Wrap up: The second debate; Update: Obama wins CBS insta-poll narrowly, but Romney wins big on economy; Update: Actually, Romney had a point, says Crowley

posted at 11:19 pm on October 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

The consensus among the righties that I follow on Twitter is that it was a push, with Romney acing his answer on the economy and underperforming when he finally took on The One on Libya. Better that than vice versa, though: As Ben Domenech said, only one of those is an issue that people will vote on.

There were several key exchanges — the staredown on energy, Romney politely distancing himself from Bush — but I’m giving you the economy and Libya answers below, via the Examiner and Daily Caller, respectively. Romney seemed unprepared for the pushback from Obama and his pal Candy on what he said about “acts of terror” in the Rose Garden on September 12; The One now wants us to believe that he was forthright about calling it a terrorist attack all along, when in fact he was so coy and evasive that Jay Carney had to clarify his view for the press more than two weeks later. Romney didn’t chase him on that or on all the other nonsense in the aftermath — blaming a “spontaneous protest” when even the earliest intel suggested a terror attack, running ads in Pakistan groveling over a private citizen’s insult to Mohammed, the snowballing revelations about just how indifferent State was to Chris Stevens’s security, etc. O even got to play the part of the indignant C-in-C, declaring how offended he was that anyone would accuse him of playing politics with this issue when, in fact, he’s been playing politics with it since day one. And of course, just as I expected, he finally took meaningless symbolic responsibility for the Benghazi security failure now that Hillary had covered his ass by taking responsibility herself last night.

The good news? Mitt gets another crack at the Libya attack in the next debate, which will focus exclusively on foreign policy. He’ll be very well prepared, rest assured. And since most of the media’s coverage tomorrow will focus on the Libya exchange tonight, that issue will continue to get plenty of coverage for the rest of the week. I can live with that. Exit quotation from Ben Smith: “Romney did, again, come away looking like a guy who could be president, which is probably the most important thing.” Yep.


Update: Here’s something else I can live with:

I’d much, much rather have had Romney make a strong impression on the economy than “win” overall with barely more than a one-third plurality. If you think undecideds are going to go into the booth in November and think hard about jobs, then these are the numbers you want to see.

Update: Like I said up top:

After that generic reference to “acts of terror” in the Rose Garden — which was so generic that the media forgot all about it for weeks afterward — the White House strained very hard not to call this a terror attack. They desperately wanted it to be a protest that got out of hand, all thanks to that Mohammed movie. If it’s a terror attack, then the administration has to explain why they didn’t see it coming and why The Man Who Got Bin Laden somehow let his ambassador’s compound be overrun by an Al Qaeda affiliate. Which narrative is better if you’re running a reelection campaign?

Update: I didn’t see it, but the word on Twitter is that Frank Luntz’s focus group tonight on Fox was simply brutal to Obama.

Update: I’m hearing now that Anderson Cooper challenged Crowley’s spin on the “acts of terror” comment on CNN’s post-debate show. Jay Cost is right, as usual:

Update: Note to David Axelrod: You sure you want to spend another media cycle or three on Libya?

Update: Via the Washington Free Beacon, here’s O conspicuously refusing to use the T-word to describe Benghazi — on September 25.

Update: NRO’s Patrick Brennan on why Obama’s “acts of terror” reference in the Rose Garden on September 12 wasn’t really a reference to Benghazi:

His only mention of “terror”:

“No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America.”

One could take that as a reference to acts which include the tragedy in Benghazi, obviously, but there was clearly no effort made to label it an act of terrorism. One reason why this might be: According to U.S. law, acts of terrorism are premeditated. The Obama administration’s line for days following Obama’s Rose Garden statement suggested that the attack wasn’t premeditated.

Update: Via the Examiner, now she tells us:

Upwards of 60 million people likely watched her side with Obama on Libya during the debate. How many saw this clip on CNN’s post-game show? One million, maybe?


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Why would that be a FB page? He said he had his staff provide him with names of women who could fill Cabinet positions in MA…is there something wrong with that?

