Er, no, Obama didn’t win the debate last night

posted at 8:41 pm on October 17, 2012 by J.E. Dyer

We’ve reached a watershed here, where we either live in our own heads affirming reality, regardless of spurious inputs from demagoguery or sentiment, or we give up on reality and let demagoguery and sentiment take over at the decision table.  Did the president pull off a performance last night, in terms of sounding passionate and full of conviction?  To some extent, yes.  Does that mean he won the debate, or even achieved a draw with Romney?  No.

The mainstream media immediately launched a volley of positive soundbites about the president’s performance, but frankly, they were going to do that anyway.  As long as Obama didn’t collapse on the stage, they were going to say he had his mojo back.

The problem is that in order to sound passionate and full of conviction, Obama had to belt out a remarkable string of untruths.  Besides repeating the same tired lies about Romney’s policies that his campaign has been flogging for the last two months, the president simply lied – there’s nothing else to call it – about the trend of drilling permits under his administration (Romney is right; permits have been slashed).

Obama insisted to Romney that he had called the Benghazi attack terrorism on day one, when in fact, he had not.  He lied about the Arizona immigration-enforcement law, repeating a lie the Democrats have persisted in since the law was being debated in the Arizona statehouse.  The law is carefully and explicitly written to prohibit ethnic profiling stops by law-enforcement officers.  Immigration-status checks can only be done in connection with a stop on another, unrelated basis, such as a traffic stop.

Obama did try to assume the moral high ground on Libya with a riff on Americans’ safety and his responsibility, but it was a cringe-worthy performance from the man who waited until after the Benghazi attack to bring diplomatic-mission security up to a normal standard, and who professes, 36 days after the attack, to still be waiting to find out what happened.  If he really doesn’t know, he’s the only one who doesn’t.  His position that we’re still waiting to assess the attack isn’t judicious; it’s absurd.  Mentally substitute George W. Bush for Obama in this scenario, and try to imagine the MSM giving Bush the benefit of the doubt for 36 days and counting.

I had my concerns about Romney’s performance last night, if only a couple.  Probably the biggest was that he tended to put his most powerful material at the end of each statement, and got cut off just as he was articulating it.  The response to the woman who asked about keeping jobs in the US was a case in point: Romney made a rather convoluted case about China as a currency manipulator, and only after dealing with that arcane topic mentioned that if we want to keep America job-friendly, we have to stop regulating ourselves into an economic coma.  He got cut off saying it; that should have been his opening point.  The American people can do something about that.  And whether or not the point about regulation resonated with that particular questioner, it would resonate far and wide among other Americans.

Romney is typically succinct and direct on the economy, and he should apply that style to everything he says in a debate.  He would have made the point about Obama’s own passive investment in China much better by simply stating it outright, rather than repeating the same question to the president – “Have you looked at your pension lately?” – until it began sounding like a second-grader’s taunt.  Just make the assertion, already.  “Mr. President, your pension is invested in China.”  That simple – and, without the weird build-up, slyly devastating.

But rhetorical glitches aside, Romney had substance last night.  He whaled it out of the park on energy and immigration, and came off as genial and presidential.  Interestingly, the Frank Luntz panel saw the same thing.  The MSM’s assessment this morning that the president staged a comeback in this debate is information about the MSM, not about the candidates or the debate.  It’s like they’re narrating some invisible drama that no one else can see.

I don’t think Romney dominated last night’s debate as he did the first one.  But neither did I see the debate as a draw.  Only if it counts as successful communication to use demagoguery to create itch-scratching images for your own base did Obama’s performance equal Romney’s.  Obama’s statements would have had little appeal outside his own base.  And indeed, so many of them were simply false that, to my mind, it requires assuming that your fellow Americans are fools, to think that his communications were probably more effective with them than they were with you.

The constituency for the real Obama is a minority in America, no bigger than the minority that votes for Democrats in every election cycle, and perhaps not that big.  Much of Obama’s 2008 support has peeled away, precisely because there’s no consistency between his actions, his rhetoric, and blunt reality.  Romney came off last night as he did in the first debate:  as someone with experience who does operate on the basis of reality.  For my part, I think the world in which Obama’s oratorical flourishes carried the day exists only inside the heads of MSM pundits.  Reality is giving the rest of us a big-time check.

J.E. Dyer’s articles have appeared at The Green Room, Commentary’s “contentions,Patheos, The Weekly Standard online, and her own blog, The Optimistic Conservative.

