Wrap up: The second debate; Update: Obama wins CBS insta-poll narrowly, but Romney wins big on economy; Update: Actually, Romney had a point, says Crowley

posted at 11:19 pm on October 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

The consensus among the righties that I follow on Twitter is that it was a push, with Romney acing his answer on the economy and underperforming when he finally took on The One on Libya. Better that than vice versa, though: As Ben Domenech said, only one of those is an issue that people will vote on.

There were several key exchanges — the staredown on energy, Romney politely distancing himself from Bush — but I’m giving you the economy and Libya answers below, via the Examiner and Daily Caller, respectively. Romney seemed unprepared for the pushback from Obama and his pal Candy on what he said about “acts of terror” in the Rose Garden on September 12; The One now wants us to believe that he was forthright about calling it a terrorist attack all along, when in fact he was so coy and evasive that Jay Carney had to clarify his view for the press more than two weeks later. Romney didn’t chase him on that or on all the other nonsense in the aftermath — blaming a “spontaneous protest” when even the earliest intel suggested a terror attack, running ads in Pakistan groveling over a private citizen’s insult to Mohammed, the snowballing revelations about just how indifferent State was to Chris Stevens’s security, etc. O even got to play the part of the indignant C-in-C, declaring how offended he was that anyone would accuse him of playing politics with this issue when, in fact, he’s been playing politics with it since day one. And of course, just as I expected, he finally took meaningless symbolic responsibility for the Benghazi security failure now that Hillary had covered his ass by taking responsibility herself last night.

The good news? Mitt gets another crack at the Libya attack in the next debate, which will focus exclusively on foreign policy. He’ll be very well prepared, rest assured. And since most of the media’s coverage tomorrow will focus on the Libya exchange tonight, that issue will continue to get plenty of coverage for the rest of the week. I can live with that. Exit quotation from Ben Smith: “Romney did, again, come away looking like a guy who could be president, which is probably the most important thing.” Yep.


Update: Here’s something else I can live with:

I’d much, much rather have had Romney make a strong impression on the economy than “win” overall with barely more than a one-third plurality. If you think undecideds are going to go into the booth in November and think hard about jobs, then these are the numbers you want to see.

Update: Like I said up top:

After that generic reference to “acts of terror” in the Rose Garden — which was so generic that the media forgot all about it for weeks afterward — the White House strained very hard not to call this a terror attack. They desperately wanted it to be a protest that got out of hand, all thanks to that Mohammed movie. If it’s a terror attack, then the administration has to explain why they didn’t see it coming and why The Man Who Got Bin Laden somehow let his ambassador’s compound be overrun by an Al Qaeda affiliate. Which narrative is better if you’re running a reelection campaign?

Update: I didn’t see it, but the word on Twitter is that Frank Luntz’s focus group tonight on Fox was simply brutal to Obama.

Update: I’m hearing now that Anderson Cooper challenged Crowley’s spin on the “acts of terror” comment on CNN’s post-debate show. Jay Cost is right, as usual:

Update: Note to David Axelrod: You sure you want to spend another media cycle or three on Libya?

Update: Via the Washington Free Beacon, here’s O conspicuously refusing to use the T-word to describe Benghazi — on September 25.

Update: NRO’s Patrick Brennan on why Obama’s “acts of terror” reference in the Rose Garden on September 12 wasn’t really a reference to Benghazi:

His only mention of “terror”:

“No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America.”

One could take that as a reference to acts which include the tragedy in Benghazi, obviously, but there was clearly no effort made to label it an act of terrorism. One reason why this might be: According to U.S. law, acts of terrorism are premeditated. The Obama administration’s line for days following Obama’s Rose Garden statement suggested that the attack wasn’t premeditated.

Update: Via the Examiner, now she tells us:

Upwards of 60 million people likely watched her side with Obama on Libya during the debate. How many saw this clip on CNN’s post-game show? One million, maybe?


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BISHOP!

Lanceman on October 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM

heh!

