Er, no, Obama didn’t win the debate last night

posted at 8:41 pm on October 17, 2012 by J.E. Dyer

We’ve reached a watershed here, where we either live in our own heads affirming reality, regardless of spurious inputs from demagoguery or sentiment, or we give up on reality and let demagoguery and sentiment take over at the decision table.  Did the president pull off a performance last night, in terms of sounding passionate and full of conviction?  To some extent, yes.  Does that mean he won the debate, or even achieved a draw with Romney?  No.

The mainstream media immediately launched a volley of positive soundbites about the president’s performance, but frankly, they were going to do that anyway.  As long as Obama didn’t collapse on the stage, they were going to say he had his mojo back.

The problem is that in order to sound passionate and full of conviction, Obama had to belt out a remarkable string of untruths.  Besides repeating the same tired lies about Romney’s policies that his campaign has been flogging for the last two months, the president simply lied – there’s nothing else to call it – about the trend of drilling permits under his administration (Romney is right; permits have been slashed).

Obama insisted to Romney that he had called the Benghazi attack terrorism on day one, when in fact, he had not.  He lied about the Arizona immigration-enforcement law, repeating a lie the Democrats have persisted in since the law was being debated in the Arizona statehouse.  The law is carefully and explicitly written to prohibit ethnic profiling stops by law-enforcement officers.  Immigration-status checks can only be done in connection with a stop on another, unrelated basis, such as a traffic stop.

Obama did try to assume the moral high ground on Libya with a riff on Americans’ safety and his responsibility, but it was a cringe-worthy performance from the man who waited until after the Benghazi attack to bring diplomatic-mission security up to a normal standard, and who professes, 36 days after the attack, to still be waiting to find out what happened.  If he really doesn’t know, he’s the only one who doesn’t.  His position that we’re still waiting to assess the attack isn’t judicious; it’s absurd.  Mentally substitute George W. Bush for Obama in this scenario, and try to imagine the MSM giving Bush the benefit of the doubt for 36 days and counting.

I had my concerns about Romney’s performance last night, if only a couple.  Probably the biggest was that he tended to put his most powerful material at the end of each statement, and got cut off just as he was articulating it.  The response to the woman who asked about keeping jobs in the US was a case in point: Romney made a rather convoluted case about China as a currency manipulator, and only after dealing with that arcane topic mentioned that if we want to keep America job-friendly, we have to stop regulating ourselves into an economic coma.  He got cut off saying it; that should have been his opening point.  The American people can do something about that.  And whether or not the point about regulation resonated with that particular questioner, it would resonate far and wide among other Americans.

Romney is typically succinct and direct on the economy, and he should apply that style to everything he says in a debate.  He would have made the point about Obama’s own passive investment in China much better by simply stating it outright, rather than repeating the same question to the president – “Have you looked at your pension lately?” – until it began sounding like a second-grader’s taunt.  Just make the assertion, already.  “Mr. President, your pension is invested in China.”  That simple – and, without the weird build-up, slyly devastating.

But rhetorical glitches aside, Romney had substance last night.  He whaled it out of the park on energy and immigration, and came off as genial and presidential.  Interestingly, the Frank Luntz panel saw the same thing.  The MSM’s assessment this morning that the president staged a comeback in this debate is information about the MSM, not about the candidates or the debate.  It’s like they’re narrating some invisible drama that no one else can see.

I don’t think Romney dominated last night’s debate as he did the first one.  But neither did I see the debate as a draw.  Only if it counts as successful communication to use demagoguery to create itch-scratching images for your own base did Obama’s performance equal Romney’s.  Obama’s statements would have had little appeal outside his own base.  And indeed, so many of them were simply false that, to my mind, it requires assuming that your fellow Americans are fools, to think that his communications were probably more effective with them than they were with you.

