Romney hits 50%, leads by 4 in PPP/Daily Kos national poll

posted at 10:01 am on October 16, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Last week, I approvingly linked the Daily Kos’ report on the PPP poll it commissioned when it showed Mitt Romney leading by two point, 49/47.  Markos Moulitsas responded with some snark on Twitter, wondering if I’d link future polling from his site, and I said I probably would.  Since I am a man of my word, here is the latest Daily Kos/PPP weekly polling result — which turned out to be even more painful than the first for Markos:

Public Policy Polling for Daily Kos & SEIU. 10/12-14. Likely voters. MoE ±2.5% (10/4-7 results)

The candidates for President are Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt Romney. If the election was today, who would you vote for?Obama 46 (47)
Romney 50 (49)

At a time when other polls are moving back in the president’s direction, our own weekly poll by Public Policy Polling saw the opposite—a two-point Romney gain. Per day:

Friday (38%) Obama 47, Romney 49
Saturday (39%) Obama 49, Romney 47
Sunday (24%) Obama 43, Romney 55

That Sunday sample, about a quarter of the total, was entirely responsible for Romney’s favorable numbers. That’s why the good pollsters collect data over multiple days, to smooth out such irregularities. And at 400 respondents (or so), Sunday had a single-day MoE of 4.9 percent. Lots of polls float around with worse. On the other hand, Saturday’s sample MoE was 3.92 percent, while Friday’s was 3.97 percent. And with no external news even suggesting the big Sunday collapse, it certainly smells like an outlier.

You know an election is going poorly when an outfit commissions a poll, and then tries to argue that part of the results from its own poll is an outlier.  Those Sunday results probably are an outlier, but they’re eye-popping nonetheless.  On a day when conservatives tend not to conduct a lot of political business, the responders gave Romney a twelve-point lead over Obama.  As Markos notes, that sample has a margin of error of less than five points, too, with roughly 400 responses.

The news gets worse for Obama in the subsamples:

Swing state Obama 47, Romney 50
Blue state Obama 52, Romney 45
Red State Obama 40, Romney 56

Two weeks ago, it was Obama leading Romney 50-46 in the Swing states. But he was also winning Blue states by 56-37, and losing Red states by just 41-52. Actually, the change in Red states is smaller (-5) compared to Blue states (-12) and Swing states (-7).

This lends some credence to the Mitt-mentum theory of a preference cascade already beginning.  That’s not to say the election is over, but it does mean that it’s no longer Mitt Romney that needs a game changer.  It’s Barack Obama.


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Just showing the polls catching up with reality! BISHOP

Zomcon JEM on October 16, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Question: When will the Kos Kidz start denouncing Kos/SEIU as the new Hitler pollster?

Lance Murdock on October 16, 2012 at 10:04 AM

No surprise here. Republicans work on weekdays, while Democrats sit home and answer phone polls. On Sundays, however, Republicans spend time home with their families. Sunday polls are always more favorable.

Archivarix on October 16, 2012 at 10:04 AM

This lends some credence to the Mitt-mentum theory of a preference cascade already beginning. That’s not to say the election is over, but it does mean that it’s no longer Mitt Romney that needs a game changer. It’s Barack Obama.

I really hope Mitt delivers the knockout blow tonight.

Doughboy on October 16, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Let’s keep the petal to the floorboard until even Michelle is second-guessing her vote.

turfmann on October 16, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Sunday (24%) Obama 43, Romney 55

that trendline is starting to resemble the infamous ‘hockey stick’ graph of Climategate fame….er….infamy.

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM

I want to vote so hard to make Michelle Obama unproud of her country again.

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Occam’s Razor:

Obama is a bad President. Romney is a reasonable alternative. Obama will lose. All the rest is noise.

mitchellvii on October 16, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Hey Gumbo!

