Angry old man yells at Paul Ryan for 90 minutes; Update: CNN insta-poll of undecideds shows tie; Update: Ryan wins CNN insta-poll overall, 48/44

posted at 10:54 pm on October 11, 2012 by Allahpundit

I expected “table-pounding atmospherics” from Biden but I didn’t expect him to act like a total jackhole for fully 90 minutes. Give him credit for knowing his target audience, though: His task tonight was to get the left excited again after Obama fell into a semi-coma in Denver, and evincing utter disdain for Ryan — grimacing, shouting, laughing inappropriately, constantly interrupting, the total jackhole experience — is just what the doctor ordered. He might have irritated independents and undecideds, but probably not so much that it’ll change people’s votes. The Democrats needed someone to go out there and clown for liberals, and if there’s one thing this guy knows, it’s clowning.

Here’s a taste of what I mean via Mediaite, centered around one of Ryan’s more cutting lines of the evening. For what it’s worth, the media lost patience with Biden’s shtick too, but I doubt that’ll cost him anything tomorrow. And yes, needless to say, Raddatz was also terrible. Exit quotation from Greg Gutfeld: “Biden is the drunk at the bar; Martha is the unhappy bartender, and Ryan is the unfortunate salesman caught in the middle.”

Update: I’m waiting on the insta-polls, but in the meantime here’s an early candidate for the media’s consensus post-debate buzzword for Biden’s boorish performance: “Passion.”

Update: According to CNN, among the voters who really matter, it was a push:

CBS’s insta-poll had it 50/31 for Biden, although both candidates gained ground among undecideds. A CNBC website poll, meanwhile, had Ryan winning 56/36.

Update: Like I said, the jackhole approach works like a charm with its target audience. For others, eh, not so much:

Update: Some good news after an irritating night. Within the margin of error, but we’ll take it:

Update: That about sums it up:

Update: Via the Examiner, the setting and music reveal Joe Biden’s true calling: He would have been amazing as a regular on “Match Game.”

Update: Brand new from the RNC:


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I was going to watch the debate, but decided that I didn’t need to. Instead I watched Thursday Night Football.

My hunch was right in that my suspicions were confirmed by comments here and elsewhere, and all over YouTube about how this “debate” would go down.

I know who I am voting for this election, and it ain’t for Team 0.

TKindred on October 12, 2012 at 8:04 AM

The surest sign that Biden won is that the right-wing echo chamber has been reduced whining “but he was so meeeean to little Paulie.”

Apparently Ryan is not ready to run with the big dogs. Fortunately, he’ll be back playing with the puppies soon enough.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:04 AM

rogerb on October 12, 2012 at 7:55 AM

Yes, and I was watching the debate again at the gym this morning, and the people around me also commented on how Biden was laughing and making all those funny faces. Paul Ryan ended up looking serious and presidential. After last week, the Obama campaign really needed a strong showing from Biden in order to stop Romney’s surge. Guess what, they didn’t get it.

bluegill on October 12, 2012 at 8:05 AM

You guys are coming of as sore losers.
After your post-Romney debate win high…this is all it takes to unravel you?
Biden did what he was supposed to do. And for the most part did it well.
Ryan didn’t. He didn’t lose as bad as Obama did, but he did lose.

verbaluce on October 12, 2012 at 7:55 AM

CNN poll, 48-44 Ryan won.

Deal.

fossten on October 12, 2012 at 8:05 AM

You guys are coming of as sore losers.
After your post-Romney debate win high…this is all it takes to unravel you?
Biden did what he was supposed to do. And for the most part did it well.
Ryan didn’t. He didn’t lose as bad as Obama did, but he did lose.

verbaluce on October 12, 2012 at 7:55 AM

Ryan lost? Really? Who is saying that other than supporters of the rat-eared coward??? I’d say the post-debate spin is predictable. Nothing more and nothing less.

My own spin is that I really would like to know why Biden had that creepy child predator smile on his face while Ryan was talking about dead ambassadors.

Happy Nomad on October 12, 2012 at 8:06 AM

hillsoftx on October 12, 2012 at 8:01 AM

Wasn’t the reason the boy king chose Biden as his VP was because he was a “foreign policy expert?”

Flora Duh on October 12, 2012 at 8:06 AM

The surest sign that Biden won is that the right-wing echo chamber has been reduced whining “but he was so meeeean to little Paulie.”

Apparently Ryan is not ready to run with the big dogs. Fortunately, he’ll be back playing with the puppies soon enough.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Weak sauce. Allahpundit’s analysis is far more coherent than yours. Keep throwing those wild assertions around, though. It will be fun to requote them when your empty suit brigade gets sent back to Chicago in November.

fossten on October 12, 2012 at 8:07 AM

I can’t imagine all the so-called “undecided” that all these networks can gather. The people must live in an alternate universe or work in as mushroom house only coming out every 8 months to wipe the manure off themselves and see if there is still a sun in the galaxy!

