Open thread: The second debate

posted at 8:38 pm on October 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

9 p.m. ET across the dial, don’t miss your chance to watch a man who “really doesn’t like people” try to relate to average voters. According to Team Mitt, all they need tonight is a tie:

“He does not need to take home the same performance” as in the first debate in Denver on Oct. 3, in which Romney was widely considered the dominant debater, the aide, who is involved in the debate preparation, told National Journal on Tuesday. He said that the Romney team is preparing for a fierce attack from Obama on all fronts even though a town-hall format generally requires candidates to address questioners from the audience more than they do each other.

“They can’t afford another debate where they don’t lash out,” said the aide, who would speak only on condition of anonymity about internal debate preparations. “So we’re ready for it: the ‘47 percent’ comment, Bain Capital, the Cayman Islands” tax shelters, all of which have been staples of the Obama ad campaign in recent months…

The Romney team doesn’t expect foreign policy to dominate this debate, but they also hope to raise fresh questions over the Sept. 11 death of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Libya by focusing on what they consider a misstatement by Vice President Joe Biden in his Oct. 11 debate with Rep. Paul Ryan, the aide said.

Benghazi is one obvious line of attack. Another, I hope, is Mitt trying to pin Obama down on what exactly he intends to do with a second term. For all of the Democrats’ cutesy-poo gimmicks about Romney’s evasiveness, the incumbent’s vision for America over the next four years is conspicuously thin, much to the dismay of Democratic pollsters. As for O, he’s got two basic themes, each of them potentially problematic. One: He’ll dismiss Romney’s messaging at the first debate as evidence that he’s a flip-flopper, although that’ll undercut Team Obama’s months-long messaging about what a committed neo-Goldwater ideological fanatic Mitt supposedly is. Two: He’ll go after Romney on Bain and the “47 percent,” although if he’s too nasty about it he’ll risk leaving the sort of jackhole impression that Biden left after the VP debate. Biden could get away with that because he’s Biden, because he was playing to his base, and because ultimately no one really cares what happens at the VP debate. Obama, who’s been banking on a vanishing “likeability gap” with Romney to put him over the top, really can’t. There’s very little left of Hopenchange circa 2008 as it is; if he loses his above-the-fray Bambi image too, then there’s basically nothing.

Having said that, I think there’s virtually nothing O could do onstage tonight short of barfing on someone that’ll get the left to admit afterward that he did poorly. They desperately need him to have a good performance to remain viable, and thus the narrative will make it so tomorrow even if Obama doesn’t make it so tonight. His problem is that, even with that media cushion, it’s unlikely that Romney will falter, which is really what O needs to reverse the momentum here. The only thing I can think of that might potentially get hairy for Romney is if he’s put on the spot by a questioner who’s either extremely confrontational or somehow deeply sympathetic — a “YouTube moment,” in other words. Romney can handle himself against O, but the crux of the Dems’ message against him has always been that he’s some sort of enemy of the working man. If they get a moment like that tonight, of some audience member being accusatory with Romney, that could get traction. All depends upon how he handles it, of course.

Here’s the Hot Air/Townhall Twitter widget for live-tweeting. While we wait, revisit four of Obama’s emptiest campaign promises from the last townhall debate he did in 2008, as there are bound to be a few more tonight. And bear in mind that no matter how well he does, his campaign’s still facing one last jobs report before election day — and all signs point to something not so hope-y change-y. Exit quotation from Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg: “The danger for Obama is that Romney would become the candidate of change.”



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The President put in a strong performance tonight.

But Obama did okay, too.

The Resolute Desk on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

The little hispanic girl that asked about illegal immigration addressed him as President Romney.

slickwillie2001 on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

rogerb,

You rock so hard man, it’s ridiculous. Keep up the stellar work!

Christien on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Benghazi is a dead issue. I suspect Romney won’t bring it up again.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Well, for 4 Americans, yes it is a dead issue.

Romney will bring it back at the next debate.

climbnjump on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Benghazi.

Drip, drip, drip…

claudius on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

The President put in a strong performance tonight.

But Obama did okay, too.

The Resolute Desk on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

You made me do a nasal with hot cocoa!

Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Benghazi is a dead issue. I suspect Romney won’t bring it up again.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Funny!!!

