Ryan: No, Obama didn’t tell America in the Rose Garden that Benghazi attack was terrorism; Update: Carney admitted it nine days later

posted at 10:41 am on October 17, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Even the debate moderator who claimed otherwise has since changed her tune, which leaves a pretty big opening for Republicans to address on Barack Obama’s response to the Benghazi attack — both in real terms and in the debate last night.  After Candy Crowley cut off Mitt Romney by erroneously claiming that Obama had declared the act terrorism — which she recanted after the debate — most other fact checkers reached the opposite conclusion.  Here’s Glenn Kessler of the Washington Post, for instance:

What did Obama say in the Rose Garden a day after the attack in Libya? ”No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this nation,”  he said.

But he did not say “terrorism”—and it took the administration days to concede that that it an “act of terrorism” that appears unrelated to initial reports of anger at a video that defamed the prophet Muhammad.

Politico’s Mike Allen also said that Obama’s reference to “terror” wasn’t related to the Benghazi attack, but a general statement:

There’s going to be a bunch of fact checks, but just to do a fact check here. … And I’m looking at the transcript of that White House event the day after and he started by referring to them as selfless acts, which is casted very differently than the sort of very planned action that we now have. Later toward the end, he makes a reference to 9/11 and he says, very generally, we will not let acts of terror go unpunished. So that’s going to be an arguable point.

Arguable point?  Four days later, the Obama administration sent Susan Rice to five Sunday talk shows to argue that the attack was a “spontaneous demonstration” that “spun out of control.”  Obama himself went on the David Letterman Show to say the same thing two days later, and then blamed the attack on the YouTube video at the UN.  He explicitly said that “the future should not belong to those who insult the prophet of Islam.”

Today, Paul Ryan proceeded to argue that “arguable point,” and claim that Obama fibbed a bit last night:

GOP vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis.) on Wednesday defended Mitt Romney’s debate attacks on Libya, repeating charges that President Obama had waited two weeks to dub the violence at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi an act of terrorism.

“It was a passing comment about acts of terror in general, it was not a claim that this was a terrorist attack,” Ryan said on ABC’s “Good Morning America. “Nobody believes that that Rose Garden speech from the president was suggesting that that [individual act] was an act of terror.” …

Ryan doubled down in three separate appearances on broadcast morning shows. He went over the timeline distributed by the Romney campaign that documents statements by the White House and the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations for two weeks following the incident, where it was called spontaneous and the violence was blamed on an anti-Islam YouTube video. The administration has since acknowledged it was a terrorist attack.

Ironically, the President’s reaction to Romney’s criticism on Libya provided Obama with his best optics of the night.  However, his false claim will likely revive this story once again in the media, which will hurt more than the optics will help, writes Stephen Hayes, and even more ironically, that will happen because it was perceived as a stumble on Romney’s part:

The second 2012 presidential debate featured a sharper Barack Obama, a series of tough exchanges, and one memorable back-and-forth on Libya. And just as Joe Biden’s answers on Libya in the vice presidential debate drove several days of news, the discussion of Libya Tuesday night will be central to the presidential contest over the next week.

There are several reasons for this: Obama’s answer on Libya was highly misleading; Romney stumbled in his response; the debate moderator fact-checked Romney during the debate but later acknowledged his broader point was correct; the administration hasn’t even begun to answer the questions at the center of the controversy; and the debate next Monday will focus on foreign policy.

Here’s the irony: Mitt Romney flubbed his response to the Libya question, and to average voters it probably seemed as though President Obama handled the exchange well. But the persistence of Libya as an issue, and the inability of the Obama administration to reconcile its early narrative with, well, reality—means that the issue is certain to help Romney and hurt Obama. And the fact that Romney’s answer was inartful virtually ensures the exchange will get more attention than it would have if the only mistake had been Obama’s.

Indeed.  I’d expect Romney to have these fact-check citations memorized for next Monday’s debate on foreign policy — and the extra attention this will receive might produce even more inconvenient truths about what State, the intelligence community, and the White House knew, and when they knew it.

Update: American Crossroads dug up an admission by Jay Carney on September 20th that the administration had not called it an act of terror up to that point, emphases mine:

Q    Can you — have you called it a terrorist attack before?  Have you said that?

MR. CARNEY:  I haven’t, but — I mean, people attacked our embassy.  It’s an act of terror by definition.

Q    Yes, I just hadn’t heard you –

MR. CARNEY:  It doesn’t have to do with what date it occurred.