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

I don’t know, but it looks like that is going to be the comment they try to turn into a gaffe. They are desperate to get the old narrative back about Romney but he hasn’t given them anything in these debates or in any interviews lately.

rockmom on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

told you so, told you so….

the polls will be VERY fun in a few days!

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

He had another seizure but is back at work – yeah!

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

That is good news he is okay..But could be a cause for concern if it continues..I wish him and the Gophers the best of luck..Hope the doctors can figure it out!!..:)

Dire Straits on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Fast and Furious was a no go for BHO and his moderator…

d1carter on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Why did I get the impression this was the first time anyone in the audience, and maybe the moderator, had ever heard of F&F?

MrLynn on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

@ppppolls: Colorado voters give Obama 48/44 victory in the debate—more importantly 58/36 among independents.

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Your president lied. He doesn’t deserve another single day in the Oval Office. He’s a lying disgrace.

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

“CNN has a flash poll of registered voters showing 0 won by 7. It’s significant, but not likely to turn things around.”

That is actually not bad at all. They have it 46-39 with a margin of error of 4.5% among registered voters. CNN is calling it “basically a draw,” on their website. I like that result a lot. It basically does not outright reverse Romneys momentum, but merely stops a lot of the bleeding for Obama (big difference). Romney can still have the structural momentum while Obama is not in a free fall.

This was the result I was expecting, and the result I am very comfortable with.

Indy82 on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

An ambassador died. Obama lied (and partied in Vegas).

bitsy on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

jay cost is right.

Benghazi lives, but Ambassador still dead.

check back tomorrow, Obama campaign may be the same.

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Zeke Miller ‏@ZekeJMiller

RT @woodhouseb: The CNN poll is +8 R and Obama still won in that skewed poll, 46-39. Tells you how big his win actually was.

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

You know what, screw the Romney campaign for agreeing to these liberal hacks as moderators. These are self inflicted wounds.

I had previously labeled Crowley as a liberal but fair journalist because of past coverage I had seen, but when it came to the most vulnerable issue for her favorite President she just couldn’t contain herself.

I had figured Obama was playing semantics and Crowley was playing along with him, but Romney completely dropped the ball. Don’t be surprised if Obama orders a strike against some random Jihadists in Libya to avoid further scrutiny on this issue in the next debate.

This whole incident knocked Romney off his game for the rest of the debate, it clearly left him bewildered and he didn’t fully recover. That fat cow won’t be held responsible either.

The Libyan government itself was practically screaming that it was an organized attack while Obama’s people were apologizing for that youtube video.

Daemonocracy on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

It was the way he phrased it, “binders full of women.” So yes, to answer rockmom, it is the Big Bird moment of the debate.

Equally picayune, equally self-defeating, equally ineffective. Congrats, libs!

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

They’re latching onto THAT as a big deal? Insanity. That’s why I hate these things.

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

This is not one of those times where it is better to ask for forgiveness than permission. She should not have inserted herself. It’s like the corrections of a front page story on page 26.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

She just created the news cycle for the rest of the week. Forget the debate it will be all about how Obama lied/CC lied/Mitt was right.

I think we need to send her a fruit basket!

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Update: I didn’t see it, but the word on Twitter is that Frank Luntz’s focus group tonight on Fox was simply brutal to Obama.

It was.

Most of the group has switched to Mitt. Except for the feminazi that said Romney would take them back to the stone ages on women’s rights.

Interestingly, another woman challenged her and said where had Mitt ever said he’d reduce womens rights.

Crickets from feminazi.

BacaDog on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

I’m sorry, but you’re 100% wrong about Bob Schieffer. I will guarantee he will be the worst of the four moderators. He’s been an absolute shill for Obama on Face The Nation all year long. He’s old and half senile and this is the last debate and he won’t give a damn what anyone says, he’s going to help Obama because he wants him to win.

rockmom on October 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

I don’t agree. When he interviews Romney, he throws softball after softball. That just isn’t done when you want to make a guy look bad. And he wasn’t an advocate in the ’08 debate he moderated either.

But we’ll have to agree to disagree.

