Video: Biden lied about voting against wars

posted at 10:41 am on October 12, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Here’s a good catch from the Washington Free Beacon on a point I missed during the debate itself.  Joe Biden attacked Paul Ryan for his votes to support two wars as the reason for the massive deficits we now face.  Biden also claimed to have voted against both.  The only problem with that argument is that it’s entirely false:

“By the way, they talk about this great recession like it fell out of the sky–like, ‘Oh my goodness, where did it come from?’” Biden said. “It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, at the same time, put a prescription drug plan on the credit card, a trillion dollar tax cut for the very wealthy.”

“I was there, I voted against them,” Biden continued. “I said, no, we can’t afford that.”

Then Sen. Biden voted for the Afghanistan resolution on Sept. 14, 2001 which authorized “the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.”

And on Oct. 11, 2002, Biden voted for a resolution authorizing unilateral military action in Iraq, according to the Washington Post.

Of course, in the heat of the debate, few viewers will recall how Biden voted in 2001 and 2003.  Considering the Obama administration’s constant prevarications on the Benghazi terror attack, though, this kind of lie might stick to Biden’s flesh for a while.  When it comes to war, you just can’t trust Joe Biden to either know the truth or tell it to you.


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Notice how Ryan sat there grinning during Biden’s lies rather than call him out. That’s because he has Command of the Issues, baby!

Say it ain’t so, Paul. You sat there like a chump.

Mr. Wednesday Night on October 12, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Neil Kinnock was squarely against the wars so it isn’t surprising that Biden got confused.

Odysseus on October 12, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Meh, not so much. But I can understand how the GOP is feeling butt-hurt and reaching for anything.

Constantine on October 12, 2012 at 12:34 PM

in my opinion, the worst thing that biden said that ryan should have capitalized on was when biden said the republicans needed to “get out of the way”. how bipartisan is that?!?

isn’t that the number one complaint about congress, how they won’t work together? how do you work with someone who says you just need to get out of the way…

at the very least, republicans in congress represent 45-50% of all americans, and he wants them to just get out of the way?

jetch on October 12, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Constantine on October 12, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Lol! You’re going all the way down Lassie. ; )

Bmore on October 12, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Biden also claimed to have voted against both. The only problem with that argument is that it’s entirely false:

“…entirely false.” In other words, you’re saying Biden lied?

Why are people too embarrassed to use the word “lie” instead of using “incorrect” or “false”.

timberline on October 12, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Biden should say today that he mis spoke, this is a matter of Senate record.

I believe he got twisted up, I am not sure he was intending to lie on this, he was just story telling and did not realize he knew the facts on this.

Fleuries on October 12, 2012 at 12:48 PM

But I can understand how the GOP is feeling butt-hurt and reaching for anything.

Constantine on October 12, 2012 at 12:34 PM

When the polls show all movement in the race is toward Romney and other polls show Ryan won the debate, why would republicans feel butt-hurt about a crazy old man lying?

I understand you won’t admit it was a lie, b/c as a leftist you are incapable of honesty, but you have no point here.

Monkeytoe on October 12, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Did anyone mention Biden being kicked out of Syracuse Law for a year because of plagiarism?

The guy has a real mental issue with the truth. He can’t seem to help himself.

Monkeytoe on October 12, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Say it ain’t so, Paul. You sat there like a chump.

Mr. Wednesday Night on October 12, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Yup. Pretty sad. I was expecting so much better.

rrpjr on October 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Meh, not so much. But I can understand how the GOP is feeling butt-hurt and reaching for anything.

Constantine on October 12, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Did you even read your link before posting it? It confirms that Biden did lie last night about voting for those wars.

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Del Dolemonte on October 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Did anyone mention Biden being kicked out of Syracuse Law for a year because of plagiarism?

The guy has a real mental issue with the truth. He can’t seem to help himself.

Monkeytoe on October 12, 2012 at 12:57 PM

He’s also dodged the draft as many times as Halliburton Cheney.

But he gets a pass because he belongs to the Correct Party.

Del Dolemonte on October 12, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Did you even read your link before posting it? It confirms that Biden did lie last night about voting for those wars.
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Del Dolemonte on October 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Incorrect. The article outlines how Biden mentioned four things before the pronoun “that”, two of which he voted against. So accusation of lying is a big stretch.

Constantine on October 12, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Biden.

