Brokaw: Biden shouldn’t have been yucking it up during a discussion about nuclear war

posted at 12:41 pm on October 12, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

I think I’m more or less with Peggy Noonan on the outcome of last night’s VP debate — the debate seemed like a tie on substance (partly, I thought, because Raddatz seemed to avoid spending too much time on Ryan’s strengths, i.e. spending and the economy, and focused way too much on foreign policy), but Biden practically defeated himself with all of that condescending chortling he was doing. Maybe he was trying to seem personable and familiar, but he looked like an arrogant, discourteous drama queen, and it trivialized his positions.

One of the more galling moments, for instance, was during the discussion on the possible outcomes of a nuclear Iran. Really, Biden? You can’t cut the crap even when you’re talking about the very feasible possibility of open nuclear war? On MSNBC this morning, veteran journalist Tom Brokaw had some strong words for Biden’s childish behavior:

I just don’t think you should be laughing during a discussion about thermonuclear war with Iran. … It’s a very serious issue and however amused you are, it’s about tone as well as content. … It wasn’t about being overbearing. I thought that, in terms of content, he was very effective on Iran. It was the demeanor that he showed, and these are always a combination of the two. People are impressionistic when they look at these debates, and I don’t know how this is going to play out eventually, but sometimes you have to dial that down.

Brzezinski tried to defend Biden’s laughter, claiming he would’ve been criticized no matter how he’d reacted to Ryan’s misrepresentations or something, but I think Brokaw has it right here. I get that he was being contemptuous of what he thought was Ryan’s misunderstanding of the situation, but the whole episode was pretty grossly inappropriate and not at all presidential.


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This is the crazist write-up on topic.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Give Biden a break. He obviously is unable to control himself.

Paul-Cincy on October 12, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Don’t blame me. I voted for Sarah Palin.

aunursa on October 12, 2012 at 12:44 PM

There would be no nuclear war under a president Biden.

At an enemy first strike, Joe would surrender the country.

Liam on October 12, 2012 at 12:44 PM

That’s one small jerk of a man; one giant embarrassment for mankind.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2012 at 12:45 PM

The blood of the Benghazi four cries out for justice.

Who knew?

When did they know it?

What are they covering up?

AT SOME POINT, the media (Brokaw may be the first) is going to have to cover this Administration and their failures on Iran, Libya, Syria, Russian “pass the message on to Vladimir” issues.

PappyD61 on October 12, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Brokaw schools Mika, who says Biden wasn’t laughing at the serious topic, but at Ryan’s solutions to the Iran problem.

Then Brokaw says he is going to laugh at Mika.

HA!

nitzsche on October 12, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Boy, Rush is ripping bho/joe/team a new one on his show today! And every word is correct!
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letget on October 12, 2012 at 12:47 PM

I’m sure I’m not the only person who caught this:

Biden said that “nobody told us it wasn’t a protest over the video”

but also “we’ll know when Iran has a nuclear weapon.”

If his first statement is true (it isn’t), how likely is it that his second one will be?

KyMouse on October 12, 2012 at 12:47 PM

That’s one small jerk of a man; one giant embarrassment for mankind.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2012 at 12:45 PM

You’re good!

Liam on October 12, 2012 at 12:47 PM

. . . . . Biden practically defeated himself with all of that condescending chortling he was doing.
. . . . . he looked like an arrogant, discourteous drama queen, and it trivialized his positions.

Erika Johnsen

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Those two lines sum up the whole so-called “debate”.

listens2glenn on October 12, 2012 at 12:47 PM

This is the crazist write-up on topic.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2012 at 12:44 PM

From the article:

While many found Biden’s grins infectious, some found them immature.

Many? Some? Infectious like … bubonic plague?

Paul-Cincy on October 12, 2012 at 12:47 PM

“Leading from Behind” in all ways.

Throw this circus out. The are destroying the land and not protecting her.

These clowns must go.

Intelligence, help to destroy them over Benghazi. No one deserves it more. It w/b the ultimate irony and Schadenfreude.

