New Romney ad features laughing Biden while Ryan talks fiscal discipline

posted at 2:01 pm on October 14, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

How did the two campaigns see the Vice Presidential debate on Thursday?  Team Romney doesn’t seem to be feeling too defensive about Paul Ryan’s performance — and apparently want voters to see Joe Biden’s.  Their new ad shows Ryan explaining that the country needs the fiscal discipline that the Obama administration lacks, while Biden throws rhetorical discipline (and manners) to the wind:

We can’t keep spending and borrowing like this. We can’t just keep spending money we don’t have. Look did they come in and inherit a tough situation? Absolutely. But we’re going in the wrong direction! Look at where we are. The economy is barely limping along.

Don’t raise taxes on small businesses, because they’re our job creators.

Leaders run to problems to fix problems. Mitt Romney is uniquely qualified to fix these problems.

So, what kind of ads are Team Obama running after the debate?

Apparently, they still don’t have a message that doesn’t include puppets and misdirection.  And this isn’t the only moment from the debate where Team Romney can go after Biden. He laughed his way through a conversation on Iranian nuclear weapons, which even creeped out Tom Brokaw.  Don’t be surprised to see that in an ad soon.

Here’s another measure of how the two campaigns saw the VP debate.  Mitt Romney’s on the stump in Ohio, campaigning hard in the last three weeks before the election.  Obama, however, is in seclusion, trying to figure out how to fix his debate debacles:

“In times like this, what is [President Obama] talking about? Saving Big Bird,” the Republican presidential candidate told cheering supporters in Portsmouth, Ohio. “As I look around … his campaign is about smaller and smaller things. And our campaign is about bigger and bigger crowds fighting for a brighter future.”

While Mr. Obama was off the campaign trail Saturday working on preparation for Tuesday’s debate, the Rebublican ticket was busy criss-crossing swing-state Ohio on Saturday, with vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan leading a rally in Youngstown and Mr. Romney holding the event in Portsmouth and another in Lebanon.

Mr. Romney has been drawing huge crowds since last week’s debate with Mr. Obama – a debate that even the president’s supporters acknowledged did not go well for the incumbent. On Wednesday the former Massachusetts governor drew almost 10,000 supporters to an event in Sidney, Ohio, that officials originally thought would draw a crowd of about a thousand.

That speaks volumes about the confidence level of both campaigns after the first two debates.

Update: Here’s a brief snapshot of the impact of the VP debate by SurveyUSA in Tampa, Florida.  They asked 704 general-population adults — a sample type normally more disposed toward Democrats (D/R/I in this case is 35/37/28, almost exactly the same as the 2010 midterms for the state) — about their impresssions of the debate.    Ryan edged Biden as the winner, 42/38, but that’s not the biggest takeaway:

13% say they changed which candidate for President they support as a result of the debate. Of those who tell SurveyUSA they changed their mind:

44% switched from the Obama ticket to the Romney ticket.
29% switched from undecided to the Romney ticket.
A total of 73% switched to the Romney ticket.

18% switched from the Romney ticket to the Obama ticket.
6% switched from undecided to the Obama ticket.
A total of 24% switched to the Obama ticket.

That’s not a huge sample, obviously, but 13% is around the level of undecided/soft voters nationally.  And in Tampa at least, they seem to be breaking hard toward the GOP.


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This lacked any type of “umph” to me.

skeedro on October 14, 2012 at 2:06 PM

The left and the msm wanted Biden to energize the left, he did. Too bad it takes more then 35% of the country win an election.

rob verdi on October 14, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Spot on.

minnesoter on October 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Why do I have this sickening feeling that Romney won’t go for the throat in the next debate but instead retreat to Mr. Caution, pour water on all his momentum and enthusiasm, and let Obama back up off the mat?

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Obama, however, is in seclusion, trying to figure out how to fix his debate debacles:

Oh, come on. He’s at a golf resort in VA. We know very well what he’s doing.

Wethal on October 14, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Thought it was a great, simple ad.

ChicagoJewishGuy on October 14, 2012 at 2:19 PM

So, I have read that obama is taking 4 days for “cramming” for the next debate. I have 2 problems with this: 1) He has been the president for 4 years, how much cramming does he actually need? and 2) This debate is in a town hall format so questions will be coming from the audience. How does he cram for that situation, UNLESS he’s being fed the questions.
I put nothing past this putz.

skeedro on October 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM

That survey usa ad called me. I said i was a black female obama voter who thought ryan won and changed my vote from obama to romney. :)

lorien1973 on October 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Maybe he thinks he can just step back a little bit and let Obama fall over himself acting like the aggressor.