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Nice try last night Obama but your ghetto is starting to show through your affirmative action education. Hint: Free birth control is not high on the list of womens priorities.

sonnyspats1 on October 17, 2012 at 9:32 PM

The problem is that in order to sound passionate and full of conviction, Obama had to belt out a remarkable string of untruths. Besides repeating the same tired lies about Romney’s policies that his campaign has been flogging for the last two months, the president simply lied
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Me thinks,Hopey set a new record,and going over the Open Thread pages,it appears,Hopey lied around the 9:05 mark,and it got progressively worse,as the debate went on!!

canopfor on October 17, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Bbbbbutttt Yahoo news told me Obama won….it was in the headlines.

redridinghood on October 17, 2012 at 9:33 PM

cozmo on October 17, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Women are particularly good with navel maneuvers.

SparkPlug on October 17, 2012 at 9:34 PM

“I just read a poll that our resident troll won’t like.

PPP WASHINGTON: 50-45 Obama

If Washington is that close, it’s no wonder O is giving up on VA, NC, and FL.

RepublicanInMA on October 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM”

Rasmussen has Obama +10 in WA.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Crowley did her best to help him win.

She had Obama give the last word to almost every topic, & the last final statement.

She gave Obama more minutes.

She interrupted Obama far less than Romney.

itsnotaboutme on October 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

She also brought with her what was obviously a prepared rebuttal in an effort to neutralize the Libya debacle. Truly a remarkable first in media shamelessness.

stout77 on October 17, 2012 at 9:34 PM

This is an excellent point, and J.E. Dyer should be teleported directly to Romney H.Q. to reiterate it again and again. It has been a weakness of Romney’s speaking style throughout the campaign, and apparently it has not been beaten out of him with a rubber hose yet.

When time is limited and you are likely to be cut off either by an hostile moderator, your opponent, or a news editor (but perhaps I repeat myself) organize your thoughts like a newspaper story, not a friggin’ Hegelian Dialectic.

HTL on October 17, 2012 at 9:23 PM

I hope his campaign drills into him every little piece of Fast and Furious and Benghazi they can. As well as financial aid to Egypt, Libya and Pakistan that sustains Al Qaeda. Oh, and that promise boy king made to Putin to put USA in more harmful position. And how ME oil industry is now trying to influence some idiots here with Matt Damon’s movie money infusion.

riddick on October 17, 2012 at 9:34 PM

What will we be talking about 3 weeks from tonight?

JPeterman on October 17, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Hopefully a brighter future

Rio Linda Refugee on October 17, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Rasmussen has Obama +10 in WA.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Nice random number generator you got there…

riddick on October 17, 2012 at 9:35 PM

I missed a Bishop by one but I got a Scrumpy.

That the last person on a page.

SparkPlug on October 17, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Twitter is erupting with hate tweets directed at Romney. In order to understand their hatred you have to understand why the liberals are so angry: Their candidate, the smartest man on the planet, probably worked as hard has he ever has to prepare for the debate and he just did OK. I think the anger is misdirected; it’s more like buyers’ remorse.

suburbanite on October 17, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Candy Crowley graduates from the Joesph Goebbels school of Journalism.

SWalker on October 17, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Isn’t she a professor emeritus by now?

riddick on October 17, 2012 at 9:36 PM

J.E. Dyer is a good guy..

You can post here….

Really…

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM
J.E. Dyer is a woman.

Bitter Clinger on October 17, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Even worse she’s a squid.

RickB on October 17, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Best article I’ve read in weeks.

Romney must stop the questioning of Obama. Tactical mistake. All it provokes are Obama lies, filibuster, or demagoguery.

Indict Obama, his policies, and record. Do not engage Obama. His record does not warrant any conversation or respect.

matthew8787 on October 17, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Twitter is erupting with hate tweets directed at Romney. In order to understand their hatred you have to understand why the liberals are so angry: Their candidate, the smartest man on the planet, probably worked as hard has he ever has to prepare for the debate and he just did OK. I think the anger is misdirected; it’s more like buyers’ remorse.

suburbanite on October 17, 2012 at 9:36 PM

No. It means his azz was handed to him. Again.

He’s got nothing to run on. He made just one factual statement last night, that some American jobs are not ever coming back. His financial adviser from GE made sure of that. Too bad Romney failed to point it out.

riddick on October 17, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Well all the signs of Libby meltdown are starting to manifest themselves.