Shame on the land for allowing this circus to ‘lead’ her.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2012 at 12:48 PM

The video cuts it off… Brokaw says,
“So when you talk, I will laugh at you.”

nitzsche on October 12, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Brokaw: Biden shouldn’t have been yucking it up during a discussion about nuclear war

Brokaw is an old Marxist fellow traveler and Biden is an imbecile in training to someday become a moron. Biden was talking out his nether regions and anyone who has two functional braincells knew it.

SWalker on October 12, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Paul-Cincy,

WHATEVER YOU CALLED IT, IT WORKED:

“I’m not sure what that was – a smile? Not really. Not a laugh, either,” said Katherine Hall Jamieson, a professor of political communication at the University of Pennsylvania. “And actually not a grin. It was really just something that said, `I have an answer to that and I’m holding it.’”

The land must change or go to Hades, quickly.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2012 at 12:48 PM

When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man,
The foolish man either rages or laughs. Proverbs 29:9 NASB

playsalieri on October 12, 2012 at 12:49 PM

My wife often has to nudge me to settle down in public. But I’m a textbook case of ADHD, bordering on Tourette’s. I see a very strong resemblance between Biden’s lack of control last night and myself when I’m at my worst.

Pythagoras on October 12, 2012 at 12:50 PM

That’s one small jerk of a man; one giant embarrassment for mankind.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2012 at 12:45 PM

.
You’re good!

Liam on October 12, 2012 at 12:47 PM

.
Dittos what Liam said ! . . . : )

listens2glenn on October 12, 2012 at 12:51 PM

It’s just my opinion but I wish Joe’s mom had believed in abortion as much as he does.

MikeA on October 12, 2012 at 12:51 PM

playsalieri on October 12, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Thanks for your post, it sure does fit with bho/team and the debate last night!
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letget on October 12, 2012 at 12:51 PM

He also laughed during a discussion of the murdered ambassador in Libya. This was no isolated incident and while Ryan missed plenty of opening to slam Biden on, Biden lost the optics big time and considering who our President is right now – the optics matter big time.

Daemonocracy on October 12, 2012 at 12:52 PM

He looked quite like a mad man to me. Laughing when there wasn’t anything to laugh at. Smirking and chortling and rolling his eyes. It was so bizarre and the disrespectful attitude was making me angry so I turned it off. A good moderator would have asked if he needed a time out to compose himself instead of just letting him go on like that.

scalleywag on October 12, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Will ANYONE call out Biden for his stupid defense claiming that Iran poses no threat because it is sooooo much harder to build a delivery mechanism for a nuclear weapon than it is to build the nuclear material? Good grief… a handful of nuclear scientists disproved this back in the ’60′s when it took them an afternoon of visiting a couple machine fabricating shops to conclude how easy it is to build a device capable of detonating nuclear material.

I couldn’t believe he was actually taking that position and defending it. Good grief.

gatorboy on October 12, 2012 at 12:53 PM

but Biden practically defeated himself with all of that condescending chortling he was doing

God Love ya, Joe. Losing even when you’re winning.

With the moderator cutting off Ryan, and Ryan not seizing all the openings Joe was giving him, Joe could have ran away with the debate, if he could have only gotten out of his own way.

parke on October 12, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Really, really bad optics if the leftists are calling him out. Very poor optics indeed.

Bmore on October 12, 2012 at 12:53 PM

He also laughed during a discussion of the murdered ambassador in Libya. This was no isolated incident and while Ryan missed plenty of opening to slam Biden on, Biden lost the optics big time and considering who our President is right now – the optics matter big time.

Daemonocracy on October 12, 2012 at 12:52 PM

When an enemy is tripping over his own feet, best to get out of the way and let him do it.

Liam on October 12, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Here is a cartoon about the debate last night.

http://www.terrellaftermath.com/
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letget on October 12, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Mika is the Chrissy from Three’s Company for this show. She’s a set of tits and comic relief and nothing more and she gets used like that. This morning Joe all but said “Let’s listen for a minute to this idiot.”

Marcus on October 12, 2012 at 12:56 PM

I’m sure I’m not the only person who caught this:

Biden said that “nobody told us it wasn’t a protest over the video”

but also “we’ll know when Iran has a nuclear weapon.”