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Downgrade Lied, the truth died

Chip on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM

The Libya answer is PERFECT

think about it. Obama lied. Crowley lied.

THIS KEEPS THE LIBYA SCANDAL IN THE NEWS FOR THREE DAYS

The msm FINALLY has to cover Libya

Very nice “screw up”. It still helps mitt!

picklesgap on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM

The foreign policy debate should swing a few more points toward Mitt. Obama is an absolute empty suit in this arena.

fossten on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Romney right, Obama and water-carrier Crowley wrong on ‘act of terror’ claim
http://twitchy.com/2012/10/16/romney-right-obama-and-water-carrier-crowley-wrong-on-act-of-terror-claim/

In response to Hofstra presidential debate participant Kerry Ladka’s question about Benghazi, President Obama claimed that he called the attack an “act of terror” during his Rose Garden appearance the day after four Americans were murdered by jihadists.

Mitt Romney immediately challenged the statement — and CNN moderator Candy Crowley jumped in on Obama’s side.

Obama urged people to look at the transcript. Water-carrying Crowley should have done so before she opened her mouth and misled millions of viewers. Read in full context:

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

If Obama wanted to call the Benghazi assault a terrorist attack in that speech, he had plenty of opportunities to do so. Instead, he described it as a “terrible act,” a “brutal” act, “senseless violence,” and called the attackers “killers,” not terrorists. It’s also important to consider the context. For a week after this speech, the White House would not call it a terrorist attack. The official position was that Libya was a spontaneous response to an anti-Islam film, not a premeditated or preplanned act.

Chip on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM

And now Obama is on camera LYING

picklesgap on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Obama did better, but was on the defensive most of the night. Romney kept his cool, stumbled a little, but the aftermath seems to favor Romney on this one. Obama needed a clear win, and he didn’t get it.

manwithblackhat on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Mitt did very well.

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Missed opportunity: Obambi said he was told about the attack while it was happening. He then shifted tense and said he told his National Security Advisor find out what happened.

The obvious question: “So why didn’t you send help, dimwit?”

Mitt seemed a little slow tonight. Maybe it was the altitude.

MrLynn on October 16, 2012 at 11:18 PM

MrLynn on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM

I agree, I was disappointed in Gov. Romney’s answer but the truth is going to hurt Obama more than anything Gov. Romney could have said tonight. I was amazed at Obama, totally ignoring F & F. Nice trick.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Not a bad debate by Romney. I really appreciated him “going there” on a few of the things. If this is the best Obama has to offer, Team O is in big trouble.

MeatHeadinCA on October 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Hillary lit the fuse and threw it in Obama’s lap. She laughed tonight….

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Is this the QOTD thread?

OmahaConservative on October 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM

CBS poll had Romney winning on the economy 65%-35%.

midgeorgian on October 16, 2012 at 11:24 PM

I agree that it was at best a push. All that matters is that it does not help Obama one bit. For O, it was a needed game-changer and it was not. His Rose Garden charade will be paraded for a bit at least on some cable news. Would be shock if it makes it to the rest of the MSM…

PuritanD71 on October 16, 2012 at 11:24 PM

The best thing about this is that Romney will get a chance to nail Obama on Libya in the next debate, and that fat ass Candy Crowley won’t be there to falsely support him. This and fast and furious should be fun next time.

Chudi on October 16, 2012 at 11:24 PM

That poll that gumballs is humping, it has romney crushing obama at 65% on the economy.

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Narrative this week? Zero — and his mommy Candy Crowley — lied about Libya.

Rational Thought on October 16, 2012 at 11:24 PM

At first I was very down on Romney’s whiff on Libya… But now I think it puts the media in a very interesting dilemma. It will now HAVE to talk about Libya, after a full embargo, and people will look into Libya. And they will see that both Obama and Crowley are lying about Libya. So… win?

boone on October 16, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Crowley was awful. I hope she never moderates a debate again.

joekenha on October 16, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Thanks for the analysis I could read. I watched until the Libya part and then had to go pick up a kid. Honestly I was afraid to read any comments.
I thought it was a tough debate to watch.