First it’s the spittle that flies out of their mouths. Then the convulsions as they spaz out and swallow their tongues and turn purple, the same shade as Barry’s lips.

SparkPlug on October 17, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Even worse she’s a squid.

RickB on October 17, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Play nice.

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Reading this and some other columns I had a thought that I don’t really think Obama can win this thing anymore. The votes he needs outside his base come from people who either trusted him in 2008, wanted to be part of history in 2008, etc. That just isn’t possible anymore. Who can trust him? What is his “Change”?

With nothing cool or hip to get your vote and no record of success to attract you where does he get votes outside his base? Does an undecided voter want to become part of the controversy that his re-election after failure represents? Hell, no.

The crowd last night was all Obama 2008 voters. The crowd applauded when Crowley corrected Romney. That proves these “undecided” are really people who still want to believe in Obama and it went too far for them when he was on the verge of being labeled a liar. That would be a reflection on their choice and so they applauded but they aren’t going to fight for him or they would not be “undecided”. I think they came to that debate to give Obama ONE LAST CHANCE to rise up and renew his pledge to them to make CHANGE and he didn’t so it.

If Obama wins this election he will have to do with his base and I can’t see them getting to 50% in any Bush 2004 or Bush 2000 state

Conan on October 17, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Thank You for this article,J.E.Dyer! It get’s a little silly, listening to Conservatives, who should know better, flipping out, when, exactly what was expected, happens. Seriously folks, Americans who are actually, undecided, are not total idiots. Those who find it hard to believe such calumnies, are never going to buy such blatant falsehoods to vote again for the same misery and childish attempts by a biased media to spin a win, where none exists. Those who will vote for Obama, have already decided so or wont vote at all. Mitt, as the challenger usually does, will still gain voters til the last moment. It now is a question of getting enough voters to the polls to compensate for the Hoard of Democrat, Deceased and Multiple Voters!
Update on:How to take on the Obama Enemy media & Win: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on October 17, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Didn’t even see the debate (bezbol, of course) but wasn’t the snap C-BS survey O 39 R 30 Undecided 30?

Del Dolemonte on October 17, 2012 at 9:41 PM

The Luntz focus group is back. Will they get bleeped tonight?

Philly on October 17, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Here I brought this over from another thread, to save J.E. some typing. ; )

Yes, I’m in the XX contingent. I don’t consider it snark to be mistaken for an XY in print. More of a don’t worry, be happy thing. XYs are some of my favorite people.

J.E. Dyer on October 16, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 9:42 PM

riddick on October 17, 2012 at 9:35 PM

O’bamna won WA by 17 in ’08.

Del Dolemonte on October 17, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Candy Crowley graduates from the Joesph Goebbels school of Journalism.

SWalker on October 17, 2012 at 9:32 PM

I like you and enjoy your writing, but how many times are you going to spam us in one day?

stvnscott on October 17, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Romney must stop the questioning of Obama. Tactical mistake. All it provokes are Obama lies, filibuster, or demagoguery.

matthew8787 on October 17, 2012 at 9:39 PM

It’s painful to watch because Obama responds in such a snide and condescending manner. However, that’s probably precisely the reason Romney keeps doing it–so undecideds and female voters can get a good look at what’s behind the mask.

Kataklysmic on October 17, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Del Dolemonte on October 17, 2012 at 9:41 PM

37-30-33

predator on October 17, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Didn’t even see the debate (bezbol, of course) but wasn’t the snap C-BS survey O 39 R 30 Undecided 30?

Del Dolemonte on October 17, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Yup. obama’s back. Get used to saying president obama for four more years.

Maybe you’ll have better luck in ’16, but I doubt it.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 9:49 PM

“I just read a poll that our resident troll won’t like.

PPP WASHINGTON: 50-45 Obama

If Washington is that close, it’s no wonder O is giving up on VA, NC, and FL.

RepublicanInMA on October 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM”

Rasmussen has Obama +10 in WA.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 9:34 PM

And what should we take away from this? I’ll help, polls are not always accurate. You trot out the ones you like and crap on the ones that you don’t like. You have absolutely no objectivity.

ShadowsPawn on October 17, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Twitter is erupting with hate tweets directed at Romney.

suburbanite on October 17, 2012 at 9:36 PM

The media can fluff him all they want; the above says all that need be said about what his *base* thinks about his ‘performance’ last night.