If his first statement is true (it isn’t), how likely is it that his second one will be?

KyMouse on October 12, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Biteme also came out with a new narrative on Iran’s nuclear industry, -that it doesn’t matter if they have fissionable material, because ‘they don’t have a bomb to put it in’.

That’s so obviously a foolish position, I have to wonder if someone briefed him and he got the message all screwed up. I haven’t heard that nonsense from anyone in the US or Israel yet.

slickwillie2001 on October 12, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Boy, Rush is ripping bho/joe/team a new one on his show today! And every word is correct!
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letget on October 12, 2012 at 12:47 PM

He sure is, and he’s spot on.

I spent some time today with people who watched the debate, and they were angry with Biden for a variety of reasons.

Brokaw is right. Serious issues should be treated as such. That includes domestic issues as well.

The people I spoke with were offended because they understand the gravity of our situation here and abroad. They care deeply, and when they spend 90 minutes of their time to listen they expect to hear some clarity. They feel Biden’s contempt was directed toward them as well as Ryan.

They didn’t tune in last night to see Biden’s jackassery, his clownish behavior, and they didn’t appreciate his treatment of Ryan.

So, Rush has it right. Biden may have appeased the Dem base, but he certainly didn’t score points elsewhere.

Cody1991 on October 12, 2012 at 12:57 PM

He also laughed during a discussion of the murdered ambassador in Libya. This was no isolated incident and while Ryan missed plenty of opening to slam Biden on, Biden lost the optics big time and considering who our President is right now – the optics matter big time.

Daemonocracy on October 12, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Is this how Biden conducted deliberations with his fellow Senators, or how he contributes as a de facto member of the President’s cabinet?

Paul Ryan is a star in the House. Brings forth serious proposals. Strives to work with others. Sober, deliberate, principled, receptive, open to compromise.

In contrast, Biden is a clown.

Paul-Cincy on October 12, 2012 at 12:57 PM

The optics of Biden were just plain awful.

This may play well in the DC/NYC/LA/CHICAGO playground but in Middle America, it doesn’t.

Mika……..agh

CoffeeLover on October 12, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Is there any video of Biden hammering his shoe on the podium?

Thanks, in advance.

;O)

OhEssYouCowboys on October 12, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Fox is now airing online —STATE DEPARTMENT TAKES REPORTERS QUESTIONS ON LIBYA SECURITY REQUESTS”

CoffeeLover on October 12, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Just when we all thought Obama was the bottom of the barrel, along comes Biden to show were a little bit wrong on that.

Liam on October 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Biteme also came out with a new narrative on Iran’s nuclear industry, -that it doesn’t matter if they have fissionable material, because ‘they don’t have a bomb to put it in’.

That’s so obviously a foolish position, I have to wonder if someone briefed him and he got the message all screwed up. I haven’t heard that nonsense from anyone in the US or Israel yet.

slickwillie2001 on October 12, 2012 at 12:57 PM

I almost gasped when he said this. Equally bad was how sure Biden was of himself, arrogant, hectoring, disrespectful. Not only is it a poor policy point, he said it with such contempt and finality, as if that’s the last word on it, and anyone who would disagree would be a fool. Biden’s the fool.

Paul-Cincy on October 12, 2012 at 1:02 PM

I’m sure I’m not the only person who caught this:

Biden said that “nobody told us it wasn’t a protest over the video”

but also “we’ll know when Iran has a nuclear weapon.”

If his first statement is true (it isn’t), how likely is it that his second one will be?

KyMouse on October 12, 2012 at 12:47 PM

That’s a really great catch. If I’m the RNC I’m cutting up Biden’s words, finding news clips that clearly rebutt him for each, add in somber, dramatic music and splashing 30-60 seconds of the hypocrisy hammertime goodness across every swing state I can afford.