They certainly are oblivious to what is going on in the world and their own country. Sad our citizenry has decayed to that level.

wepeople on October 12, 2012 at 8:08 AM

Apparently Ryan is not ready to run with the big dogs. Fortunately, he’ll be back playing with the puppies soon enough.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Unfortunately, the polls after the debate seem to show that Ryan won. Not sure what echo chamber you are listening to. Ryan won the debate, we are talking about what an imbecile Biden is and how much great commercial fodder he gave us.

Monkeytoe on October 12, 2012 at 8:08 AM

You guys are coming of as sore losers.
After your post-Romney debate win high…this is all it takes to unravel you?
Biden did what he was supposed to do. And for the most part did it well.
Ryan didn’t. He didn’t lose as bad as Obama did, but he did lose.

verbaluce on October 12, 2012 at 7:55 AM

If Biden cannot be truthful regarding his votes to send American’s into harms way, does it really matter what else he has to say.

You’re applauding his PERFORMANCE, not what he actually said. In doing so, you’re condoning the rude and condescending attitude he employed. If you are OK with that, fine. But do not be upset if it’s used against your guy.
It is unfortunate that such antics are applauded and encouraged. This attitude will reduce the value of the debates. We as citizens will be the ultimate losers.

Jabberwock on October 12, 2012 at 8:09 AM

The surest sign that Biden won is that the…
urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Unfortunately for you, the only people who would try to suggest that Biden won last night are left wing partisans. Polls show that voters know that Paul Ryan won and see Paul Ryan as vastly more likable. It was a bad night for the Obama campaign. This was their one big shot to stop the Obama’s continued erosion of voter support? You almost have to feel bad for them.

bluegill on October 12, 2012 at 8:11 AM

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Monkeytoe on October 12, 2012 at 8:08 AM

Anyone who thinks that Biden did anything other than further damage the Dem ticket with his Grampa A$$hole act is utterly deluding themselves.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on October 12, 2012 at 8:13 AM

You’re applauding his PERFORMANCE, not what he actually said. In doing so, you’re condoning the rude and condescending attitude he employed.

Jabberwock on October 12, 2012 at 8:09 AM

Jabberwock,

You’ve got to understand that the left wanted Biden to be a rude jackass. They were cheering every interruption, every creepy smirk, every bit of uncivil behavior. Verbaluce was watching the debate in full cheerleader outfit complete with pom poms.

Happy Nomad on October 12, 2012 at 8:14 AM

ou guys are coming of as sore losers.
After your post-Romney debate win high…this is all it takes to unravel you?
Biden did what he was supposed to do. And for the most part did it well.
Ryan didn’t. He didn’t lose as bad as Obama did, but he did lose.

verbaluce on October 12, 2012 at 7:55 AM

That is truly delusional. What echo chamber is telling you that Biden won? Or that he “did what he needed to do”? If what he needed to do was get lefties like you back on board, then sure, he did what he needed to do. That, however, shows how bad the campaign is going for Obama/Biden, that this far into the campaign and this close to election day, they need to shore up their base.

Sad and delusional.

Monkeytoe on October 12, 2012 at 8:14 AM

The surest sign that Biden won is that the right-wing echo chamber has been reduced whining “but he was so meeeean to little Paulie.”

Apparently Ryan is not ready to run with the big dogs. Fortunately, he’ll be back playing with the puppies soon enough.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Biden’s performance confirmed to the public that politicians are a&&holes.
You call that winning ?

Jabberwock on October 12, 2012 at 8:16 AM

That is truly delusional. What echo chamber is telling you that Biden won? Or that he “did what he needed to do”? If what he needed to do was get lefties like you back on board, then sure, he did what he needed to do. That, however, shows how bad the campaign is going for Obama/Biden, that this far into the campaign and this close to election day, they need to shore up their base.

Sad and delusional.

Monkeytoe on October 12, 2012 at 8:14 AM

Exactly correct. If Biden clowning was necessary to shore up the base, Obama has really let this thing get away from him.

fossten on October 12, 2012 at 8:18 AM

Biden could be president…nuff said.
tomas on October 12, 2012 at 7:15 AM

*shudder*

Cleombrotus on October 12, 2012 at 8:18 AM

verbaldouche and urban insect are clearly pumped up by joe’s non-debating technique. That is who that performance was for-moonbats/hatemongers.

Wonder what excuses they will come up with when it backfires?

Hard Right on October 12, 2012 at 8:18 AM

I would have more respect for some of these Obama worshipers who comment here if they would be honest more often. The fact that they can’t even admit that Biden made a fool of himself and did more harm than good to the Obama campaign last night tells me everything I need to know about their credibility. We all know they don’t believe what they are saying.

bluegill on October 12, 2012 at 8:20 AM

Or maybe they do believe it, in which case I only feel sorry for them.

bluegill on October 12, 2012 at 8:21 AM

bluegill, it’s all about spewing their hatred at us. Think about it. They don’t come here to debate, just insult. How sick and pathetic is someone that goes to the opponents site just to do that? What a miserable existence.

Hard Right on October 12, 2012 at 8:22 AM

Biden showed himself to be the fool he is, and the President a fool for having a fool running mate.

gracie on October 12, 2012 at 8:24 AM

Unfortunately, the polls after the debate seem to show that Ryan won. Not sure what echo chamber you are listening to. Ryan won the debate, we are talking about what an imbecile Biden is and how much great commercial fodder he gave us.