Bmore on October 12, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Actually, Constantine, Biden voted Yea on the Medicare Part D too. Vote was recorded Jun 27, 2003. so he’s… ummm, 1 for 4?

flashoverride on October 12, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Incorrect. The article outlines how Biden mentioned four things before the pronoun “that”, two of which he voted against. So accusation of lying is a big stretch.

Constantine on October 12, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Read your own link, you moron. The author concluded that yes, biden was talking about the two wars.

spinach.chin on October 12, 2012 at 1:23 PM

From the article:

I think it’s completely valid to surmise that Biden implied he voted against the wars.

spinach.chin on October 12, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Actually, Constantine, Biden voted Yea on the Medicare Part D too. Vote was recorded Jun 27, 2003. so he’s… ummm, 1 for 4?
flashoverride on October 12, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Incorrect. He voted against the final version of the bill in November of that same year.

Constantine on October 12, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Good golly. The trolls are ecstatic that crazee old Uncle Joe did not humiliate himself last night and embarrass his boss. Since he only behaved like a boorish jerk, they act like he won the debate.

Keep on keepin on . . .

BigAlSouth on October 12, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Re : Mr Wednesday Night at 12: 32 PM
I think Ryan was wise to let Biden keep lying. It’s called letting people have the rope to hang themselves.

ansonia on October 12, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Incorrect. He voted against the final version of the bill in November of that same year.

So Mr. “I say what I mean and mean what I say” voted for it before he was against it?

Right….

Trust me……

flashoverride on October 12, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Good golly. The trolls are ecstatic that crazee old Uncle Joe did not humiliate himself last night and embarrass his boss. Since he only behaved like a boorish jerk, they act like he won the debate.
Keep on keepin on . . .
BigAlSouth

Well it’s all subjective, isn’t it? Appears to me that Joe didn’t let lil’ Ryan get away with any BS, which was refreshing after watching Obama let Romney lie his ass off.

The best part was the big stumper that Ryan couldn’t answer: What are the details of your own tax plan?

Constantine on October 12, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Incorrect. The article outlines how Biden mentioned four things before the pronoun “that”, two of which he voted against. So accusation of lying is a big stretch.

Constantine on October 12, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Read your own link, you moron. The author concluded that yes, biden was talking about the two wars.

spinach.chin on October 12, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Wow. That was embarrassing.

I love how the left feels this great sense of renewed vigor because Joe Biden finally brought up the all democratic talking points (that have been debunked) that Obama forgot. Ergo, Joe won. WE got the 47% in!! WE WON!!

You’re bleeding independents, Leftys. Hemorrhaging independents, actually. And some cranky old man who was laughing during a discussion about nuclear war with Iran is not how to turn the nozzle.

But, some good news. I think the President may dig in his heels and go all in on the big bird strategy so things should turn around soon.

Fish on October 12, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Well it’s all subjective, isn’t it? Appears to me that Joe didn’t let lil’ Ryan get away with any BS, which was refreshing after watching Obama let Romney lie his ass off.

The best part was the big stumper that Ryan couldn’t answer: What are the details of your own tax plan?

Constantine on October 12, 2012 at 1:38 PM

He did answer, you just didn’t like it. The answer is, they don’t have the specifics yet- just the framework. He’s going to work with democrats and republicans in Congress to figure that out. A totally novel concept.

Fish on October 12, 2012 at 1:51 PM

“There are people that are concerned (about the timeline for withdrawal) but not the Joint Chiefs. That was their recommendation in the Oval Office to the President of the United States of America. I sat there. I’m sure you’ll find someone who disagrees with the Pentagon. I’m positive you’ll find that in the military. But that’s not the case here.”

- Joe Biden, debate

Lie. The Joint Chiefs did NOT recommend a timeline. In fact, Navy Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a House hearing that he supports THE PRESIDENT’S PLANS, but Mullen said they are “MORE AGGRESSIVE AND INCUR MORE RISK THAN HE CONSIDERS PRUDENT.”.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/23/mike-mullen-obama-afghanistan-troop-withdrawal_n_882938.html

While we are at it, let’s look at what some Democrats have said in the past about telegraphing exit dates to enemies…

“A deadline for pulling out will only encourage our enemies to wait us out. It would be a Lebanon in 1985, and God knows where it goes from there.”

