Wrap up: The second debate; Update: Obama wins CBS insta-poll narrowly, but Romney wins big on economy; Update: Actually, Romney had a point, says Crowley

posted at 11:19 pm on October 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

The consensus among the righties that I follow on Twitter is that it was a push, with Romney acing his answer on the economy and underperforming when he finally took on The One on Libya. Better that than vice versa, though: As Ben Domenech said, only one of those is an issue that people will vote on.

There were several key exchanges — the staredown on energy, Romney politely distancing himself from Bush — but I’m giving you the economy and Libya answers below, via the Examiner and Daily Caller, respectively. Romney seemed unprepared for the pushback from Obama and his pal Candy on what he said about “acts of terror” in the Rose Garden on September 12; The One now wants us to believe that he was forthright about calling it a terrorist attack all along, when in fact he was so coy and evasive that Jay Carney had to clarify his view for the press more than two weeks later. Romney didn’t chase him on that or on all the other nonsense in the aftermath — blaming a “spontaneous protest” when even the earliest intel suggested a terror attack, running ads in Pakistan groveling over a private citizen’s insult to Mohammed, the snowballing revelations about just how indifferent State was to Chris Stevens’s security, etc. O even got to play the part of the indignant C-in-C, declaring how offended he was that anyone would accuse him of playing politics with this issue when, in fact, he’s been playing politics with it since day one. And of course, just as I expected, he finally took meaningless symbolic responsibility for the Benghazi security failure now that Hillary had covered his ass by taking responsibility herself last night.

The good news? Mitt gets another crack at the Libya attack in the next debate, which will focus exclusively on foreign policy. He’ll be very well prepared, rest assured. And since most of the media’s coverage tomorrow will focus on the Libya exchange tonight, that issue will continue to get plenty of coverage for the rest of the week. I can live with that. Exit quotation from Ben Smith: “Romney did, again, come away looking like a guy who could be president, which is probably the most important thing.” Yep.


Update: Here’s something else I can live with:

I’d much, much rather have had Romney make a strong impression on the economy than “win” overall with barely more than a one-third plurality. If you think undecideds are going to go into the booth in November and think hard about jobs, then these are the numbers you want to see.

Update: Like I said up top:

After that generic reference to “acts of terror” in the Rose Garden — which was so generic that the media forgot all about it for weeks afterward — the White House strained very hard not to call this a terror attack. They desperately wanted it to be a protest that got out of hand, all thanks to that Mohammed movie. If it’s a terror attack, then the administration has to explain why they didn’t see it coming and why The Man Who Got Bin Laden somehow let his ambassador’s compound be overrun by an Al Qaeda affiliate. Which narrative is better if you’re running a reelection campaign?

Update: I didn’t see it, but the word on Twitter is that Frank Luntz’s focus group tonight on Fox was simply brutal to Obama.

Update: I’m hearing now that Anderson Cooper challenged Crowley’s spin on the “acts of terror” comment on CNN’s post-debate show. Jay Cost is right, as usual:

Update: Note to David Axelrod: You sure you want to spend another media cycle or three on Libya?

Update: Via the Washington Free Beacon, here’s O conspicuously refusing to use the T-word to describe Benghazi — on September 25.

Update: NRO’s Patrick Brennan on why Obama’s “acts of terror” reference in the Rose Garden on September 12 wasn’t really a reference to Benghazi:

His only mention of “terror”:

“No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America.”

One could take that as a reference to acts which include the tragedy in Benghazi, obviously, but there was clearly no effort made to label it an act of terrorism. One reason why this might be: According to U.S. law, acts of terrorism are premeditated. The Obama administration’s line for days following Obama’s Rose Garden statement suggested that the attack wasn’t premeditated.

Update: Via the Examiner, now she tells us:

Upwards of 60 million people likely watched her side with Obama on Libya during the debate. How many saw this clip on CNN’s post-game show? One million, maybe?


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Undecideds on Luntz overwhelmingly for Romney. If that is the case, then Game, Set, Match.

Tater Salad on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

For real? Cool.

I always assume that undecided are either stupid, lying, completely uninformed or a combination of all of the above. It’s quite possible that this is the first time they’ve heard the truth about some of these issues. Of course, it’s also possible that they were swayed by Romney’s tie or just found out that Americans can vote for their president.

