Wrap up: The second debate; Update: Obama wins CBS insta-poll narrowly, but Romney wins big on economy; Update: Actually, Romney had a point, says Crowley

posted at 11:19 pm on October 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

The consensus among the righties that I follow on Twitter is that it was a push, with Romney acing his answer on the economy and underperforming when he finally took on The One on Libya. Better that than vice versa, though: As Ben Domenech said, only one of those is an issue that people will vote on.

There were several key exchanges — the staredown on energy, Romney politely distancing himself from Bush — but I’m giving you the economy and Libya answers below, via the Examiner and Daily Caller, respectively. Romney seemed unprepared for the pushback from Obama and his pal Candy on what he said about “acts of terror” in the Rose Garden on September 12; The One now wants us to believe that he was forthright about calling it a terrorist attack all along, when in fact he was so coy and evasive that Jay Carney had to clarify his view for the press more than two weeks later. Romney didn’t chase him on that or on all the other nonsense in the aftermath — blaming a “spontaneous protest” when even the earliest intel suggested a terror attack, running ads in Pakistan groveling over a private citizen’s insult to Mohammed, the snowballing revelations about just how indifferent State was to Chris Stevens’s security, etc. O even got to play the part of the indignant C-in-C, declaring how offended he was that anyone would accuse him of playing politics with this issue when, in fact, he’s been playing politics with it since day one. And of course, just as I expected, he finally took meaningless symbolic responsibility for the Benghazi security failure now that Hillary had covered his ass by taking responsibility herself last night.

The good news? Mitt gets another crack at the Libya attack in the next debate, which will focus exclusively on foreign policy. He’ll be very well prepared, rest assured. And since most of the media’s coverage tomorrow will focus on the Libya exchange tonight, that issue will continue to get plenty of coverage for the rest of the week. I can live with that. Exit quotation from Ben Smith: “Romney did, again, come away looking like a guy who could be president, which is probably the most important thing.” Yep.


Update: Here’s something else I can live with:

I’d much, much rather have had Romney make a strong impression on the economy than “win” overall with barely more than a one-third plurality. If you think undecideds are going to go into the booth in November and think hard about jobs, then these are the numbers you want to see.

Update: Like I said up top:

After that generic reference to “acts of terror” in the Rose Garden — which was so generic that the media forgot all about it for weeks afterward — the White House strained very hard not to call this a terror attack. They desperately wanted it to be a protest that got out of hand, all thanks to that Mohammed movie. If it’s a terror attack, then the administration has to explain why they didn’t see it coming and why The Man Who Got Bin Laden somehow let his ambassador’s compound be overrun by an Al Qaeda affiliate. Which narrative is better if you’re running a reelection campaign?

Update: I didn’t see it, but the word on Twitter is that Frank Luntz’s focus group tonight on Fox was simply brutal to Obama.

Update: I’m hearing now that Anderson Cooper challenged Crowley’s spin on the “acts of terror” comment on CNN’s post-debate show. Jay Cost is right, as usual:

Update: Note to David Axelrod: You sure you want to spend another media cycle or three on Libya?

Update: Via the Washington Free Beacon, here’s O conspicuously refusing to use the T-word to describe Benghazi — on September 25.

Update: NRO’s Patrick Brennan on why Obama’s “acts of terror” reference in the Rose Garden on September 12 wasn’t really a reference to Benghazi:

His only mention of “terror”:

“No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America.”

One could take that as a reference to acts which include the tragedy in Benghazi, obviously, but there was clearly no effort made to label it an act of terrorism. One reason why this might be: According to U.S. law, acts of terrorism are premeditated. The Obama administration’s line for days following Obama’s Rose Garden statement suggested that the attack wasn’t premeditated.

Update: Via the Examiner, now she tells us:

Upwards of 60 million people likely watched her side with Obama on Libya during the debate. How many saw this clip on CNN’s post-game show? One million, maybe?


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canopfor on October 17, 2012 at 12:44 AM

How about the matchbook version?? (Been drinking Labatt all night, so it’s really your fault.)

Hitting always tends to be streaky..Great pitching always trumps great hitting!..:)

PS..Good evening!..:)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 12:46 AM

Good evening to you, too.
You are correct, of course. But a team that will win the world series most probably MUST do BOTH.

Still……….I’d be lying if I told you that I wasn’t thinking about sweeping the Yankees!!

