Wrap up: The second debate; Update: Obama wins CBS insta-poll narrowly, but Romney wins big on economy; Update: Actually, Romney had a point, says Crowley

posted at 11:19 pm on October 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

The consensus among the righties that I follow on Twitter is that it was a push, with Romney acing his answer on the economy and underperforming when he finally took on The One on Libya. Better that than vice versa, though: As Ben Domenech said, only one of those is an issue that people will vote on.

There were several key exchanges — the staredown on energy, Romney politely distancing himself from Bush — but I’m giving you the economy and Libya answers below, via the Examiner and Daily Caller, respectively. Romney seemed unprepared for the pushback from Obama and his pal Candy on what he said about “acts of terror” in the Rose Garden on September 12; The One now wants us to believe that he was forthright about calling it a terrorist attack all along, when in fact he was so coy and evasive that Jay Carney had to clarify his view for the press more than two weeks later. Romney didn’t chase him on that or on all the other nonsense in the aftermath — blaming a “spontaneous protest” when even the earliest intel suggested a terror attack, running ads in Pakistan groveling over a private citizen’s insult to Mohammed, the snowballing revelations about just how indifferent State was to Chris Stevens’s security, etc. O even got to play the part of the indignant C-in-C, declaring how offended he was that anyone would accuse him of playing politics with this issue when, in fact, he’s been playing politics with it since day one. And of course, just as I expected, he finally took meaningless symbolic responsibility for the Benghazi security failure now that Hillary had covered his ass by taking responsibility herself last night.

The good news? Mitt gets another crack at the Libya attack in the next debate, which will focus exclusively on foreign policy. He’ll be very well prepared, rest assured. And since most of the media’s coverage tomorrow will focus on the Libya exchange tonight, that issue will continue to get plenty of coverage for the rest of the week. I can live with that. Exit quotation from Ben Smith: “Romney did, again, come away looking like a guy who could be president, which is probably the most important thing.” Yep.


Update: Here’s something else I can live with:

I’d much, much rather have had Romney make a strong impression on the economy than “win” overall with barely more than a one-third plurality. If you think undecideds are going to go into the booth in November and think hard about jobs, then these are the numbers you want to see.

Update: Like I said up top:

After that generic reference to “acts of terror” in the Rose Garden — which was so generic that the media forgot all about it for weeks afterward — the White House strained very hard not to call this a terror attack. They desperately wanted it to be a protest that got out of hand, all thanks to that Mohammed movie. If it’s a terror attack, then the administration has to explain why they didn’t see it coming and why The Man Who Got Bin Laden somehow let his ambassador’s compound be overrun by an Al Qaeda affiliate. Which narrative is better if you’re running a reelection campaign?

Update: I didn’t see it, but the word on Twitter is that Frank Luntz’s focus group tonight on Fox was simply brutal to Obama.

Update: I’m hearing now that Anderson Cooper challenged Crowley’s spin on the “acts of terror” comment on CNN’s post-debate show. Jay Cost is right, as usual:

Update: Note to David Axelrod: You sure you want to spend another media cycle or three on Libya?

Update: Via the Washington Free Beacon, here’s O conspicuously refusing to use the T-word to describe Benghazi — on September 25.

Update: NRO’s Patrick Brennan on why Obama’s “acts of terror” reference in the Rose Garden on September 12 wasn’t really a reference to Benghazi:

His only mention of “terror”:

“No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America.”

One could take that as a reference to acts which include the tragedy in Benghazi, obviously, but there was clearly no effort made to label it an act of terrorism. One reason why this might be: According to U.S. law, acts of terrorism are premeditated. The Obama administration’s line for days following Obama’s Rose Garden statement suggested that the attack wasn’t premeditated.

Update: Via the Examiner, now she tells us:

Upwards of 60 million people likely watched her side with Obama on Libya during the debate. How many saw this clip on CNN’s post-game show? One million, maybe?


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very upset with candy crowley….

2 against 1 last night…

shameful

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 6:16 AM

halperin
president b-
mitt c

*shaking the head*

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 6:16 AM

Isn’t that exactly how you opened your comments on the other thread before your big beat down, Moby? All of Hot Air is more stupid for having read your contributions to the subject tonight.

hawkdriver on October 17, 2012 at 6:13 AM

Sorry… had a nice two weeks thinking that Mittens was going to be Prez. before the inevitable shilling for Obama begins.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 6:28 AM

My take.

