Hillary in 2008: “That buck stopped in the Oval Office”

posted at 8:41 am on October 16, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Who could have predicted four years ago that electing a President with no executive experience might end up producing a chief executive that ran away from responsibility for his administration’s actions?  The same woman who just took responsibility for this administration’s failures in Benghazi, as it turns out.  BuzzFeed’s Andrew Kaczynski finds this nugget from January 2008, in which Hillary Clinton tells a Missouri crowd that America needs a President who understands that “the buck stop[s] in the White House,” and presumably not Foggy Bottom or Langley:

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton took “responsibility” for the lack of security at U.S. consulate in Benghazi in an interview with CNN tonight. In remarks from Peru, Clinton said that the “President and Vice President certainly wouldn’t be knowledgeable about specific decisions that are made by security professionals.”

But in 2008, then Senator Clinton criticized then Senator Obama during the Democratic primary seizing on comments Obama had made about being a President who would inspire and provide a vision for the country and not make sure “everything’s running on time.” …

Hillary Clinton also said at rally in Missouri in January, “I believe we need a president who believed what Harry Truman believed. That buck stopped in the Oval Office.”

Allahpundit last night wondered whether Barack Obama would magnanimously assure people in tonight’s debate that the buck stops at his desk. Frankly, it’s too late for that now.  Hillary may or may not have intended to take some heat off of the White House after Joe Biden’s Sergeant Schultz “We knew nothing” declaration at Thursday’s debate, but all she ended up doing is making Obama look tremendously weak by contrast.  Obama had almost five weeks to get in front of a camera and state the obvious — that he’s ultimately responsible for anything that happens within his administration. In fact, he’s has five weeks to get in front of a camera and address the American people about what turned out to be the first successful terrorist attack on an American diplomatic mission in 14 years — and he still hasn’t done so.  Instead, he’s doing sports talk shows while his White House staff try to shift blame onto State and the intel community.

It’s a jaw-dropping display of a leadership vacuum, which Hillary ended up having to fill herself.  This is exactly what Hillary warned voters about in 2008.  The contrast between her moment of leadership in this crisis and Obama’s lack of leadership since the very beginning of it will not help Obama make the case for another four years of buck-passing at the top, not even when Obama showed leadership on the Nicki Minaj-Mariah Carey feud.


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Unless Hillary resigns, her words are mere dust in the wind.

Meh!

herm2416 on October 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Heard it put well on 1210 today by Stigall.

When a football coach presides over a losing team, the coach is the one who gets fired (unless it’s the Eagles, natch).

When a team loses, the coach is the one who goes before the media an accepts responsibility.

A coach of a losing team doesn’t come out and say, “hey, it was the defensive line coach who muddled up the game plan, and even he said so, so don’t blame me.”

That’s not how being the leader works.

Good Lt on October 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Charlene Lamb, Deputy Secretary of State, was following events “in almost real time.” She knew what had happened, but they want you to believe that Lamb didn’t tell HER DIRECT SUPERIOR, MRS CLINTON, and Mrs Clinton didn’t tell HER DIRECT SUPERIOR, BARACK OBAMA.

Resist We Much on October 16, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Precisely.

We’re being asked to believe that after multiple attacks on us in the area, increasing danger in the area that drove out all other western countries, multiple and repeated requests from our diplomats and security experts in Libya that President Obama never heard about it. This is hard to believe but if true (after all we know that Obama usually didn’t actually get daily intel briefings and that he didn’t meet with his security council after the terrorist attack before a fundraiser in Las Vegas) then heads should have already rolled in the State Dept.

gwelf on October 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Secretary Clinton just gave the us a gift. She did accept responsibility which made BHO look weak. (He IS weak). She did this giving ample time to the Romney debate prep camp to fully craft questions and responses to this. Question #1 – Was BHO briefed before he went to Nevada? What was the nature of that briefing? Question #2 – If everyone was unsure (fog of war), how/why cite a specific video created by an American citizen? If unsure, WHY take that “story” to the UN further creating hatred toward the USA and a US citizen exercising his right to free speech?

Just for starters…

Oink on October 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM

I’m not happy hearing about Hillary “the statesman” who supposedly deserves grudging admiration. She simply acted shrewdly as a politician. She couldn’t battle Obama and Biden without creating an even larger fracas than the one that’s already been created. She did the political thing, not the statesmanlike thing. I wish to God she’d begun brawling with the president, but she did no such thing.

I hate Obama, but I fear Hillary more. Obama is a radical, but he’s also an inept clown who has managed to rub the middle class the wrong way. Hillary is also a radical, only smoother, and her desire to transform our country into one large liberal-fascist village run by Mom is as putrid and scary as anything I can imagine.