USA Today Gallup Swing States

Romney 50%
Obama 46%

Oh wait that was yesterday’s old and outdated poll

6% shift overnight(oh so very plausible) per Rasmussen swing state poll

Obama 49
Romney 47

bgibbs1000 on October 16, 2012 at 10:09 AM

This polling company,PPP, is obviously racist since it does not favor Obama with its results. The sample should have been +16% Democrat over Republican.

The Huffing Post should denounce the Daily Kos for employing a racist polling company.

MikeM on October 16, 2012 at 10:09 AM

My next door neighbor’s voodoo priestess friend threw her bones and they all came up Obama. Romney is doomed.

gummedbrain October 16, 2012 at half past never

NotCoach on October 16, 2012 at 10:09 AM

That’s not to say the election is over, but it does mean that it’s no longer Mitt Romney that needs a game changer. It’s Barack Obama.

hey, no worries, champ. Take the rest of the day off…no pressure, none at all. I mean, if ya got all stressed out, ya might choke and throw a bad pitch. Maybe you should wear your lucky mom jeans today, I hear those help you throw strikes. /

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 10:09 AM

I demand that a certain cartoon character come in here now and refute these lies!!!!!

D-fusit on October 16, 2012 at 10:10 AM

I thought it would be between 3-5% this week, and next week it will top 5%, the pollsters will be hesitant to go much further than that. But by election day, it will be closer to 7% or above.

As the election gets closer, reality sets in…Obama will try and throw a few bombs tonight, but Mitt won’t be taken off his game.

Mitt knows not to get into a tussle, Obama has to win big, Mitt only has to hold his own.

It’s like a batter in the 9th with 2 outs, who has to hit a home run…he has to, and the pitcher can walk him if he wants because 1st base is open.

Obama may get lucky and hit a home run…but more than likely, he will be Casey at the bat.

The sneer is gone from Casey’s Obama’s lip, his teeth are clenched in hate;
He pounds with cruel violence his bat upon the plate.
And now the pitcher holds the ball, and now he lets it go,
And now the air is shattered by the force of Casey’s Obama’s blow.

Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
But there is no joy in Mudville liberalville – mighty Casey Obama has struck out.

right2bright on October 16, 2012 at 10:10 AM

That’s not to say the election is over, but it does mean that it’s no longer Mitt Romney that needs a game changer. It’s Barack Obama.

It’s a virtual certainty the media will claim he gets that tonight.

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Let’s keep the petal to the floorboard until even Michelle is second-guessing her vote.

turfmann on October 16, 2012 at 10:06 AM

She voted early. The best we can do is make her regret it.

NotCoach on October 16, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Already voted for R and R here in Ohio as did the wife. Obama signs are around, but are outnumbered at least 2 to 1 in my part of central OH.

gsherin on October 16, 2012 at 10:10 AM

>>This lends some credence to the Mitt-mentum theory of a preference cascade already beginning.

My two favorite words….

Otto Zilch on October 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM

pleeeeeeeaze

Markos isn’t capable of snark

Slade73 on October 16, 2012 at 10:12 AM

There is no better metaphor…

The Outlook wasn’t brilliant for the Mudville nine that day:
The score stood four to two, with but one inning more to play.
And then when Cooney died at first, and Barrows did the same,
A sickly silence fell upon the patrons of the game.

A straggling few got up to go in deep despair. The rest
Clung to that hope which springs eternal in the human breast;
They thought, if only Casey could get but a whack at that -
We’d put up even money, now, with Casey at the bat.

But Flynn preceded Casey, as did also Jimmy Blake,
And the former was a lulu and the latter was a cake;
So upon that stricken multitude grim melancholy sat,
For there seemed but little chance of Casey’s getting to the bat.

But Flynn let drive a single, to the wonderment of all,
And Blake, the much despis-ed, tore the cover off the ball;
And when the dust had lifted, and the men saw what had occurred,
There was Jimmy safe at second and Flynn a-hugging third.

Then from 5,000 throats and more there rose a lusty yell;
It rumbled through the valley, it rattled in the dell;
It knocked upon the mountain and recoiled upon the flat,
For Casey, mighty Casey, was advancing to the bat.