ORconservative on October 16, 2012 at 11:24 PM

OBAMA LIED; CROWLEY SWORE TO IT!

reliapundit on October 16, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Good summary, but you didn’t mention Obama depending on Candy to bail him out. That’s definitely unpresidential. But I guess Valerie does that for him frequently so he expects it.

Energy, economy, Bush went well.

Another change on foreign policy. I think most are so outraged on that, the One lying didn’t matter.

INC on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Undecideds on Luntz overwhelmingly for Romney. If that is the case, then Game, Set, Match.

Tater Salad on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

I thought Mitt did fine. The Libya exchange was the most problematic, because Candy completely covered for Obama and lied in the process, herself. And what was with the audience clapping?

Overall, I think it was a push too. The bar was so low for Obama that the fact he was aggressive and tossed out red meat will be a “win” to some people, but Mitt more than held his own.

Overall, don’t think it moves the numbers much. But can we PLEASE get rid of this format, and can GOPers grow a pair and demand better moderators? Sheesh.

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Romne didn’t chase him on that or on all the other nonsense in the aftermath — blaming a “spontaneous protest” when even the earliest intel suggested a terror attack,

How was Romney supposed to “chase” him when Crowley cut Romney off and wouldn’t let him speak on it again, quickly moving on to a new question?

UnderstandingisPower on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Romney will win the election. It won’t be close.

bluegill on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Chip on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM

We can cite this stuff all we want. Won’t matter.

What everybody saw on television was Candy the Hutt and Obama tag-teaming and “totally wiping the floor” with Romney.

AP’s right. If this means we talk about the Libya failure for another week, I’m good.

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Crowley bailed out Obama on Libya just when things were getting heated. Let’s see Obama hold his own for 90 whole minutes just on foreign policy next week without constantly defaulting to “Osama’s dead, Osama’s dead.”

Romney will have plenty of opportunity to expand on every one of Obama’s infinite FP missteps. And Baraka won’t be able to default to “we wanna invest in education for our young folks” when it comes to 90 minutes on foreign policy.

Right Mover on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Please note Fast and Furious is now a valid subject for ads since Mitt brought it up. Expect to see those soon.

nobar on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Le Ugh!

Ben Smith ‏@BuzzFeedBen

.@zekejmiller made me wait til (almost) the end for the call http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/where-barack-obama-won-the-debate

Where Barack Obama Won The Debate

Libya.

VIDEO:(2:34)
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Posted Oct 16, 2012 10:37pm EDT

HEMPSTEAD, New York — Barack Obama turned his administration’s worst foreign policy disaster into a dramatic victory in Tuesday’s debate when Mitt Romney sought to stretch the criticism of the Obama Administration’s handling of the incident.

Romney’s criticism of Obama’s handling of the crisis met a stern lecture from Obama about politicizing the tragedy; and when Obama said he’d called the incident an act of terror from the start, Romney thought he saw an opening.

The Republican attacked Obama for, he said, calling the attack on Benghazi a terrorist attack until two weeks later, only to be interrupted — and corrected — brusquely moderator Candy Crowley, who noted that Obama had used the phrase “acts of terror” in the Rose Garden immediately after the attack.

Republicans later argued that he hadn’t specifically applied the phrase to Libya. “Both the president and the moderator were wrong, said Romney aide Ron Kaufman.

Obama was, however, in the Rose Garden to speak about Libya, and the context of the quote is not ambiguous — though the broader Republican complaint that the Administration at first labeled the attack the result of a spontaneous protest is accurate.

The blunder — the one moment Tuesday when a candidate seemed genuinely rattled — may have been the product of, if anything, overpreparation.

For weeks, Romney aides have been talking about Libya as a growing issue that would undermine Obama’s lead with voters on foreign policy.

“I’m telling you,” a top Romney aide told BuzzFeed last week, “Obama can’t defend the cover-up.”