Midas on October 17, 2012 at 9:52 PM

37-30-33
predator on October 17, 2012 at 9:48 PM

With a 4% MOE. A statistical dead heat.

smellthecoffee on October 17, 2012 at 9:52 PM

bazil9 on October 17, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Hi B9. Won’t be long now before Barry is crowned King of Carterville. Thats the place where we get to lock him in a Medieval stockade and let Grace throw rotten veggies at him. All proceeds go to supply her with more veggies.

I’ll be the egg man and BMore can throw Cowley pies.

SparkPlug on October 17, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Oh..so she now has your blessing to come out of rehab
with a mission. ? :)
Rotten veggies are soft..I want near unripe and hard.
Not enough..but I would prefer no ban tonight.
She dont need a vege..she is near black belt.
My talent I will not share. Security reasons.

bazil9 on October 17, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Hey Ed/AP/et al – can we get an ‘ignore’ option, please? There are a few people I’d simply rather not see comments from anymore. Not asking that they be banned, I just wouldn’t mind if their posts didn’t show up in my window anymore. :)

Midas on October 17, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Poor babies. You put up your best people and all you could come up with was Romney.

Guess you’re gonna have to figure out another way to stop obama from finally making the rich pay their fair share. Maybe *chuckle* Boehner will do something this go around.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Lol! Try again troll.

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Del Dolemonte on October 17, 2012 at 9:41 PM

37-30-33

predator on October 17, 2012 at 9:48 PM

In other words it was a 3 way draw.

As I said I didn’t watch it in real time because of the B-Ball, but will watch the archived version when I get a chance.

Speaking of Baseball, 1 rain out and 1 rain delay. All Bush’s Fault.

Del Dolemonte on October 17, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Lol! Try again troll.

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 9:58 PM

:D

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Lol! Try again troll.

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Lanceman is trying out some new lures here at Hot Air Cove.

;)

predator on October 17, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Ah, well. Better luck tomorrow. Perhaps I will try the headlines. Rio Linda has good luck there.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Poor babies. You put up your best people and all you could come up with was Romney.

Guess you’re gonna have to figure out another way to stop obama from finally making the rich pay their fair share. Maybe *chuckle* Boehner will do something this go around.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Yeah no kidding. “It’s Romney’s turn” blah blah blah, “Romney has the best chance to win” blah blah blah…dude can’t even beat Obama in a debate. Lawls.

fossten on October 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM

It’s painful to watch because Obama responds in such a snide and condescending manner. However, that’s probably precisely the reason Romney keeps doing it–so undecideds and female voters can get a good look at what’s behind the mask.
Kataklysmic on October 17, 2012 at 9:47 PM

That’s a good observation. Watching Obama the pi$$ed off and desperate attacker is miles away from the 2008 Obama that people swooned over. Those were all Obama 2008 voters last night. Some even said so. Did you sense any swooning? People are not looking at that and seeing a program of attraction like 2008. Add in the record and I think his slide is going forward and most of it in the form of turnout we won’t see till Nov 6th.

Conan on October 17, 2012 at 10:05 PM

You all keep going on gutmeandpoke me.

He’s NOT a ‘rat. He may be an ABR, but I doubt even that. He’s NOT voting for obama.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Ah, well. Better luck tomorrow. Perhaps I will try the headlines. Rio Linda has good luck there.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM

I have found that the more ignorant lib plants are craving like minds in the morning threads. Its like clubbing baby seals if you can get in amongst them.

The night folks know you too well.

cozmo on October 17, 2012 at 10:05 PM

I missed a Bishop by one but I got a Scrumpy.

That the last person on a page.

SparkPlug on October 17, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Where is the real Bishop? Stand up…

bettycooper on October 17, 2012 at 10:07 PM

J.E. Dyer is a good guy..You can post here….Really…
Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM

J.E. Dyer is a woman.Bitter Clinger on October 17, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Even worse she’s a squid.RickB on October 17, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Even better, she’s an Okie — once an Okie, Okie for life. ;-)

AH_C on October 17, 2012 at 10:07 PM

BTW ……..
There is still plenty of unused ammo on Super Mitt’s Foreign Policy debate table.

To wit:

President Obama, just what were you promising with your Flexible Medvedev secret deal ? Is this how a President conducts himself? Is this what you meant by no pre- conditions ?
Have you made any other secret promises to any other communist countries?