There was ease in Casey’s manner as he stepped into his place;
There was pride in Casey’s bearing and a smile on Casey’s face.
And when, responding to the cheers, he lightly doffed his hat,
No stranger in the crowd could doubt ’twas Casey at the bat.

Ten thousand eyes were on him as he rubbed his hands with dirt;
Five thousand tongues applauded when he wiped them on his shirt.
Then while the writhing pitcher ground the ball into his hip,
Defiance gleamed in Casey’s eye, a sneer curled Casey’s lip.

And now the leather-covered sphere came hurtling through the air,
And Casey stood a-watching it in haughty grandeur there.
Close by the sturdy batsman the ball unheeded sped-
“That ain’t my style,” said Casey. “Strike one,” the umpire said.

From the benches, black with people, there went up a muffled roar,
Like the beating of the storm-waves on a stern and distant shore.
“Kill him! Kill the umpire!” shouted someone on the stand;
And its likely they’d a-killed him had not Casey raised his hand.

With a smile of Christian charity great Casey’s visage shone;
He stilled the rising tumult; he bade the game go on;
He signaled to the pitcher, and once more the spheroid flew;
But Casey still ignored it, and the umpire said, “Strike two.”

“Fraud!” cried the maddened thousands, and echo answered fraud;
But one scornful look from Casey and the audience was awed.
They saw his face grow stern and cold, they saw his muscles strain,
And they knew that Casey wouldn’t let that ball go by again.

The sneer is gone from Casey’s lip, his teeth are clenched in hate;
He pounds with cruel violence his bat upon the plate.
And now the pitcher holds the ball, and now he lets it go,
And now the air is shattered by the force of Casey’s blow.

Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
But there is no joy in Mudville – mighty Casey has struck out.

right2bright on October 16, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Here gumby gumby gumby..

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 10:12 AM

I really hope Mitt delivers the knockout blow tonight.

Doughboy on October 16, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Among other things, a significant Romney lead could increase his coattails … and allow Republicans to devote more resources toward Senate races. It’s an exponential effect.

aunursa on October 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM

OK, AND NOW FOR YOUR DAILY DOSE OF WTF?

With every poll showing Romney surging both nationally and in swing states, Rasmussen of all people shows a 4 point surge to Obama in swings states in last few days!?

WTF?

According to Rasmussen, Romney leads nationally by 2 today yet trails in swing states by 2. This was a 2 point Romney lead just days ago? Weird.

This supports my point made previously that there is every indication Rasmussen is using a 2008 model like everyone else.

mitchellvii on October 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM

At one point Kos tweeted yesterday that today’s polls would be the most depressing yet.

Dash on October 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Debates mean nothing, until they mean something.

I paid for this microphone, Mr. Green!

LoganSix on October 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Question:

Is it hard for President to come back? At this point Romney needs to screw something up big right?

Oil Can on October 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM

The day before the first debate, the Daily Caller released the old “racism” vids and it probably added to knocking Prez Hussein off balance.

This “admission” from Hillary cannot be a net-plus for BHO because it really makes him look powerless and timid to admit to his responsibilities.

He may be off his game again tonight.

Don’t mess with the Clintons. This was a chess play by them.

tru2tx on October 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM

WELCOME TO PRESIDENT MITT ROMNEY AND VICE-PRESIDENT PAUL RYAN

Now, Team Romney needs to switch tactics to boosting up the downticket Senate races. Ryan started yesterday with a trip to Wisconsin to help Tommy Thompson. How ’bout some luvin’ for the gal down in New Mexico, and Linda McMahon in Connecticut, Liz Emken in California, Linda Lingle in Hawaii, and Tom Roberts in Pennsylvania? Let’s push the Senate majority to near 60!

ericdondero on October 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Last week, I approvingly linked the Daily Kos’ report on the PPP poll it commissioned when it showed Mitt Romney leading by two point, 49/47. Markos Moulitsas responded with some snark on Twitter, wondering if I’d link future polling from his site, and I said I probably would. Since I am a man of my word, here is the latest Daily Kos/PPP weekly polling result — which turned out to be even more painful than the first for Markos:

HAHAHAHAHAHA. GO ED!

