Open thread: The second debate

posted at 8:38 pm on October 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

9 p.m. ET across the dial, don’t miss your chance to watch a man who “really doesn’t like people” try to relate to average voters. According to Team Mitt, all they need tonight is a tie:

“He does not need to take home the same performance” as in the first debate in Denver on Oct. 3, in which Romney was widely considered the dominant debater, the aide, who is involved in the debate preparation, told National Journal on Tuesday. He said that the Romney team is preparing for a fierce attack from Obama on all fronts even though a town-hall format generally requires candidates to address questioners from the audience more than they do each other.

“They can’t afford another debate where they don’t lash out,” said the aide, who would speak only on condition of anonymity about internal debate preparations. “So we’re ready for it: the ‘47 percent’ comment, Bain Capital, the Cayman Islands” tax shelters, all of which have been staples of the Obama ad campaign in recent months…

The Romney team doesn’t expect foreign policy to dominate this debate, but they also hope to raise fresh questions over the Sept. 11 death of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Libya by focusing on what they consider a misstatement by Vice President Joe Biden in his Oct. 11 debate with Rep. Paul Ryan, the aide said.

Benghazi is one obvious line of attack. Another, I hope, is Mitt trying to pin Obama down on what exactly he intends to do with a second term. For all of the Democrats’ cutesy-poo gimmicks about Romney’s evasiveness, the incumbent’s vision for America over the next four years is conspicuously thin, much to the dismay of Democratic pollsters. As for O, he’s got two basic themes, each of them potentially problematic. One: He’ll dismiss Romney’s messaging at the first debate as evidence that he’s a flip-flopper, although that’ll undercut Team Obama’s months-long messaging about what a committed neo-Goldwater ideological fanatic Mitt supposedly is. Two: He’ll go after Romney on Bain and the “47 percent,” although if he’s too nasty about it he’ll risk leaving the sort of jackhole impression that Biden left after the VP debate. Biden could get away with that because he’s Biden, because he was playing to his base, and because ultimately no one really cares what happens at the VP debate. Obama, who’s been banking on a vanishing “likeability gap” with Romney to put him over the top, really can’t. There’s very little left of Hopenchange circa 2008 as it is; if he loses his above-the-fray Bambi image too, then there’s basically nothing.

Having said that, I think there’s virtually nothing O could do onstage tonight short of barfing on someone that’ll get the left to admit afterward that he did poorly. They desperately need him to have a good performance to remain viable, and thus the narrative will make it so tomorrow even if Obama doesn’t make it so tonight. His problem is that, even with that media cushion, it’s unlikely that Romney will falter, which is really what O needs to reverse the momentum here. The only thing I can think of that might potentially get hairy for Romney is if he’s put on the spot by a questioner who’s either extremely confrontational or somehow deeply sympathetic — a “YouTube moment,” in other words. Romney can handle himself against O, but the crux of the Dems’ message against him has always been that he’s some sort of enemy of the working man. If they get a moment like that tonight, of some audience member being accusatory with Romney, that could get traction. All depends upon how he handles it, of course.

Here’s the Hot Air/Townhall Twitter widget for live-tweeting. While we wait, revisit four of Obama’s emptiest campaign promises from the last townhall debate he did in 2008, as there are bound to be a few more tonight. And bear in mind that no matter how well he does, his campaign’s still facing one last jobs report before election day — and all signs point to something not so hope-y change-y. Exit quotation from Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg: “The danger for Obama is that Romney would become the candidate of change.”



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My mother who voted for Obama says she was “disgusted” by his answer on Libya, that he was “fake”. I think that more independents will bail after this debate too. The MSM won’t be able to understand as they spin it.

Ragnar Danneskold on October 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Every sane person s/b disgusted at his answer and the continued lies. Crowley should spontaneously combust for dereliction of duty.

Schadenfreude on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Oh my goodness – Candy Crowley did not do Obama any favors with this Libya thing.

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

I said this earlier candy screwed up

Conservative4ev on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

really tired of being on the losing side. Seriously, the Ds always seem to win the elections I’m around for. I’ve never gotten to experience a landslide. :( I was two in 1984 and my fav. election was 2004 which really upset me with the bad exit polls.

Illinidiva on October 16, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Stay jobless, hopeless, and broke from “necessarily skyrocketed” energy prices, my friend.

Hope you continue to “enjoy the experience.”

Resist We Much on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

If, after a debate like this, you have to take solace by celebrating a Frank Luntz “focus group”, your guy lost. You just can’t admit it.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Your president lied.