Obama came off as a pompous jerk last night.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 6:35 AM

so the consensus on morning joe is that

barack is back and mitt stayed the course…mitt really blew the libya response (i don’t think so)…dear leader did not talk about the future

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 6:36 AM

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 6:36 AM

Scooter lied his you-know-what off last night. He will get hammered by fact-checking today.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 6:39 AM

hawkdriver on October 17, 2012 at 6:13 AM

Sorry… had a nice two weeks thinking that Mittens was going to be Prez. before the inevitable shilling for Obama begins.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 6:28 AM

Sorry, the line doesn’t work with me. I ignored your crap until you started thread two. You’re a liar. And really, it’s a waste of time. If you think you coming here and going on about how you’ve given up on voting for Mitt, (especially with your rationale about how you wanted to part of the big win) is going to bleed support for Mitt, you’re deluded. I laughed to think that any troll is that stupid to push that line. You won’t shave one vote of support for Romney off. Pathetic that you think it would.

Even “if” you were what you say you are. Any good Conservative is just going to look at you with disdain and dismiss your sad mindset.

I’d say nice try but but it was just stupid.

hawkdriver on October 17, 2012 at 6:41 AM

All Romney really has to do in these debates at this point is demonstrate that Obama has been campaigning against straw men. Seems like he did that well enough last night.

Count to 10 on October 17, 2012 at 6:44 AM

Umm.. okays. I’ve been posting here since 2008. I’m just really PO’d that we’ll be stuck with Barry for another four years. And yes, I am a pessimist. I’ve always been an AP kinda person.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 6:45 AM

hawkdriver on October 17, 2012 at 6:41 AM

The Eeyore Mobys, the “fiscal Conservatives”, and the out-and-out Trolls will be hitting this place hard today, trying to make up for their fallen messiah’s obvious shortcomings last night.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 6:46 AM

Pissed off, petulant, prevaricator-in-chief, and not at all presidential…

Putz.

I suggest we substitute Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho as interim president until we get a real President in January.

Certainly, a President Camacho could not do any worse than what Obama is capable of doing as a lame-duck.

coldwarrior on October 17, 2012 at 6:46 AM

GREAT TAKE KJ

read it folks….

great wrap up especially for us folks who only watch a portion of the debate

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 6:46 AM

Scooter lied his you-know-what off last night. He will get hammered by fact-checking today.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 6:39 AM

So, at this point, I can’t tell if he is lying or just lost in a fantasy world where everything is how he thinks it’s supposed to be.

Count to 10 on October 17, 2012 at 6:47 AM

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 6:39 AM

fact checked by everyone except for those on msdnc…they thought dear leader killed on that

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 6:47 AM

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 6:16 AM

and then to come out and outwardly contradict mitt. because that was in her mindset. no way the death panel candidate was going to win against her precious saviour. she was oh so sure preezy said terror.
i continue to wonder why our candidates submit themselves so willingly to these type of debaes.

renalin on October 17, 2012 at 6:48 AM

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 6:16 AM

Not sure why Conservatives always agree to the bias they must know is going to be there. When was the last time you ever saw a committed Conservative preside over a debate?

KJ and cm, we’re going to win this.

hawkdriver on October 17, 2012 at 6:48 AM

Umm.. okays. I’ve been posting here since 2008. I’m just really PO’d that we’ll be stuck with Barry for another four years. And yes, I am a pessimist. I’ve always been an AP kinda person.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 6:45 AM

Then maybe you should actually pay attention to what AP has been writing.

Count to 10 on October 17, 2012 at 6:48 AM

i continue to wonder why our candidates submit themselves so willingly to these type of debaes.

renalin on October 17, 2012 at 6:48 AM

Because they offer a speaking platform that is less filtered than the evening news.

Count to 10 on October 17, 2012 at 6:49 AM

The Eeyore Mobys, the “fiscal Conservatives”, and the out-and-out Trolls will be hitting this place hard today, trying to make up for their fallen messiah’s obvious shortcomings last night.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 6:46 AM

I’m just stating the obvious.. the media will shill for Obama. Mittens needs knock out punches in every debate or Barry gets the win. Sorry.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Sorry, the line doesn’t work with me. I ignored your crap until you started thread two. You’re a liar. And really, it’s a waste of time. If you think you coming here and going on about how you’ve given up on voting for Mitt, (especially with your rationale about how you wanted to part of the big win) is going to bleed support for Mitt, you’re deluded. I laughed to think that any troll is that stupid to push that line. You won’t shave one vote of support for Romney off. Pathetic that you think it would.
Even “if” you were what you say you are. Any good Conservative is just going to look at you with disdain and dismiss your sad mindset.
I’d say nice try but but it was just stupid.
hawkdriver on October 17, 2012 at 6:41 AM

Agree 100%

Obama-voting trolls like that person think their pretend “woe is me” act is going to discourage people.