Chuck Schick on October 16, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Markos Moulitsas ‏@markos

Bank it: Our PPP poll will have the most pessimistic Obama numbers of the week.

Dash on October 16, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Humpbot come quickly!

22044 on October 16, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Sunday polls are always more favorable.

Archivarix on October 16, 2012 at 10:04 AM

I think you spelled ‘accurate’ wrong.

Washington Nearsider on October 16, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Tonight will be another performance by President Uhh. I’ll be watching the Yankees lose again, though.

22044 on October 16, 2012 at 10:16 AM

B-b-but, dog on the roof!!!!111!!!1!

Ward Cleaver on October 16, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Democrats trying to snark it up is like pissing in the wind…it just smells bad and blows up in their faces

Slade73 on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Well, looks like Romney has it in the bag. Fine. As I’ve said, and no one is really able to answer me without hurling insults (like, “face it you’re a lousy 12% of the population” ala Lanceman). What will Hot Air do when Mitt Romney eliminates the home interest loan deduction to pay for lower tax rates for high income earners. It will be interesting.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Breakaway speed.

JeremiahJohnson on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Another odd point about Rasmussen.

He has been on a literal crusade to remind us daily that DEBATES DON’T MATTER. Despite all evidence to the contrary he even now is telling is that Romney’s debate win has changed very little.

It seems based upon his polling that he is almost invested in proving himself right.

A 4 point surge to Obama in swing state polling over the last 2 days makes no sense at all. As a matter of fact, As Romney has surged nationally he has plunged in state races. Very very odd.

mitchellvii on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Talked to my daddy-in-law yesterday. His son is a Jewish trial lawyer from Manhattan dating a local TV celeb – a poster child for liberalism if there ever was one – and he plans to vote for Romney. Maybe New York *is* in play, after all.

Archivarix on October 16, 2012 at 10:18 AM

be very wary of the PPP poll, they could be using it to show Obama as the comeback kid after the 2nd debate

commodore on October 16, 2012 at 10:18 AM

What kind of smear are the 0bamatons working on now? Surely they’ve got some kind of dirty trick in the works.

Ward Cleaver on October 16, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Man, two outliers in a row!

Red Cloud on October 16, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Hey Lanceman, your friend is back!

22044 on October 16, 2012 at 10:19 AM

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

And, if Obama gets in, what will you do when he taxes 40% of your earnings?

kingsjester on October 16, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Well, looks like Romney has it in the bag. Fine. As I’ve said, and no one is really able to answer me without hurling insults (like, “face it you’re a lousy 12% of the population” ala Lanceman). What will Hot Air do when Mitt Romney eliminates the home interest loan deduction to pay for lower tax rates for high income earners. It will be interesting.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Why are you worried about you live in public housing now go back to bed

Conservative4ev on October 16, 2012 at 10:20 AM

And another note on Scott Rasmussen.

Everyone seems to believe that the Rasmussen is a republican leaning poll but unless I’m mistaken isn’t Scott Rasmussen a registered democrat?

bgibbs1000 on October 16, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Well, looks like Romney has it in the bag. Fine. As I’ve said, and no one is really able to answer me without hurling insults (like, “face it you’re a lousy 12% of the population” ala Lanceman). What will Hot Air do when Mitt Romney eliminates the home interest loan deduction to pay for lower tax rates for high income earners. It will be interesting.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Just for the record, I did read that correctly right?
The next three weeks can’t go by fast enough.

D-fusit on October 16, 2012 at 10:21 AM

What will Hot Air do when Mitt Romney eliminates the home interest loan deduction to pay for lower tax rates for high income earners. It will be interesting.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

I would take it in stride. Lower taxes for job creators it means my employer will be able to continue paying my salary. It’s better to pay a higher tax from a high salary than no tax from funemloyment bennies.

