Open thread: The second debate

posted at 8:38 pm on October 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

9 p.m. ET across the dial, don’t miss your chance to watch a man who “really doesn’t like people” try to relate to average voters. According to Team Mitt, all they need tonight is a tie:

“He does not need to take home the same performance” as in the first debate in Denver on Oct. 3, in which Romney was widely considered the dominant debater, the aide, who is involved in the debate preparation, told National Journal on Tuesday. He said that the Romney team is preparing for a fierce attack from Obama on all fronts even though a town-hall format generally requires candidates to address questioners from the audience more than they do each other.

“They can’t afford another debate where they don’t lash out,” said the aide, who would speak only on condition of anonymity about internal debate preparations. “So we’re ready for it: the ‘47 percent’ comment, Bain Capital, the Cayman Islands” tax shelters, all of which have been staples of the Obama ad campaign in recent months…

The Romney team doesn’t expect foreign policy to dominate this debate, but they also hope to raise fresh questions over the Sept. 11 death of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Libya by focusing on what they consider a misstatement by Vice President Joe Biden in his Oct. 11 debate with Rep. Paul Ryan, the aide said.

Benghazi is one obvious line of attack. Another, I hope, is Mitt trying to pin Obama down on what exactly he intends to do with a second term. For all of the Democrats’ cutesy-poo gimmicks about Romney’s evasiveness, the incumbent’s vision for America over the next four years is conspicuously thin, much to the dismay of Democratic pollsters. As for O, he’s got two basic themes, each of them potentially problematic. One: He’ll dismiss Romney’s messaging at the first debate as evidence that he’s a flip-flopper, although that’ll undercut Team Obama’s months-long messaging about what a committed neo-Goldwater ideological fanatic Mitt supposedly is. Two: He’ll go after Romney on Bain and the “47 percent,” although if he’s too nasty about it he’ll risk leaving the sort of jackhole impression that Biden left after the VP debate. Biden could get away with that because he’s Biden, because he was playing to his base, and because ultimately no one really cares what happens at the VP debate. Obama, who’s been banking on a vanishing “likeability gap” with Romney to put him over the top, really can’t. There’s very little left of Hopenchange circa 2008 as it is; if he loses his above-the-fray Bambi image too, then there’s basically nothing.

Having said that, I think there’s virtually nothing O could do onstage tonight short of barfing on someone that’ll get the left to admit afterward that he did poorly. They desperately need him to have a good performance to remain viable, and thus the narrative will make it so tomorrow even if Obama doesn’t make it so tonight. His problem is that, even with that media cushion, it’s unlikely that Romney will falter, which is really what O needs to reverse the momentum here. The only thing I can think of that might potentially get hairy for Romney is if he’s put on the spot by a questioner who’s either extremely confrontational or somehow deeply sympathetic — a “YouTube moment,” in other words. Romney can handle himself against O, but the crux of the Dems’ message against him has always been that he’s some sort of enemy of the working man. If they get a moment like that tonight, of some audience member being accusatory with Romney, that could get traction. All depends upon how he handles it, of course.

Here’s the Hot Air/Townhall Twitter widget for live-tweeting. While we wait, revisit four of Obama’s emptiest campaign promises from the last townhall debate he did in 2008, as there are bound to be a few more tonight. And bear in mind that no matter how well he does, his campaign’s still facing one last jobs report before election day — and all signs point to something not so hope-y change-y. Exit quotation from Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg: “The danger for Obama is that Romney would become the candidate of change.”



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she looks stoned.

envycat on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Megyn Kelly is whispering.

Corporal Tunnel on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Gets me every time.

TXUS on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Ahhh. I’m calling her shoulder pads tonight.

txhsmom on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Oink.

Western_Civ on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Will the fate of our Republic be determined in the next 90 minutes????

tkyang99 on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

nope that will happen on Nov 6 ….

conservative tarheel on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I’ve been praying for ABO for a loooonnnngggg time, but have also been praying for R&R since they were chosen….Dear Lord, please be with us as we pray for our nation.

sicoit on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Dear God woman!

You are ugly!

TomAnon on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Why are Lib women beastly?

malkinmania on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

ARRRRrrrggghhhhhhhhh!

Candy Crowley!!!! MY eyes!!!!!!

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

In Jesus’ Name

Amen!

SouthernGent on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Seconded SG.

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

hawkdriver:Amen,third:)

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

shes already lied

skatz51 on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

On your marks…..

