Open thread: The second debate

posted at 8:38 pm on October 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

9 p.m. ET across the dial, don’t miss your chance to watch a man who “really doesn’t like people” try to relate to average voters. According to Team Mitt, all they need tonight is a tie:

“He does not need to take home the same performance” as in the first debate in Denver on Oct. 3, in which Romney was widely considered the dominant debater, the aide, who is involved in the debate preparation, told National Journal on Tuesday. He said that the Romney team is preparing for a fierce attack from Obama on all fronts even though a town-hall format generally requires candidates to address questioners from the audience more than they do each other.

“They can’t afford another debate where they don’t lash out,” said the aide, who would speak only on condition of anonymity about internal debate preparations. “So we’re ready for it: the ‘47 percent’ comment, Bain Capital, the Cayman Islands” tax shelters, all of which have been staples of the Obama ad campaign in recent months…

The Romney team doesn’t expect foreign policy to dominate this debate, but they also hope to raise fresh questions over the Sept. 11 death of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Libya by focusing on what they consider a misstatement by Vice President Joe Biden in his Oct. 11 debate with Rep. Paul Ryan, the aide said.

Benghazi is one obvious line of attack. Another, I hope, is Mitt trying to pin Obama down on what exactly he intends to do with a second term. For all of the Democrats’ cutesy-poo gimmicks about Romney’s evasiveness, the incumbent’s vision for America over the next four years is conspicuously thin, much to the dismay of Democratic pollsters. As for O, he’s got two basic themes, each of them potentially problematic. One: He’ll dismiss Romney’s messaging at the first debate as evidence that he’s a flip-flopper, although that’ll undercut Team Obama’s months-long messaging about what a committed neo-Goldwater ideological fanatic Mitt supposedly is. Two: He’ll go after Romney on Bain and the “47 percent,” although if he’s too nasty about it he’ll risk leaving the sort of jackhole impression that Biden left after the VP debate. Biden could get away with that because he’s Biden, because he was playing to his base, and because ultimately no one really cares what happens at the VP debate. Obama, who’s been banking on a vanishing “likeability gap” with Romney to put him over the top, really can’t. There’s very little left of Hopenchange circa 2008 as it is; if he loses his above-the-fray Bambi image too, then there’s basically nothing.

Having said that, I think there’s virtually nothing O could do onstage tonight short of barfing on someone that’ll get the left to admit afterward that he did poorly. They desperately need him to have a good performance to remain viable, and thus the narrative will make it so tomorrow even if Obama doesn’t make it so tonight. His problem is that, even with that media cushion, it’s unlikely that Romney will falter, which is really what O needs to reverse the momentum here. The only thing I can think of that might potentially get hairy for Romney is if he’s put on the spot by a questioner who’s either extremely confrontational or somehow deeply sympathetic — a “YouTube moment,” in other words. Romney can handle himself against O, but the crux of the Dems’ message against him has always been that he’s some sort of enemy of the working man. If they get a moment like that tonight, of some audience member being accusatory with Romney, that could get traction. All depends upon how he handles it, of course.

Here’s the Hot Air/Townhall Twitter widget for live-tweeting. While we wait, revisit four of Obama’s emptiest campaign promises from the last townhall debate he did in 2008, as there are bound to be a few more tonight. And bear in mind that no matter how well he does, his campaign’s still facing one last jobs report before election day — and all signs point to something not so hope-y change-y. Exit quotation from Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg: “The danger for Obama is that Romney would become the candidate of change.”



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2. Gallup selected all “independent” voters from Nassau County in a dark blue state

Nassau is Peter King’s (r-homeland chair) district. If they are actually Nassau county residents, night not be too bad. But long Island undecided at this point in the campaign leans Commie.

Who is John Galt on October 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

@KatiePavlich Ed Klein just reported on Lou dobbs that there are cables that Hillary requested security to be added in Benghazi before 9/11

Retweeted by Katie Pavlich

Whoa!

flyfisher on October 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

UH OH!

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

I have faith – deep faith that Mitt will be victorious. Doesn’t mean I can’t still get butterflies in my stomach and have to watch through my fingers.

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

I have two fingers reserved for obumbles!

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

I think the whole debate is gonna pretty much boil down to the first mention of “47 percent” and Mitt’s response. That brief exchange is gonna determine the outcome of the debate, and maybe even the whole election!

tkyang99 on October 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

My response: BO flipped a big bird to the 66% of America that didn’t want Obamacare. Why the big deal about Romney’s 47%?

