Open thread: The VP debate

posted at 8:31 pm on October 11, 2012 by Allahpundit

9 p.m. ET across the dial. It’s true that VP debates usually don’t matter, and Gallup has the data to prove it. It’s also true that the shellacking Romney gave to the Empty Chair in Denver has created an unusual and unpredictable late swing in momentum. What we’re looking at tonight, then, isn’t so much a potential gamechanger as an opportunity to preserve a game that’s already changed. If Ryan makes a good impression, it’ll cement the impression Romney made at the last debate and give undecideds more confidence in rolling the dice on the new guys. That makes Biden’s task simple: Ensure that Ryan doesn’t make a good impression by calling him a liar, a woman-hater, blah blah. Dave Weigel went back through the Biden debate archive and found that he’s perfectly comfortable in that role:

The Clatworthy debates give us a better idea of Biden’s style than the Palin debate of 2008. That match-up was sui generis. Biden’s job then: Just don’t do anything that would make a swing voter root for the put-upon Hockey Mom. But Biden’s job, in his Senate races, was to humiliate Republicans by pointing out how cruel their policies were, and how little they knew. Abortion and women’s safety issues, which he could never deploy against Palin, are the tools he knows best. When Biden meets Ryan tonight, it would be out of character if he didn’t try to mire him in a discussion of pro-life bills and “legitimate rape.” Plenty of pols use soft language when they have to discuss those issues. Biden doesn’t.

Really, whenever an issue can be mined for pathos, Biden thrives. In the second Clatworthy debate, after the Republican failed to trap the senator into a joint PAC money-pledge press conference (“See if anyone shows up and pays attention to you,” said Biden), moderators switched the discussion to entitlements. It was 1996, and the fiscal problem du jour was whether to balance the budget by 1999 or by 2002. Clatworthy suggested that a privatized Social Security system and privatized Veterans Affairs administration would be more efficient. Biden reacted like he’d just heard a Tourettes patient question the death toll of the Holocaust.

A few days ago I predicted plenty of table-pounding atmospherics from Greasy Joe in the name of re-energizing deflated liberals and winning back wavering middle-class indies. With Obama advisors now telling Politico to expect a “very aggressive” debate, I’ll stand by that. He’s not going to win this on substance, but if he gets outrageously outraged enough, the media will award him the decision on “style” for having effectively channeled their own anger at the prospect of a GOP win. (Besides, it’s the first step in the inevitable “Obama comeback” narrative.) Hope Ryan’s ready to repel a sustained effort to keep him on the defensive, especially since, with Biden’s favorables already underwater, he doesn’t have to worry about coming off as a nice guy. Read Ace for more on why it’s foolish to underestimate him: The moderator’s under pressure not to anger the left the way Jim Lehrer did, all issues — including easy demagogue-able “war on women” trivia — are on the table, and Biden’s proved plenty of times that he’s good enough behind a mic to impress low-information voters. The left needs someone tonight who can grandstand effectively, not out-brainiac Ryan on federal budget minutiae. A guy who got elected to the Senate six times and then to the vice-presidency can grandstand effectively.

Robert Costa has a nice piece on Ryan’s exhaustive debate prep so read that while you’re waiting for the show to start. (Note the bit about Ted Olson mimicking Biden down to his hand gestures.) One obvious X factor: How much time will moderator Martha Raddatz spend on the White House’s Benghazi clusterfark? A Romney advisor told Byron York that Ryan’s prepared to hammer Obama’s “unraveling” foreign policy, but that he probably won’t get into the weeds on Libya and the subsequent cover up. That might be for the best: When it comes to terrible foreign-policy decisions endorsed by his opponent tonight, there’s an awful lot of other ground to cover.

Here’s the handy dandy Hot Air/Townhall widget for debate live-tweeting. If you’re looking for drinking-game rules, Reason has got you covered. Exit quotation: “Joe just needs to be Joe.”