Well, I have news for all would-be concern trolls who might want to come along, pretend to be conservative, and then say we should throw in the towel:

MITT IS GOING TO WIN. WE ALL KNOW IT. WE ARE FIRED UP TO VOTE (and many of us already have voted early) AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU LOSERS CAN DO ABOUT IT.

Mitt was great last night, while Obama was a jackass. No surprise there. The closer it gets to Election Day, the more excited we are.

bluegill on October 17, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Umm.. okays. I’ve been posting here since 2008. I’m just really PO’d that we’ll be stuck with Barry for another four years. And yes, I am a pessimist. I’ve always been an AP kinda person.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 6:45 AM

Make sure you stay home for the victory party here then. If you give up, you don’t deserve to share in the win.

And really, why do you need to start an entire second thread with the same idiotic comment?

Yeah, not buying it.

hawkdriver on October 17, 2012 at 6:51 AM

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 6:50 AM

You must not get out much. Support for Obama is minimal in the Heartland of America.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 6:52 AM

Because they offer a speaking platform that is less filtered than the evening news.

Count to 10 on October 17, 2012 at 6:49 AM

Old enough to remember Huntley/Brinkley, are we? :-)

coldwarrior on October 17, 2012 at 6:52 AM

renalin on October 17, 2012 at 6:48 AM

agree…no more town hall and insist at least one moderator is a conservative

hawkdriver on October 17, 2012 at 6:48 AM

agree…yes we will :)

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 6:53 AM

’m just stating the obvious..
Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 6:50 AM

No, hawkdriver was stating the obvious and thankfully so when he pointed out that your transparent concern troll act was falling flat and not fooling anyone.

bluegill on October 17, 2012 at 6:53 AM

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 6:50 AM

You are personification of “weak sister”.

bayview on October 17, 2012 at 6:55 AM

besides msdnc, i think the libya moment will come back to haunt dear leader….

if he is so insistent that he was talking about benghazi, why did he insists for the next 2 weeks including a speech at the un that it was all the result of a video….

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 6:57 AM

You must not get out much. Support for Obama is minimal in the Heartland of America.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 6

I live in Evanston, IL.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:00 AM

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:00 AM

And I live outside of Memphis, TN and the reality is, there is no enthusiasm out there for Barack Hussein Obama.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 7:02 AM

You are personification of “weak sister”.

bayview on October 17, 2012 at 6:55 AM

Let’s see.. the elections that I remember include Clinton getting elected twice in comfortable fashion, Bush winning by hanging chads, Bush winning by two points after it seemed like he was going to lose all afternoon in 2004, Obama winning in a landslide. So get where I’m coming from

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:03 AM


My take.

Obama came off as a pompous jerk last night.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 6:35 AM

Not to quibble, but lying has to be factored in there:

Obama came off as a LYING pompous jerk last night.

Galt2009 on October 17, 2012 at 7:04 AM

And I live outside of Memphis, TN and the reality is, there is no enthusiasm out there for Barack Hussein Obama.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 7:02 AM

You live in a Red State, so I sure hope there isn’t any.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:04 AM

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:03 AM

Yes, we do. You’re trying to demoralize the base.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 7:05 AM

I thought Candy Crowley did a good job for most of the night. Unfortunately that’s like saying I was a good driver on my way to work except for those few seconds when I wasn’t looking at the road or traffic and ended up causing a 25 car pile up on the interstate.