Monkeytoe on October 12, 2012 at 8:08 AM

Biden did what he had to do. Stopped the bleeding, called ‘BS’ loudly and clearly on key R2 proposals, made Ryan look a little in over his head, energized the base, changed the media story until, at least, the next debate. A technical win, but win.

The funniest thing, though, is that you’re now whining about the same elbows-out debate style that you thought was so wonderful when the top of your ticket played that way.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:25 AM

66% are dirt stupid

tomas on October 12, 2012 at 8:26 AM

Hard Right on October 12, 2012 at 8:22 AM

You are right. By the way, I discovered that one of the frequent commenters here who pretends to be a conservative while bashing Romney also posts under a different name at HuffingtonPost and promotes Obama endlessly there. The same comments (almost word for word) at the same time were posted both here and at the Huffington Post. Just wanted to let you guys know that your suspicions about some people were correct. I didn’t want to start throwing names out there because I understand that we can be banned for revealing identities, but just know that people here who constantly bash Romney and claim to be a conservative probably aren’t telling you guys the truth.

bluegill on October 12, 2012 at 8:28 AM

Biden did what he had to do. Stopped the bleeding, called ‘BS’ loudly and clearly on key R2 proposals, made Ryan look a little in over his head, energized the base, changed the media story until, at least, the next debate. A technical win, but win.
The funniest thing, though, is that you’re now whining about the same elbows-out debate style that you thought was so wonderful when the top of your ticket played that way.
urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:25 AM

“And because they refuse to believe the truth, God gave them over to a base mind…”

Romans 1:28

Cleombrotus on October 12, 2012 at 8:29 AM

The funniest thing, though, is that you’re now whining about the same elbows-out debate style that you thought was so wonderful when the top of your ticket played that way.urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:25 AM

Keep pushing that string.

Jabberwock on October 12, 2012 at 8:33 AM

Good thing we dodged the Palin chick last time around. /s

Buck_Nekkid on October 12, 2012 at 8:33 AM

The surest sign that Biden won is that the right-wing echo chamber has been reduced whining “but he was so meeeean to little Paulie.”

No one’s feeling bad for Ryan. He knew what he was up against and handled it in a very presidential manner. We’re embarrassed at our Vice President laughing about dead Americans in Benghazi, lying about his votes and throwing the Intelligence Community and State Department under the bus.

Apparently Ryan is not ready to run with the big dogs. Fortunately, he’ll be back playing with the puppies soon enough.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Mrs. Hawkdriver called it on the telephone last night. “Do liberals really want a man like biden as president? What is wrong with those people?”

hawkdriver on October 12, 2012 at 8:34 AM

“Did what he had to do” was most definitely on the talking points memo from DNC/Team Barky. You see the trolls here, I heard it all morning on Morning Joe, even saw it on the Puff Ho & DUmmies.

Of course anyone with a functioning brain saw Joe SanduskyBiden’s creepy smile creepy laugh and the exagerated mannerisms where all meant to do one thing only, light a fire under depressed liberals. He/they underestimated the result to indies & undecided voters.

D-fusit on October 12, 2012 at 8:35 AM

Jabberwock,

You’ve got to understand that the left wanted Biden to be a rude jackass. They were cheering every interruption, every creepy smirk, every bit of uncivil behavior. Verbaluce was watching the debate in full cheerleader outfit complete with pom poms.

Happy Nomad on October 12, 2012 at 8:14 AM

Well, they got what they wanted. See UE and Verbaluce. Doesn’t look like it will help them much. But, if they are happy, well, let ‘em run with it.

Jabberwock on October 12, 2012 at 8:36 AM

A technical win, but win.

The funniest thing, though, is that you’re now whining about the same elbows-out debate style that you thought was so wonderful when the top of your ticket played that way.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:25 AM

I don’t remember any comments were a commenter here was saying theat they were proud that Romney lied about his vote on sending Americans to war. I can’t remember a single mention about how proud someone was because Romney laughed at every utterance from obama.

biden just stuck up the place with his clown act and lies.

Did he vote to send the troops to war or not?

hawkdriver on October 12, 2012 at 8:38 AM

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:25 AM

You are not going to be happy when you see what the effects are from last night’s debate. Biden told a big fat lie about Libya, and that is not what Obama needed right now. Biden’s strange behavior and smiling is going to be the least of your worries. Brace yourself, because voter support is going to continue moving in Romney’s direction.

bluegill on October 12, 2012 at 8:38 AM

Apparently Ryan is not ready to run with the big dogs. Fortunately, he’ll be back playing with the puppies soon enough.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Unlike your boy in da White House, he won’t be eating them any time soon.

tom daschle concerned on October 12, 2012 at 8:38 AM

The funniest thing, though, is that you’re now whining about the same elbows-out debate style that you thought was so wonderful when the top of your ticket played that way.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:25 AM

Obama spoke for three full minutes more than Romney.

