Ryan: No, Obama didn’t tell America in the Rose Garden that Benghazi attack was terrorism; Update: Carney admitted it nine days later

posted at 10:41 am on October 17, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Even the debate moderator who claimed otherwise has since changed her tune, which leaves a pretty big opening for Republicans to address on Barack Obama’s response to the Benghazi attack — both in real terms and in the debate last night.  After Candy Crowley cut off Mitt Romney by erroneously claiming that Obama had declared the act terrorism — which she recanted after the debate — most other fact checkers reached the opposite conclusion.  Here’s Glenn Kessler of the Washington Post, for instance:

What did Obama say in the Rose Garden a day after the attack in Libya? ”No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this nation,”  he said.

But he did not say “terrorism”—and it took the administration days to concede that that it an “act of terrorism” that appears unrelated to initial reports of anger at a video that defamed the prophet Muhammad.

Politico’s Mike Allen also said that Obama’s reference to “terror” wasn’t related to the Benghazi attack, but a general statement:

There’s going to be a bunch of fact checks, but just to do a fact check here. … And I’m looking at the transcript of that White House event the day after and he started by referring to them as selfless acts, which is casted very differently than the sort of very planned action that we now have. Later toward the end, he makes a reference to 9/11 and he says, very generally, we will not let acts of terror go unpunished. So that’s going to be an arguable point.

Arguable point?  Four days later, the Obama administration sent Susan Rice to five Sunday talk shows to argue that the attack was a “spontaneous demonstration” that “spun out of control.”  Obama himself went on the David Letterman Show to say the same thing two days later, and then blamed the attack on the YouTube video at the UN.  He explicitly said that “the future should not belong to those who insult the prophet of Islam.”

Today, Paul Ryan proceeded to argue that “arguable point,” and claim that Obama fibbed a bit last night:

GOP vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis.) on Wednesday defended Mitt Romney’s debate attacks on Libya, repeating charges that President Obama had waited two weeks to dub the violence at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi an act of terrorism.

“It was a passing comment about acts of terror in general, it was not a claim that this was a terrorist attack,” Ryan said on ABC’s “Good Morning America. “Nobody believes that that Rose Garden speech from the president was suggesting that that [individual act] was an act of terror.” …

Ryan doubled down in three separate appearances on broadcast morning shows. He went over the timeline distributed by the Romney campaign that documents statements by the White House and the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations for two weeks following the incident, where it was called spontaneous and the violence was blamed on an anti-Islam YouTube video. The administration has since acknowledged it was a terrorist attack.

Ironically, the President’s reaction to Romney’s criticism on Libya provided Obama with his best optics of the night.  However, his false claim will likely revive this story once again in the media, which will hurt more than the optics will help, writes Stephen Hayes, and even more ironically, that will happen because it was perceived as a stumble on Romney’s part:

The second 2012 presidential debate featured a sharper Barack Obama, a series of tough exchanges, and one memorable back-and-forth on Libya. And just as Joe Biden’s answers on Libya in the vice presidential debate drove several days of news, the discussion of Libya Tuesday night will be central to the presidential contest over the next week.

There are several reasons for this: Obama’s answer on Libya was highly misleading; Romney stumbled in his response; the debate moderator fact-checked Romney during the debate but later acknowledged his broader point was correct; the administration hasn’t even begun to answer the questions at the center of the controversy; and the debate next Monday will focus on foreign policy.

Here’s the irony: Mitt Romney flubbed his response to the Libya question, and to average voters it probably seemed as though President Obama handled the exchange well. But the persistence of Libya as an issue, and the inability of the Obama administration to reconcile its early narrative with, well, reality—means that the issue is certain to help Romney and hurt Obama. And the fact that Romney’s answer was inartful virtually ensures the exchange will get more attention than it would have if the only mistake had been Obama’s.

Indeed.  I’d expect Romney to have these fact-check citations memorized for next Monday’s debate on foreign policy — and the extra attention this will receive might produce even more inconvenient truths about what State, the intelligence community, and the White House knew, and when they knew it.

Update: American Crossroads dug up an admission by Jay Carney on September 20th that the administration had not called it an act of terror up to that point, emphases mine:

Q    Can you — have you called it a terrorist attack before?  Have you said that?