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM

The President put in a strong performance tonight.

But Obama did okay, too.

The Resolute Desk on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Winnah!

Conservative4ev on October 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Let me sum this up for you boys and girls:
The record of accomplishment -vs- the record of rhetoric

America, You decide

hoakie on October 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM

I wonder how many stories there will be about O skipping the last question to be introspective about himself to make a fool of himself with the 47% crap.

I’m surprised Big Bird didn’t make it in there.

SittingDeadRed on October 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Unbelievable. MSNBC fact checkers agree that Romney’s numbers on reduced federal energy production are true, but still say Obama was telling the truth and leave out the whole reduced permit issue, about which Wallace pointed out Romney was also correct.

talkingpoints on October 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Ah, passive/aggressive my favorite, albeit hardly original, pop-psychology diagnosis.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Whatever you say, chump. Go play in traffic.

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Benghazi is a dead issue. I suspect Romney won’t bring it up again.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

I really don’t understand why anybody would want to cover for Obama on this. Are libs really this unprincipled and dishonest? (really, i want an answer.)

ghostwriter on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

That Luntz focus is super old, and white. And foul language?

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Are you sure you’re not just watching footage of Joe Biden?

Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Well on to the next debate on Foreign Policy. I bet Ambassador Stevens will be riveted to that one.

rgrovr on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

How do you figure that when the next debate is on foreign policy? Talk about wishful thinking.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Obama lost his cool a few times and cried to the moderator. He lost the debate. Even with all of the plants and the mod on his side.

tbear44 on October 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Yep, contrary to her intentions she set him up terribly for the next/last debate, all on foreign policy.

The door is wide open for lots of tanks.

Schadenfreude on October 16, 2012 at 11:45 PM

The best part is that it was likely a pre-planned move by Crowley.

Christien on October 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM

rogerb, this might be a keeper. What do you think?

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 11:45 PM

As in about 47% of the population is stupid and will vote for Obama. This shockingly hurts jobs.

Illinidiva on October 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Highlar on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Prayers for your daughter. This was a fun debate.

txhsmom on October 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM

How can you guys be excited about Mitt Romney? I mean, it goes without saying that Obama is a loser but Romney is identical to Obama. Are you guys not up in arms over the GOP offering this tool? This is the reason true conservatives are having to settle for a guy like Romney. It’s worse than pathetic. Would the Founders be excited about Romney? I think not. I’ll definitely be “wasting my vote” and writing someone in. Unbelievable. Now come on, tell me how wrong I am for not supporting Romney and how my vote is really being given to Obama. Good grief.

air_up_there on October 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM

I was watching CNN for the voter reactions on the screen. I was surprised that Gov. Romney’s insistence on following the law on immigration was so well received.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM

dude did you just call me a troll? lol… and Canopfor dear yes i am a sleeper .. no in all seriousness i just missed registration a few times lol and about kicked myself to death for it but i finally managed to get it done

katee bayer on October 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM

I’ve read some of your posts, and I want to tell you that I think you are awesome, and that your husband and kids are lucky to have such a good wife and mother! :)

Anti-Control on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

How can you guys be excited about Mitt Romney? I mean, it goes without saying that Obama is a loser but Romney is identical to Obama. Are you guys not up in arms over the GOP offering this tool? This is the reason true conservatives are having to settle for a guy like Romney. It’s worse than pathetic. Would the Founders be excited about Romney? I think not. I’ll definitely be “wasting my vote” and writing someone in. Unbelievable. Now come on, tell me how wrong I am for not supporting Romney and how my vote is really being given to Obama. Good grief.

air_up_there on October 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Just a reminder. Ron Paul is not on the ballot.

Conservative4ev on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

What percentage of the debate was given to the actual authority given a president by the Constitution?

air_up_there on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Benghazi is a dead issue. I suspect Romney won’t bring it up again.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

except in commercials to replay every speech obie has made about ‘that horrid video’.

Fighton03 on October 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Gingotts on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

*blushes*

Thank you kindly, friend.

Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Really? Do you really think that’s all the President accomplished tonight?

I’d wager that Romney’s own advisors would strongly disagree with you.

But I understand that you’re just playing your passive/agressive game, Cindy. It’s all you’ve got.