Burke on October 16, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Ed, I hope one of you guys hits her on this “Fog of War” nonsense. The metaphor is apt, however, in the age of overhead drones as intelligence/surveillance platforms, security cameras, and real-time intel gathering, we have effectively diminished the “fog of war” over the last several decades. It really cannot hold when our State Dept peeps were watching real time display of the attack while they were sippin’ latte’s and playin’ grab ass back at Saggy…er. Foggy Bottom. Even the UBL raid was watched on live Kill TV back at the White House while they served pizza. The metaphor really only applies to the folks involved in the fight and less so the command structure.

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Barkey was not following anything in real time or post-factum, he was getting his beauty sleep for the next day Vegas fundraiser, where he told his community organizers and volunteers that they did an as valuable job as Ambassador Stevens…so, there…equivalencies…

jimver on October 16, 2012 at 9:50 AM

The attack started at 3:40pm, Washington time, and went on for four hours.

Don’t tell me the White House was not informed on this. They were watching from the WH war room.

He went to bed knowing that Amb. Stevens was either dead or missing and decided, yeah, that trip to Vegas is a go.

WisRich on October 16, 2012 at 10:00 AM

I guess Hillary was right…..it does take a village (idiot) to raise a man child……er

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 10:00 AM

, I say you can pretty much count on the idea that Obama and Hillary were too…without any need of Charlene Lamb’s assistance in being notified.

lynncgb on October 16, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Obama went to bed. Not.Kidding.

Obama: “I’m Going To Bed. You Can Let Me Know About Our Ambassador In The Morning.”

Resist We Much on October 16, 2012 at 10:00 AM

one of the things that alwauys bothered me about 9/11 is that nobody of leadership position faced consequences for the attack. We had the biggest attack on USa soil since 1941 and not one high ranking person lost their job. The head of the FBI, CIA, NSA, SOS, joint chiefs all continued in their jobs as if nothing happened. Yes Bush took leadership of the follow on actions and for that I’m grateful. But no heads rolled, no instead we got the Homeland security admin. I would have fired every person incharge of protecting this country on 9/12 and replaced them with people that could do a better job. I’m having the same problems with this attack. It is A problem with DC I think nobody wants to own up to their mistakes and failures. Nor does it appear that anyone wants to be responsible. It seems they all want their cake and to eat it too in DC. You can’t have power without having consequences if you use that power wrongly. That just gives the impression of being a king not a servant of the people.

unseen on October 16, 2012 at 10:00 AM

If Obama wants to look like a leader here, he should do one of two things:

Ask for Clinton’s resignation, or fire her.

He won’t do either for political reasons.

The best and the brightest, people.

Good Lt on October 16, 2012 at 10:02 AM

What was the overall strategic/political objective which built the framework under which the decision to not show strength and security at the Benghazi Consulate? Who in the administration was ultimately responsible for those decisions?

Obama is responsible for the policy, the failure of security, the success of the attack and the deaths of four Americans.

PleaseFlyOver on October 16, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Barkey was not following anything in real time or post-factum, he was getting his beauty sleep for the next day Vegas fundraiser,

jimver on October 16, 2012 at 9:50 AM

The attack in Benghazi began approximately at 9:30 p.m. (in Libya), which made it about 3:30 p.m. in D.C. If Obama was notified as quickly as I think he should have been, then there was plenty of time for him to be watching the attack before he turned in. No?

lynncgb on October 16, 2012 at 10:02 AM

And, why, one might ask, is she taking responsibility now, more than a month since the tragic events unfolded, and a day before the boy preezy’s big day/debate, and doing it from Peru, where she went because…?? She needed some space or what? I mean if she is this brave gal who lets Barkey hide behind her skirts, and take the responsibility for his dilettantism why not doing it from Day 1?? these idiots have contorted themselves in a giant pretzel with all the lying and spinning and all, only to come with this silly Clinton statement from friggin’ Peru after more than a month???

jimver on October 16, 2012 at 10:02 AM

These are 4 questions to ask your lib friends:

1. Do you really believe that the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State did not tell the Secretary of State what she witnessed “in almost real time” from a command centre in DC and the Secretary of State didn’t tell the President of the United States before she joined him in the Rose Garden for his address to the nation?

2. If Charlene Lamb, the DA of State, didn’t tell the SOS before the latter went to meet with Obama on the morning of 9/12, shouldn’t she be fired? If this is true, why hasn’t she already been fired? Could it be that she did tell the SOS?

3. If the SOS was told and did not tell Obama before she stood next to him in the Rose Garden when he addressed the nation and primarily blamed the video, shouldn’t she be fired? If this is true, why hasn’t she already been fired? Could it be that she did tell Obama?

