Romney won’t tell story of meeting former SEAL killed in Benghazi after SEAL’s mom objects Update: Widow of another SEAL says Romney mention ‘greatest honor’

posted at 2:41 pm on October 10, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

The Romney campaign has vowed not to tell the story of Romney’s chance meeting with the late Glen Doherty anymore, as Doherty’s mother objected to it publicly. Romney related a tale of meeting the “impressive” young man at a Christmas party, on the trail Tuesday. Doherty was killed in the attacks on the Benghazi consulate in Libya last month.

Mitt Romney’s campaign said today he will stop citing his meeting with a former Navy Seal killed in last month’s terror attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya after the victim’s mother protested his use of her son’s death.

“He shouldn’t make my son’s death part of his political agenda. It’s wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama,” said Barbara Doherty, the mother of the slain Navy Seal Glen Doherty.

She added, “I don’t trust Romney.”

You can watch the clip, in which Romney doesn’t use Doherty’s name, and decide if that’s what he was doing, but the campaign is of course right to respect her wishes. I know it’s impossible for me to post a moment from a presidential candidate without political implications, but truly, what’s striking about this story is the remarkable coincidence that led Mitt Romney to have had a personal encounter with Doherty, who ended up at the tragic center of this story this month. From a pure human interest angle, it’s fascinating, and clearly told with respect and in good faith by Romney:

For what it’s worth, I hope Romney’s short-lived mention of the circumstances of Doherty’s death, in which he was going above and beyond to serve and save others, leads to a wider understanding of his heroism.

In comments that have gotten far less coverage, the mother of former SEAL Tyrone Woods, also killed that day in Benghazi, took to her Facebook page to object to the administration’s handling of the investigation of the attack:

Don’t want to ever politicize the loss of my son in Libya, but it has been 16 days and the FBI has yet to get to Benghazi to begin their investigation. Apparently they have made it to Tripoli but haven’t been allowed to enter Benghazi. Meanwhile, the diplomatic outpost where Tyrone and Glen died, was not and is not secured. Absolutely unacceptable.

Update: The other side of this coin is Jane Horton, the widow of Navy SEAL Chris Horton, killed in action in Afghanistan:

Jane Horton began crying on the other end of the phone when she learned that Mitt Romney had been using the story of her husband, Chris Horton, who was killed in Afghanistan, as a part of his stump speech.

“Wow,” the 26-year-old said. “I had no idea.

“To be honest, I’ve been through a lot and I’m not a super emotional person but it brings me to tears,” Horton said in an interview with ABC News, after being informed of her husband’s newfound spot on the national stage. “Not that he’s telling my story, but that he’s telling my husband’s story, it means the world to me.

And, the quote Romney should put on his bathroom mirror for inspiration:

“One of the last things my husband said to me before he was killed, when I would ask him, ‘Chris, what do you need over there? What can I send you?’ he said, ‘I need a new president,’” Horton recalled.

Her husband had done some work in the Oklahoma Romney office in 2008, and Romney tracked Jane down in 2011 after he heard of his death, sending her a hand-written note. The two wrote back and forth several times:

They first spoke when Romney wrote her a handwritten letter after Chris was killed. It was Oct. 1, 2011, Horton said, re-reading the letter as she spoke, remembering that she was shocked Romney had put two and two together — that one of his many staffers had been killed and he’d figured out a way to find his wife.

A few months later, Horton still touched by Romney’s outreach and thinking about her husband’s support of the candidate, decided to send the candidate his name tape — the part of a soldier’s uniform that displays his last name.

Jane, who I had the privilege of meeting at the Republican National Convention when she was serving as an Oklahoma delegate, calls it the “greatest honor” that Romney is getting out the story of her husband, which is exactly what he would have wanted.


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Liam on October 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM

A while ago she already agreed with Obama’s “their deaths were just bumps in the road” statement. See links, above. All you need to know.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Guaranteed if Romney was the 1st one to use that phrase in regards to Libya you wouldn’t see Mrs. Doherty out defending that comment. It would be the opposite. She was giving cover to Obama’s very insensitive statement.

Wigglesworth on October 10, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Can someone please explain this to me?

JPeterman on October 10, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Really?
Seems sort of clear. MKH is calling out bad mouthing the mom –
her recently losing her son and all…

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Oh jayzus.
This is gonna be good.

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Heh, ‘weapons’ of a totally different nature.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Can someone please explain this to me?

JPeterman on October 10, 2012 at 3:50 PM

I agree. Very strange.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 3:55 PM

It’s like you’re an Obama troll pretending to be something else…
the_nile on October 10, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Definitely a troll, but he’s not pretending. He is the intellectually bereft leftist that he seems to be.

whatcat on October 10, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Btw, I have a good hunch about your background. Just keep it to yourself.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Ha.
Ok – but I promise never to tell you if you are right.