- Senator Joe Biden, remarks to the Brookings Institution, 21 June 2005

“I don’t believe it’s smart to set a date for withdrawal. I don’t think you should ever telegraph your intentions to the enemy so they can await you.”

- Senator Hillary Clinton, 22 September 2005 via “Clinton II: parsing Clinton’s history on Iraq ,” National Journal’s The Hotline, 13 February 2007

“As far as setting a timeline that’s not a wise decision, because it only empowers those who don’t want us there.”

- Senator Harry Reid, remarks to the National Press Club, 31 January 2005

Resist We Much on October 12, 2012 at 1:55 PM

He did answer, you just didn’t like it. The answer is, they don’t have the specifics yet- just the framework. He’s going to work with democrats and republicans in Congress to figure that out. A totally novel concept.
Fish on October 12, 2012 at 1:51 PM

That is a non-answer. He has no ideas. If he has a framework, why didn’t he describe it? He’s going to go the table with congressmen and say “So what do you guys want to do”?

The GOP is such a sad shadow of its former self, and now exists almost exclusively for the purpose of lowering the tax bill for the super-wealthy. Of course he doesn’t want to provide details.

Constantine on October 12, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Constantine on October 12, 2012 at 2:01 PM

I bet heavily that your IQ is even lower than gumbyandpokey’s!

Anti-Control on October 12, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Constantine on October 12, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Yep, that’s why Obama is killing Romney in the polls.

…..Oh wait……

itsspideyman on October 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Joe voted for it as well as a bunch of other people still in high places of government

Baucus (MT) Bayh (IN) Biden (DE) Breaux (LA)Cantwell (WA) Carnahan (MO) Carper (DE) Cleland (GA) Clinton (NY) Daschle (SD) Dodd (CT) Dorgan (ND) Edwards (NC) Feinstein (CA) Harkin (IA) Hollings (SC) Johnson (SD) Kerry (MA) Kohl (WI) Landrieu (LA) Lieberman (CT) Lincoln (AR) Miller (GA) Nelson (FL) Nelson (NE) Reid (NV) Rockefeller (WV) Schumer (NY) Torricelli (NJ)

Wigglesworth on October 12, 2012 at 2:22 PM

That is a non-answer. He has no ideas. If he has a framework, why didn’t he describe it? He’s going to go the table with congressmen and say “So what do you guys want to do”?

The GOP is such a sad shadow of its former self, and now exists almost exclusively for the purpose of lowering the tax bill for the super-wealthy. Of course he doesn’t want to provide details.

Constantine on October 12, 2012 at 2:01 PM

He has no ideas? Your candidate has spent the last week running big bird ads, and you’re accusing Romney of not have any ideas? That’s funny.

And I’m sorry you think the GOP lost it’s way. Please tell me, what policies has the GOP recently adopted that they haven’t held for the past 50 years. Or vice versa.

I don’t think you have any idea what you’re talking about.

Fish on October 12, 2012 at 3:01 PM

He has no ideas? Your candidate has spent the last week running big bird ads, and you’re accusing Romney of not have any ideas? That’s funny.
Fish on October 12, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Ryan has no ideas about how to form tax policy.

But since you brought it up, Romney has bad ideas.

Reading comprehension is hard?

Constantine on October 12, 2012 at 3:10 PM

I’m sure it all depends on your definition of “that” — right? Maybe it’s the same “that” of “You didn’t build that.” He didn’t vote for that. We are all just too stoopid to realize that that doesn’t refer to the thing(s) he just mentioned. He means that he didn’t vote for that other thing.

or something…

Trying to think like a liberal makes my head hurt.

Lan Astaslem on October 12, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Romney has bad ideas.

Very specific Constantine.

itsspideyman on October 12, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Constantine

biden and his reprobate ignoramus supporters like yourself deserve every single moment they will spend in hell.

tom daschle concerned on October 12, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Meh, not so much. But I can understand how the GOP is feeling butt-hurt and reaching for anything.

Constantine on October 12, 2012 at 12:34 PM

You f@cking single agenda moron. You linked to a fact check that proved he voted for the war (twice). Meh, considering nothing could possible “hurt butt” you at this stage in your life, let me offer that that was the stupidest retort from a troll ever!

You proved the thread. Did you just not read what you posted?

hawkdriver on October 13, 2012 at 12:17 AM

You forget, Biden is ethically challenged.

georgeofthedesert on October 13, 2012 at 7:58 PM

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