This is what did Gore in. The constant shifting of his behavior and performance from debate to debate. Romney will maintain his steady but shrewd debate performance.

nitzsche on October 14, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Why do I have this sickening feeling that Romney won’t go for the throat in the next debate but instead retreat to Mr. Caution, pour water on all his momentum and enthusiasm, and let Obama back up off the mat?

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Maybe because you’ve always underestimated Romney.

And WTF with “going for the throat” at a Townhall? That’s not even possible as this isn’t a debate between the 2 candidates, it’s answering questions from the audience. As long as Romney relates what Obama’s record actually is, he’ll do what needs to be done.

Also, there is a difference between being assertive (Romney at first debate) and being aggressive (Biden at VP debate). People really need to start understanding that — one’s good, one’s bad.

Dark Star on October 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-if-people-read-transcript-theyll-think-i-won-last-debate/article/2510639?custom_click=rss#.UHrcIoX2Ez4

President Obama told a Miami radio host yesterday that he never thought, during last week’s presidential debate, that Mitt Romney got the better of him.

“That’s not actually how I thought about it,” Obama said on the Michael YO! Show when asked if there was a moment when he knew he was losing last week. “I do think that on television it was clear that I was being too restrained when Mr. Romney was telling his tall tales. But the truth is, when you read the transcript, everything I said was true and a lot of what he said was not.”

He still doesn’t think that HE IS THE PROBLEM.

Wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall during his debate prep.

Lord help us.

PappyD61 on October 14, 2012 at 2:30 PM

It’s very telling that one side is at this point pulling ads straight from the debates, while the other runs with big bird.

MTeague on October 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Romney will maintain his steady but shrewd debate performance.

nitzsche on October 14, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Romney is a very smart man who has fought his share of brutal boardroom battles to convince skeptical shareholders that his plan is the right one. He’ll do just fine in the upcoming debates.

SWalker on October 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM

skeedro on October 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM

I was wondering that too, why would you have to cram 4 days if you’re the one who has been in charge over the last 4 years, haven’t you been paying attention? Apparently not. I seem to recall Mr. President having not only a look of complete boredom and disdain during his last debate, he did his share of smirking as well. Maybe he’ll start laughing like a mad man too, that seems to win points on the left.

scalleywag on October 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM

That survey usa ad called me. I said i was a black female obama voter who thought ryan won and changed my vote from obama to romney. :)

lorien1973 on October 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM

I had a survey call a few days ago and told them I was a black female in the 35-54 age bracket who was voting Obama and thought Barry’s policies were hugely beneficial to the economy.

How’s it going, sister?

lol

Dack Thrombosis on October 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM

So how does one exactly be aggressive in a townhall debate? Is he going to interrupt the voter asking the question or is he not going to let Romney answer?

gophergirl on October 14, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Why do I have this sickening feeling that ***Romney won’t go for the throat in the next debate but instead retreat to Mr. Caution, pour water on all his momentum and enthusiasm, and let Obama back up off the mat?

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM

***maybe because that’s exactly what could happen.

PappyD61 on October 14, 2012 at 2:33 PM

“In times like this, what is [President Obama] talking about? Saving Big Bird.”

Shoot. He can’t save Barack Obama.

J_Crater on October 14, 2012 at 2:33 PM

From The Hill: Axelrod: Expect more ‘aggressive’ Obama in debate on Tuesday

Heh, kind of like their campaign– we didn’t get it done in four years, trust us to do it right the next term.

socalcon on October 14, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Lord help us.

PappyD61 on October 14, 2012 at 2:30 PM

More importantly his ego still won’t allow him to accept that he lost the debate. Narcissistic Personality Disorder on display big time.

SWalker on October 14, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Why do I have this sickening feeling that Romney won’t go for the throat in the next debate but instead retreat to Mr. Caution, pour water on all his momentum and enthusiasm, and let Obama back up off the mat?

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Because you are an eeyore?

VegasRick on October 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Why do I have this sickening feeling that Romney won’t go for the throat in the next debate but instead retreat to Mr. Caution, pour water on all his momentum and enthusiasm, and let Obama back up off the mat?