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Looks like the Dems are determined to milk this for political gain, even after Romney promptly honored the mother’s wishes. So much for them supporting military families.

Christien on October 10, 2012 at 3:48 PM

That shouldn’t come as a surprise to Team Romney , it was a good anecdote so of course the media would try to destroy it.

It’s campaigning lesson one.

the_nile on October 10, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Exactly, and if you bad-mouth her or question her motives, you’ll get deleted or banned. Have as much respect as the Romney camp has had for her. It’s a far better way to honor her son’s memory than lashing out at her because she happens to like Obama or not like Romney.

Mary Katharine Ham on October 10, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Can someone please explain this to me?

JPeterman on October 10, 2012 at 3:50 PM

I guess MKH is saying it doesn’t matter whether the mom has a partisan motive or not, it’s her wish so that’s that.

Not sure I understand the banning threat, though, when trolls are left free to roam the threads.

changer1701 on October 10, 2012 at 3:55 PM

I stand by what I said. My sources are better than the media.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 3:32 PM

I’ll just cite this from another thread from yesterday. Believe what you will – but I don’t really believe that an extraction team sent in to get the people out would have gone in unarmed.

************** Alert *************************

Senior State Department officials provided a detailed timeline of consulate attack in Libya that killed US Ambassador Chris Stevens – @AP

1 hour ago from hosted.ap.org by editor
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Oct 9, 9:09 PM EDT
New details of Sept. 11 consulate attack in Libya
*************************************************

WASHINGTON (AP) — Senior State Department officials provided a more detailed picture Tuesday of the consulate attack in Benghazi, Libya, that killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans. A look at how they say the attack took place:

Sept. 10-11, 2012

Stevens arrives in Benghazi and holds meetings on and off the consulate grounds on Sept. 10. He spends the night, and for the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on the U.S. holds meetings only inside the compound. It is an enclosed area about 300 yards long by 100 yards wide, with a 9-foot outer wall topped by barbed wire and augmented by barriers, steel drop bars and other security upgrades. There are four buildings in the compound. Five diplomatic security officers are present, along with four members of a local militia deployed by Libya’s government to provide added security.

Around 8:30 p.m.

Stevens finishes his final meeting of the day and escorts a Turkish diplomat outside the main entrance of the consulate. The situation is calm. There are no protests.

Around 9:40 p.m.

Agents hear loud noises, gunfire and explosions near the front gate. A barracks at the entrance housing the local militiamen is burnt down. Agents viewing cameras see large group of armed men flowing into the compound. Alarm is sounded. Telephone calls are made to the embassy in Tripoli, officials in Washington, the Libyan authorities and a U.S. quick reaction force located at a second compound a little over a mile away.

Grabbing weapons

One agent, armed with a sidearm and an M4 submachine gun, takes Stevens and computer specialist Sean Smith to a safe room inside one of the compound’s two main residences. It has a heavy metal grill and several locks, medical supplies and water, and windows that can be opened only from the inside. The other agents equip themselves with long guns, body armor, helmets and ammunition at other buildings. Two try to make it to the building with Stevens. They are met by armed men and are forced to retreat.

Attackers breach the compound

Attackers penetrate Stevens’ building and try to break the grill locks for the safe room, but cannot gain access. They dump jerry cans of diesel fuel in the building, light furniture on fire and set aflame part of the exterior of the building. Two of the remaining four agents are in the compound’s other residence. Attackers penetrate that building, but the agents barricade themselves in and the attackers can’t reach them. Attackers try to enter the tactical operations center, where the last two agents are located. They smash up the door but cannot enter the building.

Americans trapped

Meanwhile, Stevens’ building rapidly fills up with thick diesel smoke and burning fumes from the furniture. Inside, visibility is less than 3 feet. Unable to breathe, the Americans go to a bathroom and open a window, but still can’t get enough air. They decide to leave the building. The agent goes first, flopping out onto a patio enclosed by sandbags. He takes immediate fire, including probably rocket-propelled grenades. Stevens and Smith don’t come out of the building. The agent, suffering severely from smoke inhalation, goes in and out of the building several times to look for them. He then climbs a ladder to the roof of the building and collapses. He radios the other agents to alert them to the situation there.

The other four agents are able to reunite and take an armored vehicle to Stevens’ building. They reach the collapsed agent and try to set up a perimeter. They take turns going into the building, searching on hands and knees for the missing Americans. Smith is pulled out, dead. Stevens cannot be found.