Sleep tight.
Bite the bedbugs.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Sockpuppet Boy. Your president lied. No big deal?

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

I was watching CNN for the voter reactions on the screen. I was surprised that Gov. Romney’s insistence on following the law on immigration was so well received.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM

i have found that most people honestly agree that illegal is illegal the majority of those screeching about it are dems or illegals themselves.

katee bayer on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

I’ve been looking for a new job, but most of America are morons.
 
Illinidiva on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

 
rogerb, this might be a keeper. What do you think?
 
Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 11:45 PM

 
(Shaking magic 8 ball)
 
“Cannot predict now.”

rogerb on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

air_up_there on October 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Call the waaambulance.

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Conservative4ev on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Don’t care. I’ll not vote for either of these two. You need to change your name to Conservative-not because you are definitely not a conservative if pull the lever for Romney. You’re a conformist.

air_up_there on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

air_up_there on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

RON PAUL!!!!11111

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:56 PM

What percentage of the debate was given to the actual authority given a president by the Constitution?

air_up_there on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

About as much time as Obie has worried about it.

Fighton03 on October 16, 2012 at 11:56 PM

All the squirming the trolls are doing is telling. And fun!

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Don’t care. I’ll not vote for either of these two. You need to change your name to Conservative-not because you are definitely not a conservative if pull the lever for Romney. You’re a conformist.

air_up_there on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

this identifies you as NOT a conservative but a lib troll in disguise because i am sure as a constitutionalist as you are claiming to be would realize that demogogueing someone for their choice of who to vote for is a LIBERAL tactic.

katee bayer on October 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Romney is going to finish off O on the Benghazi attack in the last debate.

CC just highlighted the lie for Obama and now that will drive some of the media attention going into the last debate on foreign policy.

Now, everyone will get to know what O really said the day after the attack and know that O ( and CC) lied.

KirknBurker on October 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM

 
(Shaking magic 8 ball)
 
“Cannot predict now.”

rogerb on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Lol! ; )

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Sockpuppet Boy. Your president lied. No big deal?

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

The best part is that the life preserver his ‘moderator’ threw him is actually attached to a cinder block.

Fighton03 on October 16, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Conservative4ev on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Don’t care. I’ll not vote for either of these two. You need to change your name to Conservative-not because you are definitely not a conservative if pull the lever for Romney. You’re a conformist.

air_up_there on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

I speak Moby. Allow me to translate.

“I’m voting for Obama.”

The dialect is from a region I’m not completely familiar with, but that’s the gist of his comment.

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM

The President put in a strong performance tonight.
 
But Obama did okay, too.
 
The Resolute Desk on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

 
Well done and a fine one to end on. Y’all have fun.

rogerb on October 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM

I hope your daughter is ok!!

kcd on October 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Best wishes for your daughter.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Thanks much. I appreciate it. She has a mild wrist sprain, and is excited because she thinks her brace is “cool” and “awesome” and can’t wait to show it off at school tomorrow. lol

Highlar on October 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM

The dialect is something like this:

HERP A DERP RON PAUL DERP DERP

wargamer6 on October 17, 2012 at 12:00 AM

no_air_up_there on October 16, 2012

KOOLAID2 on October 17, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Benghazi is a dead issue. I suspect Romney won’t bring it up again.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

…..Haaaaaa!!!!

Tomorrow it will once again be all over the news,talk radio,blogs,and a major part of the next debate…..

Dead issue….what an idiot.

Baxter Greene on October 17, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Ah, passive/aggressive my favorite, albeit hardly original, pop-psychology diagnosis.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

; )

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 12:00 AM

There’s no way the msm or Crowley will backtrack on the Lybia thing. What they are saying was that Obama said the next day that “acts of terrorism” line he said means he used the word terror and that described the event. I don’t understand how this helps us. It would just be a matter of semantics and its too late in the show to ride it.

Robb on October 17, 2012 at 12:01 AM

CNN just said out of their 35
undecided voters, 18 gave it to Romney and 17 for Obama.

sentinelrules on October 17, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Good Night rogerb, Sleep Well.

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Benghazi is a dead issue. I suspect Romney won’t bring it up again.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Well, for 4 Americans, yes it is a dead issue.

