Open thread: The second debate

posted at 8:38 pm on October 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

9 p.m. ET across the dial, don’t miss your chance to watch a man who “really doesn’t like people” try to relate to average voters. According to Team Mitt, all they need tonight is a tie:

“He does not need to take home the same performance” as in the first debate in Denver on Oct. 3, in which Romney was widely considered the dominant debater, the aide, who is involved in the debate preparation, told National Journal on Tuesday. He said that the Romney team is preparing for a fierce attack from Obama on all fronts even though a town-hall format generally requires candidates to address questioners from the audience more than they do each other.

“They can’t afford another debate where they don’t lash out,” said the aide, who would speak only on condition of anonymity about internal debate preparations. “So we’re ready for it: the ‘47 percent’ comment, Bain Capital, the Cayman Islands” tax shelters, all of which have been staples of the Obama ad campaign in recent months…

The Romney team doesn’t expect foreign policy to dominate this debate, but they also hope to raise fresh questions over the Sept. 11 death of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Libya by focusing on what they consider a misstatement by Vice President Joe Biden in his Oct. 11 debate with Rep. Paul Ryan, the aide said.

Benghazi is one obvious line of attack. Another, I hope, is Mitt trying to pin Obama down on what exactly he intends to do with a second term. For all of the Democrats’ cutesy-poo gimmicks about Romney’s evasiveness, the incumbent’s vision for America over the next four years is conspicuously thin, much to the dismay of Democratic pollsters. As for O, he’s got two basic themes, each of them potentially problematic. One: He’ll dismiss Romney’s messaging at the first debate as evidence that he’s a flip-flopper, although that’ll undercut Team Obama’s months-long messaging about what a committed neo-Goldwater ideological fanatic Mitt supposedly is. Two: He’ll go after Romney on Bain and the “47 percent,” although if he’s too nasty about it he’ll risk leaving the sort of jackhole impression that Biden left after the VP debate. Biden could get away with that because he’s Biden, because he was playing to his base, and because ultimately no one really cares what happens at the VP debate. Obama, who’s been banking on a vanishing “likeability gap” with Romney to put him over the top, really can’t. There’s very little left of Hopenchange circa 2008 as it is; if he loses his above-the-fray Bambi image too, then there’s basically nothing.

Having said that, I think there’s virtually nothing O could do onstage tonight short of barfing on someone that’ll get the left to admit afterward that he did poorly. They desperately need him to have a good performance to remain viable, and thus the narrative will make it so tomorrow even if Obama doesn’t make it so tonight. His problem is that, even with that media cushion, it’s unlikely that Romney will falter, which is really what O needs to reverse the momentum here. The only thing I can think of that might potentially get hairy for Romney is if he’s put on the spot by a questioner who’s either extremely confrontational or somehow deeply sympathetic — a “YouTube moment,” in other words. Romney can handle himself against O, but the crux of the Dems’ message against him has always been that he’s some sort of enemy of the working man. If they get a moment like that tonight, of some audience member being accusatory with Romney, that could get traction. All depends upon how he handles it, of course.

Here’s the Hot Air/Townhall Twitter widget for live-tweeting. While we wait, revisit four of Obama’s emptiest campaign promises from the last townhall debate he did in 2008, as there are bound to be a few more tonight. And bear in mind that no matter how well he does, his campaign’s still facing one last jobs report before election day — and all signs point to something not so hope-y change-y. Exit quotation from Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg: “The danger for Obama is that Romney would become the candidate of change.”



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2 libs posing as indies in a row.

El_Terrible on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Different people…excellent!

How’s 0bama different from Hugo Chavez?

freedomfirst on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

why don’t we talk about the last 4 years instead of the 8 before that?

katablog.com on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Undecided my a$$.

Badger40 on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Mitt is knocking this one out of the park!

WisCon on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Good for Mitt!!

Electrongod on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Romney should say that he won’t let Democrats demonize lenders into loaning to freeloader deadbeats.

How about those apples?

BuckeyeSam on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

thatsafactjack on October 16, 2012 at 9:46 PM

+ 100..Good to see you..:)

Dire Straits on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Ha! 1/2 trillion!

Eleven on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Lame weapon blunted effortlessly

surrounded on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

How obvious.