Reinforcements

A six-person quick reaction security team arrives from their compound across town. About 60 Libyan militiamen accompany them. They attempt to secure a perimeter around Stevens’ building, and take turns going inside. Taking fire, Libyan forces determine they can’t hold the perimeter. A decision is made to evacuate the compound and return with everyone to the reaction force’s compound.

Evacuation

Agents pile into an armored vehicle, with Smith’s body, and leave through the main gate. They face immediate fire. Crowds and groups of men block two different routes to the security compound. Heavy traffic means they are traveling only about 15 mph, and trying not to attract attention. On a narrow street they reach a group of men who signal for them to enter a compound. They sense an attack and speed away, taking heavy fire from AK-47 machine guns at a distance of only 2 feet, and hand grenades thrown against and under the car. Two tires are blown out.

They speed past another crowd of men and onto a main street and across a grassy median into opposing traffic. The agents drive against traffic, eventually reaching their compound. Security gets into firing positions around the compound and on the roof. They take more gunfire and rocket-propelled grenades intermittently for several hours.

More reinforcements

In the night, a team of reinforcements from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli arrives on a chartered aircraft at the Benghazi airport and reaches the security compound.

Around 4 a.m.

The compound’s building is hit by mortar fire. The roof is hit and two security personnel are killed. One agent involved in the attack from the beginning is severely wounded. The men decide to evacuate the city entirely. They spend the next hours securing the annex and moving a large convoy of vehicles to the airport. They evacuate on two flights.
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_US_LIBYA_TIMELINE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-10-09-20-43-17

canopfor on October 9, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Solaratov on October 10, 2012 at 3:56 PM

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 3:44 PM

I don’t, and you know it. I enjoy the ironic and the schadenfreudig. Life is tragi-comic though, to be sure. It’s never better than to observe the idiosyncracies of the world. Lots to observe of late.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 3:46 PM

I’m looking forward to the post-irony age.

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 3:49 PM

an age devoid of all irony??? That would be quite impossible, that would be the end of the human spirit :)…

jimver on October 10, 2012 at 3:56 PM

He shouldn’t make my son’s death part of his political agenda. It’s wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama,” said Barbara Doherty,

So let me get this straight, caring about her son’s death and the obama administrations actions that caused his death is “wrong” and “degrading” to obama?

Her values are seriously screwed.

Hard Right on October 10, 2012 at 3:56 PM

This coming from a self-identified Levin fan.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 3:43 PM

That’s right genius.

I’m actually smart enough to realize that there is evil in this world that we must fight instead of trying to invite those murderous thugs onto Dr.Phil to understand what we have done wrong to make them all want to kill us.

You and your RuPaul/lewrockell wimps make me sick.

Look at the facts you coudn’t be anymore wrong. Our embassy in Egypt took at page out of your book by apologizing before the fact and they still were attacked. There are countless examples that appeasement doesn’t work and gets us killed but you will never learn.

LevinFan on October 10, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Seems sort of clear. MKH is calling out bad mouthing the mom –
her recently losing her son and all…

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 3:54 PM

So would this be an example of Ann Coulter’s Infallibility of Victimhood? Why not do the same for attacks or criticisms on anyone? What is different here?

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Well, a couple of things.

Bush restored diplomatic relations with Libya. The missions were already there regardless of our military involvement last year. Second, the War Powers Act/Resolution is unconstitutional.

I don’t think we need a presence at all at this time. The last thing we need is more interventionism. Let them figure it out for themselves, and then let’s decide if it’s a nation we wish to have trade relations with.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Bush restored relations when Qaddafi agreed to stop pursuing WMDs. Qaddafi should have been assassinated a long time ago after the lockerbie bombing, but he escaped death at the time and we never went after him again. Two decades later he is willing to disarm, most likely because of the Iraq war, so in order to oversee his disarmament we needed a presence in the country with official relations.

I am no fan of the War Powers act myself and also believe it to be unconstitutional, but that is a separate issue.

I would gladly say the hell with the Arab world and the Arab spring, just bomb the hell out of them if they try to stir up trouble, but the fact is we created that power vacuum in Libya and it is then our responsibility to help fill it. It’s the same mentality of fighting to win a war once you start a war, finish what you start. We don’t need Libya turning into another Somalia.

And until we start drilling here at home we will unfortunately be forced to deal with the Arab world on some level.

Daemonocracy on October 10, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Can someone please explain this to me?

JPeterman on October 10, 2012 at 3:50 PM

MKH went Pelosi?

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 3:59 PM

This woman is the ONE who is politicizing her son’s death. Romney didn’t EVEN mention her son’s name.

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 10, 2012 at 3:54 PM

He did mention his name.
Wanna try another angle?

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Because we got involved in that mess (Republicans allowed Obama to ignore the war powers act) and left a power vacuum.