Q    No, I just hadn’t heard the White House say that this was an act of terrorism or a terrorist attack.  And I just –

MR. CARNEY:  I don’t think the fact that we hadn’t is not — as our NCTC Director testified yesterday, a number of different elements appear to have been involved in the attack, including individuals connected to militant groups that are prevalent in eastern Libya, particularly in the Benghazi area.  We are looking at indications that individuals involved in the attack may have had connections to al Qaeda or al Qaeda’s affiliates, in particular al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.

That seems pretty conclusive.


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The only “President” that called the Benghazi attack an act of terrorism is the President of Libya. Period. And that is what Romney needs to say when this subject comes up again in the next debate.

moonsbreath on October 17, 2012 at 11:52 AM

I would assume that the Intel that Obama threw under his bus, would be the same Intel that coordinates any drone attack. What could go wrong?

Norky on October 17, 2012 at 11:22 AM

The same Intel that the Administration is relying on to know when Iran has advanced its nuclear capabilities to weaponization.

Mitoch55 on October 17, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Ryan: No, Obama didn’t tell America in the Rose Garden that Benghazi attack was terrorism

…if anybody hasn’t noticed…JugEars interpretation of facts…. and use of the English language is quite different than that of most people

KOOLAID2 on October 17, 2012 at 11:53 AM

“The only polls we should care about are the undecided and independent voters. ”

The Inedependents in CO thought Obama won by well over 10 pts.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:53 AM

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Whatever you say, sunshine. Frankly, your “predictions” are trash, and so are you.

wargamer6 on October 17, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Yeah, I can see a huge new wave sweeping the country, led by the MSM.
A new wave of Hope and Change.
A new feeling of confidence in Zero’s leadership, as he charged into Mitt Romney’s space on the stage and interrupted the evil Romney.
A new feeling of hope and optimism as Zero confidently laid out a new agenda — er, wait. Never mind!

TarheelBen on October 17, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Ben Franklin- Man who lives their life in hope dies farting

Conservative4ev on October 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM

The only polls we should care about are the undecided and independent voters. ”

The Inedependents in CO thought Obama won by well over 10 pts.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Exactly. You will also notice that no one is threatening violence against Obama as they are doing to Romney on twitter at this very instance. The last comment had nothing to do with the subject, but I just felt like slipping it in there.

bandutski on October 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Re: update

La. La la…. gotta defend dear leader next Mon
- bob schieffer

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM

I’ve seen this posted quite a bit over the last week, but I haven’t seen the actual numbers, not calling you out or anything, but I’d like to see the numbers, do you have a link?

ShadowsPawn on October 17, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Most of the polls show that, link to most any national poll, I’m not you keeper on all things obvious, I link to things that are unique, by suggestion is nothing new…logically, since we know that dems support dems, and Republicans support Republicans…where do you think the recent surge for Romney comes from, the K9 vote? No it was the undecided deciding.

It was pretty obvious after the first debate…as we enter the final weeks, the undecided begin to decide…and they are breaking for Romney:
Virginia
North Carolina
Florida
Etc…all moving towards Romney.

right2bright on October 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Romney is losing ground every time this brutal exchange is brought up.

gumbyandpokey

If Romney was losing ground at the rate you claim at every opportunity, he’d be down 50 by now.

Ahhh…a new rationale/theory on debates…not quite the same as what was being tossed about here after Denver.

verbaluce

Yeah, not quite. People didn’t think Obama would do a better job even though he lost the debate. Romney won the debate in Denver AND the folks thought he would do a better job. Nothing has changed….they still think he would do a better job. Nice try though.

xblade on October 17, 2012 at 11:59 AM

The Inedependents in CO thought Obama won by well over 10 pts.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:53 AM

I have looked for that link, I can’t find it, care to share it with us?

I know you never link your sources, they are to obscure, but maybe this one you can, since it is right at your fingertips…thanks.

right2bright on October 17, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Jay Carney was the first to assert that Dear Leader called the Benghazi attack an act of terror in a White House briefing. Ed Henry called him on it then. Jay’s response….check the transcript. Watch the video and make your own judgement.

d1carter on October 17, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Etc…all moving towards Romney.

right2bright on October 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM

I didn’t expect you to “be my keeper on all things obvious”, I was just wondering if you had any specific numbers I could look at.

Thanks for the clarification.

ShadowsPawn on October 17, 2012 at 12:01 PM

I don’t know if I could take all of the commercials between questions if Rush was the moderator. “Good answer, Governor and now a word from Life Lock! And did you try my Iced Tea…etc.” :-)

Deano1952 on October 17, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Well, there is that. And of course there is no guarantee that either of the candidates will get to speak during a 90-minute debate. :0

Happy Nomad on October 17, 2012 at 12:01 PM

I swear if this does not get asked of Obama, by Romney in the next debate I will go insane.