EPIC fail.

fossten on October 12, 2012 at 8:38 AM

stunk up the place

hawkdriver on October 12, 2012 at 8:39 AM

You guys are coming of as sore losers.
After your post-Romney debate win high…this is all it takes to unravel you?
Biden did what he was supposed to do. And for the most part did it well.
Ryan didn’t. He didn’t lose as bad as Obama did, but he did lose.

verbaluce on October 12, 2012 at 7:55 AM

Are having what Biden was having??? Which is mystery yet… last I checked Ryan won the CNN poll and the nbc/cnbc one and even the crazies on the Dem side say that each of them did what they had to for their own base. Go impersonate someone/something else, political analysts ain’t your calling. Only a bunch of cretin democrats can see this cacklong Biden kook as winning this debate, the man is certifiable.

jimver on October 12, 2012 at 8:39 AM

The funniest thing, though, is that you’re now whining about the same elbows-out debate style that you thought was so wonderful when the top of your ticket played that way.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:25 AM

Go ahead and put together the video of Mitt laughing and demeaning the opponent, it will last about .5 seconds…

Pal, this is why we laugh at liberals, why you guys are the jesters on HotAir, you can’t get simple, basic, fundamental, analysis even correct…and the amazing part, is not that, but that you are not embarrassed by you lack of intellect, knowledge, you are completely unaware of how foolish you are, it’s sooooo cute.

Hey look at how Mitt made fun of Obama…look how he laughed at all of his answers, how he interrupted Obama, look, don’t you see it? I do..duhhhhh!!!

right2bright on October 12, 2012 at 8:39 AM

‘Are you having’ that is…

jimver on October 12, 2012 at 8:40 AM

The “did what he had to do” meme is interesting.
The inference is that he did NOT win, but rather “did what he had to do”
If that is the best one can say, it’s not saying much.

Jabberwock on October 12, 2012 at 8:40 AM

Biden is the gift that keeps on giving. Someone needs to check on Andrew Sullivan this morning.

Ellis on October 12, 2012 at 8:40 AM

Mrs. Hawkdriver called it on the telephone last night. “Do liberals really want a man like biden as president? What is wrong with those people?”

hawkdriver on October 12, 2012 at 8:34 AM

As opposed to a diminutive weasel like Ryan?

You are not going to be happy when you see what the effects are from last night’s debate. Biden told a big fat lie about Libya, and that is not what Obama needed right now. Biden’s strange behavior and smiling is going to be the least of your worries. Brace yourself, because voter support is going to continue moving in Romney’s direction.

bluegill on October 12, 2012 at 8:38 AM

Ryan lied through his teeth about the budget, Medicare and Social Security. He’s a big talker when he’s in the House Republican Caucus, but when the world is are watching, her runs away from his “core convictions” faster than Mitt Romney in a swing state.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:42 AM

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Unlike your boy in da White House, he won’t be eating them any time soon.

tom daschle concerned on October 12, 2012 at 8:38 AM

How does obama like his hot dogs.

“With the flea collar removed, please!”

hawkdriver on October 12, 2012 at 8:42 AM

Ryan lied through his teeth about the budget, Medicare and Social Security. He’s a big talker when he’s in the House Republican Caucus, but when the world is are watching, her runs away from his “core convictions” faster than Mitt Romney in a swing state.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:42 AM

Did biden vote to send the troops to war or not?

hawkdriver on October 12, 2012 at 8:43 AM

And for the most part did it well.
Ryan didn’t. He didn’t lose as bad as Obama did, but he did lose.

verbaluce on October 12, 2012 at 7:55 AM

And the CNN poll, not a conservative org for sure, had Ryan as the winner, Ryan as more presidential (by 10 points), Ryan as more likable (by 10 points)…gee, I must have missed that MSNBC poll, or wait, they had it at a tie…once again, the liberals fail at simple analysis, it’s just beyond their ability to reason.

They confuse reason with hope…

right2bright on October 12, 2012 at 8:43 AM

The surest sign that Biden won is that the right-wing echo chamber has been reduced whining “but he was so meeeean to little Paulie.”

Apparently Ryan is not ready to run with the big dogs. Fortunately, he’ll be back playing with the puppies soon enough.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Could you do something real like explain why Biden’s temper tantrums and whining and rudeness equates with “running with the big dogs” for you?

Not sure I get it, but then you are a “liberal”.

Noelie on October 12, 2012 at 8:44 AM

The funniest thing, though, is that you’re now whining about the same elbows-out debate style that you thought was so wonderful when the top of your ticket played that way.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:25 AM

I’m no fan of Obama/Biden and so I am biased on this. I agree with you that there were interruptions in both debates by Romney and Biden and that is how they maintained control. However, I think their mannerisms in doing so were quite different and as such reflect on a greater scale the type of constituency that the respective parties play to. In the end, the facts are what they are. The country is in deep trouble. Our greatest near term enemy is our domestic fiscal issues. The thrust of the Obama agenda is to provide more and more free services to people in need and it is entirely consistent with his policies that will assure as each year passes more and more people will find themselves in need. There is no way that continuing under the Obama agenda this country can reverse this trend. I am not sure how anyone can believe otherwise.