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Oh my goodness – Candy Crowley did not do Obama any favors with this Libya thing.

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

She pushed him off a cliff.

VorDaj on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Spinning, spinning, little troll,
trying hard to dance and crow.
How’d your hero fall so low?
Lying, whining, reeking so.

thatsafactjack on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Nice… I like that:)

kcd on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

The sad thing is that to many Americans the facts simply do not matter. My generation is comatose. #millennials suck

Elchasebo on October 16, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Looks like we have a new President.

TallDave on October 16, 2012 at 11:31 PM

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Hang onto that come Nov. 7th. Maybe it will ease the pain some.

NotCoach on October 16, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Your president lied.

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

On Multiple Occasions.

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

I will be glued to MSNBC on election night to watch the utter democrat destruction and liberal melt-down. There better be Seppuku on live TV. I mean straight up emo, Jimmy Swaggart type tears, losing bowel movement type commiseration.

It. Will. Be. EPIC

rgrovr on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Must admit, I’m somewhat non-plussed about the Luntz focus group, since he really goes out of his way to pick a more anti-R “undecided” group.

That they were moved to Romney after this debate, assuming they weren’t so moved after the first debate — they were apparently pre-screened for that by Luntz — is some meaningful sh!t.

At best, it confirms my gut feeling about an R landslide, thus bringing more Senators in on the coat tails as well, at worst but a win for the WH.

TXUS on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

If, after a debate like this, you have to take solace by celebrating a Frank Luntz “focus group”

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Yeah, it always a conspiracy with your ilk.
-skewed polls
-biased media…

Pathetic.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 10:38 PM

thirtyandseven on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Oh my goodness – Candy Crowley did not do Obama any favors with this Libya thing.

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

She pushed him out of the way of a bullet, but in so doing she pushed him off a 1,000 foot cliff.

VorDaj on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

The best line of the night was, ” We don’t have to live like this!” I want that bumper sticker!

Elyse on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Why is Crowley on CNN now saying who she felt won the debate?

No bias

Worst moderator ever

Where can one leave comments at cnn without registering?

audiotom on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

MSNBC is going big that Clowley inserted herself into the argument that Obama called the Benghazi attack and act of terrorism the day after the attack. He didn’t, he merely used the word terrorism in general in his statement. Obama went in front of the UN a week later and characterized the attack as response to a film, not a terrorist attack. MSNBC is a propaganda machine.
Over30 on October 16, 2012 at 10:47 PM

I think Obama did call the Benghazi attack as an act of terror on 9/12. He then realized the implication of that statement and then for the next two weeks he claimed it was a demonstration that got out of hand. There is no need to gainsay that he claimed it was an act of terror on 9/12. In fact that makes his lying worse.

Basilsbest on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

chumpThreads, I will see your Luntz “undecided” focus group and raise you the CNN “undecided” focus group in the debate.

An Objectivist on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

I wish Romney had hit BO harder on Benghazi but it was still hard-hitting I hope next time he blasts Obama for skipping half of his intel meetings.

I think Romney was great tonight. He pounded Obama’s record. Obama was constantly on the defense. All BO could do was attack he could not defend his failed record.

bailey24 on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

That Luntz focus is super old, and white. And foul language?

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Pathetic lefitst bigot sez WHUT?!?

Benedict Nelson on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

He lied tonight…why he didn’t answer Romney’s question and said “go on”. He knew – it was the world’s court room and he was guilty.

This opened up a huuuuuuge gate.

Plus, the next debate is 100% foreign policy. It couldn’t come at a better time.

Plus, on the economy, Cali omitted 33,000 unemployed in the last report. The one right ahead of the election is going to be rough.

Schadenfreude on October 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Yep. It will dominate this week’s media cycle, and Scheiffer is guaranteed to lead off with it next week.

If Team Obama is celebrating this, then that’s especially good news, because they clearly don’t understand that they’re waist deep in it and five more dump trucks full are coming.

Gingotts on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Crowley jumped the shark with Obama. I will be surprised if she is not part of the ads that come out. If I was the GOP I surely would include her sound bite with Obama’s silly answer.

pat on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

The only class Bary has
Is pitting 1 against another.
That was is over-riding theme of
a MARXIST.
count

OkieDoc on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Your guy got crushed on the economy in the CBS poll. Suck on that.

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

And how many people lost their jobs over 9/11?