Did Obama know of the previous numerous attacks in Libya in the recent months. If so, why did he do nothing? If not, why did he now know and who is going to be held accountable?

That is one of the more important questions that I dont see get raised enough. Obama has to be asked that and Romney needs to be the one to do it on national tv.

bucsox79 on October 17, 2012 at 12:03 PM

bandutski on October 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM

So no one gets confused by my last comment. When I said “Exactly ” I was being sarcastic. Gumbyandpokey, congratulations, that is the first poll results that I have seen from undecided voters that went with Obama. Must have searched high and low for that one.

bandutski on October 17, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Has anyone heard the POTUS definitively, in public, call the attack in Benghazi a terrorist act..?

d1carter on October 17, 2012 at 12:03 PM

New Rasmussen poll of Nevada…

Obama 50%
Romney 47%

Obama up with Independents. And Obama at the magic 50% mark, as he is in New Hampshire, according to Ras.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:42 AM

From the Las Vegas Review-Journal:
Those questioned included 20 percent Hispanics, which is several points higher than the Latino turnout in the past two elections.
About 40 percent of those surveyed are Democrats, 31 percent Republicans and 27 percent independents, which roughly matches voter registration in Nevada, although nonpartisans are about one-fifth of the electorate.

surveyed Hispanics several points higher than the turnout in the last 2 elections, and D+9…really? really?

marks on October 17, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Indeed.
And I support any genuine call for such answers.

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Why don’t you finish that thought with what you really mean.

Genuine call means run out the clock before November 6th and let the outright lies of this administration go unanswered. If the rat-eared wonder gets reelected it gets swept under the rug like Operation Fast and Furious. If Obama loses, it never really gets investigated.

Sorry, I care more about the integrity of government to support your idea of “genuine calls.”

Happy Nomad on October 17, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Save your convenient sanctimony.
The Romney campaign made Benghazi a political issue – from day one.
They saw an ‘opportunity’ here. That’s all it is for them.
They are playing an angle here – it’s not that complicated.
But…it ended last night. Romney looked small trying to wield this as a political tool.

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Keep telling yourself that. The FP debate is next week too..

wargamer6 on October 17, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Rasmussen Swing State tracking Wed:

Obama 50
Romney 47

Dumbygumbyanddopey

bgibbs1000 on October 17, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Save your convenient sanctimony.
The Romney campaign made Benghazi a political issue – from day one.
They saw an ‘opportunity’ here. That’s all it is for them.
They are playing an angle here – it’s not that complicated.
But…it ended last night. Romney looked small trying to wield this as a political tool.

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM

honestly…if this was Bush, you’d think it was no big deal, no cover-up, no incompetence, just a political tool?
C’mon verbaluce..honestly?

marks on October 17, 2012 at 12:08 PM

New Rasmussen poll of Nevada…

Obama 50%
Romney 47%

Obama up with Independents. And Obama at the magic 50% mark, as he is in New Hampshire, according to Ras.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Can you just provide us your links so it will be easier to tear you apart?

itsspideyman on October 17, 2012 at 12:08 PM

La. La la…. gotta defend dear leader next Mon
- bob schieffer

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Batting clean-up for Team Obama… Bob “The Shield” Schieffer!

“I don’t have liberal leanings…” All my friends think the same as I do.

Fallon on October 17, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Save your convenient sanctimony.
The Romney campaign made Benghazi a political issue – from day one.
They saw an ‘opportunity’ here. That’s all it is for them.
They are playing an angle here – it’s not that complicated.
But…it ended last night. Romney looked small trying to wield this as a political tool.

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM

So the Obama administration lied to Americans for weeks. Going as far as to push a video on Pakistani airwaves. Have our UN ambassador lie on 5 news shows. But Romney only thinks this is troubling because it’s political? Really?

Here’s a serious question for you – what exactly has Romney and his campaign done to politicize Benghazi?

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Via newsbusters…. chaffetz scolds candy to her face

Yeah baby

cmsinaz

I wouldn’t say he scolded her. Poor guy was so afraid he’d be called a woman hater, he was almost apologizing for bringing it up. Sheesh, when are the politicians on our side going to get a backbone?

xblade on October 17, 2012 at 12:10 PM

“The Inedependents in CO thought Obama won by well over 10 pts.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:53 AM

I have looked for that link, I can’t find it, care to share it with us?

I know you never link your sources, they are to obscure, but maybe this one you can, since it is right at your fingertips…thanks.

right2bright on October 17, 2012 at 12:00 PM”

Here you go…

http://www.businessinsider.com/debate-poll-obama-romney-independents-colorado-ppp-public-policy-polling-2012-10

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:11 PM

It’s astounding that you can claim that Romney has politicized Benghazi.