The constituency for the real Obama is a minority in America, no bigger than the minority that votes for Democrats in every election cycle, and perhaps not that big.  Much of Obama’s 2008 support has peeled away, precisely because there’s no consistency between his actions, his rhetoric, and blunt reality.  Romney came off last night as he did in the first debate:  as someone with experience who does operate on the basis of reality.  For my part, I think the world in which Obama’s oratorical flourishes carried the day exists only inside the heads of MSM pundits.  Reality is giving the rest of us a big-time check.

J.E. Dyer’s articles have appeared at The Green Room, Commentary’s “contentions,Patheos, The Weekly Standard online, and her own blog, The Optimistic Conservative.

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No Shiite.

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Unless lying is being graded..

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:42 PM

And looking for others to help you..

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Nobel Peace Prize…

yeah riiiight..

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:42 PM

but the organizing for Obama people that comment here told me that the election is a lock for Obama.

tom daschle concerned on October 17, 2012 at 8:42 PM

I agree getting a couple fo unanswered cheap shots withe referees help doesn’t mean you won the debate.

Red Creek on October 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Bishop?

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Did the president pull off a performance last night, in terms of sounding passionate and full of conviction? To some extent, yes. Does that mean he won the debate, or even achieved a draw with Romney? No.

Thank You.

Hardest Hit:

Chuckie K.

Tim_CA on October 17, 2012 at 8:44 PM

“Candy…Please help me!!!!”

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:44 PM

…YOU LIE…!!!

KOOLAID2 on October 17, 2012 at 8:45 PM

“Media..You’re my only hope”

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:45 PM

…YOU LIE…!!!

KOOLAID2 on October 17, 2012 at 8:45 PM

^^^^THIS!

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Crowley did her best to help him win.

She had Obama give the last word to almost every topic, & the last final statement.

She gave Obama more minutes.

She interrupted Obama far less than Romney.

itsnotaboutme on October 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

fo=of, withe= with the

Red Creek on October 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Well said.

cheetah2 on October 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Only with the MSM can a candidate who lies repeatedly and who was saved 28 times by the ‘moderator’ be declared a winner.

pat on October 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Another ‘win’ like last night for Obama, especially after the Biden Jokeresque performance, and they can count on getting a solid B- and second place.

ajacksonian on October 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

She interrupted Obama far less than Romney.

itsnotaboutme on October 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

And after all that…
Romney spoke truth…
What a waste Obama is…

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Go to the transcript. And lo and behold Jabba has the transcript.
What’s the word ? ah, coordinated. Has anyone else see this??

rik on October 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM

This is what happens when you put a Compulsive Liar in the Highest Office in the world…A Grander Level of Lying and this piece of sh*t has it down to an art form! Romney/Ryan 58% – Oliar/Biteme 38% – Other 4%…

Tbone McGraw on October 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I agree.

Terrye on October 17, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Mitt, please interrogating your opponent and spend your breath and brains burying him with the facts. Don’t give this incompetent fool an opportunity to interrupt you. You are not in court.

Get to the point quickly. Hit quick and hit hard. You did a great job, but you know he and Joe the Braying Jackass now use the same tactic – interrupt when losing and whine to the liberal moderator who will save them.

I’m sure your coaches have now pointed that out by now. Barry cheats. He’s a Chicago pol. You have to go in for the takedown fast.

Philly on October 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Go to the transcript. And lo and behold Jabba has the transcript.
What’s the word ? ah, coordinated. Has anyone else see this??

rik on October 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Yes..
A planned attach….

[Golf claps and chuckles from the media]

The media loves America…
No really…

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Attach…..attack..

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:51 PM

It was not a strike out for O he did get on first base only because of error. BUT Romney got to second with 2 RBI

tjexcite on October 17, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Uh, I don’t think that obama sounded “passionate and full of conviction” – to me, he just sounded desperate and full of sh*t (and perhaps a little too much MD 20/20).

Pork-Chop on October 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM

J.E. Dyer is a good guy..

You can post here….