An “uncommitted voter” who hates Bush.

.

Cody1991 on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

BTW she is NO RELATION TO ME :)

skatz51 on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Is Bush running AGAIN? Damn that Chimpy has been running every year since 2000.

Brat on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

OMG its ass BOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSHHHHHis fault.

tom2789 on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

OK, mark this down.

Obama tried to push a wimminses issue and Mitt shut him down with what is really important.

OOOF, Obama! OOOF, Candy.

/Brilliant

Key West Reader on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

DANG, Romney is KILLING on this Bush question!!! Good job!!!!

tkyang99 on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Romney calling Obama on what he said under BUSH… half a trillion is outrageous for deficits… now its over a trillion EVERY YEAR FOR LAST FOUR YEARS!

thatsafactjack on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Mitt Romney attacking Bush administration.

Fantastic answer to differentiate himself from Bush 43.

technopeasant on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Ms Katz is not happy about the last 4 years, but her point is how bad bush was. YOU B-TCH!

GhoulAid on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Keep cool and you’ll be fine Mitt. Real undecideds are ticked off that plants are in the debate audience.

22044 on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Romney kickin these libs asses.

tbear44 on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Romney’s nailing this question, without ripping Bush. Well done.

MadisonConservative on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Romney should have said you need to be worried about 4 more years of Obama policies.

xblade on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Shatner pix throughout the interwebs.

jukin3 on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Mitt is handling this well. Good way to handle the plant. Focus on jobs, taxes, deficit and Obamacare.

Philly on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Great answer on this very crappy Bush question.

changer1701 on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

I bet that Booooooosssshhhh question jumped out to Candy!

d1carter on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Notice the specifics from Romney. Obama just “feels”

Taxman on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Mitt handled that well. And he is handing Obummer his azz! And O aint happy!

kcd on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Great answer so far!

skatz51 on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Yes, more trade with Latin America. Cheaper burritos for all. This is huge!

bayam on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

BUSH,

I SMELL A SEEDED/PLANTED

HITJOB!!!!!!!

canopfor on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Has Barry found the teleprompter Candy placed in the wings for him?

katablog.com on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Mitt must have been waiting for this question. He’s rocking it just right on compare to Bush, and got in several good shots at Bambi while he did it.

Freelancer on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Obama is running against Bush and on Clinton’s economic achievements.
Forward …

burrata on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

OK, looks like either we all got that right or we are paranoid as hell.

ExpressoBold on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

I’m listening, not watching. Was the “BOOOSH!!!” question lady wearing a Romney sticker on the back of her t-shirt?

rogerb on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Hahaha, he totally ducked that question.

Typhonsentra on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Romney is rocking this.

thatsafactjack on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Hanging curve! BOOM!

Fallon on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Romney is answering this BOOOOSH question very well.

karenhasfreedom on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

How is Barack Obama different from Benito Mussolini?

MidniteRambler on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Obama voter, not undecided ! O, smirking some, think cameraman told not to do to many close up ?

Sandybourne on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Romney slams Obama in his answer to the loaded Bush question.
Super job.

GaltBlvnAtty on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Well!

davidk on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

A question about BOOOOOOOOSHH!!!! Here come’s the blame game!

rgrovr on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Romney looking good.

Ragnar Danneskold on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

He gave a great answer to her on Bush

skatz51 on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Mitt was right ! He was supposed to be allowed to respond !
Did well to cover that.

pambi on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Romney on friggin’ fire.

obumbles getting schooled and smacked around!!

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Romney is consistently landing nice jabs and lefts.

Bmore on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Very strong answer by Mitt.

And Crowley screwed him over on that last exchange. Screwed him over hard.

KingGold on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Sounds like he handled it well.

22044 on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

He inherited tough times!!!

climbnjump on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Long list of bad about O’Care!

Slainte on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Who were those people that said the Obama is smart?

lhuffman34 on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Just like Ryan… Seems Romney is acting to nice & letting good comebacks like the salaries of woman in OFraud’s admin is less then men…

Y314K on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Blame Bush! Drink!

badtemper on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

How’s 0bama different from Hugo Chavez?

freedomfirst on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Chavez has a bigger a$$, Obama IS a bigger A$$.