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Not going to happen. He’s come too far. He can get his point across and reaffirm to the folks that he knows how to create jobs and that it’s immoral to spend more than we take in, just like he’s been doing for months, without looking foolish, and he’s not going to say “uh” 6000 times in one night.

scalleywag on October 14, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Just tell the truth, Mitt. Let Obama b.s. Americans recognized his b.s. in the first debate. They’ll recgonize it in this Townhall, too.

kingsjester on October 14, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Ugh…….

New Rasmussen Reports polling shows Romney up by four in Florida, up three in North Carolina and up two in Virginia. President Obama is still up by one in Ohio. Currently, the president has a 237-181 edge in the Rasmussen Reports Electoral College projections.

However, 10 states with 120 Electoral Votes remain in the Toss-Up category and are likely to decide the election.

The traditionally Democratic states of Pennsylvania, Connecticut and Michigan continue to favor the president. However, the race is tied in New Hampshire and Nevada. Obama is up two in Wisconsin and Iowa. The president has a one-point edge in Colorado.

Democrat Elizabeth Warren has inched ahead of Republican incumbent Scott Brown in Massachusetts. Democrats also remain ahead in the Senate races in Wisconsin, New Mexico and Pennsylvania. In the Senate Balance of Power rankings, Democrats have the edge 49-45 with six states as toss-ups.

PappyD61 on October 14, 2012 at 2:37 PM

That survey usa ad called me. I said i was a black female obama voter who thought ryan won and changed my vote from obama to romney. :)

lorien1973 on October 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM

So did you hit you right after? ;)

Patrick S on October 14, 2012 at 2:38 PM

This debate is in a town hall format so questions will be coming from the audience. How does he cram for that situation, UNLESS he’s being fed the questions.
I put nothing past this putz.

skeedro on October 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM

It’s not like the one can’t predict what kinds of questions the candidates will be asked. I hope that Mitt Romney’s staff has thought of a hundred sample questions that Mitt could be asked and that he has an answer to every one of them.

J.S.K. on October 14, 2012 at 2:38 PM

So, I have read that obama is taking 4 days for “cramming” for the next debate. I have 2 problems with this: 1) He has been the president for 4 years, how much cramming does he actually need? and 2) This debate is in a town hall format so questions will be coming from the audience. How does he cram for that situation, UNLESS he’s being fed the questions.
I put nothing past this putz.

skeedro on October 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM

…ding ding ding ding ding!

KOOLAID2 on October 14, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Why do I have this sickening feeling that Romney won’t go for the throat in the next debate but instead retreat to Mr. Caution, pour water on all his momentum and enthusiasm, and let Obama back up off the mat?

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM

And how could we possibly answer this question, I hope it’s rhetorical :)….

jimver on October 14, 2012 at 2:38 PM

What say you, troll/sock puppets?

Midas on October 14, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Gotta love the biased polling.

IBD/TIPP Polling just went +1 Obama.

Only problem is the sample is +7 Dem with Romney +9 Independents.

Amazing when you can win 1/3 of the electorate by 9 points but still lose the poll. I notice IBD has turned off comments on their poll because I’m sure they don’t want people screaming at their silly sample.

Turnout is NOT going to be +7 Dem.

mitchellvii on October 14, 2012 at 2:39 PM

In that IBD Poll, Romney is winning Republicans by more than Obama is winning Democrats, PLUS he carries Independents by 9 points and STILL, STILL Obama wins the poll.

BS.

mitchellvii on October 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Also, there is a difference between being assertive (Romney at first debate) and being aggressive (Biden at VP debate). People really need to start understanding that — one’s good, one’s bad.

Dark Star on October 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Really? There’s a difference? Thanks so much for the semantic clarification.

I never said anything about acting like Biden.

You don’t think Obama and the media (in whatever form the “moderation” of this “townhall” takes) will be going for Romney’s throat? You don’t think Romney was going for Obama’s last debate?

Do it with as much style and subtlety as the occasion warrants, but ALWAYS go for the throat. Because they’re always going for yours.

I don’t underestimate Romney. I’m just aware of who he is. He didn’t have to deal with a hostile media in the Lehrer debate. He will in the next two.