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LOL. David Muir just said Biden stopped the slow bleeding of the last two weeks…

OmahaConservative on October 11, 2012 at 10:54 PM

I am sure Obama/Biden base is happy. Although on Twitch, Bette Middler is worried how Biden will be depicted by SNL.

Cindy Munford on October 11, 2012 at 10:54 PM

diogenes on October 11, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Biden’s Christianity does not stop with charity! What a great Catholic.

I wish Paul had the guts to mention prior POTUS votes on killing born alive babies.

But if your enemies don’t make it clear, you win!

IlikedAUH2O on October 11, 2012 at 10:54 PM

The entire debate was meant by the left/Raadatz/Obama as a framework for getting the sound bite they wanted from Ryan on abortion. You’ll see it in the commercials tomorrow. They are scum and Biden probably got the questions ahead of time.

Western_Civ on October 11, 2012 at 10:47 PM

I said that too when Ryan made that comment. Move over Big Bird. The “war on women” is back.

conservative pilgrim on October 11, 2012 at 10:54 PM

What the hell did Biden do before the start of the debate, inhale in a couple tanks of laughing gas? He came across as thinking everything was worth laughing about, including what happened in Libya! Obama must be ready to strangle him at this point!

pilamaye on October 11, 2012 at 10:54 PM

So in one day we’ve gone from Benghazi attack being “no big deal” to an actual laughing matter with this administration? Good to know.

UnderstandingisPower on October 11, 2012 at 10:54 PM

If Biden actually managed to win the debate (I don’t believe he did) he won ugly. Very ugly.

Indies are not pleased with his boorish “trust me” attitude, if the focus groups are to be believed.

KingGold on October 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Just got back from practice…

… What did I miss?

Seven Percent Solution on October 11, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Had our drinking game been based on interruptions, I would be headed to the liqueur store now to resupply. ; )

Bmore on October 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I took Ed Morrissey’s advice and began to drink heavily, especially toward the end of the debate. Drinking definitely helped quell my urge to hurl things.

Personally, I think Ryan won big time. His responses were cogent and intelligent, not to mention earnest. Hair Plugs Biden, aside from driving me insane with his snickering and annoying noises when Ryan was speaking, was a lying pretentious snarklefark. I’ve truly never felt more loathing sprinkled with pity for another human being, except Barry, than I do for Hair Plugs. It’s remarkable and a sad shame that this inane fool has been in Washington since he was in his early twenties.

Slainte on October 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I think Biden came across as a rude nasty old man. And he lied over and over again…hell he even lied about the intelligence community..I bet they appreciate that.

Terrye on October 11, 2012 at 10:47 PM

.
This was STUPID beyond belief.

The intelligence folks will make Obama PAY for that lie before November 6th.

Expect more leaks on what “the real situation on the ground is” and even more leaks showing the failure of Obama’s foreign policy.

MSM types cannot resist “insider information” from the intelligence types.

Big Mistake.

HUGE.

PolAgnostic on October 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Erika Johnsen @erikajohnsen

Debate questions were specifically designed to avoid Ryan’s strengths, which also happen to be what Americans care most about #ECONOMY

JPeterman on October 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Just why in the hell didn’t Ryan point at Biden while asking, “Why didn’t Obama and you not give the security needed in Benghazi after being asked for it a number of times, and after numerous attacks before our Ambassador and three others were killed? Despite the Obama moderator’s cutting off Ryan at every turn, he could have worked that in.

TXUS on October 11, 2012 at 10:51 PM

…and when Biteme brought up Ryan’s cutting of budgets, Ryan should have shot back that they had plenty of myoney to buy Chevy Volts in Vienna. He had something on the Marine guards in Brussels (?) which was just okay.

slickwillie2001 on October 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Why was the moderator debating against Ryan too?

southernms on October 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Yeah, good question. She also kept stopping Ryan as he was making points and allowed Biden to go on and on. It was like 2 against one.

Twitchy seems to be showing a lot of tweets about Biden’s creepy smirk.
http://twitchy.com/2012/10/11/why-so-serious-bidens-debate-grimace-creeps-out-angers-viewers/

JellyToast on October 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Whoa. Right again…

The Twitterverse is savaging O’Biden for his idiotic grinning. Jeff Greenfield leads a large phalanx of liberals who are NOT laughing at the Happy Warrior.