PerceptorII on October 17, 2012 at 7:06 AM

illini, 0 will not stop the slide, trust me. there was nothing on that stage that came out of his mouth, or the mouth of “independent voters” that really go to the heart of concern of real independents. if anything, 0 put himself in a bigger hole with finally owning up to Bengazi fiasco and coverup.

runner on October 17, 2012 at 7:07 AM

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:00 AM

didn’t it disgust you that the president kept bringing up our brave soldiers casket, and how somehow, it was a massive burden for him to greet those caskets. Who says that! so self-centered. from a man who will later send their families form letters.

if your a true red blooded american, there is no choice but romney. buck up.

renalin on October 17, 2012 at 7:07 AM

as long as Romney doesn’t totally blow the last debate we win.

tomas on October 17, 2012 at 7:07 AM

I live in Evanston, IL.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:00 AM

Suburban Chicago is not the heartland.

coldwarrior on October 17, 2012 at 7:08 AM

So get where I’m coming from

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:03 AM

Actually no one cares where you’re coming from , nor going to. Story of your life in a nut shell.

bayview on October 17, 2012 at 7:08 AM

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:04 AM

You perception is just like that of General Custer, before he topped the hill at Little Big Horn.

“What Indians?”

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 7:08 AM

You live in a Red State, so I sure hope there isn’t any.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:04 AM

Do us a favor. If you’re really just some kind of disillusioned Republican, go sulk by yourself someplace else then. Spare us you BS.

hawkdriver on October 17, 2012 at 7:10 AM

Ho ho! Gibbsite won’t be going near Fox & Friends ever again. He’s getting hammered live on the couch. No mercy.

Naturally Curly on October 17, 2012 at 7:10 AM

…Mrs. John Candy did not do herself any favors last night….

KOOLAID2 on October 17, 2012 at 7:10 AM

Local news “fact checking” Romney on employment and GM. Segment now over, nothing else in the debate was addressed. No Obama economic statements, nothing on Libya, nothing about AK47s = community college.

Now imagine that happening all accross the country.

Now imagine how significant a Mitt win would be in light of that.

rogerb on October 17, 2012 at 7:11 AM

I’m absolutely convinced Romney will win, and needs to hammer again and again that we’ve had four years of this guy and do you want four years more? Frank Lunz’s “independent” group there, who said NO I sure as hell don’t, I believe.

Rush Limbaugh warned yesterday what the Mark Halperins and John Heilemanns would do, and they’re doing it.

Who’s going to think the country will awaken on November 7th and say “Oh good, four more years of depression and unemployment!” A lot of people who think that will happen weren’t around in 1980, were they.

Marcus on October 17, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Naturally Curly on October 17, 2012 at 7:10 AM

heh :)

KOOLAID2 on October 17, 2012 at 7:10 AM

agree…she was getting accolades last night from her crew and from msdnc but this will come back and bite her big time…

I’m sure on her sunday am show, she will grovel a bit…

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 7:13 AM

I’m just stating the obvious.. the media will shill for Obama. Mittens needs knock out punches in every debate or Barry gets the win. Sorry.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Be something more than the media and the Democrats say you are, as a woman–buck up, steel that spine, get in there and FIGHT for our nation instead of singin’ the blues!

Grace_is_sufficient on October 17, 2012 at 7:15 AM

Do you think 0 wants to go before another debate on foreign policy after last night’s lie about having called Benghazi a terrorist attack from day 1… he’s toast next week.

Prediction: Clinton will show 0 the way, and the military strike will commence. N0-nuts will not have the cojones to attack Iran, and Lybia is a bit weak of an excuse to skip a foreign policy debate… but then that’s why 1 has friends in the media to provide cover (Hi Candy, great job last night).

So Lybia (or Syria?) it is, and the tomohawks will be sent (not the Native American kind, the All American kind). Or do we have something better now that makes the t’s look like candle sticks? Bet you it was thought of and built under a different administration…

Floriduh Jim on October 17, 2012 at 7:16 AM

you know they are going to do it and you try no to be paranoid about it, but then they do it and you are still shocked.

tomas on October 17, 2012 at 7:16 AM

Folks, I’m off to work here. But the word only gets out if Romney and Ryan have money for ads and campaigning. This is the last chance for the home stretch. Folks, we gotta give till it hurts.

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Who’s in for the win?

hawkdriver on October 17, 2012 at 7:16 AM

besides msdnc, i think the libya moment will come back to haunt dear leader….

if he is so insistent that he was talking about benghazi, why did he insists for the next 2 weeks including a speech at the un that it was all the result of a video….

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 6:57 AM

I agree completely. In his first public statement after the attack Obama acknowledged it was a terrorist attack. Then when he had time to think about it, he understood that that admission would damage his claim to have destroyed al Qaeda. So, for the next 2 weeks he claimed it was because of the video.