DaveDief on October 12, 2012 at 8:45 AM

The funniest thing, though, is that you’re now whining about the same elbows-out debate style that you thought was so wonderful when the top of your ticket played that way.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:25 AM

Yeah, coz the two are so comparable…Like Romney displayed that semi-demented laughter Biden did, and the deranged and psychotic mannerism, comparing tne two is like comparing sane and certified mental.

jimver on October 12, 2012 at 8:45 AM

As opposed to a diminutive weasel like Ryan?

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:42 AM

snort, no more from you about the lack of respect for obama, right?

hawkdriver on October 12, 2012 at 8:45 AM

Ryan lied through his teeth about the budget, Medicare and Social Security. He’s a big talker when he’s in the House Republican Caucus, but when the world is are watching, her runs away from his “core convictions” faster than Mitt Romney in a swing state.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:42 AM

So now, with all of your brilliant analysis…let’s see you point out his lies…
You were so quick to point out that he was lying, it should take you about 3 minutes to list them…not enough time for you to Google, but then you already know the “lies”.

So please, you time starts now, let’s see how f’in brilliant you are, since you are so sure he “lied through his teeth”. Let’s see “big talker”…

right2bright on October 12, 2012 at 8:46 AM

The surest sign that Biden won is that the right-wing echo chamber has been reduced whining “but he was so meeeean to little Paulie.”

Apparently Ryan is not ready to run with the big dogs. Fortunately, he’ll be back playing with the puppies soon enough.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:04 AM

CNN is right wing now???

HAHHAHAHAHHA!! Such brilliant analysis…imagine, CNN a vast right wing news organization…

right2bright on October 12, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Ryan lied through his teeth about the budget, Medicare and Social Security. He’s a big talker when he’s in the House Republican Caucus, but when the world is are watching, her runs away from his “core convictions” faster than Mitt Romney in a swing state.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:42 AM

Perhaps you’ve forgotten an important point. This was the VP debates. Paul Ryan was there to talk about Mitt Romney’s ideas about the budget, Medicare, and Social Security- not the ideas he’s put forth in the past. You may call that lying but it really isn’t but if that makes you feel better that your guy was laughing about a dead sodomized ambassador, so be it.

Happy Nomad on October 12, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Apparently Ryan is not ready to run with the big dogs. Fortunately, he’ll be back playing with the puppies soon enough.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Hahah, Biden is a ‘big dog’??? An imbecilic moron cacklink like a paychopat throughout a serious debate But then shy am I surprised coming from you, you are probaly suffering from a similar type of derangement….

jimver on October 12, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Biden is going to feel really embarrassed watching this video of himself after he is voted out of office. There is no way anyone could watch himself act like that and not feel humiliated.

By the way, I loved it when Paul Ryan asked Biden if he knew what the unemployment rate was in Scranton, Pennsylvania. Biden came off so badly during that exchange. Biden seems like some kind of heckler trying to make a performer look bad, and ended up looking like a clown himself.

Paul Ryan was mature and statesman-like and presidential throughout, while the much older Biden came off like a child. The contrast was stark.

bluegill on October 12, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Ryan lied through his teeth about the budget, Medicare and Social Security. He’s a big talker when he’s in the House Republican Caucus, but when the world is are watching, her runs away from his “core convictions” faster than Mitt Romney in a swing state.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:42 AM

Biden lied about the State Department not receiving a request for protection from Benghazi. Then laughed like a chimp about four dead Americans while Ryan was trying to answer a question.

Biden lied about his vote to send Americans into harms way.

Biden lied about the state of the economy while more and more Americans are losing their jobs and receiving food stamps.

Biden lied about the 760 Billion being taken from Medicare to fund the Affordable health Care Act.

hawkdriver on October 12, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Ryan lied through his teeth about the budget, Medicare and Social Security. He’s a big talker when he’s in the House Republican Caucus, but when the world is are watching, her runs away from his “core convictions” faster than Mitt Romney in a swing state.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:42 AM

Careful there UE. If you bring up “core convictions” you may end up talking about those on your side of the fence.

Jabberwock on October 12, 2012 at 8:50 AM

HAHHAHAHAHHA!! Such brilliant analysis…imagine, CNN a vast right wing news organization…

right2bright on October 12, 2012 at 8:48 AM

HUSH! You’re blowing CNN’s cover as a left-wing propaganda machine!

Happy Nomad on October 12, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Is it possible that Biden was TRYING TO DISTRACT from what Ryan was saying?

Like a little kid when he does goofy stuff when you’re trying to pay attention to the other child talking?

PappyD61 on October 12, 2012 at 7:30 AM

I thought that was his whole intent. Gore pulled the same kind of childish, disruptive crap in his first debate with GWB.

Normal adults just don’t carry on like that. Anyone who would applaud such bad manners has screw, or 2, or more, loose. I see a few of them are right here in this thread!

Anti-Control on October 12, 2012 at 8:51 AM

The funniest thing, though, is that you’re now whining about the same elbows-out debate style that you thought was so wonderful when the top of your ticket played that way.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:25 AM

When did Romney act this way? Going back and forth is fine…that’s called “debating”. Someone makes a point and you counterpoint, back and forth. What he did NOT do is treat Obama with disdain, disrespect, or like a jackass. THAT is what Biden is being called on here, and the majority of exit polls/focus groups all say the same thing: Biden was an asshole of the worst kind. Sure, both his and Ryan’s command of their “facts” made them both appear that they could be Vice-President and step into the Office if it came to that. However, there was only one candidate on that stage that people LIKED last night, and that was Ryan. And remember, that’s supposed to be YOUR guys schtick, his likability. That was shot through last week by Romney, who’s “likable” status soared last week, and Ryan will continue that trend THIS week.