President Obama told the UN that a despicable homemade You Tube video was to blame for Middle East violence and does not represent America’s views toward Islam……but yet HE worked EXCLUSIVELY with SONY and that liberal creep, Weinstein to produce a professional Hollywood full length feature movie exploiting the Assassination of Osama Been Laden and the Seal Team 6 raid—- FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES- and doesn’t think THAT MOVIE would not incite mooslums? Hello, McFly ? And gave away confidential Seal Team spec ops protocol in the process? What type of Commander in Chief would RISK THE FUTURE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE BRAVE MEN & WOMEN WHO RISK THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY?
Didnt you learn from the Valerie Plame horror?

And by the way, why are you giving away classified military intelligence to the media anyway?

Game, set, match.

FlaMurph on October 17, 2012 at 10:07 PM

The night folks know you too well.

cozmo on October 17, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Yeah, well, I gotta work.

Someone’s gotta pay the taxes you ‘cons won’t.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 10:07 PM

You all keep going on gutmeandpoke me.

He’s NOT a ‘rat. He may be an ABR, but I doubt even that. He’s NOT voting for obama.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 10:05 PM

So he’s voting the Barr/Sheehan ticket.

RickB on October 17, 2012 at 10:08 PM

So he’s voting the Barr/Sheehan ticket.

RickB on October 17, 2012 at 10:08 PM

No, he’ll be voting Rethuglican like the rest of us.

Trust me.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Even better, she’s an Okie — once an Okie, Okie for life. ;-)

AH_C on October 17, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Ain’t that the truth. Sooner born, sooner bred….

bettycooper on October 17, 2012 at 10:10 PM

suburbanite @ 9:36 PM

All those twitter assassins are blowhard cowards. They’re not going to do anything. Except maybe bust up the apartment, and get their asses kicked by their grandmoms. Momma’s boys p***ies, every one of them.

teacherman on October 17, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Someone’s gotta pay the taxes you ‘cons won’t.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Gallup has Romney by 6 and you are going to fry at the Foriegn policy debate over Benghazi Lanceman. Yuck it up clown the Obama era isn’t just going to end like Carter it is going to end Nixon style because your boy can’t resist lying about Libya. 70 million people are going to watch him try and lie with documented facts that he is lying through 90 minutes and their will be nothing left to vote for after that.

Conan on October 17, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Sooner born, sooner bred….

bettycooper on October 17, 2012 at 10:10 PM

And sooner to get the heck out of there.

cozmo on October 17, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Guess you’re gonna have to figure out another way to stop obama from finally making the rich pay their fair share. Maybe *chuckle* Boehner will do something this go around.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Are you this much of an idiot? Or do you just play one on the internet?

chewydog on October 17, 2012 at 10:13 PM

See there Mr. electrician. You just have to let the bait dangle a little bit.

cozmo on October 17, 2012 at 10:14 PM

And sooner to get the heck out of there.

cozmo on October 17, 2012 at 10:12 PM

LOL. At least it is a conservative echo chamber. Not much else.

bettycooper on October 17, 2012 at 10:16 PM

See there Mr. electrician. You just have to let the bait dangle a little bit.

cozmo on October 17, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Lol! Maybe there is hope for us non trolls trolling after all. See what he does with it. Thats the true test. ; )

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 10:18 PM

See there Mr. electrician. You just have to let the bait dangle a little bit.

cozmo on October 17, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Heh!

HEH!

Dammit, Gumby, this IS fun!

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 10:22 PM

LOL. At least it is a conservative echo chamber. Not much else.bettycooper on October 17, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Yup , so red, voting is almost useless. That’s why i moved to a purple state so i can make it redder. ;) Actually work as a defense contractor made me move to Iowa. But I’ll be back eventually.

AH_C on October 17, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Even better, she’s an Okie — once an Okie, Okie for life. ;-)

AH_C on October 17, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Ain’t that the truth. Sooner born, sooner bred….

bettycooper on October 17, 2012 at 10:10 PM

And when I die I’ll be a Sooner dead. Roll Oklahoma. How about that Red River Shootout on Saturday, huh?

Even worse she’s a squid.

RickB on October 17, 2012 at 9:38 PM

And she goes by Commander Squid, good sir.

J.E. Dyer on October 17, 2012 at 10:23 PM

On what planet is Romney not more likeable and more handsome than obama?