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Richard Clarke for one…
….that’s why he became the democrats poster boy that got caught over and over and over lying about the Bush administration.

Baxter Greene on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Notice how Bam saved the 47% comment until there was no time for rebuttal. Slick Willie strikes again.

Elchasebo on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

The other networks will never correct the record on “terror” so a 3rd party group + RNC is going to have to step into the fray.

matthew8787 on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Nope, next debate is foreign policy. One more nail for Romney to hammer into O’s electoral coffin.

SittingDeadRed on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

If, after a debate like this, you have to take solace by celebrating a Frank Luntz “focus group”, your guy lost. You just can’t admit it.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM


Thread WINNER! in the EXTRA STUPID category!!!!

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

If, after a debate like this, you have to take solace by celebrating a Frank Luntz “focus group”, your guy lost. You just can’t admit it.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

All Mitt needed was a tie. I think he got that at a minimum. The next few days will bear out what the impact of the second debate was.

I do not think Mr. Obama did as well as he should have. He needed a knockout punch. It never materialized.

Turtle317 on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

how many people lost their jobs over 9/11?

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Simple Question for a Simple Mind: Exactly how would you, had you been in a position of authority to do so, have prevented the 9/11 attacks in a manner that you would find ethically and morally acceptable as a Good Democrat Appartchik?

Would you have arrested without probable cause 19 Middle Eastern dudes who were apparently in the US legally, and charge them with something you had no proof would ever happen?

Or would you illegally wiretap their phone calls, or even racially profile them as they boarded their planes?

F-

PS, O’bamna won 70% of the High School Dropout Vote in 2008. You must be so proud of that.

Del Dolemonte on October 16, 2012 at 11:33 PM

I think Obama did call the Benghazi attack as an act of terror on 9/12. He then realized the implication of that statement and then for the next two weeks he claimed it was a demonstration that got out of hand. There is no need to gainsay that he claimed it was an act of terror on 9/12. In fact that makes his lying worse.

Basilsbest on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Geraghty has the info on the Rose Garden thing. “Terror” comes up only once and it’s only by vague implication that it refers to Benghazi.

Gingotts on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

This election is over people want jobs, Colorado poll is probably going to be right

Conservative4ev on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Let me break out my tiny violin for you. Honestly if you are this whimpy about voting – you don’t deserve the right to vote.

People like you make me angry.

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Yep.. tots enjoy voting for a losing cause again and again… Which I’m sorry, our two major wins in the last twenty years have been the Supreme Court stopping the vote and a two point victory in 2004. All I ask for is Chris Christie or Hot VP winning in a blowout so I can laugh at the meltdowns on my liberal neighbors.. Kay.

Illinidiva on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

thirtyandseven on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

stop….it makes its head hurt.

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Your president lied.

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

president in title only – a leader takes responsibility for the actions of his regime.

‘president’ Downgrade would have resigned by now if he were a true leader.

Chip on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Jennifer Rubin @JRubinBlogger

The right thing to do would be for @crowleyCNN to say she got the terrorism thing wrong.. She’s a stand up gal I have confidence she will

Then she should have kept quiet.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

really tired of being on the losing side. Seriously, the Ds always seem to win the elections I’m around for. I’ve never gotten to experience a landslide. :( I was two in 1984 and my fav. election was 2004 which really upset me with the bad exit polls.

Illinidiva on October 16, 2012 at 11:16 PM

O.K., you’re an idiot and a crybaby.

JPeterman on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

re the Prez in the Rose Garden speaking on Libya-

It didn’t help matters for Romney that he lied about what Obama said and was fact-checked on the spot.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Problem is, Obama misrepresented the Rose Garden speech, Candy continued the misrepresentation, but the speech is available. And all the statements made by the administration to the press for days afterwards.

What the Left thinks is a big win for Obama, is a big backfire. It will be replayed, and the obama misrepresentation will become bigger, instead of fading into history.

In other words, Obama has just made a classic political mistake. His fib on stage will get bigger not smaller, and to prove/disprove the fib, the other details of his shakey story will be spread over the MSM

Funny, pols are criticizing Romney for missing the kill at that moment, when he will gain more from being suckered by Candy

There is divine justice

They are now showing later Obama clips denying it was a terror attack. Obama jumping on Romney for misrepresenting the Rose Garden becomes Obama making a liar of himself to a gigantic audience. Fool. Or should I say, self destructive fool.