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM

So…being that Crowley allowed Obama 4 more minutes than Romney, refused to let Romney rebut at all on important questions, and actually interceded and lied for Obama on the Benghazi/ Rose Garden debacle…

Do you suppose for the final debate, a formal debate, not a ‘townhall style’ debate, on foreign policy only…

that the Democrats will just go all the way and let Michelle and/or Jarrett be the moderator(s)?

I mean, outside of Axelrod… who else could possibly be more biased and in the tank for Obama than Crowley was tonight?

thatsafactjack on October 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM

See the Crowly Libya issue is blowing up already.

Zomcon JEM on October 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM

picklesgap on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Exactly….
This keeps Bengahzai in the news when Obama wants to talk about the war on Women and Big Bird.

The foreign policy debate is going to be a disaster for Obama.

His surge has failed in Afghanistan…..the “training” of Afghans has turned into a Soldiers shooting gallery…..Al-qaeda and the Taliban have reopened training camps across the country…..

Libya is a disaster that Obama’s war without Congressional approval has turned over large areas over to al-qaeda…..

……Israeli/Palistinian relations are worse than ever….

….Russia is pulling out of Treaty’s ….

………….Pakistan has taken our money and is supporting terror more than ever…..

…..al-qaeda has grown in strength across the muslim world….

……….Obama has supported an Arab spring that has turned countries like Egypt over to the Muslim Brotherhood….

….has sat by and watched major slaughter going on in Syria while launching a war in Libya to “stop a massacre”……

Iran is closer than ever to the bomb with all of Obama’s butt kissing having zero effect.

Benghazi…..Benghazi…..Benghazi….Benghazi…..

This town hall was Obama’s last chance…..and like “Hope and Change”…he failed.

Baxter Greene on October 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM

That’s a heckuva tie on Bobby Jindal. I like it!

SouthernGent on October 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM

LOL! Me too!

ghostwriter on October 16, 2012 at 11:45 PM

You like my TV?

;)

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Romney won the debate. We’ll see which candidate uses clips from the debate in new ads. The answer: Romney.

That said, Romney should not have questioned Obama about the word terror; he should have said the video was blamed for weeks, including by Susan Rice.

This Romney questioning of Obama did not work on several occasions tonight.

Indict Obama, don’t engage him or question him.

matthew8787 on October 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM

It was the way he phrased it, “binders full of women.” So yes, to answer rockmom, it is the Big Bird moment of the debate.

Equally picayune, equally self-defeating, equally ineffective. Congrats, libs!

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

If it’s possible, it was even sillier than Big Bird.

INC on October 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Romney asked Obama direct questions twice during second debate on Tuesday night, violating debate rules – @thehill

16 mins ago from thehill.com by editor
==============================================

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/262427-romney-breaks-debate-rule-on-not-asking-direct-questions

Somebody needs a whaaambulance!

Resist We Much on October 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM

“Gumby, you’re so precious!

More than 50% of those that viewed the VP debate were over 55, how many of those people do you think rushed to websites to vote on who won? Who is more likely to vote?

There is a reason that it says “NOT A SCIENTIFIC POLL.”

You actually act like online polls mean something. I bet you participate in the best dressed polls on People on Oscar night, too.

lol

Resist We Much on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM”

How is the CNN poll not a scientific poll?

Romney is getting clobbered in every poll out (PPP, CBS, CNN). He blew his slight chance at winning the election.

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

It’s a given that Barry doesn’t attend Intelligence briefings (he’s too smart).
It was apparent that the IC was pushing the 9/11 anniversary as far back as April as a potential threat to the “many families that I know” and put in positions of(campaign paybacks)dignitary influence.
Then all of these people are in harm’s way due to the need for Barry to contain and keep control of one thing.
His image.
He ought to tried for man slaughter at the very least.

OkieDoc on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Oh noes! Romney breaks the rules: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/262427-romney-breaks-debate-rule-on-not-asking-direct-questions

davidk on October 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Honey badger don’t care.

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Crowley’s wrongheaded defense of Obama is just emblematic of what the press has done for him for the last 5 weeks…..and longer for that matter. She was wrong, she defended him and he was wrong, and they’re both wearing egg on their face while 4 Americans are still dead.