29Victor on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Spotting Obama 4 minutes of debate time, particularly when Crowley kept not letting Romney rebut on the important questions and outright changed the subject twice, once on Benghazi and once on Fast and Furious, gave Obama what should have amounted to a huge advantage. That it DIDN’T translate to a huge advantage speaks volumes about how bad Obama’s performance and defense of his record was, despite his interruptions and rudeness.

Obama, if nothing else, made it clear that he has no idea how to follow rules or protocols.

thatsafactjack on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

The Libya answer is PERFECT

think about it. Obama lied. Crowley lied.

THIS KEEPS THE LIBYA SCANDAL IN THE NEWS FOR THREE DAYS

The msm FINALLY has to cover Libya

Very nice “screw up”. It still helps mitt!

picklesgap on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Exactly right.

Let’s turn all those post-debate spotlights on the administration’s shameful handling of the Libya attack. Maybe a few undecideds will learn something.

ElectricPhase on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Romney needs to talk to Limbaugh about Libya. Rush was on fire last week.

bitsy on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

WaPo is calling Obama/Crowley’s fact check wrong – WAPO!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/16/fact-check-libya-attack/

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Romney called him out on the Vegas trip, called him out on F&F. These are things an inferior candidate would have never brought up. He wins on that merit alone. Let’s not forget that he completely crushed him on economic issues

1984 in real life on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

How many times was Romney refused rebuttal time, because she wanted to move on to the next asinine question?

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

I was yelling at my TV. I hate doing that because I really like my TV.

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Is that about right?

Man, it was only the second time my wife went shooting and she was getting 2″ groupings on .22, three different 9mm’s and a .40 at 25′. Talk about impressive.

cozmo on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Yeah, you’ve got it right. The important thing is Mitt more than held his own, the president looked shrill and petulant, and on the economy at least the message got through (it sucks, time for a change).

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

You have a big Candy ass moderator covering for a whiny, pathetic little ass.

bayview on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

heh, candy. ass. rino. Which is which?

faraway on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Is Mitt going to call F&F a foreign policy topic and hammer obama on it? It does have implications on our relationship with Mexico. A stretch, but also an opening.

freedomfirst on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

This debate was less important than the first one and the last one will be just about meaningless. Unless something truly earth shattering happens most people have made up their minds. The momentum continues to shift to Romney and he will win by 5 points.

Charlemagne on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

The GOPe will betray you!..:)

Dire Straits on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Romney won. Like any good fight – and this was a great one – the opponent landed some punches as well. But Romney won.

And the next news cycle is about Libya, courtesy of Candy’s erroneous statement.

Another good night for Romney.

The Resolute Desk on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Sununu is an awesome spokesman!

He’s even correcting Hannity for goodness sake!

ccrosby on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Points for Obama. Votes for Romney.

Curtiss on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

IIIIIII…ahhhh… don’t know… but I do get worried of anything that sounds loser talk.

Corporal Tunnel on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Cool! Maybe they do still have at least a nodding acquaintance with the truth.

thatsafactjack on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Ooo more Luntz porn

Lord of the Wings on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Hillary lit the fuse and threw it in Obama’s lap. She laughed tonight….

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Rope-a-dope?

conservative pilgrim on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

All that will be remembered is the Libya and live false fact check to save O at all costs even the truth.

tjexcite on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

I refused to watch the debate, but found these two clips interesting. Romney scorched Obama on the economy, and he raised repectful questions on Libya. Obama feigned indignation, but anyone who has been following this knows Romney was right and Obama, well, not.

Sheerq on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

TIGERS WIN!!!

rockmom on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls

Colorado voters give Obama a 48/44 victory in the debate- more importantly 58/36 among independents. Sample is R+3

https://twitter.com/ppppolls

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Oh, so it’s from Piss Poor Panderers. Having seen the numbers I was afraid it’s a real poll.

Archivarix on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Obama to Romney: “Mine’s not as big as yours.” Dumb thing for a guy to say in any context.

Curtiss on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

We can all argue he did not directly call it a terrorist act in that speech but the ambiguity will put the issue in O’s favor with a lot of voters. Best to move on from that moment and use different methods in the next debate. In the next debate bring up the general tone for the first few weeks after the attack, don’t focus on that rose garden speech.

deuce on October 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Except that he didn’t call it a terrorist attack on The View. So if it was a terrorist attack and he still went on The View…bad optics all around.

monalisa on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

What do you look like? I’ll bet you’re an Adonis. Really.