RedCrow on October 17, 2012 at 12:53 AM

I keep going back to the Luntz focus group of undecideds and how they trashed Obama tonight. Luntz is very careful how he selects his focus groups, mainly to protect his image and brand. If this group is representative, Obama is in bigger trouble than I have maintained for two years now. This could be, and I’m trying to be careful here, not just a landslide but an earth slide.

TXUS on October 17, 2012 at 12:50 AM

I just saw some vid of that. Most striking was the woman who said she knew a lot of people, like herself, were undecided b/w Romney and not voting at all, and this pushed her firmly in Romney’s direction. I think that is what the Left is missing here. They’ll cheer Obama’s performance, but going full douchebag as he did tonight with the personal attacks and shrill aggression will NOT play well with undecideds.

That said, I think the election will be very close.

changer1701 on October 17, 2012 at 12:53 AM

Is anyone asking how Crowley came up with that ‘acts of terror” quote so quickly? It was an obscure line in a speech given weeks ago.
Could it be that the Obama camp tipped her that he was going there?
How else to be prepared to back up Obama when a clearly thunderstruck Romney pounced? He couldn’t believe Obama would spout such a brazen falsehood yet Crowley was prepared to leap to the One’s defense. Fishy.

Curmudgeon on October 17, 2012 at 12:54 AM

All politics aside, after watching the debate, which of the two guys seemed like someone you’d want to invite over for dinner?

Romney comes across extremely well-mannered, pleasant, decent, humble, generous and good-natured. This is a classy guy, and it shows.

Obama came across like a cocky, stuck-up, sneering and angry jackass who can’t handle the fact that not everyone thinks he’s God’s gift to mankind.

The choice is clear: Romney is the better man.

I will be PROUD with Mitt Romney as president.

bluegill on October 17, 2012 at 12:54 AM

Why this exchange is not getting more attention is probably due to the massive screw-up for Obama on Libya.

….I can tell you that all the women in the room loved this exchange more than any other…..it was a direct act of giving up face by Obama…
…..totally owned by Mitt.

Baxter Greene on October 17, 2012 at 12:48 AM

Most cringeworthy part of that: he received a small laugh at first with the “not as big as yours.” Then he tried to go for it again – complete crickets except for his own stupid-arsed chuckling at his own joke.

Gingotts on October 17, 2012 at 12:55 AM

OT: Ed Henry of Fox (still reports w his crappy CNN smirk; I say send him back) stated that RR just announced another $11 MM swing state buy effective immediately for the next 6 days alone.

matthew8787 on October 17, 2012 at 12:55 AM

One of the so-called “undecided voters” was really a media coordinator for Code Pink http://is.gd/GcvdKf

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 17, 2012 at 12:41 AM

I wonder who that unkempt meth-head really is , the one who asked about assault weapons ? She looked like she had been dragged from an occupy food line and given some clothes from Salvation Army .

burrata on October 17, 2012 at 12:55 AM

canopfor on October 17, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Obama can strike Ansar al-Sharia and Khattalah if he wants before the election, but it will look like he’s doing it mostly to protect his presidency, rather than bring the Benghazi attackers to justice. No, Obama has to nail no less than Zawahiri himself, if he really wants a bounce, and that still doesn’t get him off the hook for Benghazi and his unraveling Mideast policy.

Christien on October 17, 2012 at 12:55 AM

The Luntz focus group of “undecideds” was just as “undecided” as the debate audience was. Both groups were filled with plants.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:55 AM

Romney won…

sandee on October 17, 2012 at 12:56 AM

BANK ON IT……. MILITARY ACTION in Libya by the election and would say maybe by the next debate

so he won have to answer any questions about “ongoing military operations”.

NOTHING is impossible with this Administration.

Romney was too passive on Libya but he CRUSHED him on that question about the last four years. Obama just looked like a fool while Romney listed the 2008 promises and then the failures.

Did Mitt respond to any 47% comments?

PappyD61 on October 17, 2012 at 12:41 AM

PappyD61:

They already put that tuff talking point out,just before the debate
……………….hmmmmmmmmmmmm…..:)
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White House considering retaliatory strike on militant targets over Libya consulate attack – @AP

Oct 15, 2012, 4:46 p.m. from hosted.ap.org by editor

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_US_NORTH_AFRICA_TERROR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/us-consulate-attacked-in-libya

canopfor on October 17, 2012 at 12:56 AM

I feel a War on Women coming full speed ahead tomorrow when Miss Candy gets thrown under the bus.

txhsmom on October 17, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Cindy Munford on October 17, 2012 at 12:53 AM

I’m okay with her..She is sorta like Carville I just have not seen her on any shows in quite a while..:)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Still……….I’d be lying if I told you that I wasn’t thinking about sweeping the Yankees!!