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

The Luntz groups WAS brutal. They had 24 “undecideds”, most of whom voted for Obama in 2008. After the debate 17 of them quickly acknowledged that they were voting for Romney because he looked more presidential and poised and sincere, while Obama was always defensive and evasive. The had more insights than I did, but then I wasn’t watching this as an undecided voter… they saw more details than I did. And I’m proud of them.

pfw51 on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

davidk on October 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM

You mean like Obama constantly interrupting, and Crowley allowing Obama an extra 4 minutes while not allowing Romney to rebut on critical questions and actually interceding and lying for Obama on Benghazi/Rose Garden question? Like that?

thatsafactjack on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

They’re latching onto THAT as a big deal? Insanity. That’s why I hate these things.

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

When you have nothing (the Libya “fact-check” is being discredited as we speak), you throw globs of [spaghetti] against the wall hoping something will stick.

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Mike Allen is a mouse of a man. He knows BHO and Candy lied to the American people about Benghazi for two weeks.

d1carter on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

I thought the polls were going to turn around after the jobs report. What happened there?

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM

@ppppolls: 37% in Colorado say they’re more likely to vote for Obama after debate, 36% Romney, 27% say no difference: http://t.co/KCxNiB6W

mrscullen on October 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Bottom line Romney came across as a smart, capable guy who wants the job to turn around the economy and our disastrous foreign policy and will work with congress to do it.

Obama came across as an angry guy who has no plan & a lousy record.

This analysis from my 22 year old daughter living in Philadelphia, just out of college and working 3 part-time jobs…

workingclass artist on October 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

No feeding LSD to the trolls Please!

WhoU4 on October 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

She just created the news cycle for the rest of the week. Forget the debate it will be all about how Obama lied/CC lied/Mitt was right.

I think we need to send her a fruit basket!

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

She also proves the Conservative assertion that the moderators are biased. That should be as big a deal as the two idiots lying about the president’s comments.

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM

the polls will be VERY fun in a few days!

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Yep. Especially the one’s showing Romney gaining more momentum in the swing states.

And forcing Bambi and the team to spend to defend.

BacaDog on October 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM

That 37% would assuredly be all people ALREADY supporting Obama. The undecideds were most likely all lumped into the tie. If neither candidate can get their entire base (about 45% for each) to declare them a winner, then neither won.

The economy win for Romney though, 65%? That means he carried his base, Undecideds, and a few Democrats on that issue. Considering it is the one issue people will be voting on in this election that is a big deal.

eski502 on October 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Romney is getting clobbered in every poll out (PPP, CBS, CNN). He blew his slight chance at winning the election.

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Bless your heart. You are just bursting with stupidity.

cozmo on October 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Somebody needs a whaaambulance!

Well, then we shouldn’t complain about Candy or the -4 minutes.

newtopia on October 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Keep dreaming, Obama tard.

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM

WHO IS MODERATING THE OCT. 22 Debate?

Michelle or Valerie?

Since, surely, the Democrats couldn’t find anyone more biased and willing to ‘got the extra mile’ for Barry than Crowley short of Michelle or Valerie Jarrett.

thatsafactjack on October 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Ok, I’m not a debate historian and I didn’t watch live, but can someone explain why she had the exact Rose Garden transcript to “correct” Mitt? Is the moderator having specific information like that unusual? Never mind how she used it…I want to know why she had it in the first place?

Isn’t that the question?

The Hammer on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

She didn’t have a transcript, she just very authoritatively confirmed that Obama called the specific attack in Lybia terrorism when he didn’t.

karenhasfreedom on October 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM

At the end of day Romney still won on the issue that will decide this election (like most elections) which is the economy and the financial health of the country.

It is what killed the GOP in 2008 and what is going to sink Obama in 2012. Many low information and swing voting Americans deep down don’t give a rats ass about Syria (unless it becomes an obvious danger to them), planned parenthood, gay marriage, obscure bills no one has heard of, free condoms, a community college in Nassau, etc., etc…..