Jaibones on October 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM

The post-debate spin-room interviews are amazing. They brought in a Dem Governor to praise Biden unfettered by the “journalists” commentary, by asking him just one question: “Tell us how the Vice President did tonight”.

Then they brought in a Republican Senator for the Ryan spin. They hammered him with question after question, they disagreed with his answers and content, and then they finished up by asking “Is there one thing about which you wish Congressman Ryan had done better?”

No bias there. Just like the moderator, no bias…

Freelancer on October 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I hope Paul Ryan adds a body bag workout to his P90X routine. I would paste Biden’s photo on it and proceed to hit it as hard as I could after this.

PatriotGal2257 on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

CBS uncommitted voters: Who won? Biden: 50%, Ryan: 31%, tie=19%

WisCon on October 11, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Aw, crap.

KingGold on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Overall I think the narrative of Team 0bama as a feckless incompetent and loudmouth rude geezer is firmly established in any mind that is swayable.

Rebar on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

CBS winner: Biden 51% Ryan 36%

xblade on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

I thought Biden came across as a jerk who had to resort to smirks and interruptions because he didn’t have anything more substantial.

ansonia on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

The Serpent Queen on CNN. Reporter said Biden seemed overaggressive. No kidding.

Philly on October 11, 2012 at 10:47 PM

“Mightor!!!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ce9mRBKH-Y

Del Dolemonte on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Biden is getting killed on twitter and pretty much every where else. First rule of a national debate is to LOOK professional. People vote for who they trust and like.

Ta111 on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Chuck Woolery @chuckwoolery

Biden, my strong catholic belief has driven me to support gay marriage, abortion forced birth control on the church and blatant lying. Amen

JPeterman on October 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM

My Catholic Social Doctrine of defending the defenseless causes me to support partial birth abortion on demand.

talkingpoints on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Half of the idiots I know could not follow Ryan at times. Like when he talking about Romney’s charity. He sentence was so messed up on a simple topic!

Hey! Romney gave the guy $20 large!

How would you like a buddy like that?

IlikedAUH2O on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Given that Ryan’s task was to share the stage with an obnoxious lying idiotic moonbat and maintain both his composure and keep a straight face….Ryan did Great!

Ryan’s closing was strong & his family, (Especially his mom cause she raised a great kid) were very proud of him.

workingclass artist on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Okay…take a deep breath. Good. Now let it out slowly. Truth is, I listened to the debate on the radio (turned low in the background).
Here is my assessment, for what it’s worth:
1. Ryan got his ass kicked – not on substance (on substance he prevailed) but on format: Radditz and Biden essentially tag-teamed him. Biden was a gatling gun of prevarication and irrelevance and Radditz effectively stifled Ryan’s return-fire at every opportunity.
2. The Drive-Bys will bray like happy donkeys that Biden trounced Ryan, that the Romney-Ryan bounce is over and that Obama will prevail.
3. The “independents” – who will decide the election – will come away from this debate with the sure knowledge that (a) Gaffemeister JB is an unmitigated asswhole; (b) Paul Ryan is a knowledgeable, gracious, and VERY vice-presidential candidate and (c) Martha Radditz is a partisan c**t.
4. Joe Biden won this battle but ultimately cost his ticket the war.
My two cents.
ManlyRash on October 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM

You should have watched it n TV. Biden delivered all his lines while making faces like a villain in a Batman movie. The smirks and sneers were freaky.

bitsy on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Dr. K says on TV Biden lost, on radio Biden won, on the transcript a tie.

d1carter on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

LOL. David Muir just said Biden stopped the slow bleeding of the last two weeks…

OmahaConservative on October 11, 2012 at 10:54 PM

I remember Muir on our local news. Disappointed that he`s sold his soul. :(

ThePrez on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

ManlyRash on October 11, 2012 at 10:38 PM

With all due respect, if you only listened on the radio, your opinion on who ‘won’ is meaningless.

slickwillie2001 on October 11, 2012 at 10:52 PM

…I was in the car listening to the radio and caught the last half on TV…BIG DIFFERENCE!