Ryan didn’t have to kill Biden in this debate (although sure, I think it would have been sweet if he had). What he did, though, was continue Romney’s rise in the polls. I said it last night, and I’ll say it again now: this was a bad night for Obama. While Biden was playing to his base…Ryan was free to appeal to the moderate/undecided/middle-ground voters that will win this election. Romney started it last week by destroying the “media narrative” that Obama had tried to blast him with. Ryan continued the appeal THIS week, while Biden was left pandering to his base. That’s NOT a good place for the Obama campaign to be in with less than a month to go to the election.

I think it also won’t help the Obama campaign in areas when people realize that Biden…although saying it with complete authority IN the debate…flat out lied on several occasions. I don’t mean about differences of opinion on matters of policy. I mean LYING (“no more security was requested for the consulate”, “I voted against both wars because they would be too expensive”, etc.). The American people can take assholery…what they don’t stand for is being mislead/lied to. It will come back to bite the Obama campaign in the behind, and I think we will continue to see Romney gain in the polls through Tuesday because of it.

Highlar on October 12, 2012 at 8:52 AM

HAHHAHAHAHHA!! Such brilliant analysis…imagine, CNN a vast right wing news organization…

right2bright on October 12, 2012 at 8:48 AM

HUSH! You’re blowing CNN’s cover as a left-wing propaganda machine!

Happy Nomad on October 12, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Looool :) UE is i toxictaed with the same substances that they out in Biden drink before the debate…

jimver on October 12, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Intoxicated that is

jimver on October 12, 2012 at 8:53 AM

—CNN:
Forty-eight percent of those surveyed said Ryan fared better in the vice-presidential debate, compared with 44 percent for Biden, according to results aired on CNN after the event concluded. The results were within the survey’s five-percentage- point margin of error.
—NBC:
Ryan was declared the winner over Biden by 63 percent to 31 percent in a poll of 534 uncommitted voters conducted by NBC News after the debate. Fifty-six percent thought Biden would be an effective president if necessary, compared with Fifty-four percent for Ryan, according to the CBS poll.
—CNBC:
According to a tweet from CNBC’s verified Twitter account, an after-debate poll shows Ryan crushing Biden 56 – 36% [POLL RESULTS] Who do you think won the VP Debate? Paul Ryan: 56%, Joe Biden: 36%, Neither: 8

Look, CNN, NBC, CNBC are all right wing puppets…..

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That’s how f’in brillian our resident liberals are, even when faced with face, the trudge on with their talking points…hey, maybe Bush manipulated the polls…

Yahooo!!! Liberals on a rampage!! Wasserman and Cutter…what video?? It was Romney/Ryan that killed our ambassador…

right2bright on October 12, 2012 at 8:53 AM

I alway thought that obama stood alone in the unlikabilty factor. After joes performance last night he is giviving him a run for the money. I do think his performance will help Romney in the next debate. Bidens performance will increasingly leave a sour taste in voters mouth over the next week and Mitt will be prepared for similar treatment by obama and the moderator. And
Obama may have to moderate his aggressiveness as bidens performance is increasingly viewed negatively.

Caseoftheblues on October 12, 2012 at 8:54 AM

bluegill, thanks for the confirmation. What’s funny is that it shows even the left knows they cannot win on substance.

Hard Right on October 12, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Clint Eastwood was prophetic: Obama was an empty chair, and Biden was Just kind of a grin with a body behind it.

bluesman on October 12, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Mrs. Hawkdriver called it on the telephone last night. “Do liberals really want a man like biden as president? What is wrong with those people?”

hawkdriver on October 12, 2012 at 8:34 AM

It’s indisputable that they received inadequate parenting, for starters.

Anti-Control on October 12, 2012 at 8:55 AM

America was treated to nonstop MARLARKEY last night from their sitting Vice President.

PAST TIME FOR A REAL CHANGE.

Stepan on October 12, 2012 at 8:55 AM

So now, with all of your brilliant analysis…let’s see you point out his lies…
You were so quick to point out that he was lying, it should take you about 3 minutes to list them…not enough time for you to Google, but then you already know the “lies”.

So please, you time starts now, let’s see how f’in brilliant you are, since you are so sure he “lied through his teeth”. Let’s see “big talker”…

right2bright on October 12, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Well Urban, it’s been about 10 minutes and you haven’t come up with any “lies”…so the talking points forgot to include some of those “facts” did they…maybe around noon you will get to Google something, somewhere…

But thanks for playing, for playing the fool you are…next time come armed with facts, not with talking points you little chimp.