Deano1952 on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Crowley has already taken over……ugh

sicoit on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Damned she’s Frankenstien ugly..

wolly4321 on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Shes got shoulders like Clark kent

malkinmania on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Wait, Jabba is the moderator?

midgeorgian on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Interesting reversal of tie color..

nobar on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

They’ve switched tie colors.

tru2tx on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Egad here we go.

Badger40 on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

The Affordable Healthcare Act is important to many people.

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Couldn’t those few things that are positive in this act have been passed without all the baggage?

chemman on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Obama looks stiff.

GaltBlvnAtty on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

The Affordable Healthcare Act is important to many people.

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Yeah, important. It caused us to lose the good coverage we had, our employer wouldn’t deal with the excise taxes. It will force us to offend our consciences as we fund women’s abortions and abortifacients. It will cause our young people to fund the healthcare of their elders. It will cause our loved ones with disabilities and those who are elderly or have more serious illnesses to forego needed treatments and services, as the IPAB decides who is worthy of treatment.

Definitely important.

obladioblada on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

You are one of many. One.
There are many helped by the new healthcare law.

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

we are going to see cocky Obama tonight. He pranced in like a gigolo

portlandon on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

I CAN`T LOOK!!!!!!!!!!! *Hides under desk*

ThePrez on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Is that Candy Crowley or John Madden?

shawk on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Time to get it on with CNN’s scrolling “undecided” voter lines….who all voted for Obama in 2008.

Zaggs on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

In Jesus’ Name

Amen!

SouthernGent on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Seconded SG.

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

hawkdriver:Amen,third:)

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Make it so!

(Somebody had to go there.)

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

So, lets get this out right away. BO wins. No matter what happens.

There I feel better now

He could pull out his johnson and flagellate and the media will say he won.

TomAnon on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Why are Lib women beastly?

malkinmania on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Not all are. Kirsten Powers, ScarJo, Beyonce, etc.

TXUS on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

1st question: No jobs for young people.

Philly on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Standing with one foot on the chair,

He left the mom jeans at home

audiotom on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

WOW! What an old Dykey sow this moderator is? I’ve never seen her before…

OmahaConservative on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Jeremy Epstein?????

sicoit on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

How can you be an uncommitted voter these days?

Badger40 on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Damned she’s Frankenstien ugly..

wolly4321 on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Creepy Crowley?

Benedict Nelson on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Preezy looks amaciated.

surrounded on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

jeremy needs a hug.

Western_Civ on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

“Uncommitted voters from the New York area” – LOL, yeah, this won’t be skewed in one direction or the other.

ffs.

Midas on October 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

I understand Obama handed in his answers in advance so they could be matched to questions.

IndieDogg on October 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

oZero looks like he did a few rails on the way in. Higher than a kite. Got his mad face on as well.

rodguy911 on October 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

She looks like she had botox injections…

dukecitygirl on October 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

There is a reason why O Linemen wear shoulder pads and women shouldn’t.

Odie1941 on October 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

The Affordable Healthcare Act is important to many people.

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Couldn’t those few things that are positive in this act have been passed without all the baggage?

chemman on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Obama didn’t write it. You cannot blame him.

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

…I know yesterday Ed said to be nice…but I thought John Candy passed away…how did he get such long hair?

KOOLAID2 on October 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Mitt sounds flu-ish.

Badger40 on October 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

At least that dweebie didnt start crying on national TV.

Jeddite on October 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Looking good..:)

idesign on October 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Go!

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Romney looks more at ease than BHO.

tru2tx on October 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

You’re right. He punted it to Pelosi and Reid, your BFFs.

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Preezy looks amaciated.

surrounded on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

And kind of green around the gills.

Alana on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Surprise! Softball to Romney about jobs. Hmmmmm. Is it a trap?

bitsy on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Live video: President Obama, Mitt Romney square off in 2nd presidential debate at Hofstra University – @NBCNews

3 mins ago from http://www.breakingnews.com by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/us-presidential-debates-2012

http://politics.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

The Affordable Healthcare Act is important to many people.

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Moby alert. Just stop.

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Obama didn’t write it. You cannot blame him.

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Did he read it? I doubt it.
And he loves it.

Badger40 on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Pretty good opening question:)

kcd on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Romney isn’t getting specific on this answer, so I expect the moderator to nail him.

karenhasfreedom on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Lousy answer by Mitt on the education part of the first question.

BuckeyeSam on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Mitt… Sloooow down a bit

WhoU4 on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Sounds like government handouts to me.
What is the difference between Obama and Romney again?
Seriously, I was leaning Romney. Until he opened his mouth in the last debate.
The same. Bush years 2.0.