William Eaton on October 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM

RT @woodhouseb: The CNN poll is +8 R and Obama still won in that skewed poll, 46-39. Tells you how big his win actually was.

33-33 is GOP +8? No wonder your prez can’t balance the budget. @BenLaBolt: CNN poll was GOP + EIGHT. And @BarackObama still big winner.
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texgal on October 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Gumbyandpokey, like the floating s**t that won’t flush.

mpthompson on October 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM

I think we need to send her a fruit basket!

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

+ 100..I agree..:)

Dire Straits on October 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM

She also proves the Conservative assertion that the moderators are biased. That should be as big a deal as the two idiots lying about the president’s comments.

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Exactly and with two really bad moderators in a row – old Bob is going to have to be on his best behavior.

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

What’s with this “binders of women” comment by Romney? Lefties on Facebook already started a page and it has over 35,000 Likes. Is that going to be the “Big Bird” of this debate?

rockmom on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Gawd that is so stupid. He said “binders of women” meaning he had binders full of women’s resumes that his staff gathered. It was simply, as 0bama would say, inartful wording.

Brat on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Dire Straits on October 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM

If it’s for Crowley, you’d better make it a banana boat!

thatsafactjack on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Best line of the night.

Bambi saying he’d improve things over the next 4 years. Romney saying what were you doing during the last 4?

BacaDog on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

thatsafactjack on October 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM

LoLz..Good one!..:)

Dire Straits on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

An ambassador died. Obama lied (and partied in Vegas).

bitsy on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Obama campaigned and no press complained.

29Victor on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Honey badger don’t care.

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

lol.

newtopia on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

I thought the polls were going to turn around after the jobs report. What happened there?

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM

No, it was after the jobs report, after the new GDP numbers, after the VP debate.. and you know.. so on and so forth.

ShadowsPawn on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

This whole incident knocked Romney off his game for the rest of the debate, it clearly left him bewildered and he didn’t fully recover.

Daemonocracy on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Actually, Romney’s most blistering indictment of Obama’s failed presidency came after that dust-up, so I don’t think I agree. And the fallout over Crowley’s inserting herself to lie about a lie is going to keep Benghazi in the news until the foreign policy debate.

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

I think we need to send her a fruit basket!

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

You mean like the audience?

davidk on October 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Has gumby finally admitted he’s an obama voter? Or is he still pushing the “truecon” bs?

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM

WHO IS MODERATING THE OCT. 22 Debate?

Michelle or Valerie?

Since, surely, the Democrats couldn’t find anyone more biased and willing to ‘got the extra mile’ for Barry than Crowley short of Michelle or Valerie Jarrett.

thatsafactjack on October 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Bob Schieffer from CBS news. You know, the Dan Rather network. No bias there!

SouthernGent on October 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM

told you so, told you so….

the polls will be VERY fun in a few days!

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

..yea…you also told us that 7.8% unemployment numbers was like an “atomic bomb” being dropped on the Romney campaign…

……..only to have Romney blow by Obama nationally and in the swing states.

Your “I told you so’s” are worth about as much as an Obama promise.

Baxter Greene on October 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Candy Crowley…

A few more genes less and she’s as good as Honey Boo Boo’s mom.

SauerKraut537 on October 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM

I’m a 57 year old guy who is semi-lax in grooming, etc. but I think I’ll let Lorien hit that leathery and dirty ol’ piece…

OmahaConservative on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

I’m just a ‘dummy’ like you said, so I was just checking. She has courage to put herself out there as have I. Do you? You can link to me here from my screenname/handle, btw. She is obviously obese and you may be ‘lacking in grooming’, but do you honestly believe that I’m a thoughtless ‘dummy’ as you stated without knowing me or me stating that to you directly? All just because I wasn’t enamored by a meaningless snapshot of the debate posted on Drudge which happens to be a cheap thoughtless thrill?