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Turnout is NOT going to be +7 Dem.

mitchellvii on October 14, 2012 at 2:39 PM

I can’t tell if they really believe that’ll be the turnout because of ’08, if that’s just who answered and they left it as is, or if there’s something more nefarious at work. Based on everything we’ve seen, a sample like that is wishful thinking.

changer1701 on October 14, 2012 at 2:44 PM

It’s not like the one can’t predict what kinds of questions the candidates will be asked. I hope that Mitt Romney’s staff has thought of a hundred sample questions that Mitt could be asked and that he has an answer to every one of them.

J.S.K. on October 14, 2012 at 2:38 PM

I think you give him way too much credit. He came to the first debate totally unprepared for what was a one on one conversation. You now think he is intelligent enough to prepare for questions from a hat. Me thinks not. Something stinks in obamaville for him to take 4 days to prepare for a town hall debate.

skeedro on October 14, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Rasmussen, Fox, Pew, Gallup and Monmouth all have Romney up on RCP.

CW on October 14, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Because you are an eeyore?

VegasRick on October 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Maybe. But remember, these are the Republicans we’re talking about.

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Last night was the first time I saw the infamous Big Bird ad. I had SNL on and wasn’t really paying attention to the TV. It came on and I was sure it was one of their lame attempts at a skit. I had to rewind and watch it 3 times to convince myself that it was real. I can’t believe they spent money on that P.O.S. ad. Keep it up Team O!

Nikkia2112 on October 14, 2012 at 2:48 PM

On the IBD poll they have had 37 Dem / 30 Rep for a week now so they obviously are weighting it that way on purpose. Not random.

mitchellvii on October 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Maybe. But remember, these are the Republicans we’re talking about.

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 2:47 PM

I get your point but Romney did not become a hugely successful business man by being meek and mild mannered. He has his businessman Romney turned on to full throtle.

VegasRick on October 14, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Awesome.

ConservativeLA on October 14, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Obama’s problem is that he is 45.9 on RCP average and that includes a bunch of polls oversampling Democrats.

mitchellvii on October 14, 2012 at 2:52 PM

The Truth leaks out, Anthropogenic Global Warming nothing but fraud and hoax.

SWalker on October 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM

In other news it was revealed that the obambi magic was a total fraud and hoax.

VegasRick on October 14, 2012 at 2:54 PM

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 2:43 PM

The fact that you think the difference between aggressive & assertive is semantics proves you don’t know the difference.

Dark Star on October 14, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Like blaming the video for the Libya terrorist attack, Obama has bounced back to this line today:

(Paul Ryan) admitting there was a $5 trillion tax cut, after he (Romney) denied it, but again failing to explain how they would pay for it,

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/14/obama-camp-tips-hand-hints-president-will-attack-romney-on-bain/#ixzz29IiqMGdv

I thought they finally got Stephanie Cutter on the record saying it wasn’t 5 Trillion dollars and that made up story was finished, but no, is this lying or obduracy?

Fleuries on October 14, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Just got in here, has the cartoon character shat on the thread yet?

D-fusit on October 14, 2012 at 2:58 PM

“Gotta love the biased polling.

IBD/TIPP Polling just went +1 Obama.

Only problem is the sample is +7 Dem with Romney +9 Independents.”

IBD/TIPP was very accurate in 08. Their partisan sample will be adjusted soon, imo.

If you have a D +3-4 split, which is where it will end up, the poll is in line with Ras and Gallup.

gumbyandpokey on October 14, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Spoke too soon.

D-fusit on October 14, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Plus, Obama in seclusion with three weeks left?

Because prepping for defeat requires effort. (Maybe Obama’s making remodel arrangements at the Hawaii house?)

Rovin on October 14, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Just got in here, has the cartoon character shat on the thread yet?

D-fusit on October 14, 2012 at 2:58

Beetlejuice.

VegasRick on October 14, 2012 at 3:03 PM

I don’t underestimate Romney. I’m just aware of who he is. He didn’t have to deal with a hostile media in the Lehrer debate. He will in the next two.