KOOLAID2 on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Biden won on the radio

Biden lost on TV

A draw
……………….Dr.K.

JPeterman on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

CBS uncommitted voters: Who won? Biden: 50%, Ryan: 31%, tie=19%

WisCon on October 11, 2012 at 10:54 PM

How is that remotely possible? The guy was a douchebag the entire time! Has Luntz done his focus group yet?

changer1701 on October 11, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Joe was obviously told to be the pitbull ahole.

CW on October 11, 2012 at 10:57 PM

The other Obama campaign creepy smiley dude (Messina) said (about the manic grinning) that “Joe’s a happier warrior for the middle class”.

tru2tx on October 11, 2012 at 10:57 PM

CBS winner: Biden 51% Ryan 36%

xblade

CBS uncommitted voters: Who won? Biden: 50%, Ryan: 31%, tie=19%

WisCon

Fixed.

xblade on October 11, 2012 at 10:57 PM

With all due respect, if you only listened on the radio, your opinion on who ‘won’ is meaningless.

slickwillie2001 on October 11, 2012 at 10:52 PM

But I was also following the commentary on this thread. Besides, I’m familiar with Gaffemeister JB’s style.

ManlyRash on October 11, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Biden keept laughing like everything was a big joke. It made him look small.

Dollayo on October 11, 2012 at 10:57 PM

The Obamedia is still alive and working to protect The Won.

22044 on October 11, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Ryan closed well. He had some good remarks at the end. Way too polite for my taste during most of the debate, tho.

JellyToast on October 11, 2012 at 10:57 PM

The post-debate spin-room interviews are amazing. They brought in a Dem Governor to praise Biden unfettered by the “journalists” commentary, by asking him just one question: “Tell us how the Vice President did tonight”.

Then they brought in a Republican Senator for the Ryan spin. They hammered him with question after question, they disagreed with his answers and content, and then they finished up by asking “Is there one thing about which you wish Congressman Ryan had done better?”

No bias there. Just like the moderator, no bias…

Freelancer on October 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM

What channel?

talkingpoints on October 11, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Biden has turkey wattle under his chin.

Lanceman on October 11, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Biden looks like he has a case of Bells Palsy that’s progressed into tourrets syndrome

Republican Yogi on October 11, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Dr.K: Biden was so disrespectful that it undid his forcefulness…

d1carter on October 11, 2012 at 10:57 PM

A Happy Warrior? So is Pro Wrestler Hacksaw Jim Duggan, but I wouldn’t want him a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

kingsjester on October 11, 2012 at 10:58 PM

xblade on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Who watches CBS?

Charlemagne on October 11, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Andrew Kaczynski @BuzzFeedAndrew

CBS News snap poll gives the debate to Biden: Biden: 50%, Ryan: 31%, tie: 19%.

JPeterman on October 11, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Krauthammer just validated ManlyRash and my points:

“If you listened on radio, Biden won”

“If you watched it on TV, Ryan won big (because of Biden’s dememanor)”

“If you read a transcript, it will come off as a draw.”

PolAgnostic on October 11, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Dr. K is right – on TV, Biden lost big time. Debate did not move the needle, he says. Will it affect upcoming debates? Don’t know.

Philly on October 11, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Biden was “unprecedented” and “condescending”.

No, I don’t trust him.

Fallon on October 11, 2012 at 10:58 PM

ManlyRash on October 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM

You should have watched it n TV. Biden delivered all his lines while making faces like a villain in a Batman movie. The smirks and sneers were freaky.

bitsy on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Hey! Krauthammer stole my analysis.

:D

bitsy on October 11, 2012 at 10:58 PM

They sent Biden out to stop the bleeding because laughter is the best medicine.

Elchasebo on October 11, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Who watches CBS?

Charlemagne on October 11, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Cultists?