I’m sick of this foreign policy as well, especially when we went into Libya for FRENCH oil interests – why aren’t THEIR diplomats dying? However, once we create a power vacuum we need a presence to influence who eventually comes to power and the Obama administration clearly had no idea what they were doing.

Daemonocracy on October 10, 2012 at 3:24 PM

I may be misinformed but I always attributed it more to EU/Italian frustration about all the North African illegals Libya was letting past to the Med. Back in 2010 the EU and Italy went as far as to bribe the Libyans to deal with it.

Dawnsblood on October 10, 2012 at 4:00 PM

I liked the story. If anyone is making it political it’s her. Let your son’s memory live on!

mrscullen on October 10, 2012 at 4:00 PM

an age devoid of all irony??? That would be quite impossible, that would be the end of the human spirit :)…

jimver on October 10, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Exemplar I – see MKH banning threat in this thread.

Pravda and Goebbels, and hopefully Ed, wet their pants, laughing.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Daemonocracy on October 10, 2012 at 3:58 PM

I’d say we’re pretty close to common ground except for a few details. I don’t think we have any right telling another sovereign nation what they can or can’t do, or can or can’t have. And we do drill at home, just not enough. We are the largest single source of our oil, and adding Canada and Mexico really puts it over the top. Oil we get from the Mideast is about 20% or less.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Her values are seriously screwed.

Hard Right on October 10, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Irony!
(It lives, Schadenfreude & jimver )

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 4:02 PM

This woman is the ONE who is politicizing her son’s death. Romney didn’t EVEN mention her son’s name.

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 10, 2012 at 3:54 PM

I think he did this morning in OH.

changer1701 on October 10, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Seems sort of clear. MKH is calling out bad mouthing the mom –
her recently losing her son and all…

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 3:54 PM

So would this be an example of Ann Coulter’s Infallibility of Victimhood? Why not do the same for attacks or criticisms on anyone? What is different here?

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 3:57 PM

JPeterman…explain this to me?

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 4:03 PM

verbaluce, coming forma far left hypocrite and troll like yourself, that is a compliment.

Hard Right on October 10, 2012 at 4:03 PM

verbaluce, coming forma far left hypocrite and troll like yourself, that is a compliment.

Hard Right on October 10, 2012 at 4:03 PM

I bet you get a lot of compliments.

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 4:04 PM

But maybe he sees the cheapness and exploitation in that routine.
I know I do.

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Yes but then Obama can always fly into any base he wants for a whole slew of our bravest for a back drop while ignoring looming D.O.D. cuts. Damn Republicans.

Cindy Munford on October 10, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Impeccable logic and argument.

jimver on October 10, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Mom of Ex-Seal killed in Libya calls attack ‘a little bump in the road’

JPeterman on October 10, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Wow just wow.

I’ll still say it is her right to ask Romney not to mention her son but it sure looks like calling the loss of your child a “bump in the road” should minimize the sympathy she’s owed.

katiejane on October 10, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:00 PM

I find it amazing, esp with all the cr@p the trolls get away with.

MontanaMmmm on October 10, 2012 at 4:05 PM

From trolls like you, yes. Your kind loves to project and spew hatred onto others.

Hard Right on October 10, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Can someone please explain this to me?
JPeterman on October 10, 2012 at 3:50 PM

MKH went Pelosi?
Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 3:59 PM

No, MKH is saying don’t jump all over this woman now, show the respect for her wishes that Romney did. As folks have noted, if she goes on a Sheehan-like rampage it’ll be a different story. She’s a grieving mom, so cut her a little slack for now.

whatcat on October 10, 2012 at 4:06 PM

I’ll still say it is her right to ask Romney not to mention her son but it sure looks like calling the loss of your child a “bump in the road” should minimize the sympathy she’s owed.

katiejane on October 10, 2012 at 4:05 PM

She agreed the attack was a bump in the road, not that her son’s death was a bump in the road.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:08 PM

And Sesame Street asked the Obama Campaign to stop running ads with Big Bird in them, so I guess it all works out.

Socratease on October 10, 2012 at 4:08 PM

You often accuse Obama of not being patriotic enough because he doesn’t wrap himself up in the flag as much.
But maybe he sees the cheapness and exploitation in that routine.
I know I do.

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Of course you do, bless your heart.

btw: FOAD.

Solaratov on October 10, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Oil we get from the Mideast is about 20% or less.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Think it is much less say 5-10%.
Always surprised when that fact is stated giving all the focus on mid-east oil.
Also, given this fact, always surprised we look to SA to lower oil prices.
Oil speculation is a crazy game.