Romney will bring it back at the next debate.

climbnjump on October 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM

You have just smacked that clown good!!!!!

jimver on October 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Ok, here’s the full context of “acts of terror,” courtesy of Commentary.

Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

Sooooo, having referred to anniversary of the 911 attacks (emphasis mine, and note the plural), it is clear that the attacks of eleven years ago were the antecedent for “acts of terror”.

And he continues:

Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

“For this terrible act.” Not for “this act of terror”. Now if he had referred to “this act” elsewhere as an act of terror, within a short time span, you could convince me that here, too, he meant “this terrible act” was an act of terror. But he specifically rejected that idea, and went instead with the “spontaneous protest” meme for two weeks. So, sorry. You can’t convince me that by “this terrible act,” he meant to lump it in with the “acts of terror,” above. Not. buying. it.

smellthecoffee on October 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Benghazi is a dead issue.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Exactly.

People Died

SparkPlug on October 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM

PPP Colorado poll

Q5 After watching tonight’s debate, is your opinion of Mitt Romney more positive or less positive than it was before, or is there no difference?
More positive ………………………………………….. 44%
Less positive …………………………………………… 35%
No difference ………………………………………….. 22%

looks good for Romney here

sentinelrules on October 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM

How big was Candy’ Crowley’s FU?

Juan Williams and Kirsten Powers are STILL sticking to the Romney was wrong meme even AFTER hannity tells them Crowley has admitted Romney was right.

When Denial is where you run to when confronted with facts …

… it is time to go in rehab.

PolAgnostic on October 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM

I was watching CNN for the voter reactions on the screen. I was surprised that Gov. Romney’s insistence on following the law on immigration was so well received.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM

i have found that most people honestly agree that illegal is illegal the majority of those screeching about it are dems or illegals themselves.

katee bayer on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

It surprised me as well. On the other hand, Governor Romney’s campaign is on the ball and you can bet his answer on that has been tested in group sessions and in private polls.

The truth is, immigrants that have followed the law and come here legally tend to want others to do the same, and not short-circuit the process.

slickwillie2001 on October 17, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Cheers.

Gingotts on October 17, 2012 at 12:03 AM

The libs will try to claim that Barry won…because he and Candy interrupted more…and because libs are libs.

But the day after tomorrow, when nobody can remember what Barry said, and nobody can come up with a reason why Barry should have another term, they will have to admit that this was another Obama FAILURE.

landlines on October 16, 2012 at 11:15 PM

THIS. I also think Romney benefited in the first debate from low expectations on our part, and Obama benefited from that tonight with his base. The media and the left (but I repeat myself) are giddy with relief that Obama didn’t do as badly as last time (ergo: we won! euphoria). But Obama won’t sway a single vote away from Romney because of tonight.

idalily on October 17, 2012 at 12:03 AM

9/11 happened in Bush’s first term, and his advice to the nation was “go shopping”.

chumpThreads

Liar.

xblade on October 17, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Benghazi is a dead issue. I suspect Romney won’t bring it up again.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

What ever few points Obama scored tonight…just went right down the drain dumba$$…

Mary Katharine Ham @mkhammer

RT @thegoldfarb: RT @FreeBeacon: VIDEO: Candy Crowley: He Was Right http://bit.ly/Wl4jpg

…really…you can’t make this sh!t up.

Baxter Greene on October 17, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Ah, passive/aggressive my favorite, albeit hardly original, pop-psychology diagnosis.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

What about a passive-aggressive diagnosis do you consider to be an aspect of “pop-psychology”? Heck, everyone who knowingly lies for selfish reasons, or is shamelessly hypocritical, is guilty of being passive-aggressive.

People like chumpThreads may misuse it while projecting it, but it certainly does exist as a psychological condition!

Anti-Control on October 17, 2012 at 12:05 AM

All the squirming the trolls are doing is telling. And fun!

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM

You noticed that too…

:)

*clink*

Seven Percent Solution on October 17, 2012 at 12:06 AM

Romney aced it with his ‘how much did you decrease permits and licenses on federal lands and federal lands ??’.
Zero had no answer.. so Mitt, says, ‘well, then, how MUCH did you cut them by… O was cornered into saying this is what we DID do…

Snap poll = 65/34 Romney. via Hannity
Juan Willions gives Romney enough kudos on the economy, but not winner of debate… surprise !