4. If Obama knew it was an act of terror (and he had to, especially by the time he went on David Letterman, The View and spoke to the UN) and lied to the American people, what else will he lie to the American people about and why should we ever trust him or his administration again?

Resist We Much on October 16, 2012 at 10:05 AM

I know it seems a little bit of a nit pick, but across this great country of ours, a lot of people use a variety of accents when speaking. From east to west, north to south, the accents have caused much confusion and many a misunderstanding. On top of this, areas use slang words that could mean something completely different to people from different parts of the country. So, while it would seem that the President is not taking responsibility, he is just following through on the saying, from what he hears and understands.

The buck stops here.

No. To him, it is:

The bus stops here.

The bus stops at his desk, so he can throw you under it.

LoganSix on October 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM

How many more skirts are available for Obama to hide behind?

St Gaudens on October 16, 2012 at 10:10 AM

What was the overall strategic/political objective which built the framework under which the decision to not show strength and security at the Benghazi Consulate? Who in the administration was ultimately responsible for those decisions?

Obama is responsible for the policy, the failure of security, the success of the attack and the deaths of four Americans.

PleaseFlyOver on October 16, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Obama’s Sudanese Diplomatic Policy; Milk and Cookies

The Washington Post reports, ‘U.S. diplomacy has remained mostly in the hands of one man, Obama’s special envoy to Sudan, retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Scott Gration, who is pushing for normalizing relations with the only country in the world led by a president indicted for war crimes.’

Gration’s money quote: ‘We’ve got to think about giving out cookies,’ said Gration, who was appointed in March. ‘Kids, countries, they react to gold stars, smiley faces, handshakes, agreements, talk, engagement.’”

any questions on why this happened?

unseen on October 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Barkey was not following anything in real time or post-factum, he was getting his beauty sleep for the next day Vegas fundraiser,

jimver on October 16, 2012 at 9:50 AM

The attack in Benghazi began approximately at 9:30 p.m. (in Libya), which made it about 3:30 p.m. in D.C. If Obama was notified as quickly as I think he should have been, then there was plenty of time for him to be watching the attack before he turned in. No?

lynncgb on October 16, 2012 at 10:02 AM

I do remember them saying something that Barry went to bed earlier that day (was it Carney, or I don’t remember exactly who said that), which I found ridiculous anyways, given it was a day with turbulent events all over his beloved Middle East, not only Lybia (Egypt included, which sounded more ominous than Benghazi initially)… but then for someone who doesn’t bother to attend the regular intel briefings because they are the most sopnisticated consumer of news on the planet in the privacy of their vast WH apartments, there would be 0 expectations to follow the events such as the ones in Benghazi in real time…they probably dragged him by the waist to attend the infamous Osama killing one, and in hindsignt he must be oh, so grateful, now that he can put in ads that ‘he killed osama’…

jimver on October 16, 2012 at 10:12 AM

‘Sophisticated’ that is…

jimver on October 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Did anyone else notice how Hillary, in that clip, said she favored a planned economy?

ITguy on October 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Question: Will Bill Clinton still be out campaigning for Obama with his — ahem! usual cheerfulness — or will his enthusiasm be noticeably dampened because Hillary has been forced to take one in the shorts for Obama?
Scriptor on October 16, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Thanks for the imagery.

Western_Civ on October 16, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Like everything with Obama….this is a 180′ from what he and his advisors said before.


FLASHBACK: Obama, Advisors Agreed ‘The Buck Stops’ With President

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/10/15/FLASHBACK-Obama-Advisors-Agreed-The-Buck-Stops-With-President

In July of this year, the President and his advisors spent one weekend coordinating messaging that told the world that “the buck stops” with the President. Rahm Emanuel said that “as President, you can’t have a sign on your desk that says ‘Gone Fishing.’” Axelrod and Obama both used the same Harry Truman analogy to say that any executive is responsible for what happens under his watch.

You can bet that Obama dodging his responsibility and dropping it on “the woman in the house” is not going to play well with women voters.

….”It’s Bush’s fault..
………..It’s Hillary’s fault…
…………….It’s the Tsunami..
…………………..It’s because of Europe….
………………………..It’s the Tea Party’s fault…..
………It’s the Republican House’s fault…..
……………it’s the altitude……..
…………………..it’s because people are racist
………………………..it’s because people don’t appreciate Obama enough…
………………it’s because of FOX News………
………………………it’s because of Romney and Ryan…..
……………………………….it’s the intelligence agencies fault..
………..It’s because of Seal Team 6…oh ..no…wait…I got Osama.