Archivarix on October 16, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Rasmussen is a registered douche bag, just like every pollster ever

Slade73 on October 16, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Obama is a ahead in some poll somewhere..real or imaginary..FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP DERP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP………………………….

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 10:12 AM

HumpBot Salvation on October 16, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Kosacts or Kostards? I can never remember. Is Charles still around? If he is, what does he think? Cause unless Charles approves of this sample, I’m not sure the rest of us should.

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 10:22 AM

OK, AND NOW FOR YOUR DAILY DOSE OF WTF?

With every poll showing Romney surging both nationally and in swing states, Rasmussen of all people shows a 4 point surge to Obama in swings states in last few days!?

WTF?

According to Rasmussen, Romney leads nationally by 2 today yet trails in swing states by 2. This was a 2 point Romney lead just days ago? Weird.

This supports my point made previously that there is every indication Rasmussen is using a 2008 model like everyone else.

mitchellvii on October 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Don’t sweat Rasmussen. His polls swing back and forth depending on what 3-day rolling average is used.

Doughboy on October 16, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Mitt ought to drop in the words “cookie monster” into tonight’s debate just for a wee bit of levity and comedy gold for the next week…..

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM

What will Hot Air do when Mitt Romney eliminates the home interest loan deduction to pay for lower tax rates for high income earners. It will be interesting.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Could you link us to where he has proposed that? Or is that something that you just “think” will happen, something you state so you don’t have to admit you are just plain wrong.

Link please…as if you would, you never do have a link to your imaginary statements of “fact”…

The only home mortgage he is talking about eliminating is on second homes for wealthy people, not your primary residence…

Asked about the deductions in an interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, Romney said, “I can tell you, with regards to the deductions you describe — home mortgage interest deduction and charitable contributions — there will, of course, continue to be preferences for those types of expenses.”

right2bright on October 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Will the morning joe crew tout this poll like they have with the ABC poll showing dear leader at 50%

Crickets I tell ya

cmsinaz on October 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Rasmussen has been showing both the national number and the swing state number +/- 2 pts either way for weeks now.

Remember that all Obama has to do tonight is show up with a pulse and he will be the winner according to the pundits/headlines/public/polls.

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM

And, if Obama gets in, what will you do when he taxes 40% of your earnings?

kingsjester on October 16, 2012 at 10:19 AM

What? Obama is gonna tax the free phone and food stamps?

the_nile on October 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Rasmussen is in the polling business. You make adjustments to keep the results close so more people keep their eye on your website. How often do you visit a site where the poll has Obama +11?

nitzsche on October 16, 2012 at 10:25 AM

A 4 point surge to Obama in swing state polling over the last 2 days makes no sense at all. As a matter of fact, As Romney has surged nationally he has plunged in state races. Very very odd.

mitchellvii on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Well, he’s leading in other tracking on swing state polling, so Ras could very well be wrong. I think this is a margin of error race at this point, and that’s pretty much what his poll tells us.

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 10:25 AM

I would take it in stride. Lower taxes for job creators it means my employer will be able to continue paying my salary. It’s better to pay a higher tax from a high salary than no tax from funemloyment bennies.

Archivarix on October 16, 2012 at 10:21 AM

So you’re actually advocating a higher middle class tax cut? How odd, why isn’t Romney being honest about that as part of his plan?

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

The Busy Bee for lunch? Then we can run across the street to Morehouse and work on getting those fine folks straight. Pick you up at say, 12:00?

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM

We need to give Mitt some “gotcha” lines:

Here is mine:

“Instead of focusing on eliminating Big Bird, I would rather eliminate the Big Spender”…

right2bright on October 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM

What will Hot Air do when Mitt Romney eliminates the home interest loan deduction to pay for lower tax rates for high income earners. It will be interesting.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

You still don’t get it. The Romney plan is to lower all tax rates and reform the tax code to get rid of deductions, etc. So, the idea is that everyone ends up paying roughly the same in taxes and the same percentage of the tax burden falls on each “class”.