After watching this, perhaps a more effective description of me would be that I ‘lack a sense of humor’ (also specious) but that I’m definitely not a ‘dummy?’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWukXkPB_iQ

Corporal Tunnel on October 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM

@michaeljknowles: Candy Crowley: “Romney was right on Libya.” Woops! http://t.co/OYjcIBAn

mrscullen on October 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM

told you so, told you so….
the polls will be VERY fun in a few days!
gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

You are right. The polls will be fun in the next couple of days. However, they won’t be fun for you, an Obama supporter. The polls will be very fun for those of us who know that Obama will be and must be defeated. Expect more bad news for Obama in the next week.

If this was Obama’s one big chance to turn around the continuing Romney surge, then Obama continues to be in big trouble. Polls show that voters believe Romney was much, much stronger on the economy. Obama didn’t have anything new to offer, and he came across very unlikable the night.

bluegill on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

yes the will

gerrym51 on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

PPP InComing………………………….

PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls

37% in Colorado say they’re more likely to vote for Obama after debate, 36% Romney, 27% say no difference: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/ColoradoPostDebatePoll.pdf
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PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls

People who watched on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, and PBS in CO think Obama won. C-Span, ABC, Fox News, Fox viewers for Mitt: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/ColoradoPostDebatePoll.pdf
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PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls

Among moderate voters in Colorado 63% think Obama won the debate to 27% for Romney: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/ColoradoPostDebatePoll.pdf
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PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls

Voters in Colorado who watched the debate on Fox News think Romney won 65-27, MSNBC watchers 71-27 for Obama: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/ColoradoPostDebatePoll.pdf
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PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls

Hispanics in Colorado think Obama won the debate 61-32. Slight edge for Romney among whites, 47-45: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/ColoradoPostDebatePoll.pdf
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PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls

Pretty predictable partisan responses to the debate in CO- 78% of Dems say Obama won, 77% of Republicans for Romney: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/ColoradoPostDebatePoll.pdf
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PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls

Obama won narrowly among both men (48-43) and women (49-46) in Colorado: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/ColoradoPostDebatePoll.pdf
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PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls

Here’s our full post-debate poll from swing state Colorado, where voters say Obama won 48-44: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011

https://twitter.com/ppppolls

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

I agree that Benghazi will be front and center in the news, that will be great.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

See the Crowly Libya issue is blowing up already.

Zomcon JEM on October 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM

That is a good thing!..Turn on the light and watch the roaches run!!..:)

Dire Straits on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

How is the CNN poll not a scientific poll?

Romney is getting clobbered in every poll out (PPP, CBS, CNN). He blew his slight chance at winning the election.

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

If you’re so certain lets make a $100 bet right now

bgibbs1000 on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

I’m thinking there are two small things that need to blow into big things….

On the obviously planted “war on women” question – why does Obama feel that abortion is what will benefit women in the work place?

and then the planted “gun control” question – That one needs to be a 24/7 ad. The national demographics run hard against Obama on gun control issues.

2nd Ammendment Mother on October 16, 2012 at 11:56 PM

CNN Poll: Romney won on the economy 58%-40%.

midgeorgian on October 16, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Obama actually cut permits of drilling on federal land by 62 percent.

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:56 PM

SouthernGent on October 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Yes. I’d heard that… but, surely, Bob isn’t reliable enough or vociferous enough to entrust with the last debate. Not after that ‘feisty’ showing by Crowley! :)

thatsafactjack on October 16, 2012 at 11:56 PM

told you so, told you so….

the polls will be VERY fun in a few days!

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

It’s kinda weird, but viewership seems to have been VERY significantly Republican. So, pray tell, how does that result in changes to voting polls if indeed Obama ‘won’ the debate?

But hey, you keep right on dancing and playing in traffic.

M240H on October 16, 2012 at 11:56 PM

CNN Confirms CBS: 58-40% in Romney’s favor on Economy; 49-46 R on health care; 51-44 R on taxes; 59-36 R on Deficit.

Suck it gumby.

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Update: I didn’t see it, but the word on Twitter is that Frank Luntz’s focus group tonight on Fox was simply brutal to Obama.

Luntz, love him or hate him, is very good at screening his focus groups, almost overly so in an effort to protect his brand. I could not believe how may of these undecideds went for Romney, some of whom had voted for Obama in 2008. While I saw Obama being a lot stronger in this debate than the first, maybe I caught the Allahpundit Eeyore bug, this focus group dispelled it completely.