Blah….Blah….Blah….Blah….Blah…..

President “pass the buck” strikes again.
What a coward.

Baxter Greene on October 16, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Let’s face it–any buck that stopped at the Obamuh WH immediately got spent–and mostly wasted.

stukinIL4now on October 16, 2012 at 10:20 AM

I wonder if Hillary, while studying at Welsley and preparing to be a world leader, thought she’d spend most of her life covering for weak presidents?

dirtseller on October 16, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Deserves a repeat!!!!

hoosierma on October 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Am surprised drudge was so low key about this Billary ‘Oct surprise’, given his obsession with Bubba…he has just one headline for this story currently….Jennifer Rubin was more aggressive in her tweeting than him…

jimver on October 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Let’s face it–any buck that stopped at the Obamuh WH immediately got spent–and mostly wasted.

stukinIL4now on October 16, 2012 at 10:20 AM

And then print some more….

jimver on October 16, 2012 at 10:25 AM

America needs a President who understands that “the buck stop[s] in the White House,” and presumably not Foggy Bottom or Langley:


Obamaphones don’t ring at 3am…….

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Secretary Clinton just gave the us a gift. She did accept responsibility which made BHO look weak. (He IS weak). She did this giving ample time to the Romney debate prep camp to fully craft questions and responses to this. Question #1 – Was BHO briefed before he went to Nevada? What was the nature of that briefing? Question #2 – If everyone was unsure (fog of war), how/why cite a specific video created by an American citizen? If unsure, WHY take that “story” to the UN further creating hatred toward the USA and a US citizen exercising his right to free speech?

Just for starters…

Oink on October 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Agreed…

“How does this hurt Obama? Well tonight he will be standing next to Mitt Romney. Romney you might recall has made a rather big stink about Obama’s failure to lead and his own stellar leadership record.

Here’s how he might play this when Benghazi comes up (or he brings it up himself)…”It’s all well and good that Secretary Clinton is taking responsibility but my leadership experience has taught me that only the person at the top of the organization is truly responsible. President Obama is at the top of the Executive Branch and he’s ducking responsibility. I’d like to know if the President agrees with the Secretary and if he does, why hasn’t he asked for her resignation? If he doesn’t agree, why doesn’t he say who is responsible? Most importantly, why hasn’t he taken responsibility from Day 1. Harry Truman didn’t say the buck stopped at the Department of State, it stopped at his desk in the Oval Office.”

And then it will get ugly for Obama when Romney ads, “And who does the President blame for the failure of his policies to get this economy going? The Secretary of the Treasury? Maybe he blames you the voters for not paying enough in taxes. This country needs a President who accepts the responsibility that comes with the job and doesn’t blame his subordinates.”

Obama will have no answer to any of that. He also can’t fire Hillary because that would cause problems with Team PUMA and his administration would be in disarray 3 weeks before the election

He can’t suddenly say, “Oh no, it’s me not Hillary who is responsible” because A-he doesn’t believe that and B-It’s too late. She beat him to the punch, he’ll look like he’s scrambling to catch up (which he would be)….

What Hillary has done is hand Mitt a baseball bat, turned him in the direction of the giant Obama pinata on stage tonight and said, “Have at buddy. Maybe I’ll see you in four years”.

And what’s the downside to Hillary? None. No one is really going to hold her responsible. The DMM (Democratic Machine Media) won’t. The GOP certainly won’t (update: as predicted) and Obama can’t. She’ll be hailed as “presidential”, “the one official willing to stand up and take responsibility” and ironically enough, a “good soldier”.

Don’t forget, Hillary has seen a variation on this play work before. Remember Janet Reno taking the blame for Waco? Clinton looked weak and Reno owned him for the rest of his presidency.

Sure it’s kabuki theater and there are still plenty of outstanding questions (who said “hey, let’s blame a protest about some tape” among them) but the story will be the debate and if Romney can use it to put Obama back on his heels….” – Hillary Throws Obama Under The Bus
—DrewM. http://ace.mu.nu/

workingclass artist on October 16, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Obamaphones don’t ring at 3am…….

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Oooh, SNAP!

Droopy on October 16, 2012 at 10:32 AM

I do remember them saying something that Barry went to bed earlier that day (was it Carney, or I don’t remember exactly who said that), which I found ridiculous anyways,

jimver on October 16, 2012 at 10:12 AM

I remember that too, but something just doesn’t make sense considering the fact that it was only late afternoon in D.C. when the attack began. Obama was also scheduled for a meeting with Panetta in the Oval Office at 5:00p.m. that day as well. At some point during the attack he had to have been in the situation room…

lynncgb on October 16, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Sorry, this isn’t about accepting responsibility.