MR. CARNEY:  I haven’t, but — I mean, people attacked our embassy.  It’s an act of terror by definition.

Q    Yes, I just hadn’t heard you –

MR. CARNEY:  It doesn’t have to do with what date it occurred.

Q    No, I just hadn’t heard the White House say that this was an act of terrorism or a terrorist attack.  And I just –

MR. CARNEY:  I don’t think the fact that we hadn’t is not — as our NCTC Director testified yesterday, a number of different elements appear to have been involved in the attack, including individuals connected to militant groups that are prevalent in eastern Libya, particularly in the Benghazi area.  We are looking at indications that individuals involved in the attack may have had connections to al Qaeda or al Qaeda’s affiliates, in particular al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.

That seems pretty conclusive.


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I don’t think this is the story the Obama campaign wanted to be in the news for the rest of the week.

Ellis on October 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Mitt Romney’s binder isn’t the same thing as Bill Clinton’s binder.

Chomsky Dance Recital on October 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Hillary looks better in bus treads.

I wish Thomas Sowell were involved in debate prep for Romney. There would be no remaining doubts.

Freelancer on October 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM

OBAMA BLAMED THE VIDEO FIRST! PERIOD.

In Obama’s speech from the Rose Garden, before the phrase “acts of terror” ever leaves his lips — in fact, 6 paragraphs before — HE BLAMES THE VIDEO.

SINCE OUR FOUNDING, THE UNITED STATES HAS BEEN A NATION THAT RESPECTS ALL FAITHS. WE REJECT ALL EFFORTS TO DENIGRATE THE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OF OTHERS. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.” (Paragraph 4 of 13)

[snip]

“No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.” (Paragraph 10 of 13)

The first two lines of paragraph 4 would be irrelevant if he was going to designate the attack “terrorism.”

Also, under Federal law, acts of terrorism, BY DEFINITION, are premeditated. Thus, they cannot be “spontaneous uprisings”…ever.

Here’s the full transcript:

http://www.forextv.com/forex-news-story/full-transcript-of-obama-s-rose-garden-speech-after-sept-11-benghazi-attack

Resist We Much on October 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM

CBS, NBC and ABC morning news shows all promoted Obama’s Rose Garden statement as meaning that it was a terrorist act. However, Ryan should have pushed back on the “shoot first, aim later” meme. If Obama was calling it a terrorist act then why did the Democrats come out with that accusation?

scrubjay on October 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM

It’s the VP debate all over again. Obama ran his mouth about Libya, got caught in a lie, and now this debacle will dominate the news cycle for several days. And to make matters worse, Candy Kinison interjected herself into the middle of the exchange which not only elevates the subject even more than it otherwise would’ve been, but she’s destroyed her reputation in the process.

Doughboy on October 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM

I don’t think this is the story the Obama campaign wanted to be in the news for the rest of the week.

Ellis on October 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Candy, to her dismay, has given us a gift we couldn’t buy…all of the MSM has to now dissect what is said, and twist what they may, people will see through the chatter…Obama lied.

right2bright on October 17, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Candy Crowley has done Mitt a favor.

now the timeline will be super carefully scrutinized between now and the next debate which is foreign policy.

Bob Schiefer will have to know it cold.

both Mitt and Obama will have precise answers.

gerrym51 on October 17, 2012 at 10:47 AM

fibbed a bit

Lied his ass off.

The Rogue Tomato on October 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

I wish Thomas Sowell were involved in debate prep for Romney. There would be no remaining doubts.

Freelancer on October 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Amen, one of our nation’s greatest minds…

right2bright on October 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Is this how you synonymously refer to terrorism:

“But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence.

Paragraph 4 of 13 from his Rose Garden statement….6 paragraphs before the word terror is mentioned.

Are “senseless acts of violence” just another way of describing terrorism?

He makes it sound like what happened in Benghazi was nothing more than a drive-by shooting.

Resist We Much on October 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

I don’t know. For some reason I still smell a trap being set here by the media against Romney to carry over into the next debate.

bgibbs1000 on October 17, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Obama thinks he can call the implication insulting and it’s over with. No it’s not you sorry sack. Take responsibility for once in your affirmative action lubricated lifetime.