It has reinforced my belief that we’re talking (shhhh) landslide.

TXUS on October 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Any one else struck by how instantaneously familiar Crowley was with the Rose Garden speech? Might a transcript have shown up in her in box recently?

Argonaut USA on October 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Candy proved tonight why women are paid less.

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faraway on October 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM

the polls will be VERY fun in a few days!

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

You keep saying this, and then you keep not showing up to eat crow when you’re wrong.

Bless your pea pickin’ heart.

fossten on October 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM

@AceofSpadesHQ CNN Confirms CBS: 58-40% in Romney’s favor on Economy; 49-46 R on health care; 51-44 R on taxes; 59-36 R on Deficit.

midgeorgian on October 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Rumor has it that it was Michelle who started the clapping in the audience when Candy threw her boyfriend a life line on the Lybia question…

… anyone see that?

Seven Percent Solution on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

I saw an overhead shot of a black woman applauding for Obama. I don’t think it was Moochelle based on the hairstyle, but regardless it was inappropriate.

As for the debate overall, Obama did perform better, but the problem is that much like Bite Me last Thursday, he had to lie his ass off in order to score points. Interestingly enough, the one that’ll be getting the most play tomorrow is again on Libya. And to make matters worse, Candy Kinison made it an even bigger issue than it needed to be by inserting herself into the exchange and covering for Obama with misinformation that she’s already been fact-checked on(even by her own network).

I guess it depends on how people interpret Obama’s better performance. He still didn’t lay out an agenda for a second term. He made little effort to defend his first 4 years. And he offered many of the same talking points and strawman arguments as in Denver. He may have been more forceful and direct(it helps when the biased moderator gives you 4 additional minutes to speak), but did undecideds really learn anything new this go around?

As for Romney, he was solid like last time. Not as effective overall, in large part due to the format and more interruptions from Kinison vs. Lehrer’s more laid-back style of moderation. I did think he whiffed a bit on Susan Rice’s remarks on Libya, although again Candy’s interference played a huge role in that. And I didn’t think the cross-examination attempts on Obama were successful. Just say what you wanna say, Governor. Trust me, there’s no way you’ll ever get the truth out of Obama, no matter how many times you repeat the question.

I do think Romney was better on the economy(as the CBS poll affirms) and that may prevent any bounce in the polls for Obama going forward. And if it gains life in the press(always a big question mark with the drive-bys), that Libya exchange could come back and bite Obama in the ass. The last thing his campaign wants is to have to deal with the act of terror vs. YouTube video/spontaneous demonstrations issue for the next 6 days leading up to the final debate which focuses solely on foreign policy.

Doughboy on October 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Has gumby finally admitted he’s an obama voter? Or is he still pushing the “truecon” bs?

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM

No, he doubled down that on BS earlier, yet we get this quote:

told you so, told you so….

the polls will be VERY fun in a few days!

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

If you were not supporting Romney, then how would (in your mind) Obama’s poll numbers improving be something to celebrate?

You are a lying troll.

ShadowsPawn on October 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Breaking: Crowley just admitted she was wrong when she bailed out Obama.

fossten on October 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Your “I told you so’s” are worth about as much as an Obama promise.

Baxter Greene on October 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM

lolz..Great point..Those promises tend to have a lot of “brown” material on them..:)

Dire Straits on October 16, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Bob Schieffer from CBS news. You know, the Dan Rather network. No bias there!

SouthernGent on October 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM

The Romney campaign should say they’re not going to debate unless Bret Baier from Fox is the moderator.

2 libs is enough.

BacaDog on October 16, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Has gumby finally admitted he’s an obama voter? Or is he still pushing the “truecon” bs?
wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Yes, he has already admitted that he is a proud Obama voter. Sometimes, however, he still pretends to be a conservative because he believes that his spam will be more effective if people think it is coming from a Republican voter.

bluegill on October 16, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Actually, Romney’s most blistering indictment of Obama’s failed presidency came after that dust-up, so I don’t think I agree. And the fallout over Crowley’s inserting herself to lie about a lie is going to keep Benghazi in the news until the foreign policy debate.