His followers will spread the clip to try to smear Romney and will open the can of worms against their own guy

Meanwhile, I liked Romney telling folk we can do better.

And I liked Obama saying some jobs will never come back to the US

entagor on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Masterfully Working The Ref!

You all know that a true, closed minded ideologue only hears weak or incorrect remarks from the other side.

I was at home frequently wanting to correct both of those suits. But I knew Candy was having her stinking, ugly lefty soul aching. I talk to liberals enough to know.

You people did not notice? Candy was in pain for the whole evening. She so wanted to rip Mitt a new one. She blurted that remark out.

And I wonder if she hadn’t been fed that conclusion and a few others by the O’s campaign directly or by using someone close to her. Don’t put it too far past an administration which invents demonstrations and such.

O all but won right there but a good event otherwise.

IlikedAUH2O on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Do you think W would have been reelected if Katrina had been in his first term?
Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Are you kidding?
9/11 happened in Bush’s first term, and his advice to the nation was “go shopping”.

And somehow he managed to win another term.

Romney blew his chance to capitalize on Benghazi when he got called out for lying about what Obama said.

Benghazi is a dead issue. I suspect Romney won’t bring it up again.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

BOOM!

Justin Hart ‏@justin_hart

Candy Crowley now admitting Romney was right on Pres. Obama’s Libya remarks.

RedNewEnglander on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Where can one leave comments at cnn without registering?

audiotom on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

1. Pinch them off in a brown paper bag

2. Place on CNN’s doorstep

3. Light on fire

4. Ring CNN door bell

Hide in bushes next to Bishop and laaaauuuggggh!

Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

So where are all of these other Snap Polls showing O’bamna “won”?

Del Dolemonte on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

The Dems are still high fiving Biden. (Kirsten Powers giggle. I think she is voting for Romney now. )Sometimes it takes a day to realize political disaster.

pat on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Conservative4ev on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

What poll?

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

If, after a debate like this, you have to take solace by celebrating a Frank Luntz “focus group”, your guy lost. You just can’t admit it.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

So future reference, the Luntz focus groups of in-depth interviews with undecided Americans mean jack, but slim pluralities in CBS polls are infinitely important (if you um ignore the 65-35 split against Obama on the economy)

Gingotts on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Hey!! Drink a beer for me….How was the food?

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

It was @ a pizza buffet. Nothing to write home about. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Yeah, but look how tickled you are that your guy managed to stay awake and string a few more words between his “ahs”.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Mary Katharine Ham@mkhammer

RT @blakehounshell: Candy Crowley just now on Romney’s Libya flub: “He was right in the main, but he just chose the wrong word.”

******************************

Jennifer Rubin@JRubinBlogger

The right thing to do would be for @crowleyCNN to say she got the terrorism thing wrong.. She’s a stand up gal I have confidence she will

******************************

And the story of the debate?

Debate moderator tries to explain her debate gaffe!

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Did bush blame it on a movie for nearly a month?

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

CNN’s poll:

Obama 46%
Romney 39%

Midwestprincesse on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Crowley=worst moderator yet?

Elchasebo on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

If, after a debate like this, you have to take solace by celebrating a Frank Luntz “focus group”, your guy lost. You just can’t admit it.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

No one, other than the American people lost tonight. Get your head out of your azz.

Schadenfreude on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Hide in bushes next to Bishop and laaaauuuggggh!

Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

you’d think they’d be on to that by now.

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Hide in bushes next to Bishop and laaaauuuggggh!

Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Stay out da bushes!

Lanceman on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Where can one leave comments at cnn without registering?

audiotom on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

1. Pinch them off in a brown paper bag

2. Place on CNN’s doorstep

3. Light on fire

4. Ring CNN door bell

Hide in bushes next to Bishop and laaaauuuggggh!

Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, man. Okay, I think this thread is big enough for two winners.

Gingotts on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Okay, just got in. Had to take my daughter to the hospital. So I only caught the debate in bits and pieces. From what I saw, Romney won…and Obama lied and spewed his own campaign talking points. Am I right in that? Also…I LOVED the “Have you seen your pension?” jab. :D Obama didn’t know how to respond to that. lol

Highlar on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

9/11 happened in Bush’s first term

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

bin Laden himself said the attacks were planned to happen before Bush became President. Remember, he mentioned Bill Clinton by name in his Fatwa in 1996.

You must be so proud of that as well.

Del Dolemonte on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Your guy got crushed on the economy in the CBS poll. Suck on that.