Jabberwock on October 10, 2012 at 4:08 PM

No, MKH is saying don’t jump all over this woman now, show the respect for her wishes that Romney did. As folks have noted, if she goes on a Sheehan-like rampage it’ll be a different story. She’s a grieving mom, so cut her a little slack for now.

whatcat on October 10, 2012 at 4:06 PM

No one is criticizing her for being a grieving mother. Besides, I doubt she reads HotAir.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:08 PM

You’d think a grieving mother would be unhappy with the people who got him killed rather than those who wish to celebrate his life.

Hard Right on October 10, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Think it is much less say 5-10%.
Always surprised when that fact is stated giving all the focus on mid-east oil.
Also, given this fact, always surprised we look to SA to lower oil prices.
Oil speculation is a crazy game.

Jabberwock on October 10, 2012 at 4:08 PM

I was probably using import percentage. I’m sure yours is right.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:09 PM

She agreed the attack was a bump in the road, not that her son’s death was a bump in the road.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:08 PM

You’re right – I was wrong.

katiejane on October 10, 2012 at 4:10 PM

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Heh, not on this one, but your “Peterman explain this” was funny.

whatcat, then you didn’t read the entire thread. See the “bump in the road connection” via Flora Duh and JPeterman link.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:10 PM

whatcat on October 10, 2012 at 4:06 PM

No one is criticizing her for being a grieving mother. Besides, I doubt she reads HotAir.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Dante is right…sorry whatcat. Must read entire thread.

Freedom of speech is still well and alive in the US.

The HA house wishes/commandments have not been broken. They can still do whatever they want, but it was a childish comment by MKH.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:12 PM

whatcat, then you didn’t read the entire thread. See the “bump in the road connection” via Flora Duh and JPeterman link.
Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Actually, I did read that. But that isn’t the question at hand here.

whatcat on October 10, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Exactly, and if you bad-mouth her or question her motives, you’ll get deleted or banned. Have as much respect as the Romney camp has had for her. It’s a far better way to honor her son’s memory than lashing out at her because she happens to like Obama or not like Romney.

Mary Katharine Ham on October 10, 2012 at 3:14 PM

I’m sorry Mary Katharine, but I don’t understand this.

I could see if someone is calling the mother derogatory names, that would be out of line. I don’t understand though why questioning her motives is out of line, especially when she adds “I don’t trust ROmney”.

Seems like she was the one to first politicize the issue. Also, by making the original blog post it’s going to invite questioning of her motives, no? Otherwise it seems like there would be very few comments on this subject since alot of things could be interpreted as “ban-worthy.”

LevinFan on October 10, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Man…reading a few of these –
I hope Barbara Doherty has an unlisted #.
I guess some of you only support ‘some’ military families.

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM

No doubt you have the same thoughts for Stacy Dash; and the vile remarks she’s receiving on twitter.

Hypocrite.

(No one on here has trashed, cursed or vilified the woman. Mostly, it’s a matter of disappointment that she has chosen to ppliticize her son’s death)

Solaratov on October 10, 2012 at 4:14 PM

whatcat on October 10, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Whatever cat…and I don’t care what any questions “at hand” are. Anyone seems to make them up, as they go. It’s a free country.

MKH is entitled to go Pelosi.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Freedom of speech is still well and alive in the US.
Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:12 PM

It’s never wise to cite the First Amendment on internet comment threads.

whatcat on October 10, 2012 at 4:15 PM

They can still do whatever they want, but it was a childish comment by MKH.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:12 PM

That’s exactly the way to describe it.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:16 PM

(No one on here has trashed, cursed or vilified the woman. Mostly, it’s a matter of disappointment that she has chosen to ppliticize her son’s death)

Solaratov on October 10, 2012 at 4:14 PM

verbaluce knows is. Is just being ironic.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:16 PM

It’s never wise to cite the First Amendment on internet comment threads.

whatcat on October 10, 2012 at 4:15 PM

My nom doesn’t aim to be wise, just schadenfreudig.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Well the slain soldiers Mom is getting a lot of credit from the Liberal web sites. Tune into Yahoo and look at the bs. There is no way on G-d’s green earth could I support the team that saw fit the death of my son.

DDay on October 10, 2012 at 4:17 PM

MKH is entitled to go Pelosi.
Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Actually, she “went Romney” in showing some respect.

whatcat on October 10, 2012 at 4:18 PM

It’s never wise to cite the First Amendment on internet comment threads.

whatcat on October 10, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Freedom of speech exists as a natural, unalienable right. He wasn’t citing the Constitution.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:18 PM

knows is it

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Freedom of speech exists as a natural, unalienable right. He wasn’t citing the Constitution.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Dang, just don’t vote for Obama, or someone who’ll enable his win :)

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Seems like she was the one to first politicize the issue. Also, by making the original blog post it’s going to invite questioning of her motives, no? Otherwise it seems like there would be very few comments on this subject since alot of things could be interpreted as “ban-worthy.”