If it was, Hillary would resign in disgrace, not get lauded for showing “leadership”.

I’m surprised at your take on this one, Ed.

Barrack on October 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Obamaphones don’t ring at 3am…….

LOL like Joe Biden

PleaseFlyOver on October 16, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Obamaphones don’t ring at 3am…….

LOL like Joe Biden

PleaseFlyOver on October 16, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Joe Biden tried using an Obamaphone to call his doctor after his election lasted over 4 hrs……../

ted c on October 16, 2012 at 10:36 AM

“It’s a jaw-dropping display of a leadership vacuum, which Hillary ended up having to fill herself. This is exactly what Hillary warned voters about in 2008. The contrast between her moment of leadership in this crisis and Obama’s lack of leadership since the very beginning of it will not help Obama make the case for another four years…..”

Mr. Morrissey’s being far too kind to Mrs. Clinton. “Her moment of leadership”??? Bull! Like much of America, I watched as the military detachment ushered Ambassador Steven’s body, (and his comrades that defended him), from the airplane to the hearses. The somber music and the flagged draped coffins were quite moving, as a sorrowful nation honored these fallen heroes.

Then, Secretary of State HILLARY CLINTON, (chosen by President Barack Obama), had the unmitigated gall to blame this tragedy on a damn movie trailer that had been out for months. Now, this was a JAW-DROPPING insult to every American! (Watch the video). From that moment on, I was ashamed of what Mrs. Clinton said on that day, and further ashamed that she was not immediately admonished and corrected by the press, the pundits, and most importantly, our President. Hillary Clinton PASSED THE BUCK. She followed the very heart of the liberal ideology of blaming some one else, and then allowed Susan Rice, Jay Carney, and this liberal institution to continue this charade for two more weeks. You want to accept the blame (for four unnecessary deaths), Mrs. Clinton? Resign now, and apologize to the families of the fallen for your deceitful and blatant lies that YOU and THIS ADMINISTRATION have committed. Shame on all of you!

Rovin on October 16, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Clinton said that the “President and Vice President certainly wouldn’t be knowledgeable about specific decisions that are made by security professionals.”

This could certainly be true. The VP and president may not be aware of day to day decisions, of course…but they most certainly would have been the driving force of the policies and guidelines that those decisions needed to follow. And it was the hardcore implementation of “normalizing operations and reducing security resources” that led to four Americans being murdered.

Hillary is responsible in the sense that she seemed to have no issue with following the policies of the WH…but ultimately it is Obama’s policy that needs to be held accountable as well.

lynncgb on October 16, 2012 at 10:42 AM

If unsure, WHY take that “story” to the UN further creating hatred toward the USA and a US citizen exercising his right to free speech?

Because, with Obama, the buck stops with the American people. It’s always their fault, they’re too racist, too prejudiced, too afraid of people who aren’t like them, bitterly clinging to their guns and religion.

Remember, after all that has happened and all we’ve learned in the last month since Benghazi, the only person who has been punished and is in jail is an American civilian who exercised his 1st Amendment rights. As far as this administration is concerned, that’s the guilty party.

Socratease on October 16, 2012 at 10:44 AM

The “buck” may have stopped in the Oval office in 2008, but he sure wasn’t stopping when Shillary was pacing the West Wing.

Brings back memories, of the way we were.

FlaMurph on October 16, 2012 at 10:48 AM

KT Mc Farlamd is on Kilmeade throwing cold water on Hills preposterous assertion that the buck stops with her when it comes to security. Her comments are quite interesting about how that chain of command occurs from State to nsc to the white house. She said it is inconceivable that Hill or a high level State official did not call the White House and NSC as soon as the attack was underway.

Philly on October 16, 2012 at 10:49 AM

And what’s the downside to Hillary? None. No one is really going to hold her responsible. The DMM (Democratic Machine Media) won’t. The GOP certainly won’t (update: as predicted) and Obama can’t. She’ll be hailed as “presidential”, “the one official willing to stand up and take responsibility” and ironically enough, a “good soldier”.

Don’t forget, Hillary has seen a variation on this play work before. Remember Janet Reno taking the blame for Waco? Clinton looked weak and Reno owned him for the rest of his presidency.

workingclass artist on October 16, 2012 at 10:30 AM

I agree that Romney will easily and effectively be able to club 0-bow-mao over the head with this, but I say it’s a show of Eeyore-istic naiveté on DrewM’s part to believe that there is no downside to Hillary for this, and that the GOP won’t somehow hold it against her.

We are only in the First Act here – let’s be patient, and see what happens to Hillary over this in the near future, shall we?