What IS this ‘obama’s likeability’ bullsh!t? I despised that bastard from day one.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 10:24 PM

How about that Red River Shootout on Saturday, huh?

J.E. Dyer on October 17, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Well, y’all need something to be happy about.

cozmo on October 17, 2012 at 10:25 PM

And when I die I’ll be a Sooner dead.

Roll Oklahoma

How about that Red River Shootout on Saturday, huh?

J.E. Dyer on October 17, 2012 at 10:23 PM

I thought it was Rocklahoma.

bettycooper on October 17, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Well, y’all need something to be happy about.

cozmo on October 17, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Other than being from God’s Country and having the blessings of right thinking and clean living?

J.E. Dyer on October 17, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Thinkin’ about running over to Daytona on Friday.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 10:31 PM

J.E. Dyer on October 17, 2012 at 10:29 PM

J.E., hope you didn’t mind me bringing over that quote from the other thread. ; )

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Poor babies. You put up your best people and all you could come up with was Romney.

Guess you’re gonna have to figure out another way to stop obama from finally making the rich pay their fair share. Maybe *chuckle* Boehner will do something this go around.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Love the projection, Lance. Your party is being led by the most unqualified president in history directly into the wilderness. No small feat considering the goodwill and veto-proof majority with which the fairy tale began. Not to worry, though. Americans have remarkably short memories so the economically illiterate “fair share” crowd will get another crack at it in another 30 years or so.

stout77 on October 17, 2012 at 10:34 PM

I thought it was Rocklahoma.

bettycooper on October 17, 2012 at 10:28 PM

RO-klahoma! RO-klahoma! RO-klahoma! O-K-U!

I have it on the excellent authority of Mom, who attended OU in the late 1950s, that “RO-klahoma!” is an elision of “Roll Oklahoma!”

I have learned that the older people are always right about these things. For example, today’s kids who insist that the name of the clothing store is “Gap” are simply unaware that when my generation was shopping at the original chain, it was called “The Gap.” The jingle went “Fall into The Gap!” I still have a late 1970s jean jacket with the old label proclaiming “The Gap.” Bought it with my own money. It was my pride and joy, along with a suede fringe shoulder bag and a pair of patchwork suede platform shoes.

Incidentally, there was a series of big multi-band rock events dubbed “Rocklahoma” in the late ’70s and early ’80s.

J.E. Dyer on October 17, 2012 at 10:37 PM

J.E., hope you didn’t mind me bringing over that quote from the other thread. ; )

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Not at all. Excellent time-saver.

J.E. Dyer on October 17, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Bishop would be proud of you mister electrician.

I certainly am. Some of the handles are recognizable enough that they should know better.

J.E. Dyer on October 17, 2012 at 10:29 PM

And yet it is still Oklahoma.

cozmo on October 17, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 9:55 PM

You know, you’re pretty good at that stuff.

Is there something we should know about you?

Something you’d like to share?

And are you going to keep this up al-l-l-l-l the way through your transgender reconstruction?

:-)

Solaratov on October 17, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Someone’s gotta pay the taxes you ‘cons won’t.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 10:07 PM

It’s not that we won’t.

It’s that we’re smart enough and rich enough to afford the best accountants that money can buy, to ensure that we pay less taxes than you peasants.

Now, work hard and earn lots of money – and pay lots of taxes. Good ol’ moochelle’s gonna need a vacay and a half after the 6th of November….and first-class don’t come cheap.

Solaratov on October 17, 2012 at 11:44 PM

The reason Romney got Obama to admit all these untruths was that he is planning on hitting him with them Monday night in the final debate. Classic rope-a-dope. Pass the popcorn cause its going to get interesting.

neyney on October 18, 2012 at 12:11 AM

How the mighty have fallen.
Remember well, the ‘bigger than life’ audio treatment of soaring rhetoric, too.

Wear it 0, actually less than 0.
That’ll make me happy, zero amounts of 0.
And the … you rode in on.

And, true to his own words, I don’t ever want to go back
to the same failed policies of the last 4 years — that
got us into this mess in the first place.

Is that the quote, Preezy?