RedCrow on October 17, 2012 at 12:53 AM

Killin’ me…

JohnGalt23 on October 17, 2012 at 12:57 AM

All politics aside, after watching the debate, which of the two guys seemed like someone you’d want to invite over for dinner?

bluegill on October 17, 2012 at 12:54 AM

Sarah Palin. You?

arnold ziffel on October 17, 2012 at 12:57 AM

OT: Ed Henry of Fox (still reports w his crappy CNN smirk; I say send him back) stated that RR just announced another $11 MM swing state buy effective immediately for the next 6 days alone.

matthew8787 on October 17, 2012 at 12:55 AM

Good. Best not to give an inch, or cede any ground.

Jurisprudence on October 17, 2012 at 12:57 AM

i realize that the media are Ds with bylines..but you know barry made them look real bad. We had a terrorist incident on the 11th anniversary of 9/11 and he had the press reporting some crap about a vid maker and how the authorities went and arrested the guy.

now most leftists, think gumby, love to be used by their leaders…but this might really piss off the press. Woodward has been making noise about lybia…and now candy’s cohorts are correcting barry.

they, along with gumby, might say well…you go to do what barry says..then again…maybe not

and, if this does start mushrooming, then wag the dog.

r keller on October 17, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Only stupid women vote for Obama, the big liar.

Schadenfreude on October 17, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Schadenfreude on October 17, 2012 at 12:47 AM

I read your post about ‘the country needing a father figure’. I, too, think Romney can provide that and we won’t see the ‘fall of the west’ yet. We’ve been fools, and we recognize that folly. We’ve begun to move back, away from the brink. In November, we take a giant step toward reason.

thatsafactjack on October 17, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Curmudgeon on October 17, 2012 at 12:54 AM

Crowley claims she was ready to do that because she knew Benghazi would come up during the debate and, therefore, crammed beforehand on the issue.

Christien on October 17, 2012 at 12:58 AM

The fact that the Left has to explain, spin, lie, and distort why Obowma won…

… only proves Romney took it.

Go Team Romney…!

Seven Percent Solution on October 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

What network drug her out of dark?!!?..:)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 12:48 AM
She was a prominent Fox contributor until she was on O’Reilly’s 2004 debate coverage and she literally had a meltdown over her own abortion decision. It was sad.

John the Libertarian on October 17, 2012 at 12:49 AM

She was on Greta. Looked good. Facelift, makeover, blond hair, but same grating liberal voice. John, she seemed very concerned about “reproductive rights”

Brat on October 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

What was disturbing though was her initial CNN appearance before the apology. I’m paraphrasing but she basically said she was at the original speech and when Romney started talking Obama looked to her for backup. And she reflexively jumped in. Somebody can post the video if it hasn’t been posted already but it was kind of a shocking admission that she bailed him out.

RepublicanInMA on October 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

But a team that will win the world series most probably MUST do BOTH.

Still……….I’d be lying if I told you that I wasn’t thinking about sweeping the Yankees!!

RedCrow on October 17, 2012 at 12:53 AM

That is a very good point!..A sweep of the Yankees would definitely be a feather in the Tigers fedora (cap)..:)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

All politics aside, after watching the debate, which of the two guys seemed like someone you’d want to invite over for dinner?

bluegill on October 17, 2012 at 12:54 AM

Paul Ryan, ’cause he’d wash the dishes afterward.

Mitsouko on October 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

I bet there are a huge number of the people that don’t know it.

Cindy Munford on October 17, 2012 at 12:47 AM

Who’s to say Lindsey Lohan is a low-information voter?

John the Libertarian on October 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Update: Via the Examiner, now she tells us:

Candy is not an expert, hence her mistake, she would have been wise to stay silent. She didn’t, she had to open her pie hole one to many times. Thanks for the gift Candy.

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Carney On Libya Attack: “I Never Said We Don’t Know If It’s Terrorism”

Flora Duh on October 17, 2012 at 12:48 AM

Thanks. Did you notice that Jay Carney and BHO both said…”go look at the transcript” when they were pressed on this. I just looked at the Rose Garden video and he never called this a terrorist attack. I’m not sure if BHO ever has.

d1carter on October 17, 2012 at 1:01 AM

thatsafactjack on October 17, 2012 at 12:58 AM

I’m not as optimisic as you are and I’ll watch him like a hawk.