Basilsbest on October 17, 2012 at 7:18 AM

Suburban Chicago is not the heartland.

coldwarrior on October 17, 2012 at 7:08 AM

As I was pointing out.. It was said that I didn’t get out much. I pointed out that I lived in a “White Person’s” town.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:18 AM

The most important question of the debate was from the lady asking about Outsourcind of US jobs. Romney gave a much better answer. Pres Obama’s answer was unclear and muttled. This will help Romney among blue collar Reagan Dem’s/Independents. I wouldn’t be willing to give the win over to Obama so fast. When people think about Romney’s answers, they’ll see that he has a much greater depth and understanding of the issues. DD

Darvin Dowdy on October 17, 2012 at 7:20 AM

A President Without a Plan
A more spirited Obama, but he still has no agenda for the next four years.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443675404578061320659607206.html?mod=hp_opinion

He wants to invest in “solar and wind and biofuels, energy-efficient cars,” which probably means more Solyndras and A123s (see nearby). He wants to raise taxes on the rich—that’s one thing he’s really passionate about. Oh, and he does want to pass the immigration reform he said he’d propose four years ago but never did propose in his first two years when his party controlled Congress and he might have passed it.

But otherwise, what’s his case for four more years? Judging by Tuesday’s debate, the President’s argument for re-election is basically this: He’s not as awful as Mitt Romney.

The Republican followed by reciting the economic failings of the last four years, piling on fact after depressing fact. “I can tell you that if you were to elect President Obama, you know what you’re going to get. You’re going to get a repeat of the last four years. We just can’t afford four more years like the last four years,” Mr. Romney said

We should point out, however, that he was more right than wrong about Mr. Obama’s remarks the day after the attacks. Mr. Obama used the words “acts of terror” only at the end of his remarks that day and in passing, and well after he had made an indirect and defensive reference to the anti-Islamic video. Moderator Candy Crowley was wrong to put her thumb on the scales for Mr. Obama in this exchange.

Mr. Romney will have a chance to do better on foreign policy next week, but Mr. Obama seems out of ammunition for the next four years.

Galt2009 on October 17, 2012 at 7:22 AM

Yes, we do. You’re trying to demoralize the base.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 7:05 AM

No I was pointing out the elections I’ve experienced which include basically D landslides and hanging chads.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:22 AM

I agree completely. In his first public statement after the attack Obama acknowledged it was a terrorist attack.

no, he didn’t. his statement was a total dodge. i read it, i watched it, he never reffered to bengazi as an act of terror.

runner on October 17, 2012 at 7:22 AM

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:18 AM

You live in a Union town.

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 7:23 AM

Was watching the debate last night in the front lobby area of my gym. Not long after the debate finished, a sweaty older man came over and calmly asked who won the debate. I said, “Romney, and it wasn’t even close.” And I made it clear that I was happy about Obama doing badly.

The guy then flipped out and started talking REALLY loudly and nearly screaming about how everything Romney says is supposedly a lie. Then he asked me if I saw how the moderator had to call out Romney on his “lie” about Libya, which I thought was weird because the guy obviously watched the debate, but still felt the need to ask me who won… I assumed he was just looking for someone to rant to. He was SOOO happy about the applause and wanted everyone to know it. Anyway, the guy went on and on about how Republicans are ignorant and rednecks and how they HATE black people, including Obama. The man started blabbing on and on about carbon and pollution and how Republicans want to blame everything on Obama. He was really stupid and kept trashing the channel (it was CNN) on the tv set at the time and calling it Fox News… he didn’t know what he was talking about.

Guys, it was disturbing. All I could do was nod. I felt like I had to let him think I was agreeing with him in order to keep him from becoming more unhinged. There are some crazy, on-edge Obama supporters out there. When Romney was shown on the screen during the post-debate coverage, the guy would shout “b–llsh–” at the screen. I’m sure you all have had encounters like this.

We are going to see A LOT more of this after Obama loses. Be ready.

If ever you need any more motivation to vote or contribute or volunteer or whatever for campaigns working to defeat Obama, just think of the idiotic, unhinged Obama supporters out there… and you’ll feel all the motivation you need. It works for me.

bluegill on October 17, 2012 at 7:25 AM

Umm.. okays. I’ve been posting here since 2008. I’m just really PO’d that we’ll be stuck with Barry for another four years. And yes, I am a pessimist. I’ve always been an AP kinda person.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 6:45 AM

I kind of doubt that–I’ve been a member of this site since it opened and this is the first I’ve seen you post here. I don’t think you’re a pessimist either–I think you’re simply a concern troll or an Obama-bot.

zoyclem on October 17, 2012 at 7:25 AM

Support for Obama is minimal in the Heartland of America.