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

CBS poll??!!! Hahahaha! Prolly a +90 D!

kcd on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

What a great night! Detroit wins and Obama loses! Woo-frackin-hoo!

pos4thst on October 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Old/busted:
 

In saying that you do not merely insult me, but also my friends, loved ones, family members and a whole lot of other black people who you simply know nothing about… It, quite literally, damages my spirit.
 
libfreeordie on October 14, 2012 at 12:02 AM

 

…their usual f%ckery.
 
libfreeordie on June 22, 2012 at 10:24 AM

 
New hotness:
 

That Luntz focus is super old, and white. And foul language?
 
libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 11:13 PM

rogerb on October 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

RedNewEnglander on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

The bottom line for Obama is that you don’t want to have Benghazi a topic of discussion during the last three weeks of the campaign.

Instead you want to discuss …

… geez if you’re Obama want DO you want to discuss?

BIG BIRD!!

PackerBronco on October 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

That Luntz focus is super old, and white. And foul language?

libfreeordie on October 16, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Racist. And foul language? So what?

Night Owl on October 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

CBS instant polling scored it 2 to 1 for Romney?? Wow. Again, I considered it a draw (maybe because I thought Romney left so much on the table), but if people see Romney as the clear winner that’s OK with me. This election is over.

NotCoach on October 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

BOOM!

Justin Hart ‏@justin_hart

Candy Crowley now admitting Romney was right on Pres. Obama’s Libya remarks.

RedNewEnglander on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Do you have a link?

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

he mentioned Bill Clinton by name in his Fatwa in 1996.

Del Dolemonte on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

From what I understand, there was a fatwa moderating tonight.

Lanceman on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

CNN’s poll:

Obama 46%
Romney 39%

Midwestprincesse on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Not good for O.

Del Dolemonte on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

However, I feel like sticking up for Candy Crowley. The comments about her weight on here are ugly. You all are better than this. As a moderator, I think she did okay.

bitsy on October 16, 2012 at 11:24 PM

I thought she or the debate failed in one important respect. She did not force the candidates to deal with the questions being asked and I think that might have been been one of the format conditions agreed to by both sides before the debate.

The forum is useless if they get a specific question and then resort to caned campaign talking points.

She certainly did not lie about speech. Romney flubbed a great opportunity to hit the Administration about misleading the public about whether the attack was planned or spontaneous and Romney instead overreached with the terror accusation. He can fix that in less than a week.

lexhamfox on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Pres. Bush handled 9/11/01 very well, Pres. Obama has lied and stonewalled on Benghazi. And he didn’t even have to. Or maybe it might be better to ask why he felt he had to. Ultimately the economy will drive the votes but Obama’s character and competence has been dinged.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

The President put in a strong performance tonight.

But Obama did okay, too.

The Resolute Desk on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

If, after a debate like this, you have to take solace by celebrating a Frank Luntz “focus group”, your guy lost. You just can’t admit it.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

CNN’s poll:

Obama 46%
Romney 39%

Midwestprincesse on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Neither can the Communist News Network’s viewers, apparently

Benedict Nelson on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

It didn’t help matters for Romney that he lied about what Obama said and was fact-checked on the spot.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Liar, liar, liar.

Crowley admitting her mistake “Romney was right”.

Schadenfreude on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

rogerb on October 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Hilarious.

(our own little bammie)

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

You are a funny fluffer. ; ) sell me your nic.

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Do you have a link?

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

.
Mary Katharine Ham@mkhammer
RT @blakehounshell: Candy Crowley just now on Romney’s Libya flub: “He was right in the main, but he just chose the wrong word.”

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

CNN’s poll:

Obama 46%
Romney 39%

Midwestprincesse on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Not enough for any change, Romney did what he had to do, he destroyed Obama on Econ 101

Conservative4ev on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Will someone explain to me when o cut taxes on small businesses 18 times! Where did he get that number?

texgal on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

LMAO i got this link from a pro obama site it goes to a poll that has romney winning the debate by over 60 % http://voice4america.com/paulbrown/2012/10/16/vote-on-who-won-the-debate.html#axzz29WYZ7kVl

katee bayer on October 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Will someone explain to me when o cut taxes on small businesses 18 times! Where did he get that number?

texgal on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Candy whispered it him.

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Stay jobless, hopeless, and broke from “necessarily skyrocketed” energy prices, my friend.

Hope you continue to “enjoy the experience.”