Candy just admitted that Romney was right on Libya.

pambi on October 17, 2012 at 12:06 AM

looser of the night, crowley.

phatfawzi on October 17, 2012 at 12:06 AM

Obama’s rose garden fib is already growing

It is going to be pulled apart and dissected tomorrow, and the various WH fibs will be compared

Here come the microscopes and what they find will be a self spreading file of damning evidence against Obama on Libya

This is going to be Biden/Ryan redux, in that it backfired but the MSM was too giddy to notice

entagor on October 17, 2012 at 12:06 AM

smellthecoffee on October 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM

He lied. The president of the United States lied to his opponet, the audience and the American People tonight.

And our trolls love it.

My God, after being a liberal troll on Hot Air trying to spin this for obama you would literally have to give oral sex to winos behind the bus station to get your self respect back.

hawkdriver on October 17, 2012 at 12:06 AM

The little hispanic girl that asked about illegal immigration addressed him as President Romney.

slickwillie2001 on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

I saw that part! lol… I thought that was hilarious! I wasn’t sure if many others picked up on that, but I thought it was GREAT. Romney asked GREAT questions of Obama, all on substance/policy, that Obama just simply ignored or dodged because he didn’t have any answers. I also noticed in the bits I saw that Crowley seemed to let Obama make more points, and then when Romney would start to rebut, she stepped all over him and said “Let’s move on.” (IE: I particularly noticed this on taxes…Obama gave the $5 trillion lie again, now moved up to $8 trillion…Obama said the math doesn’t add up…Romney came back with “It does add up and let me tell you how.” and just as he got started Crowley jumped in to prevent him from correcting Obama).

Highlar on October 17, 2012 at 12:07 AM

I can’t believe Republican pundits have Benghazi upside down

Obama has dug himself an awful hole by acknowledging that he stated on 9/12 that the Benghazi was an act of terror. Let him explain why he then claimed for the next 2 weeks that it was not an act of terror.

Basilsbest on October 17, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Here’s another link for the “victorious liberals”……

CamEdwards @CamEdwards

RT @BuzzFeedAndrew: CNN’s Candy Crowley: Romney was right on Libya. – http://youtu.be/athcyCTnTTs | Un-bleeping-real.

Winning!!!!!

Baxter Greene on October 17, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Thanks much. I appreciate it. She has a mild wrist sprain, and is excited because she thinks her brace is “cool” and “awesome” and can’t wait to show it off at school tomorrow. lol

Highlar on October 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM

I’m glad! Arent kids resiliant?!

kcd on October 17, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Conservative4ev on October 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Don’t care. I’ll not vote for either of these two. You need to change your name to Conservative-not because you are definitely not a conservative if pull the lever for Romney. You’re a conformist.

air_up_there on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

I speak Moby. Allow me to translate.

“I’m voting for Obama.”

The dialect is from a region I’m not completely familiar with, but that’s the gist of his comment.

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Where on earth do theșe trolls keep coming from. I mean to come on this thread to just declare that you’re not voting for either candidate, what an utter idiocy. Why bother then communicate it, and who the heck cares anyways. Disgusting attention seeking mobys..

jimver on October 17, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Don’t care. I’ll not vote for either of these two. You need to change your name to Conservative-not because you are definitely not a conservative if pull the lever for Romney. You’re a conformist.

air_up_there

And you need to change your name to dumb azz because…..well, isn’t it obvious, lol?

xblade on October 17, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Benghazi is a dead issue.

Certainly, sadly there are 4 dead, incl. an USA ambassador.

I suspect Romney won’t bring it up again.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Get your head out of our azz. The next debate will be all on foreign policy. This will be talked abuot a lot. Get ready.

Schadenfreude on October 17, 2012 at 12:09 AM

The Final Debate will be Foreign Policy, Time Again for Libya, F & F, etc… Sweet!

WhoU4 on October 17, 2012 at 12:09 AM

My God, after being a liberal troll on Hot Air trying to spin this for obama you would literally have to give oral sex to winos behind the bus station to get your self respect back.

hawkdriver on October 17, 2012 at 12:06 AM

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

kcd on October 17, 2012 at 12:09 AM

Anti-Control on October 17, 2012 at 12:05 AM

My point is that it is the go to term by amateurs on the internet. I’m not denying the existence but the expertise. You should consider my remark retaliatory snark to chump threads.