You are like the monkey on the end of the organ grinders chain, he cranks the music and you dance…dance you little monkey, dance…

right2bright on October 12, 2012 at 8:56 AM

And Urban Elitist slinks away in shame…his talking points missed the target, and he was made the fool…

right2bright on October 12, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Ninety minutes of self-restraint, I would have cold cocked him at minute five.

nimrod on October 12, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Ryan lied through his teeth about the budget, Medicare and Social Security.

urban elitist on October 12, 2012 at 8:42 AM

“They got caught with their hands in the cookie jar, turning Medicare into a piggybank for Obamacare.” — Ryan

“What we did is, we saved $716 billion and put it back, applied it to Medicare.” — Biden

Washington Post Fact Checker:

Ryan accused the Obama administration of using Medicare as a “piggy bank” but this is a much more complicated story.

This $700 billion figure comes from the difference over 10 years (2013-2022) between anticipated Medicare spending (what is known as “the baseline”) and the changes that the law makes to reduce spending. The savings mostly are wrung from health-care providers, not Medicare beneficiaries — who, as a result of the health-care law, ended up with new benefits for preventive care and prescription drugs. (Some argue that those provider cuts will eventually result in poorer patient care — see next fact check.)

But Biden is completely wrong when he says the money was applied to Medicare. In fact, the anticipated savings from Medicare were used to help offset some of the anticipated costs of expanding health care for all Americans, as Ryan said.

But the transfer does not affect the Medicare trust fund. The Obama health-care law also raised Medicare payroll taxes by $318 billion over the new 10-year time frame, but only a third of that money is credited to the trust fund; the rest goes to general revenues.

Ryan, as House Budget Committee chairman, probably knows he’s playing a rhetorical game here. (We’re not sure what Biden was thinking.) Federal budget accounting is so complex that it is easy to mislead ordinary Americans — a tactic used by both parties.

Ryan is correct that in the health-care bill, the anticipated savings from Medicare were used to help offset some of the anticipated costs of expanding health care for all Americans. But all government money is fungible.

Under the concept of the unified budget, money that is collected by the federal government for whatever purpose (such as Medicare and Social Security payroll taxes) is spent on whatever bills are coming due at that time. Social Security and Medicare will get a credit for taxes collected that are not immediately spent on Social Security, but those taxes are quickly devoted to other federal spending.

The House Republican budget plan crafted by Ryan retains virtually all of the Medicare “cuts” contained in the health-care law, but diverts them instead to his Medicare overhaul. Republicans argue that that is a more effective use of the savings.

“Their own actuary from the administration came to Congress and said one out of six hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business as a result of this.” — Ryan

“That’s not what they said.” — Biden

Ryan is right, and Biden is wrong.

Washington Post Fact Checker:

“It is doubtful that many [hospitals and other health care providers] will be able to improve their own productivity to the degree” necessary to accommodate the cuts, Medicare actuary Richard S. Foster has written. “Thus, providers for whom Medicare constitutes a substantial portion of their business could find it difficult to remain profitable, and, absent legislative intervention, might end their participation in the program (possibly jeopardizing care for beneficiaries. [Our] simulations…suggest that roughly 15 percent of [hospitalization] providers would become unprofitable within the 10-year projection as a result of the [spending cuts].”

Last time we checked, 15 percent is just shy of “one out six” (16.67 percent) .

“The middle class will pay less, and people making a million dollars or more will begin to contribute slightly more.” — Biden

Washington Post Fact Checker:

In describing the administration’s tax plan, Biden appeared to have moved the goal posts. The president has consistently said he would roll back Bush-era tax cuts for couples making more than $250,000 and individuals making more than $200,000.

Flora Duh on October 12, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Joe Biden laughed about our ambassador and other Americans being killed in a terrorist attack. The man is sick. He needs to go.

The Obama-Biden campaign cares more about attacking political opponents than they do about American victims of Islamic terrorism. Heck, Obama can’t even utter the words “Islamic terrorism” because he doesn’t want to offend the jihadists. It is not hard to see why so many people who gave Obama the benefit of the doubt in 2008 are not voting for him this year.

bluegill on October 12, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Mrs. Hawkdriver called it on the telephone last night. “Do liberals really want a man like biden as president? What is wrong with those people?”

hawkdriver on October 12, 2012 at 8:34 AM

It’s indisputable that they received inadequate parenting, for starters.

Anti-Control on October 12, 2012 at 8:55 AM

I don’t get the hate. Obama called for them to get in our face. Bring a knife bring a gun. WTH? And then the lunitics here someone think biden eeked out a win by being rude and lying?

Hoping for another Change.

hawkdriver on October 12, 2012 at 9:01 AM

NEW YORK (AP) — This time, they didn’t need Big Bird.

Because really, who needed a “Sesame Street” character to grab all the post-debate attention when there was Joe Biden’s smile- or laugh, chuckle, grimace, grin, smirk, or “goofy face,” according to various descriptions?

Biden has become a cartoon character…

right2bright on October 12, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Going into the debate, Obama said, “Joe just needs to be Joe.”

On that point, he was successful.

Droopy on October 12, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Because really, who needed a “Sesame Street” character to grab all the post-debate attention when there was Joe Biden’s smile- or laugh, chuckle, grimace, grin, smirk, or “goofy face,” according to various descriptions?