I’ll agree. I’ve only seen a couple Prius’s and just one rusted out ’79 Monte Carlo with a 2012 Obama sticker . Plus, my “Strong Democrat” neighbors across the street only have a sign for State Senator in their yard.

RADIOONE on October 17, 2012 at 7:25 AM

I woke up jazzed. Romney really did great–and the “pension envy,” as my friend called it, only made Obama look petty and small[er], even though reporters were cheering. I think this is in the bag, and handily.

hoosiermama on October 17, 2012 at 7:25 AM

Well, I’ve been quickly surfing around and the Journolist talking point is: “When you’ve lost the debate, you blame the moderator.” Almost every shill is using it this am and late last night, and will sure be the battle cry of the trolls here all day. Just saw Donna Brazille using it, and her cell phone has Val Jarrett on speed-dial.

Marcus on October 17, 2012 at 7:26 AM

I wouldn’t be willing to give the win over to Obama so fast. When people think about Romney’s answers, they’ll see that he has a much greater depth and understanding of the issues.

ditto, and explains why people in insta polls, on issues that really matter (and not some stuck in 1972 feminist drivel – seriously, birth control?) gave Mitt preference 2:1.

runner on October 17, 2012 at 7:27 AM

a “White Person’s” town.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:18 AM

Really?

A white person’s town?

One of the event planners, next door in Skokie back in 1977, were you?

coldwarrior on October 17, 2012 at 7:28 AM

RT @CharlieKayeCBS: In the @CBSNews Instant Poll, 65% say Romney won on the issue of the economy. 34% say Obama won on the economy.

It’s all about the economy. 300+ electoral votes for President Romney.

iceman1960 on October 17, 2012 at 7:29 AM

Great column today, KJ.

Obama got himself whipped up to the point of almost pleading, like Jeremiah must have when it was time to preach on Tithing. He appeared desperate.

So true! I can’t stand his fake sincerity crap. People fell for it in ’08, but its worn paper-thin. I HOPE those idiots will CHANGE their vote this time.

Naturally Curly on October 17, 2012 at 7:30 AM

zoyclem on October 17, 2012 at 7:25 AM

drop it, dude. it is as she says, but inhaled some deep pessimism; no wonder, she lives in cook county…

runner on October 17, 2012 at 7:30 AM

I woke up jazzed. Romney really did great–and the “pension envy,” as my friend called it, only made Obama look petty and small[er], even though reporters were cheering. I think this is in the bag, and handily.

hoosiermama on October 17, 2012 at 7:25 AM

“Pension envy”

I’m sorry, but that’s brilliant. very clever. :-)

bluegill on October 17, 2012 at 7:30 AM

Illinidiva isn’t a newbie troll. I recognize the screen name. But girl sounds awfully young, and certainly wasn’t around in 1980 which this election most resembles. Lucky girl, if you truly support Romney you will wake up in bliss on November 7th.

Don’t you believe Rush, that the citizens of the country of the United States eventually gets it RIGHT every time? This was a massive experiment this past four years, it won’t be repeated.

Marcus on October 17, 2012 at 7:32 AM

BTW, pension:
 
Our president admitted he doesn’t keep track of his family’s financials but we’re to trust him with ours?

rogerb on October 17, 2012 at 7:32 AM

Really?

A white person’s town?

One of the event planners, next door in Skokie back in 1977, were you?

coldwarrior on October 17, 2012 at 7:28 AM

As in Stuff White People Like (from the 2008 campaign) Seriously, Evanston has two Whole Foods..

It’s basically an ultra-liberal upper middle class professionals town.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:33 AM

Our president admitted he doesn’t keep track of his family’s financials but we’re to trust him with ours?

rogerb on October 17, 2012 at 7:32 AM

He certainly does not have a grasp of the day-to-day basics, does he?

Smartest guy in the room, isn’t.

coldwarrior on October 17, 2012 at 7:35 AM

Obama’s cocky, jackass performance in combination with Biden’s laugh fest is only going to increase Republican voter enthusiasm.