But it was Romney who couldn’t defend a patently false attack, and couldn’t navigate to safe ground.

Democrats were so confident in the performance that even before the debate was over they marched in their surrogates in dramatic fashion, answering questions while Romney and Obama answered their final questions.

“We saw a rattled mitt Romney tonight,” gloated Obama press secretary Jen Psaki, who called his performance on Libya an “unmitigated disaster. “He doesn’t have a bit of credibility on foreign policy issues.”
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/where-barack-obama-won-the-debate

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:01 PM

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

The Libya answer is PERFECT

think about it. Obama lied. Crowley lied.

THIS KEEPS THE LIBYA SCANDAL IN THE NEWS FOR THREE DAYS

The msm FINALLY has to cover Libya

Very nice “screw up”. It still helps mitt!

picklesgap on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Not to mention the broaching of Obama’s Fast n Furious Guns for Gangsters scandal on the national scene.

Chip on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

What was with the clapping from the audience? That was horrible.

bluegill on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Hard to tell from here given the choppy feed, but at worst it was a draw when Obama needed a grand slam and a KO. One person said Romney hung the 47% thing out like a pinata. I’d given up on the feed by that point. On Libya, Romney seems to have muffed it. Maybe he’s keeping his powder dry for #3. I think he won the economic argument, but then I believe in small business and free markets.

skydaddy on October 16, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Crowley still taking a beating about her lie about the lie.

ha, ha, ha, ha

Libya, baby! It’s what’s for breakfast, lunch, and dinner for the next two weeks!

Rational Thought on October 16, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Nice wrap, AP. Hugh Hewitt said not to be too hard on Crowley for her faulty smack-checking, since it will keep the Libya issue alive all week. That’s a good point.

J.E. Dyer on October 16, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Sununu on Hannity. Sic ‘em John. Honey Badger don’t care.

Brat on October 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Romney clearly won the debate, and the insta-reaction from Luntz’s Dunces prove that’s the case.

However, whether Romney won/lost/whatever, the mainstream media meme is going to be about the “OBAMA COMEBACK!”

Hayabusa on October 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM

I could hardly get past how old, crusty, butch and weathered Candy Crowley is. I always assumed with a name like that she’d be a hottie…

OmahaConservative on October 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM

The foreign policy debate should swing a few more points toward Mitt. Obama is an absolute empty suit in this arena.

fossten on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Except that Obummer will order some meaningless drone attack later this week and then he & his enablers in the MSM will hold it up thru election day as an example of his stellar leadership & FP cred.

KS Rex on October 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Benghazi is meaningless in this election. The electorate could care less after the media’s parade of dead bodies on a daily basis during GWB administration. Most Americans are pretty numb and indifferent to foreign policy right now. They would rather it just go away.

Romney scored major points on the economy in a big way, again.

That’s what this chit comes down to.

Ugly debate for both sides. The crowd was just fodder. We all know these folks are ‘plants’ and such, but can we ever get anyone into these things that has genuine issues related to our current dilemma? Sincere folks? Nope. Never.

Corporal Tunnel on October 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Romney right, Obama and water-carrier Crowley wrong on ‘act of terror’ claim
http://twitchy.com/2012/10/16/romney-right-obama-and-water-carrier-crowley-wrong-on-act-of-terror-claim/

Chip on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM

We can cite this stuff all we want. Won’t matter.

What everybody saw on television was Candy the Hutt and Obama tag-teaming and “totally wiping the floor” with Romney.

AP’s right. If this means we talk about the Libya failure for another week, I’m good.

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

The more people that pay attention the more they will vote Romney Ryan.

Chip on October 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM

The good news? Mitt gets another crack at the Libya attack in the next debate

Which may have been his strategy all along. Benghazi keeps mushrooming. And now Mitt knows that a sow like Crowley will spontaneously lie to save Obama’s butt.

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Crowley was awful, ’nuff said.

Tater Salad on October 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Zeke? You’re quoting Zeke Miller? HA!

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Come Slither,er,Hither…………….(sarc).