CJ on October 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Not sure I can watch…

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 8:45 PM

yes you CAN! (actually I felt the same way before the first debate) We’re all in this together. Be brave!

The CEO vs. the File Clerk!

Key West Reader on October 16, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Classic! Let it be so!

seesalrun2 on October 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Reading this thread so far – at 52 years – I cannot remember in my life an election that stirred so much passion – on both sides.

Some times I wonder if this was the passion in 1776?

jake-the-goose on October 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

The audio for the first debate. For a light download, easy to listen to in the background, the 1st debate audio & transcript: http://www.npr.org/2012/10/03/162258551/transcript-first-obama-romney-presidential-debate

anotherJoe on October 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Hey I happen to LIKE Chicken Gumbo

do not do that to me ….. I may not be able to enjoy it again ….

conservative tarheel on October 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Just call him “debris.”

It’s a black gumbo available on certain streets in poor, African-American sections of town in south Louisiana. It’s made of offal.

cane_loader on October 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Go MITT!

mperek on October 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

God Bless you Mitt.

If you knock off Obama you will be a hero in the eyes of right minded Americans for two Generations.

SparkPlug on October 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

do not do that to me ….. I may not be able to enjoy it again ….

conservative tarheel on October 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I now refer it as Gumbo the Clown.

CW on October 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Gracious Father, please protect and guide Mitt Romney as he continues to lay out his vision for restoring and making America great again.

22044 on October 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

From your lips to God’s ear, my friend.

Midas on October 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

I don’t see the Twitter widget, AP.

JPeterman on October 16, 2012 at 8:41 PM

.
Click on the Twitter icon.

I’ve got the HA comments on my left screen, the Twitter on my right and the debate on Fox News to the right of the right screen.

(If pressed, I can use the other computer’s left screen for additional internet sourcing and my Toshiba tablet for FaceBook)

Warming up the psionic cannon … NOW!

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Candy just took the stage – nappy hair and all!

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Good Luck Mr. Romney

workingclass artist on October 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Stomp his guts out Mitt. Averting Civil War depends on it.

wolly4321 on October 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

flyfisher on October 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

COOLNESS !!! Let it be true !!! And exposed !!!

pambi on October 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

ot: hope server doesn’t crash like the other night, assume plans for 11/6 strength are in place.

Who is John Galt on October 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Our drinking game is a shot of jack every time the Moron says “er, ah, buh, duh, or nuh”. We’ll never make it through the first 1/2 hour.

rik on October 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Remember everyone – Romney is a closer – always has been.

jake-the-goose on October 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Anybody have Online Debate Linky problems,I’ve got back-ups!:)

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

jake-the-goose on October 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM


For the VP debate:

“When a wise person debates with a fool, the fool rages and laughs, and there is no peace and quiet” – Proverbs 29:9

How on earth did this not come out immediately?

Happy Nomad on October 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Lets hope for a return of the Death Star.

nobar on October 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

“Good evening”, he lied.

SMACKRUNNER on October 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Carl Cameron makes me ill. Scum bag.

portlandon on October 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

it’s a man babeee!

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

I can’t believe how nervous I am.

tbrickert on October 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

FYI:

Speaking of Tonight’s Debate…

Fox News is reporting that the format for tonight’s debate will be slightly changed to allow the moderator to ask follow-up questions rather than just coordinate the town hall audience’s questions.

Somewhere the Obama team is smiling…

This is not surprising, and continues more underhanded, double-dealing by the media.

Pray that Candy Crowley’s bias will be blatantly obvious to all.

INC on October 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Not sure I can watch…

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Sure you can. Have no fear and watch America’s next president debate.

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

cane_loader on October 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I want to see why BO let a female man up for his screwup IRT to an American Ambassador being murdered … the buck stops at the WH ….
if he wants the glory … he gets the screw-ups ….

conservative tarheel on October 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Dear Lord,

Please be with Mitt Romney. Give him peace. Give him wisdom. Shield him from evil.

In Jesus’ Name

Amen!

SouthernGent on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

flyfisher on October 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

COOLNESS !!! Let it be true !!! And exposed !!!

pambi on October 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

If it’s true, I don’t think it can be contained.

flyfisher on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I’m afraid Obama is going to come out swinging and the momentum will swing back to the president’s side.
I am most definitely undecided. Life long democrat, unhappy with obama, but I don’t like Mitt’s ideas either.
The Affordable Healthcare Act is important to many people.