LevinFan on October 10, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Well said. The mom made this political, Not Romney. Period.

Ban me MKH. Go all LGF if you want. Your loss if you do.

/shrug

Irritable Pundit on October 10, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Blink, because verbaluce doing it would be phony, it assumes anyone else doing it is a phony too. That whole projection thing the left has.

Hard Right on October 10, 2012 at 4:20 PM

It’s pretty ironic that she doesn’t trust Romney as being the reason she doesn’t want him telling the story when it’s Obozo’s ineptitude and disregard that caused her son’s death. So it’s apparent that she’ll vote for the moron again. Too bad she doesn’t share her son’s courage in defending the US.

stacman on October 10, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Sincere patriotism is not “wrapping yourself in the flag,” and it certainly isn’t cheap and exploitative.

It’s sad that you don’t understand the difference.

blink on October 10, 2012 at 4:18 PM

That’s a matter of opinion.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:21 PM

I guess MKH is saying it doesn’t matter whether the mom has a partisan motive or not, it’s her wish so that’s that.

Not sure I understand the banning threat, though, when trolls are left free to roam the threads.

changer1701 on October 10, 2012 at 3:55 PM

I thought that threat to “ban” was a bit weird, given the free reign of trolls hijacking every thread.

kevinkristy on October 10, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Yes but then Obama can always fly into any base he wants for a whole slew of our bravest for a back drop while ignoring looming D.O.D. cuts. Damn Republicans.

Cindy Munford on October 10, 2012 at 3:51 PM

But, the troops make such “great photo ops”, don’tcha know.

//

Solaratov on October 10, 2012 at 4:21 PM

I think Romney was sincere enough in sharing this.
But Repubs have always played loose with this stuff for political gain.

Like Obama does when he claim “I killed Bin Laden, casually brushing aside the fact, HE didn’t… SEAL Team Six DID…

but you’ll never call him out for that conceit, will you.. skippy?

And imagine, if you can, this was a widow asking Obama not to share the story. You’d be in a fever laying into Obama….1000+ thread.

Then we’d never know… because ABC would bury it fasrter than they did the Romney campaign two weeks ago..

and if we did find out..

You’d be here finger wagging about how it’s OK, because Obama’s like .. a God or something.. above it all.. and sounding as pompously ignorant as Evan Thomas did.

You often accuse Obama of not being patriotic enough because he doesn’t wrap himself up in the flag as much.

Right.. because commonplace patriotism is just too damned low brow for you self appointed enlightened ones.. refusing to wear a lapel pin, then making nasty cheap remarks about OUR patriotism.. often, by this idiot president doesn’t bother you at all…

He’s called Bush unpatriotic and unAmerican.. he and his surrogates routinely question OUR patriotism,,.. but blinders on proggs are too damn elitist to even notice.. but just whisper Obama showed little enthusiasm for the 4th.. and you’ll be here.. again.. denouncing our points of view..

hypocrisy much?

But maybe he sees the cheapness and exploitation in that routine.
I know I do.

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Oh get off the hobby horse..

You see cheapness and exploitation in EVERYTHING WE DO.. and always will, because you’re blind to the “Won’S” cheap exploitation of the dead, he caused through his complete incompetence..

You can hate Bush all you like.. he would not have left them exposed like that, would not have refused to send support, not gone to bed with a US Ambassodor missing in a choatic mess, he never saw coming..

The woman reacted.. stupidly, loosing any sympathy when she pushed HER politics into it.. She didn’t say, please, I ask both campaigns to not use my son’s name.. she pointedly slammed the Romney campaign, for a very respectful response..

and has given multiple interviews basically shilling for Obama..

so please.. let’s talk cheapness and exploitation..

and I’ve buried a son.. much much younger.. but you don’t hold your dead son in your arms, and not know what she did.. I would not have cheapened his death as she did hers..

That is what’s contemptible..

and your inability to see Obama is far more guilty here than anything Mitt has done or said.. of exploitation.. of name calling..

Liberals always question. oh Hell you damn well denounce OUR patriotism,.. our sanity.. intelligence, then do the usual left wing dance of .. sbniff.. “I never said that”…

The woman acted like a hack, like Sheehan, cashing in on her 15 minutes to make political hay while using her son’s memory..

mark81150 on October 10, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Irritable Pundit on October 10, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Her comment was the ‘best’ on the net today.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:22 PM

That’s a matter of opinion.

Dante

Yes, ron paul lovers are the epitome of phony patriotism. It’s nothing more than the hatred of authority, Jews, and an unearned sense of elitism wrapped in the flag.