Debate moderator Candy Crowley: ‘I expected them to come at me when I tried to reign them in.’ – @TPMLiveWire

6 mins ago from livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com by editor
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TPM LiveWire
Crowley: I Expected Candidates To ‘Come At Me’
11:08 PM EDT, Tuesday October 16, 2012
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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/crowley-i-expected-candidates-to-come-at-me

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Is this the QOTD thread?

OmahaConservative on October 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Yuh huh.

Lanceman on October 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

I did *not* like Romney’s answer on guns. There was a fantastic opportunity to defer to the U.S. Constitution in saying “I may personally believe in so-and-so, but that pesky shall not be infringed thing…”

Archivarix on October 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

I’ve never considered Obama smart, but maybe just lucky. His statement in the Rose Garden was just ambiguous enough to save his ass in this debate. We can all argue he did not directly call it a terrorist act in that speech but the ambiguity will put the issue in O’s favor with a lot of voters. Best to move on from that moment and use different methods in the next debate. In the next debate bring up the general tone for the first few weeks after the attack, don’t focus on that rose garden speech.

deuce on October 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

If in 4 years. President Romney does not insist that 2 of the debates are moderated by Chris Wallace, Brit Hume, Jake Tapper and/or Megyn Kelly, it will be a travesty.

Having 3 biased liberals and Jim Lehrer (who did a great job in retrospect) is jut unacceptable.

milcus on October 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Candy and the LongLegged MackDaddy tried to piss on Romney and ended up pissin’ in the wind.

davidk on October 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

They can’t clear this Libya thing up by Nov. 6th.

Tater Salad on October 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Also, Obama was petulant, shrill, and angry. This was Biden part 2. Again, the Left will eat it up, but they were voting for him anyway. Just as Biden’s performance didn’t play well with undecideds, though, I’m guessing Obama’s won’t either. Romney looked more presidential.

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

@ppppolls: Colorado voters give Obama a 48/44 victory in the debate- more importantly 58/36 among independents. Sample is R+3

mrscullen on October 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Obama finally admitted that he would try to pass an assault weapons ban.

DAT60A3 on October 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

I could hardly get past how old, crusty, butch and weathered Candy Crowley is. I always assumed with a name like that she’d be a hottie…

OmahaConservative on October 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM

What do you look like? I’ll bet you’re an Adonis. Really.

Corporal Tunnel on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Romney nailed it, consistently, on the economy and elsewhere. Libya got hairy, but Barry doesn’t want to go there. Too bad, we’re going there.

Romney was presidential, is ready for the job, and won it.

Barry came up short, was angry, knows he’s losing, and has nothing else to offer. If every American were Andrew Sullivan, he might have won it. He didn’t, obviously.

Punchenko on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Ay caramba. The fish stinks from the head down.

Lanceman on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

yeah……Romney lost because the dem pundits say so…..that convince me…..

Animal60 on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Crowley on CNN’s post-mortem just said the “act of terror” phrase wasn’t the point, and that the Obama administration was dragging the Youtube story out for two weeks after the attack.

DarthBrooks on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

the last CBS instant poll was D+8…just sayin’

Slade73 on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Since the State Dept. has video on the Benghazi attack, maybe they can release it like they did the Bin laden killing.

Tater Salad on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

BISHOP!

Lanceman on October 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM

We’ve got to have a little chat about this Bishop-worship of yours. I even caught you bishing in the other thread.

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

They can’t clear this Libya thing up by Nov. 6th.

Tater Salad on October 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

At least it’ll stop Downgrade from droning on about getting OBL.

Chip on October 16, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Romney held his own. Obama was engaged. Altogether, too many campaign talking points and not much new. Romney will have an opportunity next week to nail Obama on Libya and ask him if he indeed called it a terrorist attack in the Rose Garden, then why did the State Dept. spend the next week or more calling it a protest of a video, and specifically why did the UN Ambassador specifically say there was no evidence that it was terrorist? Make him back the bus up and run Hillary! over a second time . . .

tpitman on October 16, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Zeke Miller ‏@ZekeJMiller

Romney camp: “OBAMA’S SHIFTING ACCOUNT OF THE BENGHAZI ATTACKS”

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Obama lied on Benghazi, lied on energy, lied on immigration, and I’m sure there’s more. I don’t think his attempts at Bidenus Interruptus will help him with undecided voters. Mitt wins on substance, on his consistent pounding of Obama’s record.