I think the conservative turnout this year is going to be huge.

bluegill on October 17, 2012 at 7:36 AM

That Frank Luntz panel was brutal on Obama.
If one did not watch the debate and only saw that panel in action, they’d come away thinking Romney stomped Obama.
A totally different take than the chattering class.
The bottom line from this group was that they did not believe a word Obama said.
If this is how the general public feels, Obama is in deep, deep trouble.

Jabberwock on October 17, 2012 at 7:37 AM

If Obama wins another 4 years on promises he made 4 years ago, America will never go back to fiscal sanity. It’s that simple.

mrscullen on October 17, 2012 at 7:38 AM

kerry lying about mitt and liyba….hello joe, you can call him out on his lying ok?

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 7:38 AM

llinidiva isn’t a newbie troll. I recognize the screen name. But girl sounds awfully young, and certainly wasn’t around in 1980 which this election most resembles. Lucky girl, if you truly support Romney you will wake up in bliss on November 7th.

Don’t you believe Rush, that the citizens of the country of the United States eventually gets it RIGHT every time? This was a massive experiment this past four years, it won’t be repeated.

Marcus on October 17, 2012 at 7:32 AM

I was born in 1982.. But I do think that there are two key differences – 1. Romney isn’t Reagan and 2. Obama is black (and there are some people, especially in my neck of the woods, who will still vote for the guy because he is black.) Seriously, not even Evanston liberals like Carter. I went to see Argo last Saturday (great movie) which unfortunately ended with a whiny Carter interview over the credits. And people were really put off by it, especially Carter being upset that he couldn’t take credit for the Argo operation.

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:38 AM

Naturally Curly on October 17, 2012 at 7:30 AM

Thank you!

kingsjester on October 17, 2012 at 7:39 AM

the dems are (lying) mixing mitts response to the us embassy response in cairo with the libyan attack…

WILL ANYONE ON THE RIGHT CALL THEM OUT on this???

for the love of pete….

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 7:40 AM

the dems are (lying) mixing mitts response to the us embassy response in cairo with the libyan attack…

WILL ANYONE ON THE RIGHT CALL THEM OUT on this???

for the love of pete….

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 7:40 AM

Many people keep mixing this up. Allahpundit even made the mistake at least once, if I’m not mistaken.

bluegill on October 17, 2012 at 7:44 AM

the dems are (lying) mixing mitts response to the us embassy response in cairo with the libyan attack…

WILL ANYONE ON THE RIGHT CALL THEM OUT on this???

for the love of pete….

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 7:40 AM

Bobby Jindal is on deck. Be not afraid!

Naturally Curly on October 17, 2012 at 7:46 AM

Bush winning by two points after it seemed like he was going to lose all afternoon in 2004, Obama winning in a landslide. So get where I’m coming from

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:03 AM

Get where I’m coming from. I was there.

The only people that were saying Bush was losing all afternoon and into the evening were the media. They were huffing their own choom based on ginned up post election polls. When Florida finally closed the hammer came down and the curtain came up. It was all smoke and mirrors.

Obama? 2008 was over long before election night and it was painfully obvious to all.

If you have been here since 2008, then just go away. We all deserve better.

Tenwheeler on October 17, 2012 at 7:46 AM

benghazi issue is a smokin joe moment. after bidens debate, libs thought he did just great; he won! and now, after the benghaiz incident/quote and crowley erroneous “fact check, they think obama really pulled romneys pants down. they will lose indys with bidens perfromance. and in the next debate, the benghazi comment will be sliced and diced and dissected making obam look the fool he is. its a double win: libs THINK they won, while in the process of cutting their own throats. very very sweet. lets just rejoice. the next 3 weeks are going to be fun. its what comes after Nov 6 we need to be terrified about, from Nov 6 to inaug, the damage BHO could potentially do needs to be stopped.

t8stlikchkn on October 17, 2012 at 7:47 AM

Did you enjoy the puppet show last night?

Dante on October 17, 2012 at 7:48 AM

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:38 AM

Why don’t you take a breath and name ONE “swing state” that Obama has pulled ahead in? Romney is taking every one and Obama is fighting tooth-and-nail for Ohio. And they are taking “safe states” like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin out of the blue column and painting them gray for “toss up”.

But you’re right, you’re an Allah Pundit Eeyore.

Marcus on October 17, 2012 at 7:48 AM

thanks bg and nc :)

just infuriating with what the dems get away with…

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 7:48 AM

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 7:40 AM

Easy mistake to make, these days.