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Looks like she was able to stomp all over the prearranged rules and ask follow-ups.

That broad’s lucky she’s not party to a contract.

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

My wife was watching CNN’s coverage, and as soon as Candy Crowley appeared, stated “She looks like the Trunchbull!” I about fell out of my chair laughing.

Mohonri on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

First question from … a 20 year old moron. Great. “How can you reassure my parents I’ll get a job?” Romney up first.

I know how to get the economy going. I’ll do what it takes to create jobs and bring back economy so you can get a good job, pay of your debts.

thatsafactjack on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Romney has been looking forward to this.

surrounded on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Stinky answer, Mitt. Calm down.

ExpressoBold on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Obama didn’t write it. You cannot blame him.

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Ha!Ha..Drink!..:)

Dire Straits on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Mitt starts off by being warm and familiar. Hits on Obama recession. He knows how to create jobs. Half of students won’t have jobs and a mountain of debt. Bringing back the economy. Middle class crushed. Good start.

Philly on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

His future is bright?

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Obama is speaking, ergo my vomit is rising.

Badger40 on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

nitpick: Mitt shouldnt have said “kids”; should have said “young adults”.

Jeddite on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

MItt comes out with both guns blazing!!

rodguy911 on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Guess Obama doesn’t want to thank anyone

Zaggs on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

n Jesus’ Name

Amen!

SouthernGent on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Seconded SG.

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

hawkdriver:Amen,third:)

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Make it so!

(Somebody had to go there.)

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

so let it be written … so let it be done ….

conservative tarheel on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Evening BedBug! I sure can. He signed it, he should have read it. Guilty.

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Candy looks like the singer from Heart. Wilson sister, Ann or Nancy can’t ever remember which is heavy, which is thin.

Brat on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

BRIGHT = Hope!!!

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Romney, owned companies, started companies, went to college, et al…yeah Jeremy Epstein….good question for someone WHO CAN REALLY ANSWER IT!!! Oh, now the liar……share, equal, fair….blah blah blah….we created jobs….

sicoit on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

liar

MontanaMmmm on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

5 million jobs!

SMACKRUNNER on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

horrible answer with zero specifics from romney. That was probably the easiest question he’ll get all night, and he blew it.

Western_Civ on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Here comes Barky: What 5 million jobs? This kid does not care about manufacturing. He’s in college.

Philly on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Strong opener by Mitt.

Looks like he’s going to be the genial type, which won him the last one.

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Cripes. The first question I would ask that kid is: “what’s your major?”

PackerBronco on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Whoah!
Bammy created 5 million jobs!
Awesome!
Mitt hates everybody.
Evil capitalist!

Badger40 on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Bammie’s clutching the mike so hard he has white knuckles. Seriously.

tru2tx on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Romney bombed on that answer WTF?

bgibbs1000 on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Here goes Obloviater, hes stumbling

kcd on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

So far Romney had a higher plus than Obama, Obama dips on his attack line.

Zaggs on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Poor first answer, Mitt.

talkingpoints on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

College students don’t want manufacturing jobs, Mr. President. So this answer missed the mark.

karenhasfreedom on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Obama, does he look like someone ready for a factory job?

WhoU4 on October 16, 2012 at 9:07 PM

5 million jobs created … when and were ….

yeah GM is still losing money hand over fist …

conservative tarheel on October 16, 2012 at 9:07 PM

You’ve been President for 4 years. How does the auto union help a college kid?

txhsmom on October 16, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Barry goes negative first. Bad idea.

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Guess Obama doesn’t want to thank anyone

Zaggs on October 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

caught that too.

odd.

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Gah, I don’t know if I can watch The Won pander.

Vera on October 16, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Obama didn’t write it. You cannot blame him.

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Did he read it? I doubt it.
And he loves it.

Badger40 on October 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

No one read it.
i will agree it was too much baggage.
BUT, it is more than what the republicans are doing. Nothing.

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Good luck, Mitt, for the sake of America.

I’m going to do chase-play on the DVR – just planted my winter garden collards, collards, and more collards – to be harvested and simmered down with smoked ham hocks) and I’s sore and hungry and need to go to the store.

I’ll comment later, after it’s over, + my chase-play time.

God help us. Truly, I pray.

cane_loader on October 16, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Øh good! Ø is out-stinking Mitt.

ExpressoBold on October 16, 2012 at 9:07 PM

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