Slade73 on October 17, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Hillary looks better in bus treads.

Freelancer on October 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Do these bus treads make me look flat?

scrubjay on October 17, 2012 at 10:50 AM

The best part about all this? The fact that assassinating a government official doesn’t fall under the recognized definition of the word terrorism. If anything, it’s an act of war.

ernesto on October 17, 2012 at 10:50 AM

The referee (CCrowley) jumped in so to speak. Mitt miss the knockout punch (hello, the View, Letterman, UN speech), but it is still looking good. There is a foreign policy debate Monday. This is really good timing for Romney’s team as it has worked out. The WH and State keep on twisting each and themselves in the wind.

mwbri on October 17, 2012 at 10:50 AM

B a c k f i r e
_————

La la la i cant hear you
-cnn and msdnc this am

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 10:51 AM

from headline thread:

With all due respect to liberals, isn’t it just like a liberal to quote some source as supporting his position, and then when you go to the source, it doesn’t say what they said it did?

By “liberals”, I’m talking Obama and Crowley. Romney was right. Obama didn’t say the Benghazi killings were terrorism or acts of terror. What he did say in the Rose Garden:

“No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter the character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.”

It’s like if you’re with your wife and say you’ll never abandon the person you love. But you don’t say if you love her or not. Anyway, Obama and Crowley were wrong. Romney was right.

Paul-Cincy on October 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Paul-Cincy on October 17, 2012 at 10:51 AM

I assume Romney knows that unless he ties this incident to a more general critique of Obama’s foreign policy and WH ethics he will miss a big opportunity and might even come off as a querulous quibbler.

Seth Halpern on October 17, 2012 at 10:51 AM

The only way Obama could score debate points last night was to tell flat out lies all night. He was an arrogant, indignant liar all night long. Also, the guy who owes his political career to undermining the Iraq war feigning outrage over Benghazi is too much for me to stomach.

OxyCon on October 17, 2012 at 10:51 AM

We Benghazi need Benghazi to Benghazi clear Benghazi this Benghazi up.

What Benghazi did Benghazi Obama Benghazi really Benghazi say Benghazi in Benghazi the Benghazi Rose Benghazi garden?

SparkPlug on October 17, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Here is my good idea:

The moderator is Bob Shieffer for the next debate on foreign policy. Preparations need to be made by Reince to educate Bob Shieffer in the facts before the debate or we will find these stupid journalists lurching into the liberal point of view and ignoring the facts.

We have a video record of the facts Shieffer knows from watching him on tv news. Other republicans can go on his shows and move him thru the material so he is not as ignorant as Candy. The journalists are the most ignorant of all!

Candy you ignorant *fill in the blank*.

Fleuries on October 17, 2012 at 10:52 AM

This issue will be what sinks Barky once and for all. He will be beaten over the head with it for 3 weeks. He lied. I wanted Mitt to ask him who directed Rice, Hill, and Jay Carney to spew the video lie all the following week, and why Barky went in front of the UN and told the same lie while apologizing for our values 2 weeks later.

Hill did a number on Dear Leader by forcing him to man up. She threw the attack and cover up in his lap and it is about to go off.

Philly on October 17, 2012 at 10:52 AM

“CBS, NBC and ABC morning news shows all promoted Obama’s Rose Garden statement as meaning that it was a terrorist act.”

And that is ALL that matters after a debate.

Trying to spin this as some sort of “trap” that’s been set for Obama in the following days and the next debate is folly.

Romney is losing ground every time this brutal exchange is brought up.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Ironically, the President’s reaction to Romney’s criticism on Libya provided Obama with his best optics of the night.

Another thing. The camera angle CNN chose for Obama’s indignation moment was perfect for Obama. It’s almost as if the entire exchange was planned, and they stage crafted that whole section.

lorien1973 on October 17, 2012 at 10:52 AM

also Benghazi

Slade73 on October 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Meh. I don’t want Paul Ryan wasting valuable network face time talking about Benghazi.