Thus, eliminating the deduction shouldn’t change the taxes one pays by much, if at all.

In contrast, Obama has no plan to accomplish anything – much like the last 4 years. No plan to reduce the deficit (aside from the asinine “make the rich pay more”, which accomplishes almost nothing in terms of raising revenue), no plan to reduce the debt, in fact has plans to increase both by increased spending and Obamacare if it remains in place.

Hell, I would make a straight trade of the elimination of mortgage interest for repealing Obamacare. It would be worth it to save our health care system and the economy from the ravages that Obamacare is going to cause.

Monkeytoe on October 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM

It looks like Rasmussen is now using a D+5 sample.

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM

What will Hot Air do when Mitt Romney eliminates the home interest loan deduction to pay for lower tax rates for high income earners. It will be interesting.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Romney wants to eliminate the home interest deduction on second homes, not those with only one home. Those who can afford two homes will be fine.

Washington Nearsider on October 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Let’s keep the petal to the floorboard until even Michelle is second-guessing her vote.

turfmann on October 16, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Won’t happen. Moochelle announced on radio yesterday that the US is in the midst of a HUGE recovery. News to us of course by Moochelle is close to teh Owe.

katablog.com on October 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM

g&p seems lazy this morning.

22044 on October 16, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Obama will win.

libfreeordie on October 11, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Well, looks like Romney has it in the bag. Fine.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Chuck Schick on October 16, 2012 at 10:27 AM

What will Hot Air do when Mitt Romney eliminates the home interest loan deduction to pay for lower tax rates for high income earners. It will be interesting.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

First, we’ll address fantasy and dishonesty. Romney has stated he will cut rates across the board. So if everyone’s rates are lowered, why would the home mortgage deduction removal matter? It would be a wash.

Now let us address reality. While I am all for a streamlined tax code, it is highly unlikely Congress will kill the mortgage deduction. You may as well spread around some nonsense about how Romney will kill Medicare as well. Both fantasies don’t come anywhere near passing the smell test.

NotCoach on October 16, 2012 at 10:28 AM

What will Hot Air do when Mitt Romney eliminates the home interest loan deduction to pay for lower tax rates for high income earners. It will be interesting.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

We’ll probably say ‘the high income earners lost their home interest loan deduction, too, so their taxes went up as well”. Something like that.

joejm65 on October 16, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Well, looks like Romney has it in the bag. Fine. As I’ve said, and no one is really able to answer me without hurling insults (like, “face it you’re a lousy 12% of the population” ala Lanceman). What will Hot Air do when Mitt Romney eliminates the home interest loan deduction to pay for lower tax rates for high income earners. It will be interesting.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

I don’t know about anyone else, but when I bought my house, I was only able to claim the interest for the first two years. After that, the standard deduction was higher. With interest rates in the 3-4% range, how many people are there who will even use the interest deduction? Not many. Also, when you take into account that without ObamaCare we will all receive a reduction in health insurance premiums and health care costs, without Obama we will drill, frack and mine our way out of energy dependance to lower prices at the pump, and to heat our homes. You are too narrowly focused.

Night Owl on October 16, 2012 at 10:29 AM

g&p seems lazy this morning.

22044 on October 16, 2012 at 10:27 AM

I think the overwhelming realization that 0 is done, is just setting in.

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 10:30 AM

“Racism” is spreading like wildfire!!

Deano1952 on October 16, 2012 at 10:30 AM

be very wary of the PPP poll, they could be using it to show Obama as the comeback kid after the 2nd debate

commodore on October 16, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Yeah, pay attention to this.

PPP could be telling me Romney has a 16 point lead on November 5th, and I’d still be waiting to see what turd covered shoe they drop on the morning of election day. I don’t trust Partisan Policy Polling even slightly…

Gingotts on October 16, 2012 at 10:30 AM

It looks like Rasmussen is now using a D+5 sample.