Anti-Control on October 16, 2012 at 10:49 AM

“That buck stopped in the Oval Office”

But THAT was for a Republican President. But THIS is 1 The day before a crucial debate 2 For a Democratic President with whom you’ve wangled the cushy job as Secretary of State-a position you’ve determined will be your highest position (since you’ve calculated that the presidency in 2016 is too much of a long shot.)3 Therefore you have assured yourself of this continued cushy job –replete with travel and expense benefits- IF the president gets re-elected— out of gratitude for helping to save his ass. 4 If the public blames you instead of the person really responsible, Obama’s re-election becomes more certain and mission accomplished. 5 Later,one way or the other, you can write a tell-tale best seller about how magnanimous you were in sacrificing a future presidency by saving (or if Obama not re-elected, attempting to save) a cowardly creep who would rather roll with rock stars and play golf than take executive responsibility.

MaiDee on October 16, 2012 at 10:58 AM

I loath Democrat’s brazen lying.

Hilary said in this clip “…after the last seven years…” and inferred that the country lived in recession all Bush years. The fact is Bush had as many years of boom as Bill Clinton had. And the fact that Bush and team pulled that off despite Clinton’s dotcom bust and housing market starting plunge (1/4 of price in Silicon Valley) is more remarkable an accomplishment than that of BC.

Hilary was lying and is lying still. Don’t trust her.

vnohara on October 16, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Who could have predicted four years ago that electing a President with no executive experience might end up producing a chief executive that ran away from responsibility for his administration’s actions? The same woman who just took responsibility for this administration’s failures in Benghazi, as it turns out.

I hope that Benghazi will desttroy both of them. She is no smarter than he is at 3:00a.m.

Voters, wake up. Both are giving away your country.

The ME-pivot away and hand it over to the muzzies policy is an utter failure.

Asia-the-pivot-to area laughs her azz off at all of you.

Party on or wake up. Otherwise be totally destroyed becaue you’ll merit it.

Schadenfreude on October 16, 2012 at 11:09 AM

President Harry S. Truman: “the buck stops here”.

President Jackass McChoomer: “the buck stops over there”.

slickwillie2001 on October 16, 2012 at 11:12 AM

May intel and Benghazi destroy Obama/Hillary/Rice. They deserve it fully and anyone who believes otherwise is an utter fool.

It’s all in front of your eyes. Stevens was lured to Benghazi so he could be killed. Ask yourself this question “Why was he in Benghazi on 9/11?” Ask it a million times.

Schadenfreude on October 16, 2012 at 11:12 AM

This could certainly be true. The VP and president may not be aware of day to day decisions, of course…but they most certainly would have been the driving force of the policies and guidelines that those decisions needed to follow. And it was the hardcore implementation of “normalizing operations and reducing security resources” that led to four Americans being murdered.

Hillary is responsible in the sense that she seemed to have no issue with following the policies of the WH…but ultimately it is Obama’s policy that needs to be held accountable as well.

lynncgb on October 16, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Hmmm…wasn’t there a $129 million cut in embassy security and maintenance in the sequestration report of Obama’s?

Deanna on October 16, 2012 at 11:17 AM

“Why was he in Benghazi on 9/11?” Ask it a million times.

Schadenfreude on October 16, 2012 at 11:12 AM

This may or may not have something to do with it.
The NYT.

lynncgb on October 16, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Another theory: …Recent documents unearth in Benghazi tell a story of an even greater sin committed by the Obama administration than incompetence. These newly discovered documents suggest that Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi on a mission to track and confiscate weapons that the administration had put in the hands of Al Qaeda when they thought they were arming the Libyan rebels. If it was discovered that the Obama administration had armed Al Qaeda, it would have been a double whammy for the White House…

slickwillie2001 on October 16, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Goes back to the earlier question of why Stevens was there on that day in the first place. Was there less security so as not to draw attention? And why was the Turkish diplomat there?

Deanna on October 16, 2012 at 11:19 AM

This may or may not have something to do with it.
The NYT.

lynncgb on October 16, 2012 at 11:17 AM

I’m not buying that one. He was there on 9/11 with little security to discuss a hospital? Yeah right. So what did the dipolmatic meeting have to do with that? Curiouser and curiouser…

Deanna on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 AM

I’m late to the party and maybe someone else has already asked this; if she is the responsible one, why hasn’t she been fired already?

Mirimichi on October 16, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Hmmm…wasn’t there a $129 million cut in embassy security and maintenance in the sequestration report of Obama’s?

Deanna on October 16, 2012 at 11:17 AM

I’m not sure but that does sounds familiar. But I believe there was testimony at the House Oversight Committee hearing that costs did not play a role in the decision to withdraw security from Libya.