All those angry Mohammedans, burning US flags, consulates, embassies, and whatever is handy whilst shouting Ali want a cracker or something…after a while they all look alike. :-)

Remember, these same pundits still cannot understand the difference between a fully automatic federally-controlled weapon and what hunters use when they go out looking for wabbits.

We expect them to figure out if Cairo is different than Benghazi?

coldwarrior on October 17, 2012 at 7:50 AM

For the next few weeks the Romney/Ryan campaign and its allied groups will be far outspending the Obama campaign on tv ads in swing states.

I’m glad that Romney is finishing very strong with a huge burst of tv advertising. Obama peaked way too early and burned through so much of his campaign cash on ads that ultimately had little lasting effect beyond those already very inclined to vote for Obama. We haven’t even seen the limits of Romney’s surge yet.

The media will shill like crazy for Obama. Voters understand this. This is nothing new. We will continue fighting and will win this thing.

bluegill on October 17, 2012 at 7:51 AM

You know, as a Palin guy, I was glad to see Romney step on Obama during that five minute soliloquy. That was a perfect undressing of his Oneness.

This would not have been possible in 2008, because of the fact that the nation was exhausted with the Republicans. Not even Palin could save McCain from that eventuality.

Americans have to go through times like these to realize just how toxic and incompetent the Democratic Party has become. The only thing that upsets me about last night is Romney’s failure to call out Obama on his incompetence and mendacity over Libya. He needs to drive that home.

victor82 on October 17, 2012 at 7:52 AM

I agree completely. In his first public statement after the attack Obama acknowledged it was a terrorist attack.

no, he didn’t. his statement was a total dodge. i read it, i watched it, he never reffered to bengazi as an act of terror.

runner on October 17, 2012 at 7:22 AM

Why would you want to make the more difficult argument? When he said “no acts of terror” in the Rose Garden he was obviously referring to Benghazi. So he knew from the outset that it was a terrorist attack and he said that without realizing it would damage his al Qaeda has been destroyed narrative. When he understood the implications of that he then lied for the next 2 weeks claiming the attack was because of the video.

Take him at his word and use those words to destroy him.

Basilsbest on October 17, 2012 at 7:54 AM

Bush winning by two points after it seemed like he was going to lose all afternoon in 2004, Obama winning in a landslide. So get where I’m coming from

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:03 AM

No, you just seem like a clueless, weak-kneed baby who strangely is willing quit when we are winning. Please never try to lead any kind of group.

bluegill on October 17, 2012 at 7:54 AM

ace.mu.nu

see the MSNBC undecided voter panel.

#fail for MSNBC

they tried to carry the water, but the bucket had lots of holes

ted c on October 17, 2012 at 7:57 AM

Illinidiva on October 17, 2012 at 7:38 AM

Born in ’82? Then you really don’t know if this is like ’80, do you?

If you [illinidiva] have been here since 2008, then just go away. We all deserve better.

Tenwheeler on October 17, 2012 at 7:46 AM

Amen.

Look “LittleOne” sit back, shut up, and listen instead of displaying your ignorance.

This looks SO much like 1980 (except the media is even more in the liberal tank) it’s like deja vu all over again.

Just watch and wait; anything can happen but your admitted pessimism is not a basis for a serious exchange of views among adults.

rebuzz on October 17, 2012 at 7:58 AM

Speaking of Libya, there are 2 congressional investigations going on right now, so it will stay in the news, and the more comes out, the uglier it gets – for 0, ’cause it’s starting to look like a huge coverup. just in time for debate #3 – on foreign policy.

runner on October 17, 2012 at 8:01 AM

We expect them to figure out if Cairo is different than Benghazi?

coldwarrior on October 17, 2012 at 7:50 AM

good point…

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 8:03 AM

This looks SO much like 1980 (except the media is even more in the liberal tank) it’s like deja vu all over again.

Exactly. I can’t wait for this nightmare to end.

Did you see the number of hands that went up on Luntz’s panel of those who voted for Obama who are voting for Romney? AND THESE IDIOTS VOTED FOR OBAMA.

Marcus on October 17, 2012 at 8:03 AM

so joe says candidates shouldn’t gang up on a female moderator, that’s just not right…if she can’t take it, she shouldn’t be there…

talk about condescension(sp)

cmsinaz on October 17, 2012 at 8:07 AM

Did you enjoy the puppet show last night?

Dante on October 17, 2012 at 7:48 AM

Yes, Candy’s hands maneuvering Obama’s crotch was awesome…/

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