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 11:42 AM

It’s astounding you can believe he hasn’t.
Just a brief re-read of how he and the campaign first worked up his initial press release and why – reveals all.
They’d been desperate to find some way to draw a contrast with Obama on FL – because they really didn’t have much of one – and still don’t.
So they JUMPED at this. You think they were so quick because they were so concerned?
I mean, come on now.

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Save your convenient sanctimony.
The Romney campaign made Benghazi a political issue – from day one.
They saw an ‘opportunity’ here. That’s all it is for them.
They are playing an angle here – it’s not that complicated.
But…it ended last night. Romney looked small trying to wield this as a political tool.

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM

So the Obama administration lied to Americans for weeks. Going as far as to push a video on Pakistani airwaves. Have our UN ambassador lie on 5 news shows. But Romney only thinks this is troubling because it’s political? Really?

Here’s a serious question for you – what exactly has Romney and his campaign done to politicize Benghazi?

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Also forgot to mention Obama himself pushed this lie at the UN himself. Our president and his administration lie to the American people and the world in an effort to cover up his incompetence and it’s completely out of bounds for a political opponent to bring this up or care about it?

What other things is Romney not allowed to talk about? Unemployment? The deficit?

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 12:12 PM

“New Rasmussen poll of Nevada…

Obama 50%
Romney 47%

Obama up with Independents. And Obama at the magic 50% mark, as he is in New Hampshire, according to Ras.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Can you just provide us your links

itsspideyman on October 17, 2012 at 12:08 PM”

Sure…

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/nevada/election_2012_nevada_president

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Can you just provide us your links so it will be easier to tear you apart?

itsspideyman on October 17, 2012 at 12:08 PM

See my posting several posts up above- I think Gumby got it from here, he must’ve conveniently overlooked the breakdown.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/obama-ahead-romney-gains-independents-in-nevada-poll-174535301.html

marks on October 17, 2012 at 12:13 PM

“See my posting several posts up above- I think Gumby got it from here, he must’ve conveniently overlooked the breakdown.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/obama-ahead-romney-gains-independents-in-nevada-poll-174535301.html

marks on October 17, 2012 at 12:13 PM”

That’s a different poll, but shows the same trend as Rasmussen. Nevada is breaking for Obama and he is winning Independents in both polls.

You can lock NV in the Obama column on election night.

Who was the guy who bet me 100.00? Get ready to pay up!

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Reality sets in for Obama:

“The way we’re going to create jobs here is not just changing our tax code, but also to double our exports. And we are on pace to double our exports, one of the commitments I made when I was president…”

right2bright on October 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM

It’s astounding you can believe he hasn’t.
Just a brief re-read of how he and the campaign first worked up his initial press release and why – reveals all.
They’d been desperate to find some way to draw a contrast with Obama on FL – because they really didn’t have much of one – and still don’t.
So they JUMPED at this. You think they were so quick because they were so concerned?
I mean, come on now.

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Provide a link for me to “re-read”.

Be specific. Are you talking about his Cairo remarks that were made BEFORE Benghazi? Remarks that the Obama administration ended up echoing? The media spent more time initially talking about Romney’s remarks than the events and the Obama administration’s response to those events. Remember the Cairo embassy statement Romney was responding to? It was troubling and fair game for any comment.

Are you saying that because Romney quickly made a comment about a troubling Cairo embassy statement disqualifies him from ever again commenting on the middle east?

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Obama will never answer the question – why?

Obama did not want to protect the people in Libya because
in his mind – he won…..

He can’t admit that Libya is as dangerous as ever.

The Islamists are having a field day at America’s expense…..

If Obama launches some kind of action in Libya before the election
- then it will show up his weakness and failures…..

redguy on October 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Barry said what at the UN????

6 times blamed the “video” and that the future should not belong to who?
“The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”

Oh the lies lies lies! And if he knew it was an act of terror..think about
what he said at the UN then and why..
Rose Gardens,UN speeches,Vegas..ummmm your going down.

bazil9 on October 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Romney comments on troubling Cairo embassy statement: Politicizing.

Obama lies for weeks to cover up his incompetence: Not Politicizing.

Sound about right verbaluce?

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 12:19 PM

“New Rasmussen poll of Nevada…

Obama 50%
Romney 47%

Obama up with Independents. And Obama at the magic 50% mark, as he is in New Hampshire, according to Ras.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:42 AM

http://youtu.be/Gubp6eiTF_k?t=1m46s

redguy on October 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:15 PM

There you go again with that “lock” word. I don’t think you know what it means.

wargamer6 on October 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM

The Islamists are having a field day at America’s expense…..

redguy on October 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Yes..and what did 0 say at the UN for them to feast on?
bazil9 on October 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM

He used this to promote/protect Islam..once again.
Connect the dots..enough to make you sick.

bazil9 on October 17, 2012 at 12:21 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Thanks, that is what I suspected, try learning to use polls that are not “left or right” leaning, you may learn something other than your talking points…but you won’t.