First, Obama must go!!!

Schadenfreude on October 17, 2012 at 1:01 AM

John, she seemed very concerned about “reproductive rights”

Brat on October 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

..with that voice, she should be!

The War Planner on October 17, 2012 at 1:01 AM

optimistic

Schadenfreude on October 17, 2012 at 1:01 AM

canopfor on October 17, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Thanks for the links!..:)

PS..That is code from Team Obie that a drone strike is coming!..:)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 1:01 AM

She slit her own throat. More power to her. May she do it again.

Resist We Much on October 17, 2012 at 12:50 AM

And let’s not forget, that dear Candy also chose the questions.

JPeterman on October 17, 2012 at 1:02 AM

Another thing that struck me was that 90%+ of these “undecided” voters that I’ve seen in focus groups voted Obama in 08. So even when Romney earns a draw among this group he’s picking up votes we didn’t have last time. It’s a key distinction. He already has basically all of McCain’s vote plus more because of increased GOP enthusiasm. And he’s picked up a ton of Obama defections already. These “undecideds” are icing on the cake.

RepublicanInMA on October 17, 2012 at 1:02 AM

Althouse liveblogging debate…this cracked me up

9:09: Crowley calls on someone named “Carrie” and Obama does a “Hi, Carrie” that sounds gentle and it’s obvious he thinks it’s a female. But it’s a big old guy. “Cary,” presumably. And he’s got the Libya question. Uh-oh.

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/10/live-blogging-second-obama-vs-romney.html

workingclass artist on October 17, 2012 at 1:03 AM

My post debate analysis:
Obama did much better. He was animated and this will surely excite his base. As I said in my last analysis, those people were going to vote for him anyway so what did he gain? Obama did well with his defense of his administration as well as (belatedly) saying that the buck stops with him. In this debate he came off as much more presidential and believable as a candidate. With the current backlash against the wealthy, he definitely scored points with his comment about not having as big as a portfolio as Romney.I believe independents will be turned off by his overbearing and sometimes hostile attitude. I believe that women voters will not be happy with his seeming disinterest in conditions that pertain solely to them. Grade B-
Romney came out strong and finished strong. I think he stumbled a bit by trying to relate to many facts and and letting himself being bullied by the moderator. He did come off as more genuine and likeable. He was much better at relating to people on a personal level. I think he needed to be more aggressive on Solyndra as well as a host of other failed alternate energy failures. He scored major points with the Alaskan pipeline as well as gas prices in general. Considering that the moderator gave Obama 9% more talking time, erroneously defended Obama on his terrorist Rose Garden comments, and generally came off as a democrat playing at being a moderator, I think Romney won the debate. He also excited his base. He garnered more independents with his personality and his ability to relate to people on a more personal level. If you believe that feminists speak for the majority of women, then Romney’s comments about “having a binder full of women” (I don’t think I would have phrased it that way) will definitely lose Romney points with women voters. If you don’t think that feminist speak for the majority of women, I think he will gain points with women. ( I was surprised he didn’t bring up the fact that women who work in Obama’s administration get paid less then the men). Grade A

bandutski on October 17, 2012 at 1:03 AM

CNN POLL POST DEBATE BREAKDOWN!!!

Romney wins strong leader over obama 48% to obama 45%

who attacked more? 49% obozo -35% Romney…

who would do a better job on the economy? 58% Romney 40% Obozo

Who would do a better job on health car? 49% Romney – 46% Obama

Who would better handle Taxes? 51% Romney 44% Obama

Who would better handle the deficit??? 59% Romney 36% Obama

= win

Conservative4ev on October 17, 2012 at 1:04 AM

Jim Lehrer has to be feeling pretty good right about now.

Christien on October 17, 2012 at 1:04 AM

Killin’ me…

JohnGalt23 on October 17, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Softly, quietly……….it’s the Detroit way. :)

A sweep of the Yankees would definitely be a feather in the Tigers fedora (cap)..:)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Yes. And Jose Valverde would immediately stick that feather up his bum so that he could strut around like an overgrown cockatoo on the occasion of his next save chance.

Nah–the Yankees can keep their feathers.