I’m not buying that one. He was there on 9/11 with little security to discuss a hospital? Yeah right. So what did the dipolmatic meeting have to do with that? Curiouser and curiouser…

Deanna on October 16, 2012 at 11:22 AM

I know….the limited info that is out there as to why Stevens was in Benghazi on Sept. 11 is frustrating. That NYT piece was the only thing I’ve even seen that gives any hint of a possible theory.

lynncgb on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 AM

I know….the limited info that is out there as to why Stevens was in Benghazi on Sept. 11 is frustrating. That NYT piece was the only thing I’ve even seen that gives any hint of a possible theory.

lynncgb on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 AM

I know I read somehwere that a Turkish diplomat left after a meeting and before the attack. I’ll try to find it.

Deanna on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 AM

It’s like the Three Stooges are in charge. Larry points at Moe, Moe pokes Curly, and Curly nyucks his way out of the room.
Meanwhile, anyone with an (R) next to their name sneezes into a tissue instead of their armpit like Big Sis commands and they’re run out of their job.
No hypocrisy or double-standard though by the media. The issues are too important, right?

smfic on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 AM

it didn’t really matter if the choomer or the hag won in 2008, the results would be about the same…and if she thinks she’s got a shot in 2016, fuhgedaboudit….

RedInMD on October 16, 2012 at 11:40 AM

I know….the limited info that is out there as to why Stevens was in Benghazi on Sept. 11 is frustrating. That NYT piece was the only thing I’ve even seen that gives any hint of a possible theory.

lynncgb on October 16, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Here it is, I knew I read that he had a meeting with diplomats. So what was it about and why in Benghazi? By the way, the info from the State Department in this article is ridiculously up and down. More cover up it seems.

Stevens arrived in Benghazi on 10 September and the next day held a series of meetings at the compound. His last visitor was a Turkish diplomat, whom he escorted to the main gate at 8.30pm local time, a state department official said. “There had been nothing unusual during the day at all outside,” the official said.http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/10/chris-stevens-libya-consulate-attack

Deanna on October 16, 2012 at 11:48 AM

I agree that Romney will easily and effectively be able to club 0-bow-mao over the head with this, but I say it’s a show of Eeyore-istic naiveté on DrewM’s part to believe that there is no downside to Hillary for this, and that the GOP won’t somehow hold it against her.

We are only in the First Act here – let’s be patient, and see what happens to Hillary over this in the near future, shall we?

Anti-Control on October 16, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Yeah…it’s only the first act of what I see as an eventual twofer.

workingclass artist on October 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM

So many questions….

Don’t know if you’ve seen this, but here’s a link from the WSJ that gives a good timeline of events. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444620104578008922056244096.html

lynncgb on October 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM

lynncgb on October 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Oops….that was for Deanna on October 16, 2012 at 11:48 AM

lynncgb on October 16, 2012 at 12:04 PM

President Obama…… what a disgrace. They lie and lie on top of the lie then they spread the lie and when questioned defend the lie.

Within hours of this attack on our embassy (one of many such attacks surrounding the anniversary of 9-11 that day and the days following, there was cell phone video showing the carnage and raving lunatics destroying the buildings and dragging bodies (not to the hospital).

Obama wasn’t even called? RIGHT… there is NO WAY that can be true! Even if you were to entertain that moronic diatribe you would also have to believe we were completely not prepared for some sort of an attack here in America as well. 9-11 kinda really big horrific event in America’s history.

At the very least, we should have had troops swarming that region within hours not a week later after spinning stupid idiotic claims of protests over a No budget obscure video no one in that region even had access to. Over and over again they looped that lie…. Over and Over again they made excuses for these Islamic Jihad warriors. Of course Obama spiking the ball over and again at the DNC convention… Osama died GM Lives! Child-Man poking a finger in the crazy peoples eye had nothing to do with instigating this or any of the attacks!

Incompetent or complacent? Obama was too busy to listen or act like a responsible adult in the room let alone behave as the President Of the United States of America……President Obama: Off to a fund raiser, conversation goes somewhat like this: “Call me if you need something… uh, strike that.. Just let me know what YOU’VE decided after the fact, we’ll just spin a new tale anyway”.

All the flack President Bush still gets over where he was when the planes hit the towers! Is this President, Barack Husein Obama EVER present or responsible for anything… EVER? YES… he is responsible for ALL this and so much more… It is part of the job!

ActinUpinTexas on October 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM

no one irons a mans shirts like Saint Hillary…..

Hey Hillary get me some coffee ya wench.

PappyD61 on October 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Rush is dismantling Madame Secretary’s legaleze this morning

workingclass artist on October 16, 2012 at 12:12 PM

no one irons a mans shirts like Saint Hillary…..