Bmore on October 11, 2012 at 10:58 PM

CNN focus group says debate was a dead heat

1/3 for Biden
1/3 for Ryan
1/3 undecided

wren on October 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM

The best way to describe tonight is, Joe Biden tried too hard to be everything Obama wasn’t.

He tried to attack way too much.
He interrupted way too much.
He smiled inappropriately way too much.
He raised his voice way too much.

El_Terrible on October 11, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Remember the shift in Gore’s behavior from the 1st to the 2nd debate against GWB? Same thing here from Obama’s to this one, only in reverse i.e. O-V-E-R-C-O-M-P-E-N-S-A-T-I-O-N

I didn’t even watch it, but from reading the comments here, I predict the cumulative effect over the next few days, with ads showing Biden’s rude/bizarre behavior, will cause most people to conclude that Biden lost badly.

Anti-Control on October 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Do many undecided voters listen to the debate on the radio?

Hopefully, most of the undecideds turned it off before the commentary.

talkingpoints on October 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Why we don’t just say,,,

Ummmm,,, no.

When they offer up leftie moderators, I will never understand.

wolly4321 on October 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM

It was a win for Biden….

Biden’s tactics kept Ryan on the defense, defending Romney, off his game of explaining things – his strong point….Yes, he was an @ss but he kept ryan from being totally effective. With the help of the moderator, Joe had ryan back on his heels a little, & as a result Ryan missed a LOT of opportunities.

Biden holding his own, keeping Ryan from shining, & ‘beating up on Ryan’ with his rude tactics & laughing/smirking, & NOT SAYING ANYTHING STUPID equates to a win that the Obama butt-kissing media will play up.

easyt65 on October 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM

How is that remotely possible? The guy was a douchebag the entire time! Has Luntz done his focus group yet?

changer1701 on October 11, 2012 at 10:57 PM

It’s the Raddatz effect. When you throw softballs to Biden every single time, he’s bound to score a few homers.

And when you interrupt Ryan when he’s trying to finish a thought, he’s not going to come across as winning.

This was criminal bias. The naysayers owe Tucker Carlson an apology. Right now.

KingGold on October 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Aw, crap.

KingGold on October 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM

I disregard that poll as well as the one that had Ryan winning.

I watched the CNN tracker and use Ann Althouse as the “middle of the road” non-partisan voter.

Ryan won both of those. In reality though, it was Biden who drove them away.

cozmo on October 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Sister Toldjah @sistertoldjah

Yes!! RT @seanspicer: Cnbc poll Who do you think won the VP Debate? Paul Ryan

JPeterman on October 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM

People who don’t follow politics closely had to be wondering what was wrong with Joe Biden..?

d1carter on October 11, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Good observation. I need to step back. Actually, I’m reading a listening to those who do not normally engage.

I knew Biden would be a bully, and it occurred to me that there would be a natural affinity for the new guy, Ryan.

The election does not hinge on the VP choice, but I think Ryan is so outstanding that I tend to feel somewhat protective for once in my life. I suspect that there are others who feel the same way.

Cody1991 on October 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM

CK said what we’re saying.

If you read the transcript, a draw.

If you listened on the radio, Biden won.

If you watched on TV, Biden lost. Not Ryan won, but Biden lost. Manly rash he was talking to you.

Like I said, libs are going to love this but Biden painted himself into a corner in a loit of areas. ten bucks says the intelligence community starts to open a can of worms in information on Benghazi for these incompetent idiots.

hawkdriver on October 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM

No clear winner or loser. Just a stark contrast in style and demeanor.

Bmore on October 11, 2012 at 11:00 PM

I think a lot of you will know what i’m talking about. biden reminded me of that monkey that sits up with a big grin on its face and banging the cymbals, mechanical monkey, i think. I’m not sure but i think it was in one of the ‘little rascal’ movies. If someone knows and can find it, put it on the internet and youtube. A perfect example of biden the monkey!

boogieboy on October 11, 2012 at 11:00 PM

My stupid friends had at least six times that Ryan crashed in mid-sentence or their brains did!