Corporal Tunnel on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

I’m a 57 year old guy who is semi-lax in grooming, etc. but I think I’ll let Lorien hit that leathery and dirty ol’ piece…

OmahaConservative on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Romney asked Obama direct questions twice during second debate on Tuesday night, violating debate rules – @thehill

16 mins ago from thehill.com by editor
==============================================

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/262427-romney-breaks-debate-rule-on-not-asking-direct-questions

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

No sir, you did not. Only KOTD.

Lanceman on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Ahem. You said “stick a fork” in Romney. I ask you, as a person of principle and honor, is that not bishing?

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Dude!

Justin Hart ‏@justin_hart

Candy Crowley now admitting Romney was right on Pres. Obama’s Libya remarks.
Retweeted by Hugh Hewitt

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Crowley shut down talk on Fast & Furious and shutdown Mitt long enough on Benghazi to give Obama time to hide behind the dead.

And the CNN Obama squad is now praising her for her performance as a great ‘moderator’.

Here’s an idea, let’s have poll of military veterans with campaign ribbons and ask them how they feel about any leader that utters the words “I had to receive those caskets…”

M240H on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Candy just admitted Romney was right on Libya!..:)

Dire Straits on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

I guess I had to expect Obama to do better than last time, he couldn’t do worse.

The plants with the BS questions were so obvious.

But Romney missed a few big ones. What’s with the focus on China? He kept harping on China as the source of outsourcing when it’s really the corporate tax rate and burdensome regulation. And Mitt KNOWS that. Most people don’t understand the minutiae of trade but they can understand that high taxes and thousands of regulations forces businesses overseas.

And Romney hemmed and hawed way too much about Libya. With the other two interrupting him before his time is up, he needed to be more clear and concise on his answers. When Obama said he called it a terrorist attack immediately, then Romney should have come back and asked him why he blamed it on the video as late as his UN speech?

I really hope Romney is using this as a practice session for next week’s foreign policy debate.

Common Sense on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Romney called him out on the Vegas trip, called him out on F&F. These are things an inferior candidate would have never brought up. He wins on that merit alone. Let’s not forget that he completely crushed him on economic issues

1984 in real life on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Yep. Compare that to McCain of four years ago. I particularly loved Mitt’s answer on gun control, when he talked about needing strong families.

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Romney didn’t chase him on that or on all the other nonsense in the aftermath — blaming a “spontaneous protest” when even the earliest intel suggested a terror attack, running ads in Pakistan groveling over a private citizen’s insult to Mohammed, the snowballing revelations about just how indifferent State was to Chris Stevens’s security, etc. O even got to play the part of the indignant C-in-C, declaring how offended he was that anyone would accuse him of playing politics with this issue when, in fact, he’s been playing politics with it since day one. And of course, just as I expected, he finally took meaningless symbolic responsibility for the Benghazi security failure now that Hillary had covered his ass by taking responsibility herself last night.

First, Obama never answered the question posed,”Who was responsible for denying the additional security requests in Libya?” I.e., who got those four Americans killed?

Second, doesn’t Obama stepping up accepting responsibilty for Benghazi after Hillary claimed responsibility exactly mirror Obama stepping up for gay marriage after Biden dropped that bomb first? It seems Obama can never be first within his own Administration.

parke on October 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Whoah!

ElectricPhase on October 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Ooooookay ! Slinking over to our FB page … God help me !!

pambi on October 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Fast and Furious was a no go for BHO and his moderator…

d1carter on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Not many people have heard of Obama’s Guns for Gangsters scandal.

Just another case of people dying and Obama dying.

Chip on October 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

As I said on the other thread, Obama will most assuredly not get similar cheating-level advocacy from Bob Schieffer. Not. At. All.

Schieffer’s a decrepit member in good standing of journalism’s old guard, which likely means (1) he’ll let Romney (and Obama) walk all over him, and (2) he was not pleased with Crowley’s on-site (and wrong) “fact-check,” and won’t be doing any of that.

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

I brought this comment over from the debate thread because as usual, our HotAir room mother nailed it perfectly:

You are right, Benghazi won’t the the issue people vote on but on how Obama handled it. Do you think W would have been reelected if Katrina had been in his first term? Benghazi is turning into Obama’s Katrina.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

And we still have the foreign policy debate to clear up the lies. Obama has no where to go on this.

karenhasfreedom on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Luntz’s group is devastating to Obama

Tater Salad on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

The GOPe will betray you!..:)

Dire Straits on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

They already have, my friend. They already have.

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

@ppppolls: Colorado voters give Obama 48/44 victory in the debate—more importantly 58/36 among independents.