Cindy Munford on October 17, 2012 at 12:10 AM

WHOO, BOY !
Hubby says I’m slurring, already !! eeek.
Need to say g’nite.

My take ?
R +1
O -1

pambi on October 17, 2012 at 12:10 AM

People saying Obama won tonight because it was better than the last debate is like being proud of being the tallest midget. Pyrrhic victory.

rgrovr on October 17, 2012 at 12:10 AM

Disgusting attention seeking mobys..

jimver on October 17, 2012 at 12:08 AM

And they talk a lot. But their rationalization smells like desperation to me.

obama didn’t win this by a long shot.

hawkdriver on October 17, 2012 at 12:12 AM

My God, after being a liberal troll on Hot Air trying to spin this for obama you would literally have to give oral sex to winos behind the bus station to get your self respect back.

hawkdriver on October 17, 2012 at 12:06 AM

Yup! I don’t know how they do it. But uhm, next time, don’t hold back Hawkdriver–tell us how you really feel ;-)

smellthecoffee on October 17, 2012 at 12:12 AM

PPP Colorado poll

Q5 After watching tonight’s debate, is your opinion of Mitt Romney more positive or less positive than it was before, or is there no difference?
More positive ………………………………………….. 44%
Less positive …………………………………………… 35%
No difference ………………………………………….. 22%

looks good for Romney here

sentinelrules on October 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Would you happen to have any corresponding #s from that poll for 0-bow-mao?

Anti-Control on October 17, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Highlar on October 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Excellent! If you must go to the emergency room, you had the very best outcome.

Cindy Munford on October 17, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Seven Percent Solution on October 17, 2012 at 12:06 AM

*clink!* It’s nice having fun at their expence. ; )

Bmore on October 17, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Humpbot…. in 4, 5, 6th of Nov!!

kcd on October 17, 2012 at 12:13 AM

I can’t believe Republican pundits have Benghazi upside down

Obama has dug himself an awful hole by acknowledging that he stated on 9/12 that the Benghazi was an act of terror. Let him explain why he then claimed for the next 2 weeks that it was not an act of terror.

Basilsbest on October 17, 2012 at 12:07 AM

So what’s this whole thing with romney not doing so well on Benghazi. I didn’t see the debate but I lurked here and from the comments it looked like he was scoring good points (well maybe with the exception orf one or two who said that he stammered a little) . I can’t see how he could have gotten Benghazi wrong.

jimver on October 17, 2012 at 12:13 AM

THIS. I also think Romney benefited in the first debate from low expectations on our part, and Obama benefited from that tonight with his base. The media and the left (but I repeat myself) are giddy with relief that Obama didn’t do as badly as last time (ergo: we won! euphoria). But Obama won’t sway a single vote away from Romney because of tonight.

idalily on October 17, 2012 at 12:03 AM

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This debate was a win for Romney:

The CBS News snap poll with Romney winning on the economy 65% – 34% shows where voters are paying attention.

The Luntz focus group was centered on Romney’s “We don’t have to settle for this” talking point.

Romney’s points were better targeted to what voters wanted to hear.

Much better targeted than Obama’s attack, lie and deflect.

This just in:

Guy Benson@guypbenson

Big. MT@kesgardner: CNN: did Obama offer clear plan for solving the nation’s problems? 38% said yes. But 61% said no. Who won this debate?

PolAgnostic on October 17, 2012 at 12:13 AM

You don’t understand that the great entrepreneurs don’t want to see a right wing experiment of broad tax cuts turning a serious deficit problem into a runaway disaster.

bayam on October 16, 2012 at 11:11 PM

You’re as full of crap as a Christmas goose.

Solaratov on October 17, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Not jobless..Have a job at the world’s worst company which I took out of desperation because of Barry. Seriously, they have three positions in my department for jobs in the high 50K+ that they cannot fill because they are that bad a company. As in people don’t want to work there despite the fact that there is huge unemployment in IL. I’ve been looking for a new job, but most of America are morons.

Illinidiva on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

If you vote for Obama so that you can “experience a landslide” and he wins reelection, I hope that you lose your job at the world’s worst company. You will have earned it for foisting him on the rest of us.