Really…

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I worry about the ignorant voters who are just now tuning in and still believe that MSNBC and CNN are straight news sources. They might believe his lies. I tell you what, the US Senate race in ND is nasty. The commercials are brutal. I love the one against Rick Berg that claims that her kids wouldn’t have a mother if it was up to that nasty Republican, he would have denied her mammogram and created orphans.

TXMomof3 on October 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Oh my – I just read a twitter feed of a Obama voter. I think I lost some IQ points in the process.

gophergirl on October 17, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Did the president pull off a performance last night, in terms of sounding passionate and full of conviction? To some extent, yes. Does that mean he won the debate, or even achieved a draw with Romney? No.

Tim_CA on October 17, 2012 at 8:44 PM

That’s the same quote I picked out of J. E. Dyer’s post.

Obama has done nothing in the last four years that he can point to as something that will convince people he should be re-elected.

It’s all smoke and mirrors, petulance and pride. Lie upon lie upon lie.

Seldom, if ever, in the history of our nation has any politician been so deserving of being trounced in a an election and being run out of town on a rail.

Oh, and Candy Crowley should be right behind him—except that I believe CNN is based in Atlanta so perhaps the good Georgians will bar her admittance ever again to their fair state.

INC on October 17, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Yeah but the number one popular search all day today on Bing goes straight to a link that says Obama won the debate, so, you know, it must be true.

txmomof6 on October 17, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Uh, I don’t think that obama sounded “passionate and full of conviction” – to me, he just sounded desperate and full of sh*t (and perhaps a little too much MD 20/20).

Pork-Chop on October 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Passionate like a twatwaffle.

Key West Reader on October 17, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Ok..I went to some of the LibSpaz sites…Little Green…Kos..

Wow…it’s like those people are either in some kind of time warp or in an entirely different reality….

I’d put some links in for clarity…but …it’s just too much…

They’re losing it…big time…

BigWyo on October 17, 2012 at 8:55 PM

J.E. Dyer is a good guy..

You can post here….

Really…

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM

J.E. Dyer is a woman.

Bitter Clinger on October 17, 2012 at 8:55 PM

It was not a strike out for O he did get on first base only because of error.

tjexcite on October 17, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Fore balls and Obama walks..

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:56 PM

J.E. Dyer is a good guy..

You can post here….

Really…

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM

She’s one of us grils, but she’s still a good guy! :)

INC on October 17, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Mitt does not need to ask Dear Leader anything. He needs to state his case, stand back and watch the lying begin.

d1carter on October 17, 2012 at 8:56 PM

J.E. Dyer is a woman.

Bitter Clinger on October 17, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Blushing…

Still a good gal..

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:56 PM

In the next (and last) debate, Romney should refrain from acting as a prosecutor, and repeatedly asking questions like: How much did you cut it by? Did you look at your pension recently? Barry was not about to trap into answering those questions. Instead, Romney was wasting his allotted time. Just make the point and move on, don’t try to get a “gotcha” Perry Mason moment.

bayview on October 17, 2012 at 8:57 PM

J.E. Dyer is a good guy..

You can post here….

Really…

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I never know if I’m stepping in on a joke or not, but you do know J.E. has lady parts smarts, right?

Fallon on October 17, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Blacks feel less empowered under Obama.

On the debate, it was silly to hold a townhall debate in NY. Those questioners were mostly letdown Obama creatures, except the Benghazi guy.

Schadenfreude on October 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM

I just read a poll that our resident troll won’t like.

PPP WASHINGTON: 50-45 Obama

If Washington is that close, it’s no wonder O is giving up on VA, NC, and FL.

RepublicanInMA on October 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Should have held debate in a swing state.

Schadenfreude on October 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM

rik on October 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM

BINGO! Not a peep from anyone in the media, not any of the talking heads, not even the Romney camp, about this obvious rule violation…did she have a cheeseburger in there, too?