Ending tag line: “How can the White House say they’ll know about a nuclear Iran when they don’t even know what’s going in their embassies?”

newtopia on October 12, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Leftys think they are winning arguments when they act like this and the person they are talking to quits talking. But people quit talking, not because smirking, laughing, and mocking is so wonderfully wise and scores points. They quit talking because it is obvious they are dealing with someone who unable to listen and carry on a cogent debate on the issues. It does not make anyone look forceful, intelligent, or wise.

It makes people look irrational and slightly crazy.

Biden is apparently the Armadinajad of the Democratic party. Complete with the derangement about nuclear arms in Iran.

Lily on October 12, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Vice President Joe Charlie Sheen Biden.

22044 on October 12, 2012 at 1:03 PM

He looked quite like a mad man to me. Laughing when there wasn’t anything to laugh at. Smirking and chortling and rolling his eyes. It was so bizarre and the disrespectful attitude was making me angry so I turned it off. A good moderator would have asked if he needed a time out to compose himself instead of just letting him go on like that.

scalleywag on October 12, 2012 at 12:52 PM

What’s the altitude in Danville Kentucky?

JPeterman on October 12, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Mika needs to get out of her bubble and visit some parts of the country where real people live…

d1carter on October 12, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Is there any video of Biden hammering his shoe on the podium?

+1

newtopia on October 12, 2012 at 1:04 PM

If Joe’s antics were unremarkable, no one would be remarking about them. The fact that they were so egregious that even the liberals-who-love-Obama not only noticed them, but even criticized them, means that they played very, very poorly in Peoria.

This did not hurt Romney, but it sure didn’t help OBumbles.

natasha333 on October 12, 2012 at 1:04 PM

What’s the altitude in Danville Kentucky?

JPeterman on October 12, 2012 at 1:03 PM

+eleventy

Paul-Cincy on October 12, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Joe solidified his bona fides as assassination insurance.

natasha333 on October 12, 2012 at 1:07 PM

OT The anti-Soros

Thank you Liam and listenseglenn – he makes it easy, the crazy uncle Joe in the attic.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2012 at 1:09 PM

My husband and I were in the car and listened to the debate on satellite radio. We totally missed seeing Biden’s behavior though we certainly heard his laughter. Our impression was that Biden walked all over Ryan with the help of the “moderator” who we felt cut off Ryan whenver he was getting into his answer and making headway. When the debate was finished and we heard the comments about Biden’s behavior and antics as seen on tv, we were needless to say pleased that it became the issue.

And the comment that Steve Hayes made and mentioned by newtopia about intelligence not knowing about the need for additional security in Libya yet being able to tell us when Iran had a nuclear weapon is so true. Biden was blowing smoke up his ass.

COgirl on October 12, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Biden.

Bmore on October 12, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Am I the only one who hears “thermonuclear war” in Joshua’s computer voice from WarGames?

lusir on October 12, 2012 at 1:11 PM

This is a VILE man in a VILE administration…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7C7fq9b7sM&feature=youtu.be

VILE. VILE. MAN.

UnderstandingisPower on October 12, 2012 at 1:11 PM

I’d like some clarification on these sanctions on Iran that I’ve been hearing about for years but only now seem to be having some impact. Why is that? Does it just take that long?

Cindy Munford on October 12, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Question: I have enough highly enriched uranium for 4 nuclear bombs how much of it would I have to trade to North Korea for the bombs to put it in? 50/50 split? Sanctions won’t stop this type of transaction. Put a diplomatic pouch label on the package and its an act of war to interfere with its transit.The republicans understand this the democrats don’t.

meci on October 12, 2012 at 1:13 PM

The optics of Biden were just plain awful.

This may play well in the DC/NYC/LA/CHICAGO playground but in Middle America, it doesn’t.

Mika……..agh

CoffeeLover on October 12, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Us Hot Air commenters would be considered the grassroots base of the GOP, we love our red meat, but if Ryan were the one yukking it up during conversations about Iran and Libya most of us would have been furious. The lefties apparently are loving Biden’s antics for the most part, goes to show the differences between us and them.

Daemonocracy on October 12, 2012 at 1:13 PM

My experience watching the debate was similar to “yubley” over on the Noonan thread.

I get back home turn on the debate and call a relative. The audio is placed on mute though I have close captions on so as to read text of the banter taking place for the final half hour or so.