The MSM want to talk about Benghazi and Romney’s alleged flub so they don’t have to talk about Romney absolutely pwning Obama on the economy and the deficit. The post-debate focus groups and polls are devastating to Obama on the issues that voters care about and will vote on. Romney/Ryan should not play into the media’s hands. Their narrative today should be that once again Barack Obama toally failed tonpresent a vision or agenda for the next four years to give Americans any confidence that the next four will be better than the last four.

rockmom on October 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM

But mitt said “binders of women”
-msdnc

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Romney is losing ground every time this brutal exchange is brought up.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 10:52 AM

So what you are saying is that liberals are persuaded by lies from the president? That does say quite a bit, actually. ;)

lorien1973 on October 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM

You guys are really good for a laugh.

Romney is being savaged on all the morning news shows, newspapers, etc.

The reality of how this is playing out is very different from the echo-chamber in here.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Meh. I don’t want Paul Ryan wasting valuable network face time talking about Benghazi.

Take away Obama’s benghazi moment and Obama had an ineffective debate.

lorien1973 on October 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Do the nurses know that you’re on the computer at their station?

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM

reports of anger at a video that defamed the prophet Muhammad

Could someone please explain why this video “defames” the “prophet”? It is well documented that he raped, pillaged and murdered across Arabia. So a video depicting him as such is not defaming.

However, a movie (TLTOC) or a cartoon (South Park, Family Guy) that depicts Jesus as something different than in the Bible would be defaming.

Nutstuyu on October 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Obama thinks he can call the implication insulting and it’s over with.

Slade73 on October 17, 2012 at 10:49 AM

I don’t think the getting angry and offended act plays well for him. He was raising his voice, pointing his finger. I thought he was Mr. Spock?

cep on October 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM

And that is ALL that matters after a debate.

Trying to spin this as some sort of “trap” that’s been set for Obama in the following days and the next debate is folly.

Romney is losing ground every time this brutal exchange is brought up.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 10:52 AM

How is Romney losing ground? The debate ended half a day ago and he polled far better on specific issues than Obama did. And the longer the media has to discuss Libya, the worse it is for Obama. There is nothing positive regarding the Benghazi attack in terms of how this administration has handled it.

Doughboy on October 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM

liberals are persuaded by just about anything. Very weak constitutions. They are born and bred straight out of HS in the Democrat breeding ground of University. Poor stupid kids.

Slade73 on October 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM

And all the talk this morning was obama’s more aggressive style and Libya, that’s it. Those are the only things being focused on. The debate will take on a life of it’s own now, like the first one did to the benefit of Romney.

Nobody is talking about the answers on the economy or jobs.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM

There’s just too much dirt for such a small rug to cover it up, and the pile is getting deeper every time Obama opens his mouth to ‘splain it all away.

Nothing about Libya from this administration has been truthful and consistent, because they lied out of the gate and can’t correct the record with more lies and obfuscation. The issue will never go away until they admit they lied, which will blow the issue up as the proof of the coverup becomes the story.

CitizenEgg on October 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM

the extra attention this will receive might produce even more inconvenient truths about what State, the intelligence community, and the White House knew, and when they knew it.

I agree. Hillary pulled the pin on the grenade and dropped it in Obama’s lap. It would be A-OK fine if they would’ve come out and said, “Hey, we got hit again.” America would move on, but, they tried to cover it up and did it very very badly.

ted c on October 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM

You guys are really good for a laugh.

Romney is being savaged on all the morning news shows, newspapers, etc.

The reality of how this is playing out is very different from the echo-chamber in here.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Is that some kind of ghey reference? Dan, is that you?

Nutstuyu on October 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM

also Benghazi

Slade73 on October 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Ben Gazzara even.

Norky on October 17, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Nobody is talking about the answers on the economy or jobs.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Mitt is. Obama has none.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Today, Paul Ryan proceeded to argue that “arguable point,” and claim that Obama fibbed a bit last night:

Fibbed a bit? I guess when you are running for office that’s the nice way of saying the truth. Obama continues to lie his ass off. Hillary Clinton and Susan Rice should be fired for their own lies.

This is the reality. God! I can’t wait to see these people kicked to the curb and left to wallow in their own mess.

Happy Nomad on October 17, 2012 at 10:57 AM

I think the larger issue o0n Benghazi has been completely missed. Regardless of which State Department officials ignored, denied, and/or determined the security measures for the US Consulate, they were operating under the agenda set by the Administration.