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

I felt Romney’s best moment was when the black man challenged Obama on why he should vote for him since the economy was so rough (or something along those lines), and Romney knocked that out of the park. I am pretty sure that happened before the Libya question.

Daemonocracy on October 16, 2012 at 11:58 PM

HAHAHAHA

So after Obama’s “WIN” all everyone is talking about is Crowley and Obama’s gaffe.

El_Terrible on October 16, 2012 at 11:58 PM

It’s a given that Barry doesn’t attend Intelligence briefings (he’s too smart).
It was apparent that the IC was pushing the 9/11 anniversary as far back as April as a potential threat to the “many families that I know” and put in positions of(campaign paybacks)dignitary influence.
Then all of these people are in harm’s way due to the need for Barry to contain and keep control of one thing.
His image.
He ought to tried for man slaughter at the very least.

OkieDoc on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Mary Mauldin @marymauldin

RT @ellencarmichael: SEPTEMBER 19, 2012: White House Press Secretary Carney: “We Have No Evidence Of A Preplanned Or Premeditated Attack.”
Retweeted by EdMorrissey

So, either the Obama admin is either inept or woefully ingnorant.
Wow! Lead ON!

(PS, I hate to say I told you so)

OkieDoc on October 16, 2012 at 11:58 PM

batter on October 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Correction: On another listen he mentions “acts of terror” (4:16) but in reference to US military/foreign service for freedom around the globe and not in reference to the attack itself. He never once specifically referred to Benghazi as an act of terror (rather he said attack/attackers/act/killers).

Furthermore, and more telling, he clearly was intimating the video was to blame with this line at 1:18:

“Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence.”

What other reason would that be in his speech unless it was in reference to the proven false video narrative his admin subsequently pushed for weeks after the attack?…

batter on October 16, 2012 at 11:58 PM

They’re latching onto THAT as a big deal? Insanity. That’s why I hate these things.

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Look at it this way: The fact that “Binders full of women” is a thing is a sign that people are tired of defending Obama and have resigned themselves of four years of making fun of President Mitt Romney.

thebrokenrattle on October 16, 2012 at 11:58 PM

I honestly thought this debate was a more decisive victory for Romney than the first was. Romney won the first debate by simply showing up and being a real and competent candidate. Obama lost the first debate by simply showing up and being a real and incompetent candidate.

However, the expectations may have changed since then… Anyway, I thought Romney was strong and aggressive and in command. Obama seemed weak. He was wearing his mom jeans again.

But the pundits are going to spin this as an Obama victory regardless.

jhffmn on October 16, 2012 at 11:58 PM

told you so, told you so….

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

My 3 month old is more mature than you.

ShadowsPawn on October 16, 2012 at 11:58 PM

NN/ORC International survey indicates 46% of debate watches say Obama won the debate, while 39% say Romney fared better – @CNN

10 mins ago by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM

I have to ask this. O said that he has cut taxes for small businesses 18 times. What the he!! was he talking about? Was this another pulled out of his arse number and if not, when did he do this? Trolls, please respond.

texgal on October 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Sununu is an awesome spokesman!

ccrosby on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Too bad Sununu talked Bush41 into nominating David Souter to the SCOTUS. That is something I can never forgive him for.

bw222 on October 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM

NBC poll. Weight in. Don’t let the Marxist win. We can worry about GOP betrayal after Romney wins the election.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/16/14493000-did-the-second-presidential-debate-do-anything-to-influence-who-you-will-support-in-the-election?lite

True_King on October 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Luntz’s Dunces swing big towards Romney.

Physics Geek on October 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Okay. CNN’s poll has Obama winning the debate by 7, but on issues of health care, economy, and deficit, Romney wins.

Not sure I get it. Maybe people cut 0 slack because he didn’t do as poorly as Debate I…

JohnGalt23 on October 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Breaking: Crowley just admitted she was wrong when she bailed out Obama.

fossten on October 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Link??

BacaDog on October 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM

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