Angry old man yells at Paul Ryan for 90 minutes; Update: CNN insta-poll of undecideds shows tie; Update: Ryan wins CNN insta-poll overall, 48/44
posted at 10:54 pm on October 11, 2012 by Allahpundit
I expected “table-pounding atmospherics” from Biden but I didn’t expect him to act like a total jackhole for fully 90 minutes. Give him credit for knowing his target audience, though: His task tonight was to get the left excited again after Obama fell into a semi-coma in Denver, and evincing utter disdain for Ryan — grimacing, shouting, laughing inappropriately, constantly interrupting, the total jackhole experience — is just what the doctor ordered. He might have irritated independents and undecideds, but probably not so much that it’ll change people’s votes. The Democrats needed someone to go out there and clown for liberals, and if there’s one thing this guy knows, it’s clowning.
Here’s a taste of what I mean via Mediaite, centered around one of Ryan’s more cutting lines of the evening. For what it’s worth, the media lost patience with Biden’s shtick too, but I doubt that’ll cost him anything tomorrow. And yes, needless to say, Raddatz was also terrible. Exit quotation from Greg Gutfeld: “Biden is the drunk at the bar; Martha is the unhappy bartender, and Ryan is the unfortunate salesman caught in the middle.”
Update: I’m waiting on the insta-polls, but in the meantime here’s an early candidate for the media’s consensus post-debate buzzword for Biden’s boorish performance: “Passion.”
Update: According to CNN, among the voters who really matter, it was a push:
#CNNUndecideds vote that the #VPdebate was a tie. One-third say Joe Biden won. One-third say Paul Ryan won. One-third are undecided.
— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) October 12, 2012
CBS’s insta-poll had it 50/31 for Biden, although both candidates gained ground among undecideds. A CNBC website poll, meanwhile, had Ryan winning 56/36.
Update: Like I said, the jackhole approach works like a charm with its target audience. For others, eh, not so much:
Update: Some good news after an irritating night. Within the margin of error, but we’ll take it:
BREAKING: CNN-ORC post-debate poll of Registered Voters: 48% said Ryan won. 44% said Biden won. Sampling error: +-5%. #CNNDebate
— Sam Feist (@SamFeistCNN) October 12, 2012
CNN/ORC POLL October 3 DEBATE WATCHERS Who Was More Likeable? Ryan 53% Biden 43%
— Peter Hamby (@PeterHambyCNN) October 12, 2012
CNN/ORC POLL October 3 DEBATE WATCHERS Who Was More In Touch With Problems of People Like You? Ryan 51%, Biden 44%
— Peter Hamby (@PeterHambyCNN) October 12, 2012
Update: That about sums it up:
Update: Via the Examiner, the setting and music reveal Joe Biden’s true calling: He would have been amazing as a regular on “Match Game.”
Update: Brand new from the RNC:
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Ha. Sorry to have left you out, LFOD:
rogerb on April 30, 2013 at 7:48 PM
If you had something that fired cigars, I’m sure Bill would recommend that too.
unclesmrgol on April 30, 2013 at 8:00 PM
“You’re way better off with
a shotgunan intern thanan assault weaponJuanita Broaddrick. Trust me.”nico on April 30, 2013 at 8:13 PM
Bill Clinton: “You’re way better off with a shotgun than an assault weapon. Trust me.”
From the man who was shown time and again to be lying, even when the truth was better for him.
Some people never change.
RJL on April 30, 2013 at 8:15 PM
I like this one better.
Oldnuke on April 30, 2013 at 8:27 PM
Has anyone trustworthy ever used the phrase “Trust me”?
SoRight on April 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM
Speaking of, did anyone ever figure out what any of them had to do with me “learnin’ ’bout guns”?
rogerb on April 30, 2013 at 8:37 PM
Good one! I thought it was going to be the R. Lee Ermey Glock commercial, but this was even better. She did just like Joe Biden told her, except she didn’t use a shotgun.
Loved the tag line, “Horror movies don’t have to last forever …”
Earlier this year, one of the channels was touting a show with the title something on the order of “Horror 911″ or similar. I want to see a show called, “Emergency 9mm” in which armed homeowners keep themselves safe from predators instead of cowering in abject fear in an inner room clutching a phone, desperately waiting for 911 to get emergency services to them while an intruder goes through the house looking for them.
AZfederalist on April 30, 2013 at 8:39 PM
The only thing worse than a sleazy liar is an over the hill has-been sleazy liar.
mad scientist on April 30, 2013 at 8:40 PM
Yep ranks right up there with the smiling muslim tell of “I tell you the truth …”
AZfederalist on April 30, 2013 at 8:40 PM
Bill Clinton: “You’re way better off with a shotgun than an assault weapon. Trust me.”
Thanks, Bill. I was a little worried that people were trying to characterize my semi-auto shotgun with its short barrel, extended magazine and pistol grip as an assault weapon. Are we good to go with the Glock 20 too?
Trainwreck on April 30, 2013 at 8:52 PM
Why choose just one? Why not have one of each, and a good caliber handgun as backup?
Parabellum on April 30, 2013 at 9:01 PM
Yeah. That’s why the DHS is purchasing billions of 40 caliber hollow-point rounds, and not shotgun shells – right Slick?
labrat on April 30, 2013 at 9:14 PM
Bill Clinton: “You’re way better off with________________________
_________________________(insert anything, here … It won’t matter).
Trust me.”
listens2glenn on April 30, 2013 at 9:17 PM
.
. . . . N O ! ! ! !
listens2glenn on April 30, 2013 at 9:18 PM
*sip*
This place gets freakin’ weirder every day.