Romney should have called attention to it and asked her what other contraband she had or embarrassed her by making a joke of it:

“Wow! Of all the documents to bring to prepare for the debate, you just HAPPENED to bring a copy of Obama’s Rose Garden speech transcript. OK, read the part where he specifically stated that THIS ATTACK was a ‘terrorist attack’, not the generic term ‘terrorist attacks’, which covers a number of events over the past 40 years.”

opaobie on October 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Hellfire J.E. 0 didn’t even get close to the ring last night. He spent most of his time on the ropes.

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Should have held debate in a swing state.

Schadenfreude on October 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Lol! Wonder why they didn’t? /

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Candy Cowley worse than Gwen Eyefull.

SparkPlug on October 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM

JE Dyer hath lady parts?

dude??! dadgum it, i thought JE had dude parts.

ted c on October 17, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Liz Cheney coming up on Hannity.

Philly on October 17, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Blacks feel less empowered under Obama.

On the debate, it was silly to hold a townhall debate in NY. Those questioners were mostly letdown Obama creatures, except the Benghazi guy.

Schadenfreude

one of the goals of the racist democrat blue bloods.

tom daschle concerned on October 17, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Obowma waited 36 days to respond?

Hell, he waited 120 days to get to work on the Gulf Oil Spillso he could blame oil companies and shut own oil,drilling in the Gulf.

dthorny on October 17, 2012 at 9:01 PM

What will we be talking about 3 weeks from tonight?

JPeterman on October 17, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Audacity.

KCB on October 17, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Two thoughts, did anyone really expect the affirmative action Precedent to win a debate on his own? He’s never accomplished a thing on his own in his life.

And, once these cretins are out of power, we need to make it clear to the folks we put IN power, that they have a mandate to tell the media to pi$$ up a rope and suck the wet end. No more groveling. I want to see a Repub look David Gregory, et al, right in the face and say, “Are you KIDDING me?!!” when they ask/say their stupid BS.

waterytart on October 17, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Next question comes from an economics major at Harvard, actually just a comment, go ahead caller:

President Obama, on October 1, 2012, on just that one day, the government added $93 BILLION dollars to the national debt. From the signing of the Declaration of Independence until December 7, 1941, the government had only accumulated $92.8 Billion.

Wow! You are AWESOME!!! More, please!!!!

opaobie on October 17, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Obowma waited 36 days to respond?

Hell, he waited 120 days to get to work on the Gulf Oil Spillso he could blame oil companies and shut own oil,drilling in the Gulf.

dthorny on October 17, 2012 at 9:01 PM

remember, he had to find out “who’s ass to kick.” Thus, the moniker “Captain Kick Ass” was bequeathed upon him.

ted c on October 17, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Noot up first.

Philly on October 17, 2012 at 9:05 PM

The media attempting to drum up ratings for the 3rd debate?

dthorny on October 17, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Of course he won. “Bitchy” is the new “presidential”. Doncha know?

Valkyriepundit on October 17, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Uh-oh, Newt is hitting on Barry’s “psychology” in terms of Islamic extremism.

Philly on October 17, 2012 at 9:07 PM

dude??! dadgum it, i thought JE had dude parts.

ted c on October 17, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Dang ted c! I thought you were flying?

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Occam’s Razor:

“In any complex environment containing many variables the simplest most obvious solution is correct.”

Obama has failed as our President. The economy is in terrible shape, we are wildly deeper in debt and the Middle East is on fire. Obama will not be re-elected.

This is confirmed by the University of Colorado study predicting a 77% chance of Romney victory.

All the campaigning and gaffes and debates are just noise. Barack Obama is a bad president and will not win re-election.

mitchellvii on October 17, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Hannity is showing the State video subtitled in Arabic. LOL.

Philly on October 17, 2012 at 9:08 PM

What will we be talking about 3 weeks from tonight?

JPeterman on October 17, 2012 at 9:01 PM

How to keep President Romney in line. Lol!

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Obama told Latinos and the underqualified “Yes, we’ll ship some jobs to China, especially the low paying kind”.