The left-leaning Public Policy Polling took an instant snapshot and found that Colorado voters think Obama

right2bright on October 17, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Here’s a serious question for you – what exactly has Romney and his campaign done to politicize Benghazi?

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 12:09 PM

From day one…

While Mr. Romney was on a four-hour flight from Reno, Nev., to Jacksonville, Fla., his senior staff — a mix of the policy shop, the communications team, and the strategy operation — crafted a statement on a conference call. Among those participating were Lanhee Chen, the policy director; Richard Williamson, a foreign policy adviser; and Stuart Stevens, the campaign strategist.

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:21 PM

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:11 PM

If you asked the jailed Copt whose YouTube video was blamed for unrest in the middle east who was politicizing Benghazi would he say Romney or Obama?

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Meatloaf Busted

“Crowley On September 30th: Administration Took Weeks To Admit Benghazi Might Be A Terrorist Attack…”

“@lochnar with a great catch from Candy Crowley’s interview with David Axelrod on September 30th.

Here’s the full exchange for context (video here). I’ll highlight what I think are the important parts….” – Drew at AOSHQ

http://minx.cc/?post=333937

workingclass artist on October 17, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Gumby when polls favor Romney:

POLLS DON’T MATTER LOL I LOVE OBAMA!

Gumby when polls favor Obmama:

CALL IT A LOCK LOL I LOVE OBAMA WHERE’S MY MONEY?!

Spineless troll.

wargamer6 on October 17, 2012 at 12:24 PM

You can lock NV in the Obama column on election night.

Who was the guy who bet me 100.00? Get ready to pay up!

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:15 PM

It has been the same for the past several weeks, just a 1 point shift (well within the +-), but far below what Obama had in the last election.

I don’t get the satisfaction of being less popular, substantially less popular…but whatever gets you excited.

The tracking is even with the variables…so if you think it’s a “lock” on a state that was overwhelming supporting Obama just a few months ago, good for you.

right2bright on October 17, 2012 at 12:24 PM

“Gumby when polls favor Romney:

POLLS DON’T MATTER LOL I LOVE OBAMA!

Gumby when polls favor Obmama:

CALL IT A LOCK LOL I LOVE OBAMA WHERE’S MY MONEY?!

Spineless troll.

wargamer6 on October 17, 2012 at 12:24 PM”

Romney lost the momentum, wargamer.

I’m going to really enjoy rubbing this in each and every day.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:25 PM

workingclass artist on October 17, 2012 at 12:23 PM

If you missed it last night, Eliana Johnson at the Corner caught this is Crowley and McCain:

On Libya, Crowley Changes Her Tune

On Sunday, September 30th, Candy Crowley interviewed John McCain on the Benghazi scandal. During the interview, she said:

Friday [Sept 28th], we got the administration’s sort of definitive statement that this now looks as though it was a pre-planned attack by a terrorist group, some of whom were at least sympathetic to Al-Qaeda. Why do you think, and are you bothered, that it has taken them so long to get to this conclusion?

Those remarks seem to contradict her statement tonight that the President clearly labeled the attack on the Benghazi consulate a terrorist attack in his Rose Garden statement on September 12th.

That’s two interviews! Two!

This reeks of collusion.

INC on October 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM

You can lock NV in the Obama column on election night.

Who was the guy who bet me 100.00? Get ready to pay up!

Gumby

Nevada remains a Toss-Up in the Rasmussen Reports Electoral College Projections.

From the polling site.

Reading comprehension is hard.

ShadowsPawn on October 17, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Are you saying that because Romney quickly made a comment about a troubling Cairo embassy statement disqualifies him from ever again commenting on the middle east?

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Wasn’t referencing the Cairo tweet – but that was also a failed attempt to try and stand apart from Obama.
Romney is free to talk about the Middle East and FP – but the fact is he just doesn’t differ from Obama here much at all.
Even when he tires to present how he’d be ‘tougher’ on Iran – he ends up outlining the exact same approach Obama has taken.

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:27 PM

14 days after 9/11

Zero at the UN 14 days later lying to the world.

Do tell verbaluce and all you other lying maggots!

Tangled webs unraveling before your eyes.
Your frightened for your messiah and you should be.

bazil9 on October 17, 2012 at 12:27 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:53 AM

you keep changing your opinion of what polls to use. still waiting for the lemonade stand poll

gerrym51 on October 17, 2012 at 12:28 PM

I’m going to really enjoy rubbing this in each and every day.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Once again you reveal yourself as pathetic and juvenile. Really, are you proud of this kind of behavior?