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Correction:Just another case of people dying and Obama lying.

Chip on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

fossten on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

I sure hope you’re right!

KS Rex on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Romney didn’t chase him on that or on all the other nonsense in the aftermath — blaming a “spontaneous protest” when even the earliest intel suggested a terror attack

You can thank Crowley for that..under the circumstances, he was arguing with them both..She shut it down..next time Barack might not be so lucky.

Terrye on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Great news!..:)

PS..OT..What happened to MN Golden Gophers coach??..Is he okay??..:)

Dire Straits on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

I say fire her. Harsh? Perhaps, but here’s my reasoning. Anyone with a job, especially a high-paying one, should feel very fortunate right now. For those without a job, it’s a harsh environment out there, largely thanks to this President. Make one mistake in a job interview and it could kill your chances. In something as high-stakes as a presidential debate, when you have the moderator doing a shoddy fact-check for one side, that’s unacceptable. I have no sympathy for the idea that she should get a pass for such a horrible performance when there are plenty of people out there who could do a far better job.

NukeRidingCowboy on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

I just don’t understand why Romney did not mention Obama’s address to the UN. He still blamed it on the video. Why?

Birdseye on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

I missed the debate. From the few comments I was able to follow, Crowley was fully on 0bama’s side? Really?

Althouse, I like reading her take as a moderate who voted for the 0 last time, is PO’ed over this.

The libs here are crowing like it was a beatdown on Romney. Righties go for a draw or small Romney win. Squishy moderates are wetting their jammies.

Is that about right?

Man, it was only the second time my wife went shooting and she was getting 2″ groupings on .22, three different 9mm’s and a .40 at 25′. Talk about impressive.

cozmo on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

That’s about it. Krauthammer gave it to Obama narrowly on points, and I think that he is correct in his assessment. However, I don’t think that tonight changed the race. Romey still looked presidential and commanding, and Obama looked defensive.

ghostwriter on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Republicans think Benghazi is going to be a voting issue and I don’t think it is. The President took full responsibility as he should have.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Obama took responsibility for the lies that he and his administration told for 2 weeks?

He took responsibility for having the filmmaker arrested, perp-walked, put into solitary confinement in a Fed detention centre in LA (where he remains) and held without bail on an alleged probation violation?

Resist We Much on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Video? Video? Someone must have video!

This is our silver f*cking bullet in this whole debacle!

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Sad Joke considering Obama continued to interrupt Romney with comments continuously…

WhoU4 on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Your wrists must be hurting by now.

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Luntz’s Dunces indicated by a show of hands that Romney won the debate. It looked roughly 2-to-1 in favor of R.

Gideon7 on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Romney asked Obama direct questions twice during second debate on Tuesday night, violating debate rules – @thehill

16 mins ago from thehill.com by editor
==============================================

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/262427-romney-breaks-debate-rule-on-not-asking-direct-questions

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

I don’t have a problem with that. We had a moderator who was allowing Obama more time and was covering for his lies. Maybe it is time to play dirty.

Wendya on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

What’s with this “binders of women” comment by Romney? Lefties on Facebook already started a page and it has over 35,000 Likes. Is that going to be the “Big Bird” of this debate?

rockmom on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Ahem. You said “stick a fork” in Romney. I ask you, as a person of principle and honor, is that not bishing?

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

No. That’s my Gumbo act. RioLinda does it too. It’s kinda fun.

Lanceman on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

For the next week, we’ll be talking about Libya and Obama’s lie. That’s a win for the good guys.

ghostwriter on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Good summary, but you didn’t mention Obama depending on Candy to bail him out. That’s definitely unpresidential. But I guess Valerie does that for him frequently so he expects it.

It fits with what the Ulsterman Insider has said about Jarrett and Jim Lehrer.

The Insider claims that Jarrett ended up in a screaming match with one of David Plouffe’s underlings after Bambi bombed the first debate, ranting and raving about how she’d been told “he’s our man” and yet he didn’t save Obama from himself.

The implication of the story was that Candy would be expected to tag-team with Obama against Romney in the Town Hall debate, which is what ended up happening. Problem for them in this case is that the two of them just got caught telling a whopper that will resonate for a few news cycles after this debate.

teke184 on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Update: I didn’t see it, but the word on Twitter is that Frank Luntz’s focus group tonight on Fox was simply brutal to Obama.

The word on Twitter is in this case, dead-on accurate.