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 2:43 PM

I suspect that he is fully aware of that, don’t you think? :). Yet there may be a whole set of other factors, apart from a good preparation by means of learning the answers to a whole set of anticipated questions that he thinks about in advance. First off, am not sure I understand this whole townhall format, I didn’t see the similar debate four years ago, maybe you did and can help me uderstand this. Are they still going to be at each’s throats on issues, or they are supposed to just answer the questions from the audience, by addressing the particular audience member. I find this to be an idiotic format, since it’s nothing more different than the monologuing they do as candidates on their respective campaign trails, not to mention awfully boring. An audience member asks a question and they go blah, blah, blah same ole, their campaign speech shticks all over again…what do we stand to gain from this kind of monologuing? That’s what I don’t get it. It’s not like the audience members would come up with a never asked before question, besides we know already that they will throw softballs at 0 and ask Romney about his taxes. Duh, knock me over with a feather. Also, what’s the role of moderator in this type of debates, just steering the audience’s questions, will the moderator throw questions at them herself?? am not getting how exactly they will interact with each other in this format. Also, how do you ensure the audience is not stacked against romney, it’s not like they are checking their registration voter status to make sure it’s even or balanced. Even then, beware of the faux registerd ‘republicans’ (for shennanigan purposes). the dems play dirty when they are handed in the opportunity to. Aso, how do we know that the ‘audience’ are legit people, as in authentic and not plants. I really think the format is weird if not donwright idiotic.

jimver on October 14, 2012 at 3:07 PM

I get your point but Romney did not become a hugely successful business man by being meek and mild mannered. He has his businessman Romney turned on to full throtle.

VegasRick on October 14, 2012 at 2:52 PM

I certainly hope you’re right.

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 3:14 PM

As wise King Solomon said…

Shy Guy on October 14, 2012 at 3:16 PM

It came on and I was sure it was one of their lame attempts at a skit. I had to rewind and watch it 3 times to convince myself that it was real. I can’t believe they spent money on that P.O.S. ad. Keep it up Team O!

Nikkia2112 on October 14, 2012 at 2:48 PM

..when the economy has been in the crapper since the June 2009 “recovery” and the regime’s foreign policy just took the stall next to to it, then hitting on Romney’s Big Bird “gaffe” is the only gun Obama has left to shoot..

..and it’s only a .22 short.

(Jeeee-zus! I gotta stop mangling these metaphors!)

The War Planner on October 14, 2012 at 3:16 PM

I suspect that he is fully aware of that, don’t you think? :).
jimver on October 14, 2012 at 3:07 PM

I’d like to think so. But I also have a lifetime of memories of republican deference, haplessness and cloven tongues in the face of an adversarial media.

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

As wise King Solomon said…

Shy Guy on October 14, 2012 at 3:16 PM

..I think The Bard also had Macbeth utter something appropriate when his wife croaked:

“Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing.

— Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5, lines 17-28)

The War Planner on October 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

snl didn’t even come close to the psychotic, risus sardonicus pasted on the skull of joe biden.

renalin on October 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 14, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Look what garbage has shown up. It’s interesting how you only comment on polls that have Romney down.

wargamer6 on October 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

I liked the ad…

… It give Team Romney a chance to speak without being interupted, and it also reminds everyone what a horse’s a%% Biden is.

More please…

Seven Percent Solution on October 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Why do I have this sickening feeling that Romney won’t go for the throat in the next debate but instead retreat to Mr. Caution, pour water on all his momentum and enthusiasm, and let Obama back up off the mat?

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM

I could tell you why you think like that…but it would be rude of me. So let’s just leave at you’re wrong. Romney will continue to win these debates. The most I’ll say is that the next one won’t be the total beatdown that the last one was but it will be a Romney win. And then all that’ll be left if a foreign policy debate, which should be a nightmare for Obama.

cicerone on October 14, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Here’s hoping that Obama be himself, totally, on Tuesday, the live self, not the ‘corpse’ which showed up last time.

Schadenfreude on October 14, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Y’all all can tell Gumby is spinning like a top …

GALLUP

RASMUSSEN

PEW

ALL have Romney ahead.

CW on October 14, 2012 at 3:24 PM

snl didn’t even come close to the psychotic, risus sardonicus pasted on the skull of joe biden.

renalin on October 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

That’s because I suspect you have to be a genuine psycho to pull off that laughter :), an actor/impersonator couldn’t possibly capture the full spectrum of that sort sort of mental affliction :)…

jimver on October 14, 2012 at 3:25 PM

What happened to the ATOMIC BOMB??

CW on October 14, 2012 at 3:26 PM

I don’t underestimate Romney. I’m just aware of who he is. He didn’t have to deal with a hostile media in the Lehrer debate. He will in the next two.