Teh-heh, any thinking Latino will vote against him.

Schadenfreude on October 17, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Denial is the sincerest form of disappointment.

Constantine on October 17, 2012 at 9:10 PM

I never know if I’m stepping in on a joke or not, but you do know J.E. has lady parts smarts, right?

Fallon on October 17, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Never have understood why J.E.’s gender trips people up. They must not click on her link.

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 9:10 PM

There’s that sweetie! No mistaken her gender.

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 9:10 PM

What will we be talking about 3 weeks from tonight?

JPeterman on October 17, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Most likely: The massive stock market ralley and the inner city rioting.

Less likely: The perils of vote fraud and the end of the republic.

Kataklysmic on October 17, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Never have understood why J.E.’s gender trips people up. They must not click on her link.

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 9:10 PM

I never did..click..
Dang…

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 9:12 PM

What will we be talking about 3 weeks from tonight?

JPeterman on October 17, 2012 at 9:01 PM

My guess is that it will not be binders, Big Bird or clean dishes. My hope is that it will be how the new President and GOP control of Congress can turn things around.

Happy Nomad on October 17, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Here is why he didn’t win the debate: all outlets are showing Romney killed him on the economy. The economy is what matters most.
Plus, Obama merely did well enough, with many lies, to give his base false hope. However, the independents were swayed to Romney. See Luntz’s focus group.

Obama was out of the coma he was in during the first round. However, even with the help of Candy Cowley, he still looked weak and unpresidential.

the new aesthetic on October 17, 2012 at 9:12 PM

There’s that sweetie! No mistaken her gender.

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 9:10 PM

I never read…
Dang..

:)

Electrongod on October 17, 2012 at 9:12 PM

I meant to spell it “Cowley” as in MOO!!!!`

the new aesthetic on October 17, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Denial is the sincerest form of disappointment.
 
Constantine on October 17, 2012 at 9:10 PM

 
Thanks.

rogerb on October 17, 2012 at 9:14 PM

I meant to spell it “Cowley” as in MOO!!!!`

the new aesthetic on October 17, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Crawler would have also been accepted as correct. ; )

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 9:15 PM

“The ‘Come Back Kid’” stories were already written before the debate…

… what was entertaining was watching the Left try to convince each other just how wonderful their boyfriend was.

“He was great,… right?”

Seven Percent Solution on October 17, 2012 at 9:16 PM

How to keep President Romney in line. Lol!

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Those are very true words, my friend, very true indeed.

predator on October 17, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Denial is the sincerest form of disappointment.

Constantine on October 17, 2012 at 9:10 PM

The irony.

CW on October 17, 2012 at 9:16 PM

It’s funny you won’t a single conservative that who would say such nonsense on Kimmel because we live in REALITY. The Left lives in a world that they wish it to be, rather than in the actual world! This is why they can give great speeches, talk about great plans, but fail miserably when they actually have to run something.

milemarker2020 on October 17, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Thanks.

rogerb on October 17, 2012 at 9:14 PM

… and into the vault it goes.

:)

Seven Percent Solution on October 17, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Liz: Team Barry can’t keep the story straight. No kidding.

Philly on October 17, 2012 at 9:18 PM

OT
Namby pambys in charge of MLB. Game postponed while it’s not raining.

22044 on October 17, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Sure he did. It’s all over the news.

Of course, it’s not that hard to win when the referee is crooked.

malclave on October 17, 2012 at 9:20 PM

He would have made the point about Obama’s own passive investment in China much better by simply stating it outright, rather than repeating the same question to the president – “Have you looked at your pension lately?”

I said the same thing today repeatedly. We think alike.

When Romney does this, and he has done similar in other debates, he becomes very unlikable. I am concerned about the direction of the electorate this week. I hope I am wrong.

Carnac on October 17, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Thanks.

rogerb on October 17, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Had a feeling you might like her. She sure is sweet. ; )

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Candy Cowley worse than Gwen Eyefull.