Axe on April 30, 2013 at 9:43 PM
Rogerb could use a pic of a Ruger 10/22.
He thinks it’s an old German pistol.
verbaluce on April 30, 2013 at 10:05 PM
can you not be a fking fool for two seconds?
tom daschle concerned on April 30, 2013 at 10:29 PM
Can anyone take Bill seriously when he talks about blowin’ someone’s head off…
bluesdoc70 on April 30, 2013 at 10:32 PM
You could stand to take your head out of Obama’s crotch every now and again.
HumpBot Salvation on April 30, 2013 at 10:47 PM
Actually, I believe the Ruger was the Japanese version of the Luger.
Sandbar on April 30, 2013 at 11:07 PM
“You’re way better off with a shotgun than an assault weapon. Trust me.”
Bwahahahahahahaha
This from the tool that is still try’n to figure out what the meaning of is…is
roflmmfao
donabernathy on May 1, 2013 at 12:26 AM
Bill Clinton (credibility: sub-zero) speaks.
He’s looking like an old man now and there’s no fool like an old fool.
virgo on May 1, 2013 at 1:19 AM
Precisely how many Americans are killed every year by the criminal use of AR-15s?
Precisely how many Americans are killed every year by the criminal use of Saturday Night Specials?
SNS’s are cheap, easily obtainable by criminals, and entirely effective at killing people or intimidating people for gain.
Am I saying SMS’s should be banned? Nope. But the fact that they’re the primary guns used in practically all criminal shootings means that if you want to look at a class of guns that’s where you’d start.
Now why are SMS guns so common? Because if you’re buying a gun for the express purpose of threatening someone then you don’t really care if the gun works or not. And if you’re buying it black market it means you’re paying a markup cost ON TOP Of whatever the gun actually costs. So the cost to the criminal due to the mark up can make criminals very cost conscious. Beyond that, especially if the gun is discharged, it is in the criminal’s interest to dispose of the gun after the crime so that the same gun can’t link the same criminal to multiple crimes. If the criminal uses different guns every time then there is no link.
The AR-15 by comparison is poorly suited to crime. For one thing it is comparatively expensive. For another, it is too large to be easily concealed. And most damning, it operates best at medium range. Criminals want to intimidate you from close range. Close enough for you to give them things or hand them things. Close enough for them to see everything you’re doing with your hands so they can know if you’re complying or not. A sawed off shotgun or a small handgun is better suited to this task. Possibly a sub-machine gun would be effective as well. Though, a replica semi-automatic machine gun is horribly suited to this task.
Really, the AR-15 is a stupid gun. I don’t say that in the sense that people shouldn’t buy it. Rather, it doesn’t do anything very well. I say that as a near complete gun novice. So I’m likely talking loudly out of my ass here. But I bet the average hunting rifle is better at long distance marksmanship, the shot gun has more stopping power at close range, and the hand gun is generally more portable.
What niche then does the AR-15 fill? What does it do that these other guns don’t do besides sorta look like an M16?
It appears to be mostly an atheistic difference. And assuming I’m right there, the focus on the AR-15 by the democrats is just absurd.
Karmashock on May 1, 2013 at 3:18 AM
The only thing I would trust about BJ Clinton is that he loves open-face tacos and a good smoke after dining. Sheesh, what a loser.
philoise65 on May 1, 2013 at 8:40 AM
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!1
Wow.
A regular Don Rickles this guy is…
… or maybe just a hockey puck.
hillbillyjim on May 1, 2013 at 9:00 AM
I think you mean aesthetic difference. ;)
GWB on May 1, 2013 at 11:31 AM
I think he meant to say:
“You is better off with a shotgun than you is with an assault rifle.”
But it depends on what the meaning of is is.
BigAlSouth on May 1, 2013 at 11:32 AM
Wow. Nailed that one, didn’t I?
And yikes. I actually felt sorry for you when I read it.
Regardless, I was torn on how best to respond. There are so many choices.
I know. Let’s take a poll.
Candidate #1:
I’m leaning towards this one. Especially since it wasn’t even two months ago:
Ha. Conviction!
The other candidates follow. Copy and paste your favorite (or the best bit of your favorite) to vote.
rogerb on May 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM
Candidate #2:
rogerb on May 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM
Candidate #3:
rogerb on May 1, 2013 at 12:49 PM
Candidate #4:
rogerb on May 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM
Candidate #5:
rogerb on May 1, 2013 at 12:53 PM
Candidate #6
rogerb on May 1, 2013 at 12:54 PM
And the funniest part is you think it takes hours to google words like “ad hominem” + verbaluce.
Wait, maybe this is the funniest part
Should we take a poll?
rogerb on May 1, 2013 at 12:58 PM
Ipecac
lakeman on May 1, 2013 at 12:59 PM
Looks like this took about fifteen minutes out of my lunch hour, verbaluce.
How about you? What does your math show?Sorry, I forgot. Nevermind.
rogerb on May 1, 2013 at 1:02 PM
I had the great pleasure of going to the range for the first time ever yesterday, with a friend. He let me fire both his shotgun and his assault weapon. The former is difficult to use, slow, bruised my shoulder, and wasn’t extremely accurate. The latter was easy to load and fire, safer, faster, with almost not recoil. I also was able to hit three bullseyes and five in-target hits out of ten shots, which means that it was rather accurate.
I definitely prefer the assault rifle. Dumb name for it, since it isn’t different from a normal rifle, of course, but whatever you call it, it’s a great weapon.
DrUrchin on May 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM
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