Reuters makes that clear here.

Despite those warnings, and bold public displays by Islamist militants around Benghazi, embassies in the region were advised to project a sense of calm and normalcy in the run-up to the anniversary of the September 11 attacks in the United States.

That’s what presidents do- they determine the US foreign policy agenda, and it’s clear that in Syria, State was acting under the policy of “muted presence”. Clearly this was the wrong approach for this area and thus it is the President who is responsible for the failure to protect the American citizens and materiel that came under attack.

BKeyser on October 17, 2012 at 10:57 AM

I hope independents draw their own conclusions from this great example of the fact that the MSM is in the liberal camp.

Drained Brain on October 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Riiight, ‘cuz the memories of the American people are going to be wiped clean of the 14 days-plus that Obama and the administration blamed a video!

If it was an “act of terror,” why was Nakoula Basseley Nakoula arrested in the middle of the night by 10 Federal agents, perp-walked, and thrown in solitary confinement in a Federal detention centre on an alleged probation violation where he remains because the government has denied him bail?

The First Amendment protects offencive speech. It doesn’t protect your feelings. Nakoula’s film IS offencive, as well as outrageously amateurish. It is also protected speech.

Why did President Obama tell Joy Behar on The View that Mr Nakoula’s film was responsible for Benghazi?

Why did he tell Letterman the same thing?

Why did he bring up the video 6 times in his speech before the UN?

Why did Ambassador Rice tell 300+ million Americans that the video was the cause?

Why did Ms Rice and others tell the mum of Sean Smith, who was killed in the attack, that the video was the cause?

You can’t have it both ways.

Resist We Much on October 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Actually it was terrorism, and Obama alluded to it as such when he said that terrorism would not prevail against America.

The problem is that he did not define the attackers as terrorists. Even if it was just a mob momentarily excited, the attack was terrorism, but the people involved would not have fit the term terrorists. Terrorists use terror with intent. A mob would not fit that.

Since the attack was preplanned and executed with intent on causing terror, it was a terrorist attack. Romney failed to define his criticism of Obama very well in the debate, and Obama failed to inform the nation of the real threats.

Obama loses this exchange, but Romney failed to improve his gravitas with his lack luster, had to know it was coming, response! He was a SCOAMF when this subject came up. It was hard to watch him as he tried to get to the point only to spend his entire time feeling bad for the families.

Hint champ! Making Obama pay for his failure will make up for any hurt feelings for not feeling enough of their pain causes! You are not Clinton, and by the way, Clinton sucked, why try to be Clinton?

astonerii on October 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

9/12 Rose Garden – terrorism

9/16 Sunday shows – film

today – terrorism

I’m dizzy

faraway on October 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Family of Amb. Chris Stevens to hold tearful press conference attacking Romney Ryan in 5….4….3…

And…….U.S. Cruise missile attack in Libya imminent.

PappyD61 on October 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

I would like to try and date Candy Cowley. Ok my guess is 1 million BC, ungulate, roaming the serengeti.

SparkPlug on October 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

And all the talk this morning was obama’s more aggressive style and Libya, that’s it.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Yeah, the rat-eared wonder really really wants the focus to be on Libya.

Happy Nomad on October 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM

The reality of how this is playing out is very different from the echo-chamber in here.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Yeah, did you see the “reality” in the MSNBC and Luntz focus groups?

Resist We Much on October 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Romney is losing ground every time this brutal exchange is brought up.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 10:52 AM

None of the news shows were able to rebut Ryan’s statement. They all did their usual deflection of moving on to another subject.

scrubjay on October 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Romney (and the republican congress holding hearings) has Obama on record and doubling down last night that he declared it a terrorist attack the day after the event. (And Romney made sure everyone knew it was on the record).

After that the story was changed that it was a spontaneous event cause by people being upset over the video.

Since then, the have said it was a terrorist attack (again) and then said the White House didn’t know it was a terrorist attack until later trying to explain why Susan Rice would say what she did.

This will indict the whole false narrative of the administration. This will turn out to be a large thorn in the side for Obama.

Midwesterner on October 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Nobody is talking about the answers on the economy or jobs.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Voters are.