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Candy Crowley is warming up the crowd…singing Daisy…hehe.

d1carter on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

i hope candy is lookin’ sexy as always.

GhoulAid on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Candy Crowley chose the questions? Pffttt, this will be……fun…….NOT! ugh…*clink*

sicoit on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I can’t see Obama doing any better in this venue – still no teleprompter.

tru2tx on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Sen. John Kerry before debate calls Romney out on bi-partisanship: ‘Flim-flam-est political artistry’ – @Suntimes

1 min ago from blogs.suntimes.com by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Stomp his guts out Mitt. Averting Civil War depends on it.

wolly4321 on October 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

The riots will still happen, see Romney Poll thread for advice.

Who is John Galt on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Yup, the leakers are out in force. No coincidence this all went down right before this debate.

Philly on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

How on earth did this not come out immediately?

Happy Nomad on October 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

It was quoted in numerous places and blogs last week. I don’t know who first thought to use it.

INC on October 16, 2012 at 8:57 PM

The Romney Tax Plan. The 0 Economy™ plan.

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Let the uhh’s commence in five minutes!

22044 on October 16, 2012 at 8:57 PM

forgot about an HOA meeting at 7PM PST… oh tjord, hopefully the last third isnt the best third :|

Jeddite on October 16, 2012 at 8:57 PM

3 minutes

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 8:57 PM

i hope candy is lookin’ sexy as always.

GhoulAid on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

{{shudder}}

I hear she’s a vegetarian???? It shows…… (blush)

sicoit on October 16, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Praise the Lord and pass the ammo. Let’s go!

Philly on October 16, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Well, I see from the Townhall feed that 0 has already come out on stage. So where is Gov Romney?

/eastwood

JohnGalt23 on October 16, 2012 at 8:57 PM

SouthernGent on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Amen
PS help him kick butt. :)

tbrickert on October 16, 2012 at 8:57 PM

For Obama’s last meal, he requested steak and potatoes.

But Moochelle overruled his choice. Arugula and peas.

ugottabekiddingme on October 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

CNN Crowley as Moderator, Nassau County hometowners;

I’m getting nervous, Please Governor Romney; please nail it and hit it out of the park!

skatz51 on October 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

@KatiePavlich Ed Klein just reported on Lou dobbs that there are cables that Hillary requested security to be added in Benghazi before 9/11

Retweeted by Katie Pavlich

Hillary requested WHO ?
WHO denied the request ?
I hope there is a Friday evening dump

burrata on October 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

T-Minus………..one Minute and Sumpin……………

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Special focus….WOMEN? Good gawd…..

sicoit on October 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Enough of the foreplay, let’s get it on!!!

TXUS on October 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Sure you are, moby.

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

@KatiePavlich Ed Klein just reported on Lou dobbs that there are cables that Hillary requested security to be added in Benghazi before 9/11

Retweeted by Katie Pavlich

Whoa!

flyfisher on October 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

UH OH!

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Very interesting.

Klein said on Kudlow’s Saturday radio show that something could hit the fan in the next couple of days.

Cody1991 on October 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Keep me posted; no way I am going to miss watching the Yankapups suffer.

0-0 after 3 innings. Epic.

Del Dolemonte on October 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

I’m not a praying man, but I prayed for Romney.

Oil Can on October 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

sausage or pepperoni?

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

For those so inclined, I believe a quick prayer, for Gov Romney and the future of the US, is in order…

JohnGalt23 on October 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

@KatiePavlich Ed Klein just reported on Lou dobbs that there are cables that Hillary requested security to be added in Benghazi before 9/11

Retweeted by Katie Pavlich

Whoa!

flyfisher on October 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

This is about the third Clinton domino I’ve counted. They’re playing Obama.

1. Hillary takes responsibility in a non-responsible way.
2. That former aid to BillyJeff and Obama wonders why Obama is in politics in the first place because he can’t stand people.
3. Clinton pulls out this paper trail.

INC on October 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Click on the Twitter icon.

I’ve got the HA comments on my left screen, the Twitter on my right and the debate on Fox News to the right of the right screen.

(If pressed, I can use the other computer’s left screen for additional internet sourcing and my Toshiba tablet for FaceBook)

Warming up the psionic cannon … NOW!

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Thank you, now if it will only load.

JPeterman on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Do we get an Air Force flyover, National Anthem singing, and prayerful Invocation before this event?