Gingotts on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Ok, I’m not a debate historian and I didn’t watch live, but can someone explain why she had the exact Rose Garden transcript to “correct” Mitt? Is the moderator having specific information like that unusual? Never mind how she used it…I want to know why she had it in the first place?

Isn’t that the question?

The Hammer on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Romeny looked so presidential even the Obama plants in the audience were calling him “President Romney” LoL.

bitsy on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Great news!..:)

PS..OT..What happened to MN Golden Gophers coach??..Is he okay??..:)

Dire Straits on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

He had another seizure but is back at work – yeah!

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

They already have, my friend. They already have.

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

LoLz..I liking it!!..:)

PS..I thought your take on the debate was spot on in the other thread!!..:)

Dire Straits on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Those are some mighty informed undecided voters in Nevada with Frank Luntz. It’s actually kind of refreshing.

SouthernGent on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

I did *not* like Romney’s answer on guns. There was a fantastic opportunity to defer to the U.S. Constitution in saying “I may personally believe in so-and-so, but that pesky shall not be infringed thing…”

Archivarix on October 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

what didn’t you like? Romney says enforce the laws we have, Obama says he wants a new law to outlaw the ever nebulously defined assault weapons. Sure, I’d like many gun laws repealed, but I’m not sure our national laws are unconstitutional. Now if you live in Illinois, for example, that’s another thing entirely.

Fenris on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Really? A CBS poll? A troll site & all they can get is a narrow victory for Obama? That does not bode well for the Failure-in-chief! “It’s the Economy Stupid!” to quote Carville.

http://www.paratisiusa.blogspot.com

God Bless America!

paratisi on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

RE:
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Romney breaks debate rule on not asking direct questions to opponent
- 10/16/12 11:08 PM ET
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/262427-romney-breaks-debate-rule-on-not-asking-direct-questions

**RULES**
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http://thepage.time.com/2012/10/15/the-2012-debates-memorandum-of-understanding-between-the-obama-and-romney-campaigns/

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Romney asked Obama direct questions twice during second debate on Tuesday night, violating debate rules – @thehill

16 mins ago from thehill.com by editor

Obama did it at least once.

ghostwriter on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

CNN has a flash poll of registered voters showing 0 won by 7. It’s significant, but not likely to turn things around.

Get on the phones to Ohio, people…

JohnGalt23 on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

I’m watching MSNBC with the sound down. I see no tears like last time but I don’t see any ear to ear grins either. I’m think Romney will be OK. FWIW.

Hummer53 on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

The Lutz group gave it Romney overwhelmingly.

Terrye on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

michellemalkin Well. MT @NY4Mitt Anderson Cooper says Obama/Crowley were wrong on #Libya statement. #Benghazi not called act of terror in Rose Garden.

HotCHA! I never thought it would happen.

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

What’s with this “binders of women” comment by Romney? Lefties on Facebook already started a page and it has over 35,000 Likes. Is that going to be the “Big Bird” of this debate?

rockmom on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Why would that be a FB page? He said he had his staff provide him with names of women who could fill Cabinet positions in MA…is there something wrong with that?

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Rumor has it that it was Michelle who started the clapping in the audience when Candy threw her boyfriend a life line on the Lybia question…

… anyone see that?

Seven Percent Solution on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

For the next week, we’ll be talking about Libya and Obama’s lie. That’s a win for the good guys.

ghostwriter on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Look for it to be plastered on Drudge by tomorrow morning.

TxAnn56 on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

John McGuirk ‏@john_mcguirk

CNN poll: Combined 72% say Romney did as well as expected or better. That matters a lot.

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

FWIW: Here’s the Obama Rose Garden address on the Benghazi. He never mentions a ‘terrorist attack’ or ‘terror attack’. He mentions “attack/attackers” a plethora of times and calls it a “terrible act” towards the end of the speech.

President Obama Speaks on the Attack on Benghazi

batter on October 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Cnn has Obama winning outside of the margin of error. So it seems like a narrow victory for Obama. The more pertinent question is how does this effect the presidential race?

Ric on October 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

This is not one of those times where it is better to ask for forgiveness than permission. She should not have inserted herself. It’s like the corrections of a front page story on page 26.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

I’m sorry, but you’re 100% wrong about Bob Schieffer. I will guarantee he will be the worst of the four moderators. He’s been an absolute shill for Obama on Face The Nation all year long. He’s old and half senile and this is the last debate and he won’t give a damn what anyone says, he’s going to help Obama because he wants him to win.

rockmom on October 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

PS..I thought your take on the debate was spot on in the other thread!!..:)

Dire Straits on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Thanks! Obama definitely came prepared this time. Problem is, it’s a little too little too late.