Overall impression is Ryan displayed the cool, unflappable confidence of someone who takes matters seriously. Poise. Someone far more mature than Biden ever could hope to be.

The impression Slow Joe gave was cartoon-ish. Of the crazy uncle on some low budget sitcom whose demeanor rivals that of Young Frankenstein’s Eye-gor but without any humor or wit… only a cold, soulless, out of place laugh. The bug-eyed sidelong glances, the jumping in the chair… so overwrought to be comical. A graying child.

The impression of “moderator” Raddatz was ugliness. Not mere physical frumpiness or slovenliness one expects from Hillary or DWS but more so a laziness towards her duty clearly reminiscent of Obama himself. Somewhat like a nervous yet similarly stoned Diane Sawyer during a primary debate. It was expected Raddatz would be in the tank for Biden (presstitutes will be) and she was but I don’t think Nurse Ratched trying to steer Slow Joe back onto the narrative. Raddatz’ obviousness only amplified Biden’s unsuitability for leadership.

viking01 on October 12, 2012 at 1:13 PM

viking01 on October 12, 2012 at 1:13 PM

I agree.

kingsjester on October 12, 2012 at 1:15 PM

I’d like some clarification on these sanctions on Iran that I’ve been hearing about for years but only now seem to be having some impact. Why is that? Does it just take that long?

Cindy Munford on October 12, 2012 at 1:11 PM

I think what people are referring to is the Iranian hyperinflation currently going on. I don’t know whether it’s sanctions or something else causing it, though. It’s possible the latest round managed to target something that is making life difficult for the Ayatollahs.

Doomberg on October 12, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Keep this front/center.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2012 at 1:16 PM

O T … The anti-Soros

Thank you Liam and listens2glenn – he makes it easy, the crazy uncle Joe in the attic.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2012 at 1:09 PM

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I commented on that video yesterday (someone posted the link to it; was it you ?)

Anyway, I deliberately made a reference to George Soros without using his name. I just wanted to see if anybody else “got it”.

listens2glenn on October 12, 2012 at 1:17 PM

I’d like some clarification on these sanctions on Iran that I’ve been hearing about for years but only now seem to be having some impact. Why is that? Does it just take that long?

Cindy Munford on October 12, 2012 at 1:11 PM

It took forever for the reasons Ryan said, Obama went to the UN first. The sanctions are having an effect, but the regime could have been weakened much more effectively had we supported the green revolution (in public with rhetoric, in private by arming them).

The thing is that once Iran becomes a nuclear power, the sanctions will no longer matter. They will change the balance of power in the region and a Saudi Arabia will proceed with their own nuclear program immediately.

Daemonocracy on October 12, 2012 at 1:18 PM

I think what people are referring to is the Iranian hyperinflation currently going on. I don’t know whether it’s sanctions or something else causing it, though. It’s possible the latest round managed to target something that is making life difficult for the Ayatollahs.

Doomberg on October 12, 2012 at 1:16 PM

No amount of hyper inflation, financial hardship or economic sanction is going to sway the Iranian Mullah’s from doing what they believe is Allah’s will for them. their religious convictions are not for sale to anyone at any price.

SWalker on October 12, 2012 at 1:23 PM

I’d like some clarification on these sanctions on Iran that I’ve been hearing about for years but only now seem to be having some impact. Why is that? Does it just take that long?

Cindy Munford on October 12, 2012 at 1:11 PM

I think what people are referring to is the Iranian hyperinflation currently going on. I don’t know whether it’s sanctions or something else causing it, though. It’s possible the latest round managed to target something that is making life difficult for the Ayatollahs.

Doomberg on October 12, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Yeah, but Barky managed to squander even that advantage that the sanctions might have created, with the stupid SOFA ageement in Iraq, whereby he refused to keep troops there and retain some control. Now the Iranians will do all the money laundering, smuggling, etc through Iraq who probably will soon be an Itan proxy, if it’s not one already.

jimver on October 12, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Imagine ‘Ol Joe’s performance last night on steroids: That’s what Little Barry is going to do the next two debates. Little Barry took enough heat for his lousy performance last week that he will come out swinging — snotty, sarcastic, supercilious, constantly interrupting both Romney and the moderator. (Not that the moderator will need that much help trying to cut Romney down before he gets a chance to score an actual point.)