I’m surprised Ryan got 19%.

You gotta aim for the dumb and/or ignorant.

IlikedAUH2O on October 11, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Smirking, or not, Joe did his hit job. All those polls everyone has been m-bating over for a week mean squat.

Limerick on October 11, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Sean Spicer ✔ @seanspicer

Cnn dial test showed Ryan at top with men and women, very turned off by biden smirks, interuptions

JPeterman on October 11, 2012 at 11:00 PM

We have to keep the nuclear football away from Joe Biden. :-(

Punchenko on October 11, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Amen.To.That.

Shiver.

MichaelGabriel on October 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Bmore on October 11, 2012 at 10:58 PM

lol! Cultist Broadcasting Network!

thatsafactjack on October 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Besides, I’m familiar with Gaffemeister JB’s style.

ManlyRash on October 11, 2012 at 10:57 PM

If you watch the replay on TV, you’ll come away thinking that BiteMe outdid himself in the extreme tonight. You shouldn’t miss the creepy grin.

PatriotGal2257 on October 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM

hawkdriver on October 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM

I agree with you.

However, nobody agrees with me.

IlikedAUH2O on October 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Biden was his usual, obnoxious, rude and disrespectful self. Goofy facial expressions and that whiny, strained voice was off-putting.

Ryan got by far the best laugh line talking about what sometimes comes out of Joe’s mouth. Like that lame attempt to pull a Lloyd Bentsen, “Oh, so now you’re Jack Kennedy.” Weaksauce, Joey.

One interesting part was when Biden started getting angry with Raddatz–I thought he was going to bite her head of for a second.

Ryan momentarily became emotional talking about his buddy in Afghanistan. Powerful.

Ryan won just by staying normal and serious.

Christien on October 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Ryan only did well in last ten minutes. He failed to beat back Biden’s interruptions and condescending attitude. Ben Bradlee’s daughter played Ryan for a fool-she let Biden run roughshod while Ryan was trying to answer. However, Ol Joe’s demeanor with his laughing, arrogance, scorn and rudeness may have nullified his advantange

wraithby on October 11, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Didn’t realize she was Ben Bradlee’s daughter. Explains all. Knew she was in the tank for Obama, who was at her wedding, but thought the surfacing of that ahead of time might neutralize her a bit. Now, I understand it was a pipe dream.

But, agree that Biden’s demeanor nullified that advantage.

A draw, plus VP debates are about as important as VP responsibilities, nothing at all.

TXUS on October 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Why was the moderator debating against Ryan too?

southernms on October 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Yeah, good question. She also kept stopping Ryan as he was making points and allowed Biden to go on and on. It was like 2 against one.

Twitchy seems to be showing a lot of tweets about Biden’s creepy smirk.
http://twitchy.com/2012/10/11/why-so-serious-bidens-debate-grimace-creeps-out-angers-viewers/

JellyToast on October 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM

because she and 0bama go back over two decades. This is despicable.

freedomfirst on October 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM

CBS uncommitted voters: Who won? Biden: 50%, Ryan: 31%, tie=19%

WisCon on October 11, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Online “Poll”, correct?

Del Dolemonte on October 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM

No clear winner or loser. Just a stark contrast in style and demeanor.

Bmore on October 11, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Yep, bitter old man v. turnaround guy with “America is exceptionable” ideas.

cozmo on October 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Ryan was competent, concise (mostly), occasionally funny, human and polite throughout.

Biden came off like a complete jackass. His tag line from this debate: “He gets 40, I get 15.” Little Joe needed to be sent to sit in the corner in the 2nd grade classroom.

Raddatz was obviously on Biden’s side in terms of body language and handling the “debate.” Ryan still got most of his points across.

I don’t think either guy made headway with undecideds who didn’t already agree with them.

J.E. Dyer on October 11, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Laura in Maryland on October 11, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Thanks…!