RedCrow on October 17, 2012 at 1:04 AM

Schadenfreude on October 17, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Just wanted to let you know that I agreed with you Romney missed on Solyndra and women wages..He could have done more damage than he did..I thought Romney did okay on Libya..F&F was a bonus!..:)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 1:05 AM

The Luntz focus group of “undecideds” was just as “undecided” as the debate audience was. Both groups were filled with plants.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:55 AM

I agree with what I thought I heard Brit Hume say tonight. In the next presidential campaign, they should (Or did he say “will”) retire this sad sad “town hall” “real people” debate. Nobody wants to see them walk around “Sue has a question.” “What’s you name? Sue? Hi Sue!” Dumb Dumb Dumb.

Marcus on October 17, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Obama gets one of those special ribbons for showing up this time.

Showing up and actually attempting to debate is not winning. He won nothing tonight, and most likely, time will tell that he gained no movement in the polls either.

ShadowsPawn on October 17, 2012 at 1:05 AM

canopfor on October 17, 2012 at 12:44 AM

How about the matchbook version?? (Been drinking Labatt all night, so it’s really your fault.)

RedCrow on October 17, 2012 at 12:53 AM

RedCrow:Lol……:0

canopfor on October 17, 2012 at 1:05 AM

I watched C-Span and they cut away the “President” and only piped “Romney…immigration”. I kept thinking “why does this woman address him with Romney?”, without the title.

Schadenfreude on October 17, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Conservative4ev on October 17, 2012 at 1:04 AM

I think those snap polls overall called it for Obama because he got the last word. That’s huge. There’s no way Romney wins on substance like he did and still loses the debate overall otherwise.

changer1701 on October 17, 2012 at 1:06 AM

Nah–the Yankees can keep their feathers.

RedCrow on October 17, 2012 at 1:04 AM

LoLz..I hear you!..:)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 1:06 AM

The Luntz focus group of “undecideds” was just as “undecided” as the debate audience was. Both groups were filled with plants.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:55 AM

Aw, butt hurt a little? It will be ok. Get off mommys computer and go back to playing Hello Kitty Island Adventure.

anchorman on October 17, 2012 at 1:06 AM

MSNBC ‘undecided’ dummies

Schadenfreude on October 17, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Everything with MSNBC is massively stupid.

bayview on October 17, 2012 at 1:06 AM

Crowley tells Anderson Cooper that she had been “reading up on Libya” in case a question came up. There’s no way she read about the Rose Garden transcript and concluded that Obama called in an act of terror, unless she was reading Obama campaign briefing material that was provided to her.

blink on October 17, 2012 at 1:01 AM

That nasty troll was so sure of herself that she had me thinking what? No wonder Mitt did not press the point. In the end this will work out even better.
How did Mitt keep from slapping the shit out of Obama though?

arnold ziffel on October 17, 2012 at 1:06 AM

Romney seems scared to death to challenge Obama on Libya after the media tore into him about his initial response. The media made the story about him and not the crisis that Obama blew and covered up.

Then again, he could be playing it smart and letting the fact checkers do the job. The story is staying alive one way or the other, but Romney will have to address it in the foreign policy debate.

HellCat on October 17, 2012 at 1:06 AM

Michelle Obama “Barack doesn’t have a big ego”.

I say “Michelle, your butt isn’t big either”.

Schadenfreude on October 17, 2012 at 1:06 AM

Rove said it was a draw, on Greta.
Both guys had pluses and minuses.
O didn’t have enough aggressiveness toward what he’ll do in the future.
Not good for O, on the future. .

pambi on October 17, 2012 at 1:07 AM

PS..That is code from Team Obie that a drone strike is coming!..:)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 1:01 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-mulls-strike-over-libya-attack-173210396–election.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CSfPH5QWUsAYylDDex_

Brat on October 17, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Wow, I really think this is going to back-fire on Obama if they keep trying to assert the Rose Garden speech.

blink on October 17, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Yep. She stepped in it. 0 can only look bad for it. Romney ends up correct. However the lie was dropped when the audience was attentive.

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Rove said it was a draw, on Greta.
Both guys had pluses and minuses.
O didn’t have enough aggressiveness toward what he’ll do in the future.
Not good for O, on the future. .

pambi on October 17, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Fighting for the status quo does not win elections

Conservative4ev on October 17, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Marcus on October 17, 2012 at 1:05 AM

I agree..Town Hall debates should go the way of the Dinosaur..:)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 1:08 AM

It’s been fun ya’ll, but I need some sleep. Nite.

txhsmom on October 17, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 1:05 AM

We disagree on Libya but that’s now in the news stream and will be front/center until and incl. in the next debate. I very much look forward to the last debate. It’s been my favorite from the get go. The economy is what people vote on but Libya will destroy Obama/Hillary/Rice/Biden, as she should.