TarheelBen on October 16, 2012 at 11:31 PM

The Romney campaign and the RNC are crafting the Benghazi/rose garden ad as we dally here.

It will doubtless be on the air tomorrow morning.

thatsafactjack on October 16, 2012 at 11:31 PM

First, why does Obama waste valuable debate time by fillibustering the first minute of each and every response time that he has?

Second, ABC News thinks the 44 vs 40 minute advantage that Obama enjoyed was inmaterial and not noticeable to viewers. I heartily disagree as the difference was obvious starting about half way through the debate. Giving any debater the opening and closing responses to a question is not and never will be equable.

parke on October 16, 2012 at 11:31 PM

I said this on the other debate thread, but I’ll repeat it quick kthnx:

Independents could care less about this debate.

The Preezy had months to convince them to take his side. The debate two weeks ago exposed him for the naked emperor that he is, and independents saw that. One slightly stronger performance by the Preezy isn’t going to corral them back into the Democrat camp.

blatantblue on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

The momentum continues…

d1carter on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Just imagining all of the additional bullets Romney never loaded tonight. He did attack on several key aspects of leadership failure, which is significant. Obama’s only real attacks on Romney were on women’s issues, which, if anyone stopped to think about it, is NOT relevant to the Presidency, since any governmental involvement in those issues is fiscal, and therefore Congressional (unless you make law via EO).

Economy, energy, not-Bush, Fast & Furious, all went Romney’s way, and even then, he didn’t press several points of attack that he could have (and the Obama campaign owes Candy Crowley a very expensive vacation for her support).

The news will call it slightly for Obama. And they will be using heavier false weighting than they do with selective polling, so adjust accordingly.

Romney looked more like the guy who belongs in the Oval Office. On style, on merit, on governance, on gravitas, on maturity. The truly undecideds will tilt right if they watched tonight.

Freelancer on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Benghazi is meaningless in this election. The electorate could care less after the media’s parade of dead bodies on a daily basis during GWB administration. Most Americans are pretty numb and indifferent to foreign policy right now. They would rather it just go away.

Romney scored major points on the economy in a big way, again.

That’s what this chit comes down to.

Ugly debate for both sides. The crowd was just fodder. We all know these folks are ‘plants’ and such, but can we ever get anyone into these things that has genuine issues related to our current dilemma? Sincere folks? Nope. Never.

Corporal Tunnel on October 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM

If Benghazi is meaningless in this election, why did the POTUS just lie about it in front of 50+ million Americans?

ghostwriter on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Zeke? You’re quoting Zeke Miller? HA!

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

wargammer: And Andrew!:)

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

U of Colorado Study: 77% likelihood Romney wins popular vote…

Lanceman on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

I just had one of my uber-prog Facebook friends post this:

Thank you, Candy Crowley. A journalist’s role is to report the truth. Glad you spoke up and squashed Romney’s “gotcha” moment by bringing FACTS to the table. Serves Romney right that he finally “got” himself. See ya later, Mr. Flip Flop.

Ummm, hello, dumbass. Crowley’s role tonight was moderator. It wasn’t her place to “report” anything. More liberal idiocy. SMH.

Dominion on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

What do you look like? I’ll bet you’re an Adonis. Really.

Corporal Tunnel on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

A royally stupid argument. The fat byotch is on TV. If she were smart, insightful, or just unbiased, we might have overlooked her wrinkled face and thunderous behind. Unfortunately, she’s neither.

Archivarix on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

I could hardly get past how old, crusty, butch and weathered Candy Crowley is. I always assumed with a name like that she’d be a hottie…

OmahaConservative on October 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM

It is obviously the fondness for it, not looking like it.