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Video? Video? Someone must have video!

This is our silver f*cking bullet in this whole debacle!

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Here you go!

http://freebeacon.com/candy-crowley-he-was-right/

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Coming shortly:)

PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls

Full results- including a breakdown of who people think won based on what channel they watched it on- in the next 15 minutes

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Luntz’s group is devastating to Obama

Tater Salad on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Who is the fat chick in the second row with dirty red hair, who’s chewing gum?

What hateful looks she’s throwing around.

JPeterman on October 16, 2012 at 11:45 PM

I was yelling at my TV. I hate doing that because I really like my TV.

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

LOL! Me too!

ghostwriter on October 16, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Update: I didn’t see it, but the word on Twitter is that Frank Luntz’s focus group tonight on Fox was simply brutal to Obama.

it was. Big swings from previous voters for Obama towards Romney. Some stalwwart koolaiders in there, but a minority.

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Binders full of women. what a douche. Come mid-November, none of you will be carrying water for Mr. I-Hired-A-Woman-Once. I hate your lack of principle.

lostmotherland on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Gumby, you’re so precious!

More than 50% of those that viewed the VP debate were over 55, how many of those people do you think rushed to websites to vote on who won? Who is more likely to vote?

There is a reason that it says “NOT A SCIENTIFIC POLL.”

You actually act like online polls mean something. I bet you participate in the best dressed polls on People on Oscar night, too.

lol

Resist We Much on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Didn’t watch (previous commitment) but it sounds like after two periods Mittens has a 2 goal lead.

Bruno Strozek on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Why would that be a FB page? He said he had his staff provide him with names of women who could fill Cabinet positions in MA…is there something wrong with that?

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

It was the way he phrased it, “binders full of women.” So yes, to answer rockmom, it is the Big Bird moment of the debate.

Equally picayune, equally self-defeating, equally ineffective. Congrats, libs!

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Mitt wins on the economy, with independents and undecideds. Enough said.

TarheelBen on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Cnn has Obama winning outside of the margin of error. So it seems like a narrow victory for Obama. The more pertinent question is how does this effect the presidential race?

Ric on October 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Probably not much, considering the post-debate stuff will focus on the Obama/Crowley Libya lie. If any of the tracking tightens tomorrow though, expect the usual suspects to crow about it. Fundamentally, though, don’t think it changed much of anything (fewer probably watched, too).

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

The main issue is how many people were watching? 70 million watched the 1st debate. 50 million watched the VP debate. If less than 40 million watched this one, then a lot of people have already made up their minds.

ardenenoch on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Justin Hart ‏@justin_hart

Candy Crowley now admitting Romney was right on Pres. Obama’s Libya remarks.
Retweeted by Hugh Hewitt

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

But that will only matter if the MSM reports it (which they won’t). Why the heck was she defending Obama anyway? I thought the point of a debate was that the participants were supposed to defend themselves.

29Victor on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

This is not one of those times where it is better to ask for forgiveness than permission. She should not have inserted herself. It’s like the corrections of a front page story on page 26.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

She’s already in a heap of trouble for it.

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

As I said on trhe other thread – a push. ANd in reality Romney will get a little push in the post debate as both Obama and Crowly have already been called liars by WashPo. We will have some people like each of them, and give them kudos on different issues. I agree that the Libya thing is going to stay in the spotlight, which is a problem.

No one landed a big right or left hand to really hurt the other.

This wasn’t what Obama needed. SOme polling will give him a push because they are hacks. This is still a Romney win in process. Let’s see if anything happens in debate three.

This one is a non-event – just like normal. Not a total downer like Obama in round one or crazy Joe turning off women in the VP. Just a normal debate, where Romeny’s base watched another journalist pretend to me neutral. They are still waiting to vote. And it isn’t the boy I am so exited for Romney, it is the OMG we cannot let Obama have another 4 years, we are determined to get rid of him. For Obama, that is the most dangerous, because Mitt doesn’t have to excite anyone – he really isn’t that kind of pol – so Mitt really cannot do much to harm himself, Obama has to give you a real reason to both dislike Romney – which 200M in ads failed to do – and make you forget about the last four years.

330 – 210 ish Romney – 11:37PM November 6th.

Zomcon JEM on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

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