Don’t forget to vote downticket, too, folks.
Ted Cruz is a perfect example.
I love this country with my whole heart, mind and soul.
I’m lucky in that regard. I always have.

mickytx on October 18, 2012 at 12:27 AM

Best analysis of that debate that I have read. The MSM declaration that Obama won last night should have been met with guffaws and hysterical laughter. Romney had a few problems but he has substance, experience and real accomplishments. Obama is just an empty suit. The One has become Erkle at best, whining to Crowley to help him. It will be a pleasure to vote this lying gas bag out of office. That being said the Dems and their MSM apparatchiks will get nastier and dangerous. Be ready.

Charm on October 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM

Remember, Jerry Candy, it’s not a lie if you believe it’s true.” -Barack Costanza Obama.

profitsbeard on October 18, 2012 at 1:14 AM

It’s like they’re narrating some invisible drama that no one else can see.

lol Nailed it.

cicerone on October 18, 2012 at 1:57 AM

She also brought with her what was obviously a prepared rebuttal in an effort to neutralize the Libya debacle. Truly a remarkable first in media shamelessness.

stout77 on October 17, 2012 at 9:34 PM

…and just HOW did Obama know that Crowley had a copy of the transcript right in front of her to read? “Read the transcript.” – BHO

Kevin71 on October 18, 2012 at 4:09 AM

The MSM’s assessment this morning that the president staged a comeback in this debate is information about the MSM, not about the candidates or the debate. It’s like they’re narrating some invisible drama that no one else can see.

I said this yesterday. In fact Crowley really hurt Zero with her antics.

Now, will Romney go to the next sandbagging?

dogsoldier on October 18, 2012 at 5:52 AM

I thought the one line that Romney said that might resonate with those on the fence was, “We don’t have to live like this.” The path Obama has put us on, the so-called “post-American era” isn’t inevitable. Obama wants to lull us into the comfortable European post-war decline that we’re witnessing the collapse of.
On the deficit and debt, why doesn’t Romney, or anyone for that matter, call Obama on his assertion of “two wars put on a credit card” that magically transform into “peace dividends” that can now be squandered on more stimulus spending? If those were the drivers of the “unpatriotic” Bush deficit, responsible logic would dictate that the spending would end with the wars, not be routed to social programs and continue to add to the debt.

tpitman on October 18, 2012 at 5:54 AM

Poor babies. You put up your best people and all you could come up with was Romney.

Guess you’re gonna have to figure out another way to stop obama from finally making the rich pay their fair share. Maybe *chuckle* Boehner will do something this go around.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Delusional. Even if taxes are increased on the rich (yeah, a family making $250k a year are wealthy beyond imagination), it won’t raise enough revenue to make a dent in the deficit, let alone the debt. Obama has no plan to accomplish anything – much like the last 4 years – except his childish “make the rich pay more” antics.

the fact that liberals still support Obama shows how deranged and ignorant you are. It’s like there is a 2 year old in charge of America and you like it for some odd reason. The guy is ignorant, arrogant, corrupt, naive, incompetent and hyper-partisan. History will surely rank him as one of the 10 worst presidents of all time.

Monkeytoe on October 18, 2012 at 7:44 AM

Guess you’re gonna have to figure out another way to stop obama from finally making the rich pay their fair share. Maybe *chuckle* Boehner will do something this go around.

Lanceman on October 17, 2012 at 9:55 PM

They could tax the rich at 100% and you know it would fix NOTHING. In fact the folks you stupidly define as rich create jobs, except that that “fair tax” will cause them to flee somewhere else and take their jobs with them.

Are you really an idiot, or do you just play one on the internet?

dogsoldier on October 18, 2012 at 8:22 AM

Monkeytoe on October 18, 2012 at 7:44 AM

dogsoldier on October 18, 2012 at 8:22 AM

Now I am more than a little disappointed.

The two of you should have known better.

cozmo on October 18, 2012 at 9:57 AM

GREAT NEWS FOR ROMNEY IN SURVEY USA POLL SHOWING HIM DOWN 3 TO OBAMA IN OHIO!

As usual, look to the internals:

1) Sample is Dem +7 – sorry, not going to happen, not even close.
2) Obama only has 45% with 9% still undecideds. Historically, undecideds at this point break heavily for the challenger.