Hard Right on October 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM

‘I don’t trust Romney’

Yup, the guy who would of taken action to prevent your son’s death=bad….the guy who has blood all over your son’s grave=awesome…

Insanity.

hillsoftx on October 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM

You often accuse Obama of not being patriotic enough because he doesn’t wrap himself up in the flag as much.
verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Sincere patriotism is not “wrapping yourself in the flag,” and it certainly isn’t cheap and exploitative.
It’s sad that you don’t understand the difference.
blink on October 10, 2012 at 4:18 PM

And it’s more that people don’t see much patriotism in some guy who’s mentor was a domestic terrorist who literally stomps on the flag. Nothing to do with “wrapping”.

whatcat on October 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM

They can still do whatever they want, but it was a childish comment by MKH.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Childish or not, if you can’t comment on your thoughts on Ms.Doherty’s statement, why post the article to begin with? Why not just close the comments if MKH was afraid of something controversial being said?

JPeterman on October 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Can someone please explain this to me?

JPeterman on October 10, 2012 at 3:50 PM

It’s like when you debate abortion with somebody, and well into the discussion, they say, “well, when I was 19 I had an abortion” Boom. Conversation over, because you can’t possible say anything further without being insensitive, callous mean, etc. Or like when discussion Stem cell research, and somebody says “my son died from xyz disease, so this is important to me” Boom. Conversation over.

This woman can certainly say she doesn’t want Mitt to mention her son anymore, and Mitt can oblige. But it doesn’t mean the substantive conversation has to be over, and I think it is fair to question her motives since she added that “I don’t trust Romney” bit at the end.

Jackalope on October 10, 2012 at 4:24 PM

There are a bunch of stories on left-wing sites trashing Romney for this saying it was a really bad encounter and they all hated Romney. You have to understand that Doherty and his friends were part of a left-wing click. They are coming out swinging at Romney. There’s a guy named Ellefsen. They’re all politicizing it more than Romney did.

Wigglesworth on October 10, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Her comment was the ‘best’ on the net today.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Wow.

Irritable Pundit on October 10, 2012 at 4:25 PM

I have no problem with her saying she doesn’t want her son mentioned by Mitt in his campaign.
The other things she said…just wow.

Hard Right on October 10, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Well said. The mom made this political, Not Romney. Period.
Ban me MKH. Go all LGF if you want. Your loss if you do.
/shrug
Irritable Pundit on October 10, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Someone certainly thinks highly of themselves.

rjl1999 on October 10, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Wow.

Irritable Pundit on October 10, 2012 at 4:25 PM

You forgot the smiley. I sure provides good smiles.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:27 PM

It sure provides smiles

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:28 PM

But maybe he sees the cheapness and exploitation in that routine.
I know I do.

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Do you see ‘cheapness’ and ‘exploitation’ in the routine of a president, for instance, whatever president, not necessarily obama – attending a post-mortem award ceremony for a fallen soldier? Often times these events are attended by the highest ranking political figures in the country, so in that sense they are as political as they can get, the photo-ops and all, most of the time the political figures in question never met personally the fallen soldier and such ceremonies are incredibly formal. Do families have then a say in the matter of who attends or not the ceremony, can they request that X or Y political figure not to be present, or not to talk at the ceremony because they disagree with their views or so? Pretty sure not. How come you don’t see the ‘cheapening’ potential in that,
acknowledging a fallen soldier in an uber formal and official venue, with political figures in attendance who have absolutely the slightest clue of the life of the fallen soldier or their families’, or never crossed paths with them in their lives.

jimver on October 10, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Exactly, and if you bad-mouth her or question her motives, you’ll get deleted or banned. Have as much respect as the Romney camp has had for her. It’s a far better way to honor her son’s memory than lashing out at her because she happens to like Obama or not like Romney.

Mary Katharine Ham on October 10, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Can someone please explain this to me?

JPeterman on October 10, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Yeah, I’d like an explanation as well. This is ridiculous.

You post a thread with obvious discussion points and then act like an above it all reactionary calling out people who might take part in critical think discussion. Pathetic.

BTW: I hope if the brave Navy Seal’s father or his wife disagree with his mother they come out and say it. Not wanting her son spoken about it one thing, claiming it was being used to attack Obama is pathetic when Romney said no such thing in the clip I saw. He was telling an interesting story and honoring her son.

jaygatz33 on October 10, 2012 at 4:29 PM

MKH was afraid of something controversial being said?

JPeterman on October 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM

She wasn’t afraid.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:29 PM

JPeterman on October 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM

I’m going to use one of those favorite catch phrases used on HotAir and I assume all over the internet. Passive aggressive. Or maybe it should be preemptive. I agree with you, it’s a touch odd.