ShadowsPawn on October 17, 2012 at 12:28 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Prove it skidmark. You claimed he was DOA after that jobs report, he wasn’t.

You claimed he was DOA after Biden last week, he wasn’t.

Give it up, liar. You are not a Santorum voter, you are not a conservative. You are a spineless Obamabot, who was even called out by an even bigger left wing troll.

You fail on so many levels, gumballs, it’s not even funny. Go play in traffic.

wargamer6 on October 17, 2012 at 12:29 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:25 PM

hey greg,

are paid by the post or the word.

lol

gerrym51 on October 17, 2012 at 12:29 PM

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:21 PM

I dunno, but I would think that a killing of an Ambassador, and a cover up by the administration, during a major political campaign is fair game for politics.

If GM filed for bankruptcy tomorrow, you would say don’t mention it because it shouldn’t be made political?

I guess anything out of the ordinary can’t be made political during a political campaign??

I don’t get that excuse, “don’t make it political”…it was a political killing, international politics involved, internal politics involved (or why was Rice sent out to lie?)…

What happens to America, is political…by definition.

right2bright on October 17, 2012 at 12:30 PM

From day one…

While Mr. Romney was on a four-hour flight from Reno, Nev., to Jacksonville, Fla., his senior staff — a mix of the policy shop, the communications team, and the strategy operation — crafted a statement on a conference call. Among those participating were Lanhee Chen, the policy director; Richard Williamson, a foreign policy adviser; and Stuart Stevens, the campaign strategist.

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Oh, he consulted his campaign. Shocking. Romney was looking to highlight difference between himself and Obama. Shocking. Who exactly is allowed to comment on foreign affairs in your mind? Only the anointed media and Democrats?
Remember Romney’s “politicizing” remarks were made before we knew Americans had been killed.

Also, you’re linked article confirms that Romney’s remarks were made before Benghazi and based on troubling comments from the Cairo embassy (that Obama later echoed).

The article also makes it clear that most didn’t disagree with the substance of his remarks but it’s timing.

Are you saying that there are no legitimate concerns about the Obama administration lying to cover it’s incompetence or that because Romney made a statement at the very beginning he’s disqualified from making statements?

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 12:30 PM

“You can lock NV in the Obama column on election night.

Who was the guy who bet me 100.00? Get ready to pay up!

Gumby

Nevada remains a Toss-Up in the Rasmussen Reports Electoral College Projections.

From the polling site.

Reading comprehension is hard.

ShadowsPawn on October 17, 2012 at 12:27 PM”

Both Rasmussen and Survey USA have Obama +3 and solidly winning Independents (the key to NV). Obama wins the state.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:30 PM

That question is “Who won the debate.”
The polls respondents said Obama +7
gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:23 AM

The snap polls showed Al Bore winning the debate with W…that is until his “sighing” became the dominant issue of the post debate news cycle…

Strike Hornet on October 17, 2012 at 12:31 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Weren’t you mocking WAA last week? What changed?

wargamer6 on October 17, 2012 at 12:31 PM

“You fail on so many levels, gumballs, it’s not even funny. Go play in traffic.

wargamer6 on October 17, 2012 at 12:29 PM”

Romney blew it last night, Wargamer. He was getting close to having a chance and he threw it all way with one botched question.

And the ratings were only down around 6% from the first debate, so a lot of people saw Romney flub his most important answer of the night.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM

The smell of Liberal desperation is in the air.

Our Trolls forget that they are only a small percentage of only 21% of America’s population.

Math is hard.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM

It’s an act of terror by definition.

Hey Carney so what.

Every murder is an act of terror. Every mugging. Every rape.

But it is not a Terrorist Attack.

Act of Terror is not by any stretch the definition of Terrorist Attack.

But even if it were. You are lying as he did not call the attack an act of terror he called it several things just never that. Terrible was the most common thing he called it. But later on he called it a bump in the road. Does Bump in the road sound like a terrorist attack?

Steveangell on October 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:11 PM

If you asked the jailed Copt whose YouTube video was blamed for unrest in the middle east who was politicizing Benghazi would he say Romney or Obama?

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Not following you here.
You think Obama had the guy jailed?
That’s silly.
I am 100% against any charges at all being brought against the idiot who made the movie.
He should be allowed to jaywalk, smoke weed, speed, underpay taxes, and spit on the sidewalk. He should be fully ignored – even at the expense of him being allowed to violate parole conditions.
It took Obama too long to make a forceful defense of free speech – and his delay on that diminished his credibility on the issue when he finally did.