** The Rasmussen Poll of OH has Obama +1. Again, Rasmussen is using a Dem + 5 sample. Again, not going to happen.

Romney IS going to win OH.

mitchellvii on October 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Welfare soars 32% in 4 years.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/18/welfare-spending-jumps-32-percent-four-years/

Wonder what 4 more years of hopey changey will do?

bgibbs1000 on October 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM

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New MI poll by a D firm (Denno Research) has Obama up only 3%, 44-41. Romney up 6 w/ indys. #tightening http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20121017/ELECTIONS01/310170043/Michigan-poll-presidential-race-Obama-Romney
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gumbyandpokey on October 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Obama (to himself): “I can lie like Bill Clinton!”

He he he he.

Stepan on October 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM

The fat chick just couldn’t drag O’s arse across the finish line in first place.

Big zerO just couldn’t be saved.

Gunlock Bill on October 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM

“** The Rasmussen Poll of OH has Obama +1. Again, Rasmussen is using a Dem + 5 sample. Again, not going to happen.

Romney IS going to win OH.

mitchellvii on October 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM”

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Just wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For his poll of Ohio, Rasmussen used an even partisan split of R/D (believe it was 35% each).

This is why I’m here, to correct the incorrect, unrealistic pie-in-the-sky hopes.

gumbyandpokey on October 18, 2012 at 10:19 AM

This is why I’m here, to correct the incorrect, unrealistic pie-in-the-sky hopes.

gumbyandpokey on October 18, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Good one pokey. That got a real belly laugh.

You pie in the sky delusional nutball you.

Still laughing.

cozmo on October 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM

The fat chick just couldn’t drag O’s arse across the finish line in first place.

Big zerO just couldn’t be saved.

Gunlock Bill on October 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Well she has to get Obama’s wad out of her mouth to sing.

bgibbs1000 on October 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Just wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For his poll of Ohio, Rasmussen used an even partisan split of R/D (believe it was 35% each).

This is why I’m here, to correct the incorrect, unrealistic pie-in-the-sky hopes.

gumbyandpokey on October 18, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Link please?

Put up or shut up.

bgibbs1000 on October 18, 2012 at 10:24 AM

I don’t see where describing Romney as a bully from the left is doing Obama any favors or Romney any harm. Putting substance aside, the vision of Obama sitting on his little stool in back of Romney shouting “you tell him, Candy” and “I’m used to being interrupted” while she comes to his defense made him look weak. Who wants a President who can be bullied anyway? He looked like his mom was beating up the big, bad bully. In reality it was Romney who was standing up to two against one, and it made him look like a strong leader. I also remember that the left had no objection when Romney was “bullying” Republicans during the primaries, and they supposedly were all for Romney being the candiate to run against Obama.

lea on October 18, 2012 at 10:27 AM

ha ha ha such desperate koolaid chuggers

Obama won the debate.

Now get back to applauding early voting restrictions because they help Mittens.

Dave Rywall on October 18, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Excellent post, J.E. Obama’s performance in the second debate is not wearing well, with me at least. The longer I reflect on debate #2, the better Romney is looking, for many of the reasons you outline.

petefrt on October 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Obama (to himself): “I can lie like Bill Clinton!”

He he he he.

Stepan on October 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Obama’s no Bill Clinton. He could use a few more lessons from the master.

lea on October 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

“Just wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For his poll of Ohio, Rasmussen used an even partisan split of R/D (believe it was 35% each).

This is why I’m here, to correct the incorrect, unrealistic pie-in-the-sky hopes.

gumbyandpokey on October 18, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Link please?

Put up or shut up.

bgibbs1000 on October 18, 2012 at 10:24 AM”

The exact info is on his premium/subscriber site (which sometimes is made available to the public later), but here is the exact breakdown…

Rasmussen Ohio: Obama 49-48. 37-37-25 DRI split.

Obama leads in Ohio with a dead-even partisan split. Obama is going to win Ohio.

gumbyandpokey on October 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM

O’bamna loses huge lead in WI

A new poll of Wisconsin voters by Marquette Law School (when it comes to polling, it seems that everyone’s getting into the act) provides good news for both Mitt Romney and Tommy Thompson. The poll has Romney in a virtual tie with President Obama (Obama 49, Romney 48). It also has Thompson virtually deadlocked with his opponent Tammy Baldwin (Thompson 46, Baldwin 45).

The poll demonstrates the significance of the first presidential debate. Before the debate, Obama held an 11 point lead. And he still holds an 8 point lead among those who didn’t see the debate. Unfortunately for the president, 73 percent of those surveyed said they watched the first debate.

http://law.marquette.edu/poll/

Del Dolemonte on October 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM

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