Discuss.

lorien1973 on October 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Obama will slowly lose the 2nd debate after his media crutches slip.

profitsbeard on October 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Sure, Obummer is covering up his administration’s bumbling incompetence, but the more significant fact is that our embassy in Libya was woefully unprotected, despite repeated & clear warning signs, and Americans died as a result. That is what should be repeated loudly & often.

KS Rex on October 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

You can’t have it both ways.

Resist We Much on October 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Sure he can. Just like Teh Won, he likes both the top and the bottom.

Nutstuyu on October 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

hey gumbypoke, where is all this Mitt savaging going on? I see a lot of push, draw type stories. The only ones considering this a huge Obama win are dealing with the tingles times eleventy over on MSNBC.

Slade73 on October 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

And all the talk this morning was obama’s more aggressive style and Libya, that’s it. Those are the only things being focused on. The debate will take on a life of it’s own now, like the first one did to the benefit of Romney.

Nobody is talking about the answers on the economy or jobs.

jame gumb on October 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM

And that’s a good thing for Obama? What are the voters going to base their decision in 20 days on? How aggressive Obama sounded at the 2nd debate or what kind of Presidential agenda they want for the next 4 years? BTW, that’s rhetorical because even you know the answer to that.

Doughboy on October 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

“I hope independents draw their own conclusions from this great example of the fact that the MSM is in the liberal camp.

Drained Brain on October 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM”

The independents in CO thought Obama destroyed Romney last night.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

The folks in China did, too.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Team Obama still swirling in lies. Hillary, Joe (spark plugs), Rice and Obama have stories that don’t match. The stories are all far from what came out in hearings in the House. They still are caught ducking cries for security.

seven on October 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Quote of the Day || October 17, 2012

by Keith Koffler on October 17, 2012, 9:30 am

“Mitt, really, that’s enough of your BS. Let the president speak.”

- Debate moderator Candy Crowley of CNN

A note from our attorneys: This is not a real quote

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/

Cody1991 on October 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Romney is going to win in November, people dont even care about bhegazi, the economy is the issue a majority believe Romney can fix it period. Thats the end

Conservative4ev on October 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Obama admitted he KNEW from the very beginning, at the time of the Rose Garden speech, that there was no protest and that it was an act of terror.

So, then he decided to lie for two weeks about it.

Obama KNEW the TRUTH, then creatd a lie to HIDE the truth from the American people.

That needs to penetrate into the American electorate.

petunia on October 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM

“hey gumbypoke, where is all this Mitt savaging going on? I see a lot of push, draw type stories. The only ones considering this a huge Obama win are dealing with the tingles times eleventy over on MSNBC.

Slade73 on October 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM”

On all three major networks this morning, they sided with Obama/Crowley on the Libya “terror” issue.

That day-after spin and analysis is incredibly important, and nothing positive was said about Romney.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM

With Foreign Policy being the subject of the final debate, they could have Mooch moderating and Romney should still be able to mop the floor up with the Dear Liar in Chief.

Deano1952 on October 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Resist We Much on October 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

O.K., I buy all that, but, didn’t the administration immediately designate the attacks as terrorism in order to unlock federal assets available only if terrorism is involved? Can’t Barry et al point to this as evidence he knew it was terrorism? I realize it doesn’t explain his and Rice’s later muddling around in the Youtube film aspect. Or, are we focused only on the morning after Rose Garden wording?

a capella on October 17, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Bad Candy: “sit down, Governor Romney

This is a real quote

faraway on October 17, 2012 at 11:04 AM

And all the talk this morning was obama’s more aggressive style and Libya, that’s it.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Are people talking about the vacuum in Libya that Obama’s unconstitutional actions has created, which has given al Qaeda a free and fertile ground to expand and access to 15,000-20,000 RPGs?

Are people talking about the probability that we will one day likely be dealing with a terrorist attack on the American homeland that originated in that area of Libya?

I sure hope that they also start talking about Obama’s Syrian Fast & Furious programme. Arming al Qaeda is not a good move…even if you do it through Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

Resist We Much on October 17, 2012 at 11:04 AM

You guys are really good for a laugh.

Romney is being savaged on all the morning news shows, newspapers, etc.