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 2:43 PM

As a matter of fact, that’s exactly what you did. Don’t project your own fears onto Romney. You work out your own issues. He’ll be just fine.

cicerone on October 14, 2012 at 3:26 PM

I’d like to think so. But I also have a lifetime of memories of republican deference, haplessness and cloven tongues in the face of an adversarial media.

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

I think Romney is a little different this time because saving this country is in his heart. Not just winning an election but saving this country.

VegasRick on October 14, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Look what garbage has shown up. It’s interesting how you only comment on polls that have Romney down.
wargamer6 on October 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Plus 100.

Weird how it forgets that Rasmussen has Romney up ..but he only points out when they have them down.

CW on October 14, 2012 at 3:28 PM

They need one of ONLY Joe smiling, mugging, smirking, sneering, giggling, and hamming it up.

With the title:

HOW JOE BIDEN ‘DEBATES’

Then “Romney-Ryan 2012“.

And Mitt saying : “This is Mitt Romney and I dis-approve of his message

profitsbeard on October 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Hey Team Romney…


“Administration Welcomed Wolves Into The Sheepfold”

Seven Percent Solution on October 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Y’all all can tell Gumby is spinning like a top …

GALLUP

RASMUSSEN

PEW

ALL have Romney ahead.

CW on October 14, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Yes. It is a real relief to see less from G&P.

What concerns me is that the swing states are still showing Obama on top, barely, but on top. I don’t know how to remedy that.

earlgrey133 on October 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Also, there is a difference between being assertive (Romney at first debate) and being aggressive (Biden at VP debate). People really need to start understanding that — one’s good, one’s bad.

Dark Star on October 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Very good point.

Cleombrotus on October 14, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Maybe Jobs could have helped the President frame Ryan as a “punk kid know it all”.

Jobs, who was known for his prickly, stubborn personality, almost missed meeting President Obama in the fall of 2010 because he insisted that the president personally ask him for a meeting. Though his wife told him that Obama “was really psyched to meet with you,” Jobs insisted on the personal invitation, and the standoff lasted for five days. When he finally relented and they met at the Westin San Francisco Airport, Jobs was characteristically blunt. He seemed to have transformed from a liberal into a conservative.

You’re headed for a one-term presidency,” he told Obama at the start of their meeting, insisting that the administration needed to be more business-friendly. As an example, Jobs described the ease with which companies can build factories in China compared to the United States, where “regulations and unnecessary costs” make it difficult for them.

Jobs also criticized America’s education system, saying it was “crippled by union work rules,” noted Isaacson. “Until the teachers’ unions were broken, there was almost no hope for education reform.” Jobs proposed allowing principals to hire and fire teachers based on merit, that schools stay open until 6 p.m. and that they be open 11 months a year.

***those polls?

Live by them, die by them. Fact is if Romney doesn’t keep it up Obama will be “the comeback kid” and will win. If Romney handles it well it could be a pssssssstttt “blowout”.

PappyD61 on October 14, 2012 at 3:30 PM

I can’t shake this impression of the two debates.

In the first we saw the experienced wise father pitted against the sullen, angry son who sees nothing wise nor particularly helpful about the wisdom of his father. But the father is patient and will just keep teaching the lessons.

In the second, I saw a “father” out of control, drunk even, who embarrasses the family. And a “son” trying to make the best of what he knows is a bad situation, taking care of others, trying to make up for the mistakes his dad is clearly making, dishonoring the family.

Something tells me in the next one we’re going to see the belligerent son who is absolutely out of control, angry, and aggressive. The question is… which father archetype is going to show up on the other side of the stage?

UnderstandingisPower on October 14, 2012 at 3:31 PM

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

take your insecurities elsewhere and go suck your thumb so u can sthu.

gracie on October 14, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Spot on.

minnesoter on October 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM

When I first read this, I thought you had typed “Spit on”. I honestly thought that Sheriff Joe was going to spit on Paul Ryan in the debate.

SouthernGent on October 14, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Romney should wear a Big Bird tie for the next debate. Let’s see how mr messiah reacts to that!

Wine_N_Dine on October 14, 2012 at 3:33 PM

which father archetype is going to show up on the other side of the stage?