Schadenfreude on October 17, 2012 at 1:09 AM

Here’s all Mitt has to say……

Hopey doesn’t do Cabinet Meetings
Hopey doesn’t do intell meetings
Hopey doesn’t meet with his Jobs council
Hopey doesn’t do Press Conferences
Hopey doesn’t do FOX
Hopes doesn’t work with Rs he has sent to the back of the bus

Hopey does enjoy Golfing while those who are fighting overseas, and who he cares for so much, come home in body bags.

Vegas, Baby !!

FlaMurph on October 17, 2012 at 1:09 AM

more Althouse liveblogging…

“9:10: Obama’s answer on Libya is all material he’s said before. Nothing updated to deal with the newest revelations. Same old talking points. Investigate. Track down the criminals. Romney politicized it. “I am ultimately responsible”… that’s new.

9:12: Romney acknowledges that Obama took responsibility “for the failure.”

9:16: Obama, yelling, says it’s “offensive” to suggest that anyone on his “team” would “play politics.” “That’s not what we do,” he says, making eye contact with Romney, but then he breaks eye contact and looks down. Check the video on this. It’s a moment.

9:19: Romney, in command, questions Obama about what he said the day after the attack in the Rose Garden. “You said it was an act of terror?” Romney asks twice. After the first time, Obama says “That’s what I said.” After the second time, Romney gives him a penetrating look. There’s a pause. Romney raises his eyebrows in a way that seems to repeat the question again. “It was not a spontaneous demonstration? Is that what you’re saying?” Obama bows his head. His eyes are closed. Obama looks up and with a little smile says: “Please proceed Governor.” Romney gestures with his hand. “I wanted to make sure we get that for the record, because it took the President 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi and act of terror.” Obama says “Get the transcript,” and Crowley helps Obama by saying “He did in fact, sir… He did in fact call it an act of terror. It did as well take 2 weeks or so for the whole idea of there being a riot out there about this tape to come out, you’re correct about that.” Jeez, Crowley is way overparticipating! And the audience applauds her!

9:20: Romney got tripped up on a little detail there, so his theatrical presentation fizzled in the end. He stuttered a bit. He should have had the preparation for that moment nailed. Obama lucked out. [ADDED: We're checking the transcript on the Rose Garden speech and the word "terror" (or "terrorist" or "terrorism") is not in it! Am I wrong? That really tripped up Romney, so if he wasn't wrong, I condemn Crowley.][AND: He said "outrageous attack," but certainly nothing like "act of terror."][ALSO: The word "terror" does appear in the full transcript of the remarks, as opposed to the written statement, but not in the context of characterizing the attack in Benghazi, in a more general reference, quoted at 10:21 below. The answer to Romney's question "You said it was an act of terror?" was clearly no, and when Obama bowed his head and looked down, I think he knew he was being deceitful. I imagine he thought: This is what I have to say.]

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/10/live-blogging-second-obama-vs-romney.html

This is close to how many independents will likely see it…why Althouse can be interesting

workingclass artist on October 17, 2012 at 1:09 AM

Conservative4ev on October 17, 2012 at 1:04 AM

I think those snap polls overall called it for Obama because he got the last word. That’s huge. There’s no way Romney wins on substance like he did and still loses the debate overall otherwise.

changer1701 on October 17, 2012 at 1:06 AM

The thing is the economy, I not think anyone believes Obama can fix it or know what to do. Unless your a gov worker or union clown. That’s a winner issue this year

Conservative4ev on October 17, 2012 at 1:10 AM

The Luntz focus group of “undecideds” was just as “undecided” as the debate audience was. Both groups were filled with plants.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:55 AM

Not even the plants at the debate could give Barry the game-changer he needed tonight. :-(

I better start shopping around for a warmer jacket for President Romney’s inauguration ceremony. :-)

Punchenko on October 17, 2012 at 1:10 AM

CNN’s Candy Crowley: Romney Was Actually Right On Libya

d1carter on October 17, 2012 at 1:01 AM

blink on October 17, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Was the transcript ‘remarks as delivered’ or was it text released ahead of time?

Someone will be comparing video with transcript to see exactly what was said.