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM

No comment about PPP? Too painful?

Chuck Schick on October 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Well, looks like Romney has it in the bag. Fine. As I’ve said, and no one is really able to answer me without hurling insults (like, “face it you’re a lousy 12% of the population” ala Lanceman). What will Hot Air do when Mitt Romney eliminates the home interest loan deduction to pay for lower tax rates for high income earners. It will be interesting.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Why not take him at face value, and use liberal talking points only if, oh, I dont know, they actually happen?

Mitt Romney has said that while he will lower rates for everyone, he will still have high earners pay the same rate. He has also said that most deductions would be eliminated for high income earners, not people in the middle class. So, I am not sure why you need to erect a straw man argument just to save face.

milcus on October 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Romney wants to eliminate the home interest deduction on second homes, not those with only one home. Those who can afford two homes will be fine.

Washington Nearsider on October 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Is that how he is going to handle the mortgage interest deduction?

I figured he would simply place a cap on it, thus providing it to only people who buy a home worth less than “X” amount of dollars.

JohnGalt23 on October 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Obama will win.

libfreeordie on October 11, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Well, looks like Romney has it in the bag. Fine.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Chuck Schick on October 16, 2012 at 10:27 AM

THIS

22044 on October 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM

What will Hot Air do when Mitt Romney eliminates the home interest loan deduction to pay for lower tax rates for high income earners. It will be interesting.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

What will Hot Air do?

What can Hot Air do?

Obviously you don’t own a home yourself, otherwise you would know that it’s called the “home loan interest deduction”, not the “home interest loan deduction”.

Besides, you’re not (as usual) telling us the whole story. Romney proposed doing this the day before the first debate. As I recall, he lost that debate convincingly, at least according to O’bamna.

besides, his plan calls for a 20% tax rate cut across the board. How come you’re afraid to mention that small detail?

Del Dolemonte on October 16, 2012 at 10:32 AM

What will Hot Air do when Mitt Romney eliminates the home interest loan deduction to pay for lower tax rates for high income earners. It will be interesting.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Hey, idiot. First of all, he never said he’s going to eliminate the mortgage deduction, at least not for middle income folks. Secondly, even if he does, the whole point is to eliminate deductions and lower the overall rates for all taxpayers. If the tradeoff is that I pay the same overall taxes, but the taxpayer base is expanded to include more Americans, that’s a good thing IMO. It’s insane to have nearly half the nation paying zero in federal income taxes.

Doughboy on October 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM

lots of stuff is in the bag – John Boehner for one – but this election is still up for grabs. Too many stupid people who still think Will.I.Am is cool.

Slade73 on October 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Oh, and since Lanceman isn’t here, I will tell you that he didn’t mean to damage your soul.

Night Owl on October 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM

What will Hot Air do when Mitt Romney eliminates the home interest loan deduction to pay for lower tax rates for high income earners. It will be interesting.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

I’d be very pleased if he did it. (And yes, I own a house). But Romney is not proposing eliminating the deduction for everyone — just for the very wealthy, and for owners of more than one home. Those are people who never should have been allowed to use the deduction in the first place, so I doubt you’ll find many people here (or anywhere) who object.

AZCoyote on October 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Just popped my early ballot in the mail

Gotv!

Don’t get cocky folks :)

Prayers for mitt to have a great night tonight
..drink one for me ha crew

cmsinaz on October 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM

I want to vote so hard to make Michelle Obama unproud of her country again.

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM

..well, just be sure you take a few knuckleheads with you to the polling place.

:-D

The War Planner on October 16, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Del Dolemonte on October 16, 2012 at 10:32 AM

I also love the part where he projects his own prejudices upon the rest of us and believes we are envious of successful people.

NotCoach on October 16, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Tonight’s effort becomes even more important but, happily, Romney simply needs to keep up his present success. Keep talking about the future, and pointing out how little positive has come from the last four years.