Animal60 on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Obama still hasn’t been able to defend his record or lay out a coherent vision for a second term. He can’t and he won’t.

Right Mover on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Obonga got a lot of jabs in, but crowley kept Romney from jabbing back.

Red Creek on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

post debate coverage has been focusing on Candy’s hackery.

rndmusrnm on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Oh, that is priceless. Team Obama thinks they can STILL make this a foreign policy election?? In 3 weeks? Hilarious.

rockmom on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Yes, Romney can nail Obama on Libya and his failed foreign policies in the next debate. The good news is that the media will spend the rest of the week unraveling who was right on Libya, which means *PRESTO* we are talking about Libya and the Team Obama cover-up. I’ll take it.

Agree with Ben Smith too. I never felt that with McCain–he was always an old guy giving the ol’ college try. I appreciated his service & sacrifice for our country, but never really felt he could be president. Romney looks, acts, and speaks as a President.

conservative pilgrim on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Second, ABC News thinks the 44 vs 40 minute advantage that Obama enjoyed was inmaterial and not noticeable to viewers. I heartily disagree as the difference was obvious starting about half way through the debate. Giving any debater the opening and closing responses to a question is not and never will be equable.

parke on October 16, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Yeah, that was ridiculous. How many times was Romney refused rebuttal time, because she wanted to move on to the next asinine question?

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

I missed the debate. From the few comments I was able to follow, Crowley was fully on 0bama’s side? Really?

Althouse, I like reading her take as a moderate who voted for the 0 last time, is PO’ed over this.

The libs here are crowing like it was a beatdown on Romney. Righties go for a draw or small Romney win. Squishy moderates are wetting their jammies.

Is that about right?

Man, it was only the second time my wife went shooting and she was getting 2″ groupings on .22, three different 9mm’s and a .40 at 25′. Talk about impressive.

cozmo on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

I could hardly get past how old, crusty, butch and weathered Candy Crowley is. I always assumed with a name like that she’d be a hottie…

OmahaConservative on October 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM

See must have been hot in the day. Think how many strippers were named after her in the years since.

pedestrian on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

President Romney was in the house tonight. This country “does not have to live like this.”

More on Lybia all week and BLAMO! at the next debate.

Romney and Ryan: winners of the job interview with America.

KCsecurity1976 on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

You have a big Candy ass moderator covering for a whiny, pathetic little ass.

bayview on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

9/12 Terror

9/16 Film

10/16 Terror

Next week, Big Bird will have caused the attack.

faraway on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

the last CBS instant poll was D+8…just sayin’

Slade73 on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

It was also an instant poll. Which means the topline numbers are probably bullcrap, but the respondents favored Romney on the economy, no question. Good enough for me.

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

We’ve got to have a little chat about this Bishop-worship of yours. I even caught you bishing in the other thread.

John the Libertarian on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

No sir, you did not. Only KOTD.

Lanceman on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Points for Obama. Votes for Romney.

Curtiss on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Except that Obummer will order some meaningless drone attack later this week and then he & his enablers in the MSM will hold it up thru election day as an example of his stellar leadership & FP cred.

KS Rex on October 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Cynical and pessimistic, and I think an inaccurate prediction.

The bad guys don’t always win even though they cheat.

Obama is a bad President. So was Carter. Carter lost badly.

fossten on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Yeah, we shouldn’t let Meatloaf moderate another debate.

LilyBart on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

*****Just In *************************

PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls

Colorado voters give Obama a 48/44 victory in the debate- more importantly 58/36 among independents. Sample is R+3

https://twitter.com/ppppolls

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

And Romney didn’t give Obama any more “Big Birds” to snark about in ads or speeches for the next week.

Romney is leading this race now and Obama needed to knock him out tonight. He didn’t. He and his gang don’t know how to run from behind.

rockmom on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Fast and Furious was a no go for BHO and his moderator…

d1carter on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

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