Mitt has had lots of practice with 5 sons. Don’t worry about it. Mitt will do what works to gain control.

gracie on October 14, 2012 at 3:33 PM

cicerone on October 14, 2012 at 3:26 PM

My “issues”, as I indicated, are a lifetime of memories of republicans failing to enunciate and defend their principles on the face of a hostile and corrupt media or to summon the nerve even to identify and call out this media (with rare exceptions, such as Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin and a few others over the years). And I can’t remember any previous effort by Mitt Romney along these lines. Can you? I’ll be delighted to learn or discover differently. But feel free to personalize it, since we’re such old acquaintances.

rrpjr on October 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Romney should wear a Big Bird tie for the next debate. Let’s see how mr messiah reacts to that!

Wine_N_Dine on October 14, 2012 at 3:33 PM

ROTFLMAO… Obama would come totally unglued and be unable to make a coherent statement.

SWalker on October 14, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Just got in here, has the cartoon character shat on the thread yet?

D-fusit on October 14, 2012 at 2:58 PM

“Gotta love the biased polling.

IBD/TIPP Polling just went +1 Obama.

Only problem is the sample is +7 Dem with Romney +9 Independents.”

IBD/TIPP was very accurate in 08. Their partisan sample will be adjusted soon, imo.

If you have a D +3-4 split, which is where it will end up, the poll is in line with Ras and Gallup.

gumbyandpokey on October 14, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Spoke too soon.

D-fusit on October 14, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Too funny

Cleombrotus on October 14, 2012 at 3:37 PM

What concerns me is that the swing states are still showing Obama on top, barely, but on top. I don’t know how to remedy that.

mitt will win some of them: CO, NV, NH for sure…but not all. Mitt needs Ohio because he can’t turn them all….unless by a miracle he takes PA. Not to worry. Ohio will in Mitt’s win column by 2.

gracie on October 14, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Something tells me in the next one we’re going to see the belligerent son who is absolutely out of control, angry, and aggressive. The question is… which father archetype is going to show up on the other side of the stage?

UnderstandingisPower on October 14, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Hopefully the ‘unloving father’ archetype :)…

jimver on October 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Obama-Biden: The only candidates with enough courage to SAVE BIG BIRD. (Libyan Consular employees and Ambassadors, not so much . . .)

BigAlSouth on October 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Too funny

Cleombrotus on October 14, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Almost like it was waiting for a mention.

I laughed my head off.

D-fusit on October 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM

D-fusit on October 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM

You can’t make this stuff up. Ha!

Cleombrotus on October 14, 2012 at 3:44 PM

One big strategic miscalculation by the Obama campaign during the VP debate was, they went overboard threw out all their possible attacks and counterattacks that night. They overplayed their hand.

Basically, it has given Romney the chance to prepare for those attacks. Now he will have time to plan effective responses, rendering them ineffective if Obama uses the same attacks again. It could end up being a fatal mistake.

tkyang99 on October 14, 2012 at 3:49 PM

In case anyone has forgotten…


“Clint Eastwood called out Biden”

Seven Percent Solution on October 14, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Joe Biden: The Ugly American Bully

Putting aside the substance, Joe Biden went for the ad hominem again. As Krauthammer said, Biden must have watched Jack Nickol son’s maniacal grin in The Shining as debate prep.

Is this how the Vice-President of the United States comports himself with world leaders? With Netanyahu, Merkel, Sarkozy (now Hollande), or Putin? How about Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, Asad, or Nouri al-Maliki?

Biden is a genius at foreign policy. If you don’t think so, just ask him.

Biden wanted to divide Iraq into three nations. I can understand his reason to reverse the way Britain set up the Middle East, but this was the idea to nowhere.

Biden advised Obama not to go after Osama because of the political liability to Obama should something go wrong.

Biden was against the war in Iraq, then he was for it, and now he is against it again. I think. It’s hard to keep up with one with such a fluid mind.

billrowe on October 14, 2012 at 3:58 PM

In case anyone has forgotten…

“Clint Eastwood called out Biden”

Seven Percent Solution on October 14, 2012 at 3:56 PM

I didn’t click on your link, but funnily enough I remember now he said something like ‘a grin behind.a body’ or something like that about Biden :), how prescient of him in the light of the latest debate :)…and I think e also called him the intellectual giant of the dem party or something :).

jimver on October 14, 2012 at 4:06 PM

ATTENTION! ATTENTION ALL EEYORES!!!!

Presidential campaigns are complex undertakings addressing a wide variety of factors beyond YOUR concerns of the moment.