Why not? Many other Sporting Events of National Significance do ;)

Who is John Galt on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Dear Lord,

Please be with Mitt Romney. Give him peace. Give him wisdom. Shield him from evil.

In Jesus’ Name

Amen!

SouthernGent on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Seconded SG.

hawkdriver on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

@KatiePavlich Ed Klein just reported on Lou dobbs that there are cables that Hillary requested security to be added in Benghazi before 9/11

Retweeted by Katie Pavlich

Whoa!

flyfisher on October 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

UH OH!

gophergirl on October 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Yee HA …..
bring it … jug ears …. you are soooo screwed … I love it ….

conservative tarheel on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I really have faith that Zero will ‘see’ the Big Guy standing behind His good son, Mitt, tonight !
Watch Zero’s body language !,
Seriously … Forget his words .. WATCH !!
Lowered eyes, or, if he gets riled up, that horrid mean look !!

pambi on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Gut check time…

wolly4321 on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Will the fate of our Republic be determined in the next 90 minutes????

tkyang99 on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

But Moochelle overruled his choice. Arugula and peas.

ugottabekiddingme on October 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

She would if she could.
She’ll have another priceless glare later on.

22044 on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

The B&O railroad tries to leave the station for a third time. Will the get farther than the first curve before they derail this time.

chemman on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Dear Lord,

Please be with Mitt Romney. Give him peace. Give him wisdom. Shield him from evil.

In Jesus’ Name

Amen!

Amen is right and I’m Jewish

skatz51 on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

LIFTOFF!!!!!!!

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

For Obama’s last meal, he requested steak dog and potatoes.

Fixed it.

TXUS on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Special focus….WOMEN? Good gawd…..

sicoit on October 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

If you’re married, or gay, then the topic of women’s health is not important to you.
Not everyone is married. Or gay.
They are the majority, you know.

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Representatives from various activist groups, including PETA, gathered on the corner of Hempstead Turnpike and California Avenue.

What’s their position on eating dog? Better or worse that crating dog?

talkingpoints on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Has the press declared Obama the winner of the debate yet?

midgeorgian on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

You know…all of you trashing Candy’s good looks…..she’s undergone a huge plastic surgery makeover in the last few years…..just saying…..

BettyRuth on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Dinner and dishes done, kids baths, lunches packed. Red Red Wine.
Dear God give Mitt the courage of conviction and the right words.
Amen.

MontanaMmmm on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

So Hillary out and out lied? That’s quite the surprise…..

BigFluffyClouds on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Megyn Kelly is whispering.

Corporal Tunnel on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

sausage or pepperoni?

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Candy Crowley: BOTH!

GhoulAid on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Lock and load!

TXUS on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

For all of the Democrats’ cutesy-poo gimmicks about Romney’s evasiveness, the incumbent’s vision for America over the next four years is conspicuously thin, much to the dismay of Democratic pollsters.

Thank you, AP. It is difficult to understand Obysmal supporters who don’t ask exactly what it is that their hero’s plans are. They appear to be content only to want Romney’s defeat (without having an understanding of why).

onlineanalyst on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Fill Romney’s mouth with the right words.

Fill obamas mouth with “uhs…uh…uh”

portlandon on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Good lord. It’s Jabba the Hutt…

BigFluffyClouds on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

For Obama’s last meal, he requested steak dog and potatoes.

Fixed it.

TXUS on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

LOL

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

The derop troll for the night?

wargamer6 on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Go Mitt! Get the Sucka!

HiJack on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

SHE LOOKS LIKE SH-T! LOL!

GhoulAid on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

The Affordable Healthcare Act is important to many people.

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Yeah, important. It caused us to lose the good coverage we had, our employer wouldn’t deal with the excise taxes. It will force us to offend our consciences as we fund women’s abortions and abortifacients. It will cause our young people to fund the healthcare of their elders. It will cause our loved ones with disabilities and those who are elderly or have more serious illnesses to forego needed treatments and services, as the IPAB decides who is worthy of treatment.

Definitely important.

obladioblada on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Wow, that Candy is a stout fella.

Norky on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

holy crap…it’s called a hairbrush candy…

buy one.

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

It’s Roseanne Barr!

Corporal Tunnel on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Candy Crowley: BOTH!

GhoulAid on October 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

xtra cheez too.

22044 on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I assume there will be town hall with “undecided” voters in Texas next week, right?

midgeorgian on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Crowley will be the next weight watchers spokesperson

Zaggs on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

BedBug on October 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Crazy as one, bless your little heart.

Aviator on October 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

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