Resist We Much on October 17, 2012 at 12:14 AM

When Obama spoke about immigration, he threw law enforcement officials under the bus, that he didn’t trust that they would use their position judicially. He says that they would just pull over anyone. Isn’t he supposed to be on the side of the law?

monster_man on October 17, 2012 at 12:14 AM

katee bayer on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 PM

It doesn’t help that we are constantly told that we need to reach out to Hispanics. Maybe these “experts” are just suggesting that the candidates have specifics numbers for minorities have can be improved on.

Cindy Munford on October 17, 2012 at 12:15 AM

I think the next couple of days will tell whether Obama is finished or not. If he still behind 2 to 4 points then he’s finished. However if he ties or nudges ahead then we’re going to have a barnburner of a race. Remember Obama was decisively ahead before the first debate fiasco. Now that he slightly won the second well see how many blue leaning independents come home.

Ric on October 17, 2012 at 12:16 AM

My point is that it is the go to term by amateurs on the internet. I’m not denying the existence but the expertise. You should consider my remark retaliatory snark to chump threads.

Cindy Munford on October 17, 2012 at 12:10 AM

Thanks for the clarification!

The way I see the “amateurs” you are referring to is that they are doing nothing more than providing evidence of their own passive-aggression when they make the accusation out of frustration and haste, as chumpThreads did with you.

Anti-Control on October 17, 2012 at 12:17 AM

My God, after being a liberal troll on Hot Air trying to spin this for obama you would literally have to give oral sex to winos behind the bus station to get your self respect back.

hawkdriver on October 17, 2012 at 12:06 AM

…no…they would have to do each and every one of us at Hot Air…and still have no self respect.

KOOLAID2 on October 17, 2012 at 12:17 AM

1-1 I say get ready for fireworks during the 3rd debate.

Politricks on October 17, 2012 at 12:17 AM

I think the next couple of days will tell whether Obama is finished or not. If he still behind 2 to 4 points then he’s finished. However if he ties or nudges ahead then we’re going to have a barnburner of a race. Remember Obama was decisively ahead before the first debate fiasco. Now that he slightly won the second well see how many blue leaning independents come home.

Ric on October 17, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Nah I agree with Limbaugh, the debate had nothing to do with it, the polling companies want to be accurate in the end, therefore they can’t fudge numbers as much and have to show the real numbers

Conservative4ev on October 17, 2012 at 12:18 AM

My God, after being a liberal troll on Hot Air trying to spin this for obama you would literally have to give oral sex to winos behind the bus station to get your self respect back.

hawkdriver on October 17, 2012 at 12:06 AM


I MUST ask for your answer to this question …

What would Candy Crowley have to doto achieve the same?

;->

PolAgnostic on October 17, 2012 at 12:18 AM

I want an explanation how Crowley was so damn sure what Obama said in the Rose Garden if she wasn’t tipped off what explanation the President was going to give ahead of time. FACE FACTS FOLKS CROWLEY WAS TOLD WHAT OBAMA WAS GOING TO SAY IF ASKED ABOUT LIBYA!! She therefore was able to check the Rose Garden speech and declare instantly that he said it. There is no other explanation for her cocksure answer in instant! Or does she have all his speeches memorized in the last month? Please. She did it without hesitation. Check the tape. I just did.

Conan on October 17, 2012 at 12:19 AM

You don’t understand that the great entrepreneurs don’t want to see a right wing experiment of broad tax cuts turning a serious deficit problem into a runaway disaster.

bayam on October 16, 2012 at 11:11 PM

your so full of tripe. i am a small business owner and i can tell you the Toddler in Chief is horrid at economic policy his ideas dont work they never have and never will. the ideas Mitt eschewed however are very similar to reaganomics which libtards claimed back then would never work just like they claim now. History however has PROVEN Reaganomics DID and DO work

katee bayer on October 17, 2012 at 12:19 AM

When Obama spoke about immigration, he threw law enforcement officials under the bus, that he didn’t trust that they would use their position judicially. He says that they would just pull over anyone. Isn’t he supposed to be on the side of the law?

monster_man on October 17, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Agreed. And I’m sure he didnt score any points with our border patrol agents either.

kcd on October 17, 2012 at 12:19 AM

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