While you are full of doubts and uncertainties please rest assured if there is something you are worrying about on a public blog …

… the current technology employed by the campaigns has captured it, compared it to concerns previously expressed and, if unique, flagged it to the attention of an actual human being.

At the same time, complex models of demographics, previous voting patterns, current economic & political conditions at local levels are being factored into ad design and placement purchasing.

On a completely different level, a team of persoonel is working on “modeling the townhall” with respect to questions, demographics and other data relevant to the upcoming event to insure the best possible result

All of the above does not cover 1/100th of the actual efforts being put forth on a 7 day a week basis now through election night (and beyond, if necessary).

“Do not take counsel of your fears.”

(attributed to Stonewall Jackson, George Patton and others)

… is good advice but let’s modernize it, shall we?

Chill the Fluke OUT !!! … or change your Depends, get back in your crib with your blankie, and suck on your thumb for the next 23 days.

Ok? … OK.

PolAgnostic on October 14, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Ehh, the Romney campaign is still running weak ads for the most part, but this is certainly an improvement because of Biden’s ridiculous behavior. The best ad they have is of Romney himself talking at the first debate.

The RNC ad juxtaposing Ryan and Biden is much better because it doesn’t cut away as much, you can plainly see Biden laughing during every major issue from Libya, to Iran, to jobs.

Daemonocracy on October 14, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Actually just had coffee with a very liberal friend who clerks for the House in DC and he thought Biden’s antics were “off the wall” and unneeded and said his buddies thought the same clearly feeling it was staged. So if that is coming from him, we are in a good spot regarding the VP debate.

hillsoftx on October 14, 2012 at 5:05 PM

18% switched from the Romney ticket to the Obama ticket.

You can identify these people because they are the ones shooting at other people in traffic, trashing convenience stores with 50 of thier closest friends and sucker punching total strangers.

peacenprosperity on October 14, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Ugh…….

New Rasmussen Reports polling shows Romney up by four in Florida, up three in North Carolina and up two in Virginia. President Obama is still up by one in Ohio. Currently, the president has a 237-181 edge in the Rasmussen Reports Electoral College projections.

However, 10 states with 120 Electoral Votes remain in the Toss-Up category and are likely to decide the election.

The traditionally Democratic states of Pennsylvania, Connecticut and Michigan continue to favor the president. However, the race is tied in New Hampshire and Nevada. Obama is up two in Wisconsin and Iowa. The president has a one-point edge in Colorado.

Democrat Elizabeth Warren has inched ahead of Republican incumbent Scott Brown in Massachusetts. Democrats also remain ahead in the Senate races in Wisconsin, New Mexico and Pennsylvania. In the Senate Balance of Power rankings, Democrats have the edge 49-45 with six states as toss-ups.

PappyD61 on October 14, 2012 at 2:37 PM

And? So?

Did you not read the comments posted before yours where both lorien and Dack lie to pollsters? We know this happens – just nice to get a laugh out of some anecdotes. We also know that they usually have idiot internals.

Add into that the LSM desperately trying to spin.

I ask again. So? And? What’s your point?

kim roy on October 14, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Excellent ad. Takes an apparent loss to the rude, utterly phony Biden, and turns it on its head. I hope it’s played far and wide.

MrLynn on October 14, 2012 at 5:33 PM

However, the race is tied in New Hampshire and Nevada.

Democrat Elizabeth Warren has inched ahead of Republican incumbent Scott Brown in Massachusetts.

PappyD61 on October 14, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Actually the latest (Friday) poll from here in NH (ARG) has Romney +4. As for the MA Senate race, Rasmussen has Warren +2 which means the race is tied. But no polling has been done in MA since their second debate.

The RCP average for both WI and OH is also within the Margin of Error.

Del Dolemonte on October 14, 2012 at 5:44 PM

But one of the things I think Joe Biden did was in that intimate — in that little intimate table, it was very small, he was too big. He was like he was at a campaign event. So you could even — you could feel that, especially at that table, that — that Joe Biden was so aggressive. So there were surprises there. I was surprised at Paul Ryan, that he didn’t jump in more, but that was clearly the strategy. But when you walk off, you’re not quite sure how it went.

- Martha Raddatz, “This Week” on ABC, this morning

Resist We Much on October 14, 2012 at 6:01 PM

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