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:33 PM

“That question is “Who won the debate.”
The polls respondents said Obama +7
gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:23 AM

The snap polls showed Al Bore winning the debate with W…that is until his “sighing” became the dominant issue of the post debate news cycle…

Strike Hornet on October 17, 2012 at 12:31 PM”

Very true.

And what is the dominant issue of this post debate news cycle?

Romney’s gaffe on Libya.

That doomed his campaign.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:33 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Your right. That’s why Obama got his ass kicked in the internals, on things such as the economy and debt.

Once again, you fail gumby.

wargamer6 on October 17, 2012 at 12:33 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Dream on, little girl.

wargamer6 on October 17, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Wasn’t referencing the Cairo tweet – but that was also a failed attempt to try and stand apart from Obama.
Romney is free to talk about the Middle East and FP – but the fact is he just doesn’t differ from Obama here much at all.
Even when he tires to present how he’d be ‘tougher’ on Iran – he ends up outlining the exact same approach Obama has taken.

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:27 PM

I’d say that there are some important difference between Romney and Obama on foreign policy. Obama has operationally followed Bush on foreign affairs for the most part (except notably having definite withdrawal timelines from Afghanistan) but he’s also projected weakness and vulnerability to our enemies across the world (in both policy and rhetoric).

This is what Romney was speaking to and is an important distinction between the two.

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 12:34 PM

A CNN/ORC International poll published late Tuesday identified Obama has the overall winner, 46 percent to 39 percent.
But the poll also showed that Romney won on virtually every issue he’s chosen to place at the center of his campaign, from handling of the economy and tax policy, to the deficit and even health care.

Here is the crux, Romney may have lost some battles, but he won the war…and that is all you hope for in a “war”.

You can’t win every single point…the objective is to win the war, and on this Romney clearly dominated each and every major campaign issue for 2012.

right2bright on October 17, 2012 at 12:34 PM

You can lock NV in the Obama column on election night.

Who was the guy who bet me 100.00? Get ready to pay up!

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:15 PM

This is a state that Obama won by 12% in 2008 and is now a toss-up and you’re crowing about this? A 9% swing to Romney.

sentinelrules on October 17, 2012 at 12:35 PM

“gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Your right. That’s why Obama got his ass kicked in the internals, on things such as the economy and debt.

Once again, you fail gumby.

wargamer6 on October 17, 2012 at 12:33 PM”

You really have no clue how the game of politics is played, do you?

You will be learning some lessons on how important the post debate spin is.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Romney’s gaffe on Libya.

That doomed his campaign.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Heh. Candy’s helpfullness will keep Benghzi in the headlines another week. Good for her!

a capella on October 17, 2012 at 12:36 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Whatever you say, fake conservative liar.

wargamer6 on October 17, 2012 at 12:37 PM

How about that you-could-see-it-coming comment by Obama that it was “offensive” to suggest that the White House wasn’t consumed by worry over Libya.

pathetic.

No HE MUST ATTACK LIBYA before the Monday night debate to take this off the table and say “sssssssssssssseeeeeeee, I’m tough.”

PappyD61 on October 17, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Romney’s gaffe on Libya.

That doomed his campaign.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:33 PM

You mean where Candy came to the defense of Obama…but now has to eat crow, and the people get to see Obama re-telling his lies…you mean that gaffe, that will haunt Obama because Mitt did not emphatically state that our president is a liar…I think the public will come to the conclusion and the will close the gap on the “gaffe”…

HAHAHAHAHA!!!Romney won the hearts of America on every major issue…but Obama did good in the debate, he just wasn’t believed.

right2bright on October 17, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Both Rasmussen and Survey USA have Obama +3 and solidly winning Independents (the key to NV). Obama wins the state.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Have you been living on Mars?

Rasmussen has Romney up by 3.
Gallup also has Romney up by 4.

Ignore this idiot who has obviously been living on Mars since before the first debate.

Steveangell on October 17, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Romney’s gaffe on Libya.

That doomed his campaign.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:33 PM

It wasn’t a gaffe.

Obama and Candy Crowley both lied. FLOTUS led the cheering for the lies.

INC on October 17, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Not following you here.
You think Obama had the guy jailed?
That’s silly.
I am 100% against any charges at all being brought against the idiot who made the movie.
He should be allowed to jaywalk, smoke weed, speed, underpay taxes, and spit on the sidewalk. He should be fully ignored – even at the expense of him being allowed to violate parole conditions.
It took Obama too long to make a forceful defense of free speech – and his delay on that diminished his credibility on the issue when he finally did.