SparkPlug on October 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM

I dunno..are there levels of fat and stupid?
I has some chuck but I’m not the stupid.

bazil9 on October 17, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Never have understood why J.E.’s gender trips people up. They must not click on her link.

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Because most neanderthals don’t think a woman can be so awesome with naval history and current naval situations.

cozmo on October 17, 2012 at 9:23 PM

I had my concerns about Romney’s performance last night, if only a couple. Probably the biggest was that he tended to put his most powerful material at the end of each statement, and got cut off just as he was articulating it.

–J.E.D.

This is an excellent point, and J.E. Dyer should be teleported directly to Romney H.Q. to reiterate it again and again. It has been a weakness of Romney’s speaking style throughout the campaign, and apparently it has not been beaten out of him with a rubber hose yet.

When time is limited and you are likely to be cut off either by an hostile moderator, your opponent, or a news editor (but perhaps I repeat myself) organize your thoughts like a newspaper story, not a friggin’ Hegelian Dialectic.

HTL on October 17, 2012 at 9:23 PM

JE Dyer hath lady parts?

dude??! dadgum it, i thought JE had dude parts.

ted c on October 17, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Nope! I saw her in one of Mitt’s binders!

/s

stvnscott on October 17, 2012 at 9:23 PM

I dunno..are there levels of fat and stupid?
I has some chuck but I’m not the stupid.

bazil9 on October 17, 2012 at 9:22 PM

CC’s problem is cranial fat. It crowds the brain.

predator on October 17, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Most likely: The massive stock market ralley and the inner city rioting.

Less likely: The perils of vote fraud and the end of the republic.

Kataklysmic on October 17, 2012 at 9:11 PM

I could use a good stock market rally and I’ll be watching the riots from the safety of my loft above the stables.

JPeterman on October 17, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Obama wasn’t much better than in the first debate. Repeating lies in a more forceful and aggressive manner doesn’t make them anymore true. The media was going to say how much better Obama did no matter what he said. I doubt voters saw it that way though. Look at how many voters were probably exposed to the truth for the first time about Obama’s lies on oil and gas production.

supernova on October 17, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Much of Obama’s 2008 support has peeled away, precisely because there’s no consistency between his actions, his rhetoric, and blunt reality.

After four years, Obama offers nothing for the country to look back on with pride and nothing to look forward to with hope.

STL_Vet on October 17, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Candy resorted to affirmative action to protect her affirmative action candidate.

meci on October 17, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Of course, it’s not that hard to win when the referee is crooked.

malclave on October 17, 2012 at 9:20 PM

She’s stoopid crooked.

Watch what happens in the next few days. This was the watershed moment for CNN and Eye @ Candy.

Key West Reader on October 17, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Because most neanderthals don’t think a woman can be so awesome with naval history and current naval situations.

cozmo on October 17, 2012 at 9:23 PM

She is awesome. I think folks just don’t click that link for some odd reason. Of course I looked her up the traditional way. But then I do that with everyone.

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 9:29 PM

I could use a good stock market rally and I’ll be watching the riots from the safety of my loft above the stables.

JPeterman on October 17, 2012 at 9:25 PM

I am looking at a Mossberg Zombie 500. Although here in Vegas area I am sure nothing like CA riots will even stand a chance, people are better armed than cops.

riddick on October 17, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Of course, it’s not that hard to win when the referee is crooked.

malclave on October 17, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Liberals define it as ensuring “equal outcome”

STL_Vet on October 17, 2012 at 9:31 PM

bazil9 on October 17, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Hi B9. Won’t be long now before Barry is crowned King of Carterville. Thats the place where we get to lock him in a Medieval stockade and let Grace throw rotten veggies at him. All proceeds go to supply her with more veggies.

I’ll be the egg man and BMore can throw Cowley pies.

SparkPlug on October 17, 2012 at 9:32 PM

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