The reality of how this is playing out is very different from the echo-chamber in here.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM

We all said he would before the debate, where’s the problem, of course that is what the morning shows say…heck, even some said the last debate Obama won.

So let’s see what the focus groups say…let’s take the MSNBC, the most liberal die-hard supporters of Obama…oh, look a tie at best, and an actual edge to Romney.

The dems are elated, and I am glad for you, but the independents, the people without a job? They have swung to Romney, and his economic dismantling of Obama last night was spot on.

Obama won the hearts of liberals…Romney won the votes of independents…kum by ya my friend, sing away…

right2bright on October 17, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Actually it was terrorism, and Obama alluded to it as such when he said that terrorism would not prevail against America.

astonerii on October 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

The problem with your claims is the whole “it was the video” thing that is clearly a lie that the administration knew from the beginning. State watched the attack in real time and yet they sent a partisan whore out there to call it a spontaneous attack. The rat-eared wonder spoke before the UN and called it a result of the video. THESE ARE LIES! What is it that you don’t understand about the facts?

Happy Nomad on October 17, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Midwesterner on October 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Yes, that is how I see it too. Now why isn’t that being stressed?

petunia on October 17, 2012 at 11:05 AM

a capella on October 17, 2012 at 11:04 AM

The issue was the Rose Garden statement.

Resist We Much on October 17, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Jesus. Just play the View clip of Joy Behar asking him point blank if it’s terror almost 2 weeks later. End of story.

Dash on October 17, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Obama will slowly lose the 2nd debate after his media crutches slip.

profitsbeard on October 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

The bottom line…as the days past after the last debate, it got worse and worse for Obama.

right2bright on October 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM

“We don’t need no steen-kin’ facts.”

Romney 56-44.

platypus on October 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM

On all three major networks this morning, they sided with Obama/Crowley on the Libya “terror” issue.

That day-after spin and analysis is incredibly important, and nothing positive was said about Romney.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Obama/Crowley? Crowley said that Romney was “correct in the main.”

Resist We Much on October 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Romney is going to win in November, people dont even care about bhegazi, the economy is the issue a majority believe Romney can fix it period. Thats the end

Conservative4ev on October 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM

You are wrong in this respect. Will the death of an ambassador and three others matter in the election? No.

Does the clear pattern of lies perpetrated by this administration matter on November 6th? You betcha.

Happy Nomad on October 17, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Obama was either lying last night… or he lied for two weeks after and sent his legions out to lie for him.

Which is it Obama apologists?

petunia on October 17, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Two Presidential debates, two Romney wins. Third will be a charm. Romney will be the next President of these United States.

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Gallup: Obama down among every demographic from 2008

http://washingtonexaminer.com/gallup-obama-down-among-every-demographic-from-2008/article/2510904

get ready for a tsunami

Conservative4ev on October 17, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Obama’s “win” in this debate is about as dominating as saying the Yankees finally broke their scoreless streak last night.

Unfortunately, the Yankees are still down 0-3. Obama’s chances are about as good as the Yankees’.

Nutstuyu on October 17, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Romney should just go and say what he wants to say, instead of trying to do a set up.

1.Just come out and say even though the attack was known to be a terrorist act within 24 hours, it took the White House 9 days to admit to it instead of continuing to try to use the sqirrel of a video.

2.Don’t keep asking: Have you look at your pension. Just say, if you look at your pension plan, there are funds that invested in foreign companies like those in China.

Don;t try to be too cute. Debate is not a court room scene from Perry Mason.

bayview on October 17, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Hey dumboandpokeme, Did you watch the focus groups? They chose Romney,even on the lib cable networks….

sandee on October 17, 2012 at 11:09 AM

There were no protests… like they did not find WMD.

Obama is outta here!

petunia on October 17, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Jesus. Mohammed. Just play the View clip of Joy Behar asking him point blank if it’s terror almost 2 weeks later. End of story.

Dash on October 17, 2012 at 11:05 AM

You know, tolerance and all.

Nutstuyu on October 17, 2012 at 11:09 AM

oba-mao is proven once again to be an abominable liar and Crowley has proven once again she is a partisan, liberal, insignificant entity. If the GOP (read stupid) had any balls they would shake this idiot debate commission up if they keep putting out liberal quacks for “moderators”.

ultracon on October 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM

And…….U.S. Cruise missile attack in Libya imminent.