All Romney will have to do is emulate Ryan last night: Stay calm and focused while the toddler throws his tantrum, enabled by the moderator. I suspect Ryan picked up support last night simply by maintaining his dignity while ‘Ol Joe hung himself.

catsandbooks on October 12, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Biden acted scared last night…Ryan drew blood early.

workingclass artist on October 12, 2012 at 1:34 PM

I’d like some clarification on these sanctions on Iran that I’ve been hearing about for years but only now seem to be having some impact. Why is that? Does it just take that long?

Cindy Munford on October 12, 2012 at 1:11 PM

All those ‘sanctions’ have escape clauses. For example, the UN would never cut off food. And I think that is right. Otherwise, it would be considered a blockade and, if military forces get involved, it’s an act of war.

Liam on October 12, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Here’s the thing. What about Ryan’s comments on Iran were so far out of step with the assessments of others?

It’s one thing to get all indignant when your opponent shows no grasp of the two sides of an issue. But when somebody correctly articulates a valid position, laughter just doesn’t make sense.

Although I would imagine Saul Alinski would have loved Old Joe’s performance.

hawksruleva on October 12, 2012 at 1:36 PM

O T … The anti-Soros

Thank you Liam and listens2glenn – he makes it easy, the crazy uncle Joe in the attic.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2012 at 1:09 PM

That man is so disarmingly genuine and exemplary in his honesty, his simple message would move even a rock….a breath of fresh air in a culture where faux and phoney rule.

jimver on October 12, 2012 at 1:37 PM

You are kidding about Biden winning the debate on “points”. You award points for outright lies? Seriously?

Biden voted for the wars. He lied outright and said he didn’t because he was worried about the cost. He said Ryan voted to reduce Embassy security. Ryan proposed an across the board 19% reduction in spending for all agencies. That does not translate into what Biden claimed. Biden said Iran had a long way to go to develop nuclear weapon. He said there were no means of delivery. He lied. He lied about Obama’s meetings with Israel’s prime minister. He lied about the Russian reset. He lied about what the Administration knew about the Administration’s lies about Bengazhi. And he and the Obama-pal “moderator” cut Ryan off. The classic fascist trick: shut off all opposition speech.

Biden isn’t working with a full deck and he screams, lies, laughs at the death of Americans and is almost as narcisistic as his boss who apparently thought HE’d won his debate (until the polls indicated otherwise).

No, Biden did not win either the foreign affairs portion of the debate or the economy portion. I wish Ryan would have called him on his lies, but just like confronting a drunk with facts, it’s like talking to a brick wall with a very loud speaker attached to it. Impossible.

Portia46 on October 12, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Oh, I forgot about the sanctions. Ryan told the truth and Joe lied about those also—and Biden laughed when Ryan pointed out that it was the VP’s duty to get the paper-work done to keep a decent peace-keeping force in Iraq, which Obama just turned over willy-nilly to Iran.

And Afghanistan? Biden lied about that one too. He’d said that was the “important” war and he and his boss haven’t noticed that their rules of engagement is killing Americans. I wish Ryan would have attacked on that one.

I can see why Ryan didn’t point out a lot of things though…he was following the Marquess of Queensbury Rules against Occupy Wall Street.

God, please help us return statesmen to our government. Please.

Amen

Portia46 on October 12, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Beautiful and spot on!

PatriotGal2257 on October 12, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Biden is everyone’s crazy uncle Joe who’s a used car salesman at one of those tacky lots in a seedy area of town.

He slaps you on the back smiling, starts spouting BS, excuse me, malarkey, that’s delivered in a tone and cadence to sound like sincerity – but its not.

It’s a sales pitch – and it works on some people.

My opinion of Biden dropped last night due to his arrogance, condescension and grinning/smirking smarmy demeanor.