21 days to go. Please, lord, give us the national salvation we so urgently need.

MTF on October 16, 2012 at 10:34 AM

So, I am not sure why you need to erect a straw man argument just to save face.

milcus on October 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Because that’s all he can do?

ShadowsPawn on October 16, 2012 at 10:34 AM

..drink one for me ha crew

cmsinaz on October 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM

..starting right now, cms!

The War Planner on October 16, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Romney wants to eliminate the home interest deduction on second homes, not those with only one home. Those who can afford two homes will be fine.

Washington Nearsider on October 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Is that how he is going to handle the mortgage interest deduction?

I figured he would simply place a cap on it, thus providing it to only people who buy a home worth less than “X” amount of dollars.

JohnGalt23 on October 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM

I’m not sure if that’s his actual plan, but it’s what he said he would do. It makes sense to me. Tying it to the value of a house is somewhat risky, as valuation is fluid. You could buy a house in 2013 that is under the limit, and by 2014, the value increases, and you’re back on the hook.

Washington Nearsider on October 16, 2012 at 10:34 AM

What will Hot Air do when Mitt Romney eliminates the home interest loan deduction to pay for lower tax rates for high income earners. It will be interesting.

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Well with interest rates on mortgages at an all time low and people taking advantage of it many people who previously qualified to itemize may not even meet those qualifications even if they include their home mortgage interest when trying to itemize. Ad in Romney’s lower rates and simplification and it makes a lot of sense.

bgibbs1000 on October 16, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Everyone needs to STOP getting ahead of themselves, still 3 weeks until election anything can happen.

opustx on October 16, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Remember that all Obama has to do tonight is show up with a pulse and he will be the winner according to the pundits/headlines/public/polls.

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Assuming that is true – and? Do you think that will change the trajectory of the race? Do you believe that “obama showing up with a pulse” will suddenly stop the bleeding in the polls that Obama has been doing in the polls for the past 3 weeks?

Your comments are pretty consistent that the polls don’t mean anything, that the movement means nothing, that no matter what the polls are saying Obama is going to win. Perhaps you believe that, but the facts don’t bear out that Obama has it in the bag as much as you claim. Yes, it appears to be close, but it also appears that Romney is gaining if not leading at this point.

Monkeytoe on October 16, 2012 at 10:35 AM

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Spin spin spin, you coward.

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 10:35 AM

“g&p seems lazy this morning.

22044 on October 16, 2012 at 10:27 AM

I think the overwhelming realization that 0 is done, is just setting in.

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 10:30 AM”

Not at all. Obama leads in Ohio, and that’s the story of the election so far. If polls would start to show Romney up 2-4 pts there, then we’ll talk about Romney having a chance.

As far as PPP goes, beware of them setting the stage for an Obama “comeback” and surge in momentum following tonight’s debate.

If Romney underperforms tonight, he’ll crash in the swing states.

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 10:36 AM

The next debate will be a game-changer for Obama like last night’s second half was a game-changer for San Diego. Not in a good way.

swinia sutki on October 16, 2012 at 10:37 AM

I know a monkeytoe, you’re no monkeytoe

Slade73 on October 16, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Where’s Kunta Kinte and his Intrade squirrel?

Who’s on suicide watch for that guy?

connertown on October 16, 2012 at 10:37 AM

If I read the troll comments and my palms get hairy and I go blind; whom do I sue? Hotair?

lorien1973 on October 16, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Not at all. Obama leads in Ohio, and that’s the story of the election so far. If polls would start to show Romney up 2-4 pts there, then we’ll talk about Romney having a chance.

As far as PPP goes, beware of them setting the stage for an Obama “comeback” and surge in momentum following tonight’s debate.

If Romney underperforms tonight, he’ll crash in the swing states.

gumbyandpokey on October 16, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Only thing you’ve said that makes any sense what-so-ever.

bgibbs1000 on October 16, 2012 at 10:38 AM

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