PappyD61 on October 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Pappy, th

Brat on October 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Guess what. No matter whether Obama called it an act of terrorism (he didn’t) or insisted, along with his administration, mouthpieces and state dept., that it was an obscure video (he did), these things remain indisputable:

1) He went to sleep after finding out about the murder of a U.S. ambassador.
2) He made a terse, emotionless statement about it in the Rose Garden the next day without taking questions.
3) He then FLEW TO LAS VEGAS for a fundraiser, where he told the audience it had been “a tough day for (HIM).”
4) And no extra security was provided at the embassy despite requests for it, and despite the heightened likelihood of a security breach because it was Sept. 11.

Those four things are indisputably true, and the sociopathic, America-hating punk needs to be bludgeoned over the head with these four points in attack ads for the next five days leading up to the foreign policy debate, where Mitt needs to clobber him relentlessly on these four points until the little coward cries to Bob Schieffer, “Make him stop!”

Right Mover on October 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Attention all Libyans;

return to your bunkers and bomb shelters immediately!

Do not let your goats,camels, ducks, chickens, dogs or cats loose to run the streets!

The Card Shark Shuffling, Video Playin, Drone Killer,is desperately looking for something to Bomb in the next days before Mondays debate to prove he is tough on You-Tube video maker protesters!

ConcealedKerry on October 17, 2012 at 11:11 AM

hey gumbypoke, where is all this Mitt savaging going on? I see a lot of push, draw type stories. The only ones considering this a huge Obama win are dealing with the tingles times eleventy over on MSNBC.

Slade73 on October 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

The LSM is in Mark Twain’s dilemma — they forgot what lie they told to whom. If Obama did say it was an act of terrorism then all the blame on the video doesn’t make sense. If it was the video then Obama supposedly calling it an act of terrorism doesn’t make sense.

scrubjay on October 17, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Pappy the drones are queued up

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/US-Libya-drone-strikes/2012/10/15/id/460047

Sorry for the earlier premature submission.

Brat on October 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Obama admitted he KNEW from the very beginning, at the time of the Rose Garden speech, that there was no protest and that it was an act of terror.

This is the truth. He is caught in a deceptive web because now he will not be saved from references to Susan Rice on 9/16 political shows, the View, Letterman, the UN speech, etc. Obama set the trap for himself.

I said it on other threads: they wanted the film meme to be true in the worst way. Sure it was coverup for their failures, but what policy(s) did the WH want to make official by blaming the film?

mwbri on October 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM

And lest anyone forget, Obama spent $70K of taxpayer money on a commercial buy in Pakistan apologizing for the video.

Carnac on October 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM

On all three major networks this morning, they sided with Obama/Crowley on the Libya “terror” issue.

That day-after spin and analysis is incredibly important, and nothing positive was said about Romney.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Keep hope alive. I suppose if I were in your shoes, I’d be grasping at straws as well in an effort to keep my hopes up that Obama might pull this out.

Monkeytoe on October 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM

This is still a pretty touchy subject, because it can be labeled as making political points on the deaths of four people. While we all know it has everything to do with competence, a distraught parent or spouse could bring this back to an Obama plus. I hope between now and the next debate we get a lot of new information against Obama and his administrations handling of this.

Cindy Munford on October 17, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Does the clear pattern of lies perpetrated by this administration matter on November 6th? You betcha.

Happy Nomad on October 17, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Yep. Fast and Furious is still lurking, the “more flexibility after the election” hot mike whispers to the Commie, the hot mike attack on Bibi during the Sarcozy conversation, Corzine ridin’ dirty as a bundler, attempting to take credit for increased natural gas production on private lands, “shovel ready jobs,..etc.

a capella on October 17, 2012 at 11:13 AM

“The dems are elated, and I am glad for you, but the independents, the people without a job? They have swung to Romney, and his economic dismantling of Obama last night was spot on.”

The independents in the poll of CO had the strongest pro-Obama reactions out of the whole sample.

And whoever the polls show won the debate will only grow in strength as the days go on, as happened to Romney after the first debate.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 11:13 AM

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