Certif on October 13, 2012 at 11:37 AM

No, it’s not just you.

I’m hoping when Eric Holder goes, Salazar goes with him.

Yes, you read that correctly — even with all of the many types of subsidies and special government treatment the solar industry receives, they still can’t compete, so the government affords the domestic industry protectionist tariffs… purportedly because China gives its own industry unfair government help.

Is this real life?

Libs love some corporate welfare as long as it is their corporate welfare.

If I lived somewhere isolated, “off the grid”, I’d invest in a solar array and a small wind generator. So far that’s about the only application that pays for either technology. They’re OK for individuals. Both stink for mass generation. Just as with wind, when the subsidy and tax credit end, wind farms are abandoned and so will be solar farms. They cannot pay their own operating expenses or amortization that is beyond the life of the equipment.

ironked on October 13, 2012 at 4:13 PM

You will also need about 30 deep cycle batteries to store this poor source of energy. They are not cheap

Then I suggest Sheriff Sloppy Joe….

OR

We would have enough methane gas to burn for a million years.

Is farts considered green?

http://www.creators.com/opinion/thomas-sowell/socialist-or-fascist.html

The excuse is that the wild horses are “ruining the terrain” (typical liberal BS)…..Wild horses and burros are outnumbered at least 50-1 by privately-owned cattle and sheep on BLM lands. Wild horses are restricted to just 11 percent of BLM lands, which they must share with livestock. Yet even on the small amount of BLM land designated as wild horse habitat, the BLM allocates the majority of forage to private livestock, not wild horses.

He’s started a war on wolves in the same manner.

This man is a total disgrace, but of course is the typical bureaucrat that Bam is having in his administration.

I absolutely despise Ken Salazar for killing our beautiful wildlife.
https://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/6931/t/15385/p/dia/action/public/index.sjs?action_KEY=10530

AND,
http://wildhorsepreservation.org/

“…Mussolini, the originator of fascism, was lionized by the left, both in Europe and in America, during the 1920s. Even Hitler, who adopted fascist ideas in the 1920s, was seen by some, including W.E.B. Du Bois, as a man of the left.”

This post is also about private ownership with government dictates and is about fascism. It is the new Krupp.

God Bless America!

royalists like urban elitist get all tingly when the Feds direct national policy..

no doubt, in some small areas, for some applications, solar is great…but it is not a national policy.

the term to apply here is that barry/urban elitist love themselves some Malinvestment…it feels good…and if you are lucky you can skim some $$$$$$$$ off for yourself.

government R&D is important in some areas. For example, thorium nuclear power could be supported. But, the kicker is, that the government is almost always sub-optimal. Solar/Wind are bad solutions…supported by dumb people.

with people like urban at the helm, we will have brownouts and grid failures…thanx urban

The federal budget doesn’t care if it gives Exxon a billion dollar check or a billion dollar write off. It has the same effect on the bottom line.
 
urban elitist on October 13, 2012 at 1:56 PM

 
All-money-is-government’s-first still again? I would’ve thought the points countering
 

When somebody takes a deduction from their taxes, that revenue has to be made up from other sources — you and I.
 
urban elitist on July 28, 2012 at 8:17 PM

 
in the July thread would’ve helped.
 
Funny, that. It’s almost like a religious/faith-based approach.
 
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As part of the grid — not as the all the grid — solar power could help cut costs and pollution significantly.

 
See .gov below.
 

A number of my friends got solar panels on their roofs and are very pleased with how well its worked out.
 
urban elitist on October 13, 2012 at 1:09 PM

 
I’m guessing that you don’t know your a** from a hole in the ground and that middle class people who pay the electric bill every month probably know what they’re paying.
 
urban elitist on October 13, 2012 at 2:06 PM

 
Nicely played. Especially the hole in the ground part. Dot gov, 2009:
 

Figure 1 indicates that the only areas where PV is close to or at breakeven is where there is a combination of high electricity prices and good solar resources (such as California), or a combination of high electricity prices and incentives (such as New York state and
Massachusetts).
 
http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy10osti/46909.pdf

 
We’ll wait and see if the religious aspect holds for this as well.

Of all forms of energy, man made solar is the least efficient–most costly possible. The only time solar is beneficial is if other forms are not available and even then it is likely to fail to even keep a single car battery charged. So, ask yourself why a broke and nearly bankrupt Country would waste even a dime on solar energy.

aposematic on October 13, 2012 at 3:00 PM

That is true at the present. In the last heat wave, I spent about $200 extra for the month of September on air conditioning. Solar panels on my roof would have covered that extra.

I’m going to get them eventually, but only after they are cheap enough. Maybe by that time, we’ll all be using 12V appliances, so we won’t need to convert the DC emitted by the panels to AC.

Like I said, maff is hard, clearly you don’t get it.

SWalker on October 13, 2012 at 2:42 PM

I think you two are going at this from different angles. Urban is looking at it from the standpoint of the Government, and you are looking at it from the standpoint of the taxpayer.

In one sense, the accounts payable vs. accounts receivable positions are reversed in each of your arguments.

Except we are talking about the Government, which has the ability to print lots of free money. That’s how the Government is able to spend, year after year, twice what it takes in — it manufactures money — either via the Federal Reserve, or as bonds to be redeemed later.

A house of cards.