Oldnuke on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Grace even when confronted with Bush! Love it!

Gulfcoastconservative on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Inherited!!!! BOOOOOSHH!

Sasha List on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Obama: Booooossssshhhh!

obladioblada on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

What a shock, more class warfare

Zaggs on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Why is Hussein responding ? Again ?

burrata on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

O-Yes, it is all Bush’s fault. You’re exactly right.

talkingpoints on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Romney sounded like he was expecting the Bush question. Good answer.

IdrilofGondolin on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

If I were Romney, I would say, you might attribute it to Bush’s actions, but I attribute it to Bush’s inability to pierce through the Democrat interference on oversight of Fannie and Freddie.

Axeman on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Smack that plant around Mitt, owned

1984 in real life on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

I haven’t seen a comment on this yet:

Romney is putting in as strong a performance in this debate so far as he did in the first debate.

PolAgnostic on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Seriously? Romney is having to tell why he isn’t Bush? This is a valid question Crowley felt needed to be asked? BS plant question!

Rockshine on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Mitt is winning!!!

MGardner on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

it is always bushes fault … for 4 years now … and for another 4 years if Obama is reelected …..

conservative tarheel on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Jobs created. Where? In the govt?

surrounded on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

5.2 created? How many lost???

Taxman on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

It is difficult for the Marxist to talk about the last four years….

d1carter on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

What didn’t she like about Bush, the 4% unemployment,or the $1.86 gas?

SailorMark on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Here we go, Barry can whine about George Bush. This is the most obviously planted question ever.

Candy, you are a liberal shill. Objectivity my foot.

Philly on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Barry claimed that his Stimulus Bill would have unemployment below 6% by now.

Get him, Mitt, and put a stop to this BUSH DID IT crap.

MidniteRambler on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

BO claims he’ll create more jobs – why didn’t he do that in the last 4 years?

climbnjump on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Boooooooooooosh!

Road bumps!

Headwinds!

Jobs are going up during my administration!

Freelancer on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Hmmmm. Obama seems to be weakening. Other than staring at Romney like a loon, he seems tired.

pat on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Obama sounds like a guy who can’t tell a good joke. You’re always waiting for the punch line, but it falls short.

txhsmom on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Well done, Mitt !

pambi on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Does Obama seem like an ineffective idiot to anyone else?

BuckeyeSam on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

LOLLERCOPTER – He said Tax Cuts are too blame for recession that he himself reauthorized TWICE!!

HAHA

rgrovr on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

WHAT?

tbrickert on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Please some give Obama a Stradivarius !

Sandybourne on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

According to Obama, this election is between Bill Clinton and George W Bush.

bitsy on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

How’s 0bama different from Hugo Chavez?

freedomfirst on October 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

How apt a question!

How is Romney different from Booosh? Uh, last time I looked, Bush was not running! Four years and we are still hearing “Boooosh!!” Why? Can’t find anything positive about the current CinC? I didn’t think so.

IrishEyes on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

God I despise this lying clown.

xblade on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

31 consecutive months of job growth? I don’t believe in using drugs as a recreational activity!

Mormon Doc on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Obama has been so damn tough on China!,,,

Gulfcoastconservative on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

How is Obama like Carter – is that the next question?

Rockygold on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Obama is just blurting every attack he has on every question.

El_Terrible on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Why is Hussein responding ? Again ?

burrata on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Candy always gives him the last word.

Tim_CA on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

They’re trying to cheat

22044 on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Loved the way Romney tied Bush to Obama for deficits and debt!

lhuffman34 on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

I was doing better under Boosh than BHO! what freaking plan is he talking about? Now it’s Bain. Good lord, please….

kareyk on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Obama is rambling now. That planted question totally got derailed.

BigFluffyClouds on October 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

I’m listening, not watching. Was the “BOOOSH!!!” question lady wearing a Romney sticker on the back of her t-shirt?

rogerb on October 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM

no, but her hair looked just as disheveld as candy’s. yes, liberal women are ugly. proven once again tonight.

GhoulAid on October 16, 2012 at 9:50 PM

No, SPENDING is what caused Bush’s deficits.

We had RECORD REVENUE.

Obama invests in Chinese companies through his retirement account.

Resist We Much on October 16, 2012 at 9:50 PM

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