Biden has become a cartoon character…
right2bright on October 12, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Biden has always reminded me of a Muppet, but without the lovability. There’s just something horribly wrong and unsettling about the way his face looks and how his mouth moves when he smiles and talks. It’s bizarre. His kooky, melodramatic, non-statesman-like behavior only makes it worse.

bluegill on October 12, 2012 at 9:14 AM

“When a wise man debates a fool, the fool rages and laughs, and there is no peace and quiet”

Proverbs 29:9

claudius on October 12, 2012 at 9:15 AM

You’ve got to understand that the left wanted Biden to be a rude jackass. They were cheering every interruption, every creepy smirk, every bit of uncivil behavior. Verbaluce was watching the debate in full cheerleader outfit complete with pom poms.

Happy Nomad on October 12, 2012 at 8:14 AM

Alinsky tactics, mock and ridicule your opponent

Rio Linda Refugee on October 12, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Thought Ryan went toe to toe pretty well with the bona fide DC relic almost twice his age. Thought he came across as very knowledgeable and confident. His answers contained dignified substance and he demonstrated respect and refreshing humility before the American voter.

That said, I think Biden fulfilled the role of the VP as attack dog to rally the rude, obnoxious, thuggish base (but clearly, he overdid it and I’m glad Ryan called him out on the pressure or “duress” he was under to make ground following Obama’s catastrophic debate last week), but had NO specifics at all on how the economy would improve under a second Obama term. Very key. Raddatz was very hands off on Biden in this respect.

Ryan didn’t press on Libya (disappointing) and ceded too much ground to Biden and Raddatz (who clearly showed bias). Liberal candidates and Liberal, sympathetic moderators will usually work in concert to shut down or throw off the GOP candidate.

We saw what happens last week when the moderator stays out of the way and our candidates go Lincoln-Douglas on the Libs.

Ryan definitely could’ve been more aggressive. VP candidates aren’t as constrained as presidential ones.

RepubChica on October 12, 2012 at 9:24 AM

And yes, needless to say, Raddatz was also terrible. – Allahpundit

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I think Raddatz would have ruined even the Lincoln – Douglas debates.

diogenes on October 12, 2012 at 9:24 AM

You’ve got to understand that the left wanted Biden to be a rude jackass. They were cheering every interruption, every creepy smirk, every bit of uncivil behavior. Verbaluce was watching the debate in full cheerleader outfit complete with pom poms.

Happy Nomad on October 12, 2012 at 8:14 AM

Alinsky tactics, mock and ridicule your opponent

Rio Linda Refugee on October 12, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Pretty sure even Alinski meant subtler forms of ridicule than a demented, incessant laughter and exaggerated mannerism that are textbook psychotic behavior. Problem with Biden’s interpreation of Alinski’s rule no 5 is that you couldn’t see the ridicule from the crazy…

jimver on October 12, 2012 at 9:28 AM

What the hell was with Martha anyway? Was she sucking on a lemon the whole time or constipated sitting on a six inch hemorrhoid?

jistincase on October 12, 2012 at 9:29 AM

I saw it posted on Ace.

“When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man, The foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest.”
Proverbs 29:9

JellyToast on October 12, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Wasn’t this a reenactment of the NAFTA debate with Joe Biden playing the part of Al Gore ?

J_Crater on October 12, 2012 at 9:32 AM

I saw it posted on Ace.

“When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man, The foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest.”
Proverbs 29:9

JellyToast on October 12, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Excellent!

Here’s the New King James Version, with link…

If a wise man contends with a foolish man,
Whether the fool rages or laughs, there is no peace.

Proverbs 29:9
New King James Version (NKJV)

ITguy on October 12, 2012 at 9:34 AM

is Biden only 69 ??? He looks so fossilized, both physically and brain-freeze too…somehow I thought he’s much older than that, even older than mccain.

jimver on October 12, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Proverbs 29:9 (ESV):

If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.

kingsjester on October 12, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I don’t get the hate. Obama called for them to get in our face. Bring a knife bring a gun. WTH? And then the lunitics here someone think biden eeked out a win by being rude and lying?

Hoping for another Change.

hawkdriver on October 12, 2012 at 9:01 AM

My ex-wife, who is a Conservative, is dating a Dem who has a 160 IQ. He’s intellectually gifted, no doubt, he’s a good guy, but his lack of wisdom and common sense is just astounding. When you look at his family background, it’s not hard to see why. There wasn’t/isn’t a lot of love shown to him, and I think people who come out of that kind of environment have a vulnerability towards being angry because of that.

Those kind of people know nothing, or next to nothing, about healthy emotionalism and nurturing, and people with poor social and thinking skills, like urban elitest and verbaluce, are the kind of person these families tend to produce.

Anti-Control on October 12, 2012 at 9:40 AM

I did not know that Chris Matthews stood in for Biden last night.

faraway on October 12, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Romney still up in Rasmussen today.

bluegill on October 12, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Romney will have Biden to thank for helping widen his lead over Obama before the next debate.

bluegill on October 12, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Romney still up in Rasmussen today.

bluegill on October 12, 2012 at 9:48 AM

gumbyandpokey hardest hit!

Anti-Control on October 12, 2012 at 9:53 AM

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