Here’s the deal: Had he acted honorably he would have won the debate at least in the minds of those who don’t fact-check him.

DrDeano on October 12, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Will ANYONE call out Biden for his stupid defense claiming that Iran poses no threat because it is sooooo much harder to build a delivery mechanism for a nuclear weapon than it is to build the nuclear material? Good grief… a handful of nuclear scientists disproved this back in the ’60′s when it took them an afternoon of visiting a couple machine fabricating shops to conclude how easy it is to build a device capable of detonating nuclear material.

I couldn’t believe he was actually taking that position and defending it. Good grief.

gatorboy on October 12, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Even easier if they decide to go with a dirty bomb. Radioactive material plus explosive device to spread it around. Voila’

Mitoch55 on October 12, 2012 at 1:53 PM

From the front page of Yahoo:

POLL
Who won the vice presidential debate?
Who won the vice presidential debate?

Vice President Joe Biden
Rep. Paul Ryan

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Vice President Joe Biden 46%

Rep. Paul Ryan 54%

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I know it’s not a scientific poll, and who knows what the internals look like, but Ryan by 8%?!

I thought it was a push myself as Ryan did not hit Biden hard on a lot of openings that Biden left for Ryan. And Joe blew by acting like a clown and ultimately throwing a way a clear cut win opportunity. It was a win for Ryan as he came across as competent, and far more rational.

parke on October 12, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Was Biden on mood enhancers?

pat on October 12, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Forgive the copy-n-paste, but I posted my thoughts over in the comments section of a Greenroom post.

Greasy Joe used OWS-style debating, minus the sexual assaults. “Get in their faces,” insult, demean, degrade, and disrespect. The only thing that Joe failed to do was crap on a cop car.

I used to think that Biden was dumb but endearing. Now I hold him in the same contempt that I hold his boss. He’s a nasty, ugly, angry, disrespectful a-hole of the highest magnitude. There’s nothing endearing about him. Last night the real Joe Biden came out.

crazy_legs on October 12, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Question: I have enough highly enriched uranium for 4 nuclear bombs how much of it would I have to trade to North Korea for the bombs to put it in? 50/50 split? Sanctions won’t stop this type of transaction. Put a diplomatic pouch label on the package and its an act of war to interfere with its transit.The republicans understand this the democrats don’t.

meci on October 12, 2012 at 1:13 PM

An absolutely EXCELLENT point! I hadn’t even considered the “diplomatic pouch label” approach! Yikes!…

dominigan on October 12, 2012 at 2:08 PM

This is the crazist write-up on topic.

Schadenfreude on October 12, 2012 at 12:44 PM

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I read the story, and was most amused by the copyright notice on it. Who in their right mind would want to “publish, broadcast, rewrite, or redistribute” this gutter tripe? With each such article the AP loses a bit more of their already shredded credibility as a news organization.

NOMOBO on October 12, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Brzezinski never seems tired of making excuses for this administration. Perhaps she should apply for a full-time job.

GarandFan on October 12, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Another thing I DO hope Romney brings up on the Benghazi thing and Biden and Obama not knowing about the need for more security (how could they possibly NOT know that?), maybe drunk ‘ol Joe and the Prez would have known if they’d attended their security briefings.

And isn’t this massive ignorance and disconnect awfully similar to Fast and Furious? Holder gets off any kind of responsibility because he didn’t read his briefing papers?

Nixon lost his Presidency when he agreed with Haldeman about keeping the FBI away from the CIA angle…but these turkeys can bribe senators for votes, give tax money to cronies (another HUGE lie by Biden), run gun running operations and cover up terrorist attacks and nothing happens to them.

Speaking of which, another terrorist scandal is Major Hassan. Obama said that was workplace violence? Really? Why aren’t Republicans taking that bit of “malarkey” apart, along with the video about Mohammed?

Portia46 on October 12, 2012 at 2:41 PM

“It wasn’t about being overbearing. I thought that, in terms of content, he was very effective on Iran. It was the demeanor that he showed, and these are always a combination of the two”

Tommy boy…actions speak louder than words. Biden will be judged on what he did, not on what he said.

timberline on October 12, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Give Biden a break. He obviously is unable to control himself.