Hey Hillary get me some coffee ya wench.

PappyD61 on October 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Heh…but she almost ‘broke’ that glass ceiling :)…the new feminism: ‘make the skirts ampler so that weak men can hide under’ :)..

jimver on October 16, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Don’t know if you’ve seen this, but here’s a link from the WSJ that gives a good timeline of events. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444620104578008922056244096.html

lynncgb on October 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Thanks. That whole meeting with a Turkish diplomat thing has bothered me. Why did they meet? And why in Benghazi? May be nothing, but it’s still odd.

Deanna on October 16, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Deanna on October 16, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Agreed! What was the Turkish diplomat doing in Benghazi and was this the reason that Stevens was there?

d1carter on October 16, 2012 at 12:55 PM

The Obama adminstration assumed it could massage the perception of reality through its tame media outlets to make the recent attacks seem to be driven by American bigotry, instead of the adminstration’s inept policies and security. Because of the alternative media, and for no other reason, this effort failed, and the “news” we are being fed is really just all the perps tuning up their alibis.

Two obvious points that are nonetheless distrubing:

1. The Obama adminstration is not only willing to throw underlings under the bus to cover its tracks, it is willing to throw America under the bus.

2. The media, claiming to protect Americans from corrupt and inept politicians, is actually in collusion with them to mislead us. The alternate media and the few conservative voices in the mainstream media are the only defence we have against this unholy alliance… until November 6.

drunyan8315 on October 16, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Uhhh yerp, it’s WOXOF at foggy bottom.

jake49 on October 16, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Deanna on October 16, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Agreed! What was the Turkish diplomat doing in Benghazi and was this the reason that Stevens was there?

d1carter on October 16, 2012 at 12:55 PM

The only thing I remember reading on the matter was that it would have been Hillary’s decisions as to who the Ambassador needs to meet with and when and where. Meaning, none of these things are left for the Ambassador to decide. Is that true?

lynncgb on October 16, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Unless Hillary resigns, her words are mere dust in the wind.

Meh!

herm2416 on October 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Yep. She toke responsibility when she was forced to. Her 1st inclination was to skirt responsibility.

The Clinton’s are as weasley as they come. They get love here from some posters on HA- Why? I don’t know. If you are over 40 and you like the Clintolns then you are recent to politics. The CLintolns are the definition of lying sleazy politicians.

BoxHead1 on October 16, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Susan Rice just threw Intel under the bus for her false talking points. LOL. Was she in a bubble for a week? Someone forced her to lie at gunpoint? This administration is pathetic. They are so inept at lying and blame shifting that a pack of preschoolers wouldnt buy their BS excuses. This gets worse by the hour. Shame.

Philly on October 16, 2012 at 1:48 PM

What does it mean to “take responsibility” if there are no consequences? Is she going to resign? Is she going to take ambassador Stevens place in the grave? Is she going to take the place of any of the dead in their graves? Is she going to give her money to all their families for a period of time they would have been expected to live, to make up for the loss of income to those families? Is she going to take the place of them in bed, at home, at events, at outings??

What does this mean to “take responsibility”??

So far all I hear is words, all I see is nothing. What does it mean??

KMC1 on October 16, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Heard it put well on 1210 today by Stigall.

When a football coach presides over a losing team, the coach is the one who gets fired (unless it’s the Eagles, natch).

When a team loses, the coach is the one who goes before the media an accepts responsibility.

A coach of a losing team doesn’t come out and say, “hey, it was the defensive line coach who muddled up the game plan, and even he said so, so don’t blame me.”

That’s not how being the leader works.

Good Lt on October 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Coaches fires assistants and coordinators all the time to take the heat off themselves. See Andy Reid, Mike Shanahan, and Norv Turner for example.

Spliff Menendez on October 16, 2012 at 4:33 PM

The Democrats thought process seems to starts with lies (then) re-lies (then) public poles (then) the spin (then) the miss-direct.

Hillary Clinton took the blame for the security problems only. It is her’s to bear. She is more then just the spokes person for the State Department. She is the head of the State Department and as such is responsible for it’s administrative operation either directly or through the subordinates she directly supervise.

She did not except fault for the spins, lies and relies and miss-directs fostered by the Presidents office. That is for Obama and only Obama to bear.

This he does not, can not, and will not do.

jpcpt03 on October 16, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Taking responsibility without taking the consequences is not taking responsibility. How ironic her husband dumped responsibility on Janet Reno and Obama dumped it on her. You won’t find two more classless losers than bill Clinton and Obama.

jaywemm on October 17, 2012 at 8:56 AM

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