*clinky!*

Seven Percent Solution on October 11, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Keith Appell @keithcrc

Undecided voter on CNN calls Biden a “buffoon”
Retweeted by Guy Benson

LOL

JPeterman on October 11, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Disagree with Kraut. Everyone with an ear to politics has already made up their mind for a candidate. The undecided voter wasn’t going to be swayed by any of this policy-in-the-weeds rhetoric, so like in the Bush-Gore debate, it was all about likability, and Biden was painfully unlikable and characteristically greasy.

This will go to Ryan…I am going to ignore the debate polls and watch the election polls.

Jaibones on October 11, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Spoke with a few folks I know who are not very into politics, but watch the debates. Most of them think Biden is an a$$hole, and not much of what he says sounds very convincing. Their opinion of Ryan was that he was professional, and seems to be articulate on the issues.

Hard to pick a winner on that basis, unless you tend to vote for the guy you think is more professional or the guy who is more of an a$$shole.

The average person will look at Biden’s demeanor in this debate and be turned off. He came off like an a$$hole. The only people who liked that were the hard lefties who wanted someone to be an a$$hole to Ryan.

In the end this debate won’t matter because there are two more that matter a whole lot more.

goflyers on October 11, 2012 at 11:02 PM

The D’s think Biben won because he wasn’t quit as bad as Obama.

Tater Salad on October 11, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Limerick on October 11, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Bless your heart.

cozmo on October 11, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Luntz focus group coming up on Hannity.

predator on October 11, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Shaun Kenney @svkenney

Stat of the night: Joe Biden interrupted Paul Ryan 96 times. Paul Ryan interrupted Joe Biden 6 times. (Insert Biden laugh here.) #VPDebates

JPeterman on October 11, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Even thought Biden’s Catholic credibility was non-existent, the CNN meter seemed to indicate that people agreed with him not opposing his views on others. The weird things is that I don’t think Romney is a radical right to life person, I think it is more a nod to the base.

Cindy Munford on October 11, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Frank luntz in OH with his focus group.

Laura in Maryland on October 11, 2012 at 11:04 PM

I loved the words “loose talk” most of all from Biden!

IlikedAUH2O on October 11, 2012 at 11:04 PM

My facebook all talking about how rude Biden was. One guy said – I think he needs a time out.

Lots of people shut it off.

gophergirl on October 11, 2012 at 11:04 PM

I wish Ryan would have called Biden on some of the garbage he was spewing just to shut him up. Especially when Biden said troops were part of the “47%” that didnt pay taxes and Romney didnt care about him.

Elchasebo on October 11, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Heh… By coincidence, “Cujo” was playing on AMC during the pseudo debate….

People flipping back and forth between the debate and the movie got confused as to which was which.

LegendHasIt on October 11, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Biden was smirking like a chip all night.

rickyricardo on October 11, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Bless your heart.

cozmo on October 11, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Thanks. Badge of honor and all that.

Limerick on October 11, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Hair Plugs Biden, aside from driving me insane with his snickering and annoying noises when Ryan was speaking, was a lying pretentious snarklefark
Slainte on October 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM

very accurate

I’ve truly never felt more loathing sprinkled with pity for another human being, except Barry, than I do for Hair Plugs.
Slainte on October 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Just like Al Gore. I give Biden a handicap for his extreme age, whereas Gore had no excuse

I was having Gore flashbacks

entagor on October 11, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Who watches CBS?

Charlemagne

I’m guessing at least 50 million tonight.

xblade on October 11, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Luntz’s OH undecided voters: all the women hated Biden.

Jaibones on October 11, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Steelers back in the lead! 20-16, 13:39 left 4th quarter

22044 on October 11, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Annnnd Biden kills the wimmenz vote as per Luntz` group.

NY Conservative on October 11, 2012 at 11:06 PM

I’m wondering if Biden’s demeanor and the negative reaction will hamper Obama’s ability to be aggressive at the next debate.

Mark1971 on October 11, 2012 at 11:06 PM

No objective reporting here, instead the LSM belied the wad of Joe’s tighty whities, while collectively sniffing his skid marks.

OkieDoc on October 11, 2012 at 11:06 PM

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