Paul-Cincy on October 12, 2012 at 12:44 PM

…you think he wears DEPENDS?

KOOLAID2 on October 12, 2012 at 3:00 PM

you think he wears DEPENDS?

KOOLAID2 on October 12, 2012 at 3:00 PM

You know old age will catch up with everyone. Not every old person—even those whose prostrate wears out—is a mean, screaming, maniac. I sincerely hate our society’s tendency to belittle and mock our elders and their infirmaties.

Biden has been a jerk at least since he told a questioner he had a higher IQ and made up a whole lot of academic credentials. He’s maybe been a total jerk since he stole someone else’s work in college.

Portia46 on October 12, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Biden proved three things last night imo. First, that he really is a fool, no matter what argument he might espouse. Rather than help the Democrats, he added fuel to the fire that Obama had ignited with the first debate. To any reasonable American, he came off as obnoxious and rude. Both Obama and Biden, each in a different way, seem ill-prepared to lead. Whereas Obama seemed bored and disconnected, Biden seemed unhinged.

Second, Biden proved Ryan is right where he ought to be at age 43. He was knowledgeable, calm, prudent, and polite. He held his own without tripping up, and he passed the second banana test in spite of Biden’s obvious disdain. He was not assertive–but he didn’t have to be. He just had to be credible as a vice president while watching Biden self-destruct. He didn’t accelerate Romney’s momentum, but he didn’t impede it either.

Third, Biden also proved Romney, not Ryan, is the right man at the top of our ticket. Remember during the primary season how some of the most respected pundits on the right were clamoring for Ryan to run for president? To his credit he knew he was unready, unseasoned, and relatively unskilled politically–for all his peerless prowess on budget matters.

It was Romney who had the necessary skills, not Ryan or Perry or Santorum or Cain or Palin. Romney was to Obama what Biden was to Ryan–but with this difference: he comes off as the wise father rather than the crazy uncle. What Romney demonstrated in that first debate was supreme self-confidence under terrifically stressful circumstances, excelling in command of the issues as well as a happy warrior optimism reminiscent of Reagan. Unlike Obama who rambled on to no purpose, Romney knows what he wants to accomplish and believes he has the necessary skills to make it happen.

Three cheers for our team. Now lets take Ohio and be done with it.

writeblock on October 12, 2012 at 3:54 PM

EJ, there was no “tie on substance” and: Peggy Noonan is very poor company to be “with.”

The only one debating was Ryan. Sheriff (Sloppy) Joe was talking over his opponent, while the moderator was anything but.

Sherman1864 on October 12, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Viewers should’ve made the connection from Biden’s childish behavior to Gore’s disrespectful sighs, which cost Al-baby dearly. Why is it that ‘crats just can’t pull off that Reaganesque, “there you go again,” with even a ounce of panache?

FerdtheMoonCat on October 12, 2012 at 4:05 PM

I’m not sure how many people saw it, but Tom Brokaw was on Fox News providing commentary after the debate and he was genuinely shocked at Biden’s performance! I normally consider Tom a left-leaning newsman and was really surprised at how forcefully he slammed Biden for his blatant disrespect… especially when laughing over Benghazi and nuclear war with Iran. Brokaw was absolutely shocked. (And I reveled in another leftist’s eyes being opened!)

dominigan on October 12, 2012 at 4:43 PM

I’m not sure how many people saw it, but Tom Brokaw was on Fox News providing commentary after the debate and he was genuinely shocked at Biden’s performance! I normally consider Tom a left-leaning newsman and was really surprised at how forcefully he slammed Biden for his blatant disrespect… especially when laughing over Benghazi and nuclear war with Iran. Brokaw was absolutely shocked. (And I reveled in another leftist’s eyes being opened!)

dominigan on October 12, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Brokaw was on Fox???

Pythagoras on October 12, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Bideb: “we’ll know when Iran has a nuclear weapon.”

No sh^t, moron. Everyone will know when they get a nuclear weapon. And then it will be too late.

xblade on October 12, 2012 at 5:05 PM