In the transcript posted, it was clearly a general reference.

INC on October 17, 2012 at 1:10 AM

She didn’t, she had to open her pie hole one to many times. Thanks for the gift Candy.

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 1:00 AM

If she lived with you B, all them pies the Mrs. makes would get her up to 350 minimum.

arnold ziffel on October 17, 2012 at 1:11 AM

canopfor on October 17, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Thanks for the links!..:)

PS..That is code from Team Obie that a drone strike is coming!..:)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Dire Straits:Even`n dire,yup,a wee bit late me thinks!:)

canopfor on October 17, 2012 at 1:11 AM

The economy is what people vote on but Libya will destroy Obama/Hillary/Rice/Biden, as she should.

Schadenfreude on October 17, 2012 at 1:09 AM

I agree!!..:):)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Is anyone asking how Crowley came up with that ‘acts of terror” quote so quickly? It was an obscure line in a speech given weeks ago.

Could it be that the Obama camp tipped her that he was going there?

Curmudgeon on October 17, 2012 at 12:54 AM

THIS THIS THIS!

Jackalope on October 17, 2012 at 1:12 AM

Dire Straits:Even`n dire,yup,a wee bit late me thinks!:)

canopfor on October 17, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Yes it is late my friend!..Sadly to late..:(

PS..Great to see you!..:)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 1:13 AM

This is from the Corner from Eliana Johnson:

On Libya, Crowley Changes Her Tune

On Sunday, September 30th, Candy Crowley interviewed John McCain on the Benghazi scandal. During the interview, she said:

Friday [Sept 28th], we got the administration’s sort of definitive statement that this now looks as though it was a pre-planned attack by a terrorist group, some of whom were at least sympathetic to Al-Qaeda. Why do you think, and are you bothered, that it has taken them so long to get to this conclusion?

Those remarks seem to contradict her statement tonight that the President clearly labeled the attack on the Benghazi consulate a terrorist attack in his Rose Garden statement on September 12th.

That’s a good catch by Johnson, and indicates there may have been some collusion and prepping going on.

INC on October 17, 2012 at 1:13 AM

arnold ziffel on October 17, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Ha, ha, she can’t have my pie, nor do I have room for her here. ; )

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 1:15 AM

PS..That is code from Team Obie that a drone strike is coming!..:)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 1:01 A

Ooh, it might accidentaly take place 4500 miles west of the target and take out team Romney. But Obama is going to find out “just what happened.”

arnold ziffel on October 17, 2012 at 1:15 AM

The thing is the economy, I not think anyone believes Obama can fix it or know what to do. Unless your a gov worker or union clown. That’s a winner issue this year

Conservative4ev on October 17, 2012 at 1:10 AM

I agree. That’s what the vast majority of people will be basing their vote on, and Obama still can’t articulate a reason for his re-election other than ‘hey, the other guy paid a low tax rate!!!!’

changer1701 on October 17, 2012 at 1:15 AM

I’d like to ask Crowley why she didn’t bring up the Rose Gard speech with McCain, but was ready to go with it tonight with Obama.

INC on October 17, 2012 at 1:15 AM

Quick, everyone one go to the open thread and write something brilliant. It is 15 shy of 5000!!!!

Cindy Munford on October 17, 2012 at 1:16 AM

All politics aside, after watching the debate, which of the two guys seemed like someone you’d want to invite over for dinner?

bluegill on October 17, 2012 at 12:54 AM

Paul Ryan, ’cause he’d wash the dishes afterward.

Mitsouko on October 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

No way. He’d wait until after the meal was over to wash them, which is useless because everyone knows the dishes wash themselves if you leave them out overnight. Also, he would even wash the ones that were mostly kinda clean anyway.

That guy is such a jerk, I bet he actually soaps up to wash his hands too. Why can’t he just run water over his hands for the benefit of whoever might be watching?

RINO in Name Only on October 17, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Jim Lehrer has to be feeling pretty good right about now.

Christien on October 17, 2012 at 1:04 AM

People keep complaining about him, but he actually did really well. It was an actual debate. And what if they went over time on certain topics? They actually did it on important topics instead of “what would you do about this fake war on women pay?”