Resist We Much on October 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Not jobless..Have a job at the world’s worst company which I took out of desperation because of Barry. Seriously, they have three positions in my department for jobs in the high 50K+ that they cannot fill because they are that bad a company. As in people don’t want to work there despite the fact that there is huge unemployment in IL. I’ve been looking for a new job, but most of America are morons.

Illinidiva on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Romney blew his chance to capitalize on Benghazi when he got called out for lying about what Obama said.
 
Benghazi is a dead issue. I suspect Romney won’t bring it up again.
 
chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

 

Candy Crowley now admitting Romney was right on Pres. Obama’s Libya remarks.
 
RedNewEnglander on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

 
Good timing to you both. Well done.

rogerb on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Poor, poor Candy, nice career while it lasted. Remind me again. Who is/was she?

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

BOOM!

Justin Hart ‏@justin_hart

Candy Crowley now admitting Romney was right on Pres. Obama’s Libya remarks.

RedNewEnglander on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Not that I disbelieve you – but do you have a link to that?

Chip on October 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Okay, just got in. Had to take my daughter to the hospital. So I only caught the debate in bits and pieces. From what I saw, Romney won…and Obama lied and spewed his own campaign talking points. Am I right in that? Also…I LOVED the “Have you seen your pension?” jab. :D Obama didn’t know how to respond to that. lol
Highlar on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

I hope your daughter is ok!!

kcd on October 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Crowley dove in to cover Obama. Crushed him flat.

Christien on October 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Will someone explain to me when o cut taxes on small businesses 18 times! Where did he get that number?

texgal on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Ogabe pulled it out of his azz, same as his $5 trillion tax cut nonsense.

Benedict Nelson on October 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Crowley dove in to cover Obama. Crushed him flat.

Christien on October 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Lol! :D

Benedict Nelson on October 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Candy Crowley now admitting Romney was right on Pres. Obama’s Libya remarks.

RedNewEnglander on October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Did she really?

Brat on October 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Hope and Change
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Hope you have a moderator who helps by changing the subject
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scruplesrx on October 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

How Liz Goodman, the Obama harlot, handles the news.

Schadenfreude on October 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Highlar on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

hope she is ok !

katee bayer on October 16, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Mary Katharine Ham@mkhammer

RT @thegoldfarb: RT @FreeBeacon: VIDEO: Candy Crowley: He Was Right http://bit.ly/Wl4jpg

Link to Candy Crowley admitting Romney was right.

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Romney was again strong, presidential and showed those waiting to jump ship from Obama that he is a life jacket for them to grab onto with there vote. Romney won the night. You will continue to see the numbers go his way until election day when he wins by at least 5 points 52-47. Order to be restored!

Rockshine on October 16, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Highlar on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Best wishes for your daughter.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:45 PM

I’ve been looking for a new job, but most of America are morons.

Illinidiva on October 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

rogerb, this might be a keeper. What do you think?

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Crowley dove in to cover Obama. Crushed him flat.

Christien on October 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Yep, contrary to her intentions she set him up terribly for the next/last debate, all on foreign policy.

The door is wide open for lots of tanks.

Schadenfreude on October 16, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Will someone explain to me when o cut taxes on small businesses 18 times! Where did he get that number?

texgal on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

That one kills me too. I have heard him say it before but have never seen a fact check on it

Brat on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Are you kidding, she’ll either get a Pulitzer on some kind of Nobel Prize for Literature or something.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Yeah, but look how tickled you are that your guy managed to stay awake and string a few more words between his “ahs”.

Cindy Munford on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Really? Do you really think that’s all the President accomplished tonight?

I’d wager that Romney’s own advisors would strongly disagree with you.

But I understand that you’re just playing your passive/agressive game, Cindy. It’s all you’ve got.

Sleep tight.
Bite the bedbugs.

chumpThreads on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

I think Obama did call the Benghazi attack as an act of terror on 9/12. He then realized the implication of that statement and then for the next two weeks he claimed it was a demonstration that got out of hand. There is no need to gainsay that he claimed it was an act of terror on 9/12. In fact that makes his lying worse.

Basilsbest on October 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Geraghty has the info on the Rose Garden thing. “Terror” comes up only once and it’s only by vague implication that it refers to Benghazi.

Gingotts on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Geraghty is making the more difficult argument. Let’s admit that Obama did acknowledge on 9/12 that it was an act of terror – because he knew it was. The question then is why did he lie about it being an act of terror for the next 2 weeks.

Basilsbest on October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM

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