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:33 PM

My point was that if Obama hadn’t pushed the YouTube angle so hard the Copt would never have been arrested on a technicality of parole violation.

My point is that we have a president who lied to cover his incompetence (and someone is in prison as because of that lie) and whenever this is brought up liberals – like you – respond with “Romney politicized this!”.

Are you saying Romney made Obama and his administration lie for weeks?

Why do you bring up Romney “politicizing” this issue instead of discussing the issue?

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Spot on fallon

Agree xblade….everybody wants fair share for women but not when it comes to critiques…
no no np she cant be maligned

Sheesh

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 12:39 PM

…or as Obama so eloquently and accurately stated “…when I was president…”

He got that right, WHEN he was…

right2bright on October 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM

”No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this nation”

Yeah only in the glue-sniffing world of Hotair, saying this doesn’t mean you’re labelling the f*cking subject (the attack) you’re talking about an act of terrorism.

SNIFF

SNIFF

SNIFF

THAT DELICIOUS PARTISAN HACK GLUE

SNIFF IT UP NOW

Dave Rywall on October 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Dave Rywall on October 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Don’t cry, Dave, because you won’t be able to vote for Obama. It wouldn’t help, anyway.

Here, have a Kleenex. Now, go criticize your country’s Conservative Leader for a while.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 12:43 PM

(Obama has) also projected weakness and vulnerability to our enemies across the world (in both policy and rhetoric).

This is what Romney was speaking to and is an important distinction between the two.

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 12:34 PM

There’s just nothing to support that at all – just the false ‘apology tour’ line, etc. That’s why the Romney campaign put so much into this Benghazi angle. They needed something.
But Obama successfully sat them down on this last night.
Next debate is FP. Let’s see how Romney is able to play all this then.

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:43 PM

”No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this nation”

Yeah only in the glue-sniffing world of Hotair, saying this doesn’t mean you’re labelling the f*cking subject (the attack) you’re talking about an act of terrorism.

SNIFF

SNIFF

SNIFF

THAT DELICIOUS PARTISAN HACK GLUE

SNIFF IT UP NOW

Dave Rywall on October 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Did you read Ed’s comments? Candy Crowley – after the debate – conceded that Romney was correct. Mike Allen did too.

Did you see Ed’s update? Obama’s press secretary stated the Obama administration had not deemed it a terrorist attack. Obama was asked several times after his Rose Garden remarks if it was a terrorist attack and each time he refused to say they were.

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Crowley waited all night to help her man. Those that have followed the news closely knew right away Zero lied. I consider Politico’s fact checking this positively is the final nail in the coffin for the Chicago gang.
Enough is enough.

FireBlogger on October 17, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Romney’s gaffe on Libya.

That doomed his campaign.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Ah, I was wondering what your new delusional obsession would be after this debate. There was no gaffe, he was right, as the moderator HAD to admit after the fact. Spin that.

Would you PLEASE just admit that you are an Obama supporter? The ONLY thing you get excited about are polls that show Obama up. If Romney is up in the poll, in your view it’s an anomaly and some new fanciful obsession of yours is expected to turn it around.

Again, everyone here knows you are a liar, they know you are delusional, every one of your posts is met with skepticism and lack of any respect for you or your views.

ShadowsPawn on October 17, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Dave Rywall on October 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Dumbass Canadian alert!

wargamer6 on October 17, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Why do you bring up Romney “politicizing” this issue instead of discussing the issue?

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 12:39 PM

You mean the actual attack?
I think that’d have to happen in a different thread…at a different blog :)

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Great video from Special Operations Speaks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFrB1-cD2Zc&feature=youtu.be

onlineanalyst on October 17, 2012 at 12:45 PM

In Candy’s interview with Axelrod earlier, she took a different tack. So, which is it?

a capella on October 17, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Notice how drywall never answers why he posts on an American political site? Coward.

wargamer6 on October 17, 2012 at 12:46 PM

here’s just nothing to support that at all – just the false ‘apology tour’ line, etc. That’s why the Romney campaign put so much into this Benghazi angle. They needed something.
But Obama successfully sat them down on this last night.
Next debate is FP. Let’s see how Romney is able to play all this then.

verbaluce on October 17, 2012 at 12:43 PM

The apology tour/projecting weakness line is not false. Obama stabbed Poland in the back. Obama’s remarks to Russia that he’d have more flexibility after he was re-elected. His speeches which preach dopey multi-cultural platitudes.

You think Obama has successfully put the Benghazi issue to rest? Really? For someone who says that they care about cover-ups you show a genuine lack of interest in them.

gwelf on October 17, 2012 at 12:48 PM

onlineanalyst on October 17, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Heh. Pretty nice.

a capella on October 17, 2012 at 12:50 PM

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