I was weary of Lehrer going into the debate, but it was refreshing to hear an actual debate!

ptcamn on October 17, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Ha, ha, she can’t have my pie, nor do I have room for her here. ; )

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 1:15 AM

She would keep you warm out in the barn.

arnold ziffel on October 17, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Obama is just going to hurt himself more and more if he keeps trying to use the “Rose Garden Speech.”

blink on October 17, 2012 at 1:13 AM

I agree..:)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 1:16 AM

QOTD – from the Luntz focus group

“He hasn’t come through on anything and he has been bullsitting the public.”

PolAgnostic on October 17, 2012 at 1:17 AM

INC on October 17, 2012 at 1:13 AM

Clearly the administrations lawyers have been busy. I’m sure this excuse was leaked to Candy, but when her “journalistic integrity” began to be questioned she let Obama hang. So now she disagrees with Obama? Will the racism never end!

And now I’m really going to bed. Really.

txhsmom on October 17, 2012 at 1:17 AM

No pressure, Bob Schieffer. Might want to think up a good excuse and bow out of moderating the third and final debate.

Christien on October 17, 2012 at 1:17 AM

The Luntz focus group of “undecideds” was just as “undecided” as the debate audience was. Both groups were filled with plants.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:55 AM

Romney won the MSNBC focus group too.

Chuck Schick on October 17, 2012 at 1:17 AM

arnold ziffel on October 17, 2012 at 1:15 AM

LoL..:)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 1:17 AM

The Luntz focus group of “undecideds” was just as “undecided” as the debate audience was. Both groups were filled with plants.

gumbyandpokey on October 17, 2012 at 12:55 AM

Aww, you sound like you know a thing or two about ‘plants’ :) like in that saying : It takes one to know one :) …

jimver on October 17, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Quick, everyone one go to the open thread and write something brilliant. It is 15 shy of 5000!!!!

Cindy Munford on October 17, 2012 at 1:16 AM

How’d I do?

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 1:19 AM

All politics aside, after watching the debate, which of the two guys seemed like someone you’d want to invite over for dinner?
bluegill on October 17, 2012 at 12:54 AM

Paul Ryan, ’cause he’d wash the dishes afterward.

Mitsouko on October 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Loooool :)

jimver on October 17, 2012 at 1:19 AM

Crowley now saying Romney was actually correct about Lybia and the declaration of a terror attack?! Are you friggin’ kidding me?! Why didn’t you keep your mouth shut during the debate then? Your only job was to wait for Romney’s answer and say “Mr President: want to reply to what Gov. Romney said?”. Was that so hard to get through your partisan head?

Good Lord.

ptcamn on October 17, 2012 at 1:20 AM

OT: Ed Henry of Fox (still reports w his crappy CNN smirk; I say send him back) stated that RR just announced another $11 MM swing state buy effective immediately for the next 6 days alone.

matthew8787 on October 17, 2012 at 12:55 AM

Who is RR?

JohnGalt23 on October 17, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Aww, you sound like you know a thing or two about ‘plants’ :) like in that saying : It takes one to know one :) …

jimver on October 17, 2012 at 1:18 AM

rofl..That is going to leave a mark..:)

Dire Straits on October 17, 2012 at 1:21 AM

She would keep you warm out in the barn.

arnold ziffel on October 17, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Lol! Wait….Ick!……wait……lol! What the heII. Lol!

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 1:21 AM

I’ll be here after the debate and after the snap polls have declared Obama the winner and he’s being lauded by the pundits, while Romney had an “off night.”

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Wrong again. Quit coming on here and embarassing yourself. I am actually starting to feel bad for you.

anchorman on October 17, 2012 at 1:21 AM

RE:LIBYA!

Timeline: Obama Admin Took 16 Hours to Disavow Embassy Apology

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/12/Why-Did-it-Take-16-Hours-for-Obama-Admin-to-Disavow-Embassy-s-Apology-Statement

canopfor on October 17, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Who is RR?

JohnGalt23 on October 17, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Romney/Ryan I presume.

GOPRanknFile on October 17, 2012 at 1:21 AM

All politics aside, after watching the debate, which of the two guys seemed like someone you’d want to invite over for dinner?
bluegill on October 17, 2012 at 12:54 AM

Romney. He sounds like a guy you can have a meaningful conversation with on a number of topics.

ptcamn on October 17, 2012 at 1:22 AM

Quick, everyone one go to the open thread and write something brilliant. It is 15 shy of 5000!!!!

Cindy Munford on October 17, 2012 at 1:16 AM

I”‘m sure gumbey will oblige :) … not with the brilliancy part, with the writing/posting :)…

jimver on October 17, 2012 at 1:22 AM

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