Cindy Munford on October 10, 2012 at 4:29 PM

No, it’s not, but it’s not surprising that an irrational isolationist such as yourself doesn’t understand.

blink on October 10, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Yes, it is a matter of opinion. I see you still don’t know the difference between non-interventionism and isolationism, but what can really be expected of a Keynesian?

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:29 PM

I see you still don’t know the difference between non-interventionism and isolationism
Dante

Projecting again I see.

Hard Right on October 10, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Yeah, I guess some people call things like this just pure, dumb, random, unguided coincidence. I’ll choose to disagree.

Lost in Jersey on October 10, 2012 at 2:47 PM

This is the problem with Liberals – because they would themselves either make up such a story or actively seek out a ‘happenstance’ meeting like this, they assume everyone else would.

blindside on October 10, 2012 at 4:31 PM

How about we just say, “Women,” and have a chuckle with a knowing wink as we raise our glasses to our lips.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:31 PM

His sister separately told CNN affiliate WCVB that she did not have a problem with Romney’s story.

“It was nice what he said. Being an American hero is bipartisan,” said Doherty’s sister, Kate Quigley. “I am happy for it, and I was honored by Obama’s coming home ceremony.”

This deserves to be mentioned. It was buried in a CNN story on this.

bucsox79 on October 10, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Projecting again I see.

Hard Right on October 10, 2012 at 4:30 PM

I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Oh get off the hobby horse..

You see cheapness and exploitation in EVERYTHING WE DO.. and always will, because you’re blind to the “Won’S” cheap exploitation of the dead, he caused through his complete incompetence..

You can hate Bush all you like.. he would not have left them exposed like that, would not have refused to send support, not gone to bed with a US Ambassodor missing in a choatic mess, he never saw coming..

The woman reacted.. stupidly, loosing any sympathy when she pushed HER politics into it.. She didn’t say, please, I ask both campaigns to not use my son’s name.. she pointedly slammed the Romney campaign, for a very respectful response..

and has given multiple interviews basically shilling for Obama..

so please.. let’s talk cheapness and exploitation..

and I’ve buried a son.. much much younger.. but you don’t hold your dead son in your arms, and not know what she did.. I would not have cheapened his death as she did hers..

That is what’s contemptible..

and your inability to see Obama is far more guilty here than anything Mitt has done or said.. of exploitation.. of name calling..

Liberals always question. oh Hell you damn well denounce OUR patriotism,.. our sanity.. intelligence, then do the usual left wing dance of .. sbniff.. “I never said that”…

The woman acted like a hack, like Sheehan, cashing in on her 15 minutes to make political hay while using her son’s memory..

mark81150 on October 10, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Very well said!!

LevinFan on October 10, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Since Mr. Doherty was a former SEAL does his family get the photocopied Obama letter with the automated signature?

Cindy Munford on October 10, 2012 at 4:32 PM

They can still do whatever they want, but it was a childish comment by MKH.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Childish or not, if you can’t comment on your thoughts on Ms.Doherty’s statement, why post the article to begin with? Why not just close the comments if MKH was afraid of something controversial being said?

JPeterman on October 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM

That’s the irony of it :)…

jimver on October 10, 2012 at 4:33 PM

“It was nice what he said. Being an American hero is bipartisan,” said Doherty’s sister, Kate Quigley. “I am happy for it, and I was honored by Obama’s coming home ceremony.”

This deserves to be mentioned. It was buried in a CNN story on this.

bucsox79 on October 10, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Interesting. Being a hero is something that is partisan. What a very odd thing for her to say.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Since I don’t know Cindy Sheehan personally I have always thought she lost her mind when her son was killed. She has never done anything to change my opinion either. I always felt badly for her surviving children, they lost a brother and a mom.

Cindy Munford on October 10, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Hmmmm! I used to like MKH. Not so much anymore…

stacman on October 10, 2012 at 4:35 PM

They can still do whatever they want, but it was a childish comment by MKH.

Schadenfreude on October 10, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Childish or not, if you can’t comment on your thoughts on Ms.Doherty’s statement, why post the article to begin with? Why not just close the comments if MKH was afraid of something controversial being said?

JPeterman on October 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Exactly.

If you can’t comment on Ms. Doherty’s intentions, then it would be a very short comments section.

LevinFan on October 10, 2012 at 4:36 PM

The woman acted like a hack, like Sheehan, cashing in on her 15 minutes to make political hay while using her son’s memory..

mark81150 on October 10, 2012 at 4:22 PM

I think this may be a ban worthy post//////

JPeterman on October 10, 2012 at 4:36 PM

I heard Romney’s comments and there was nothing political about it other than the fact that he is running for President – I would have been proud to have my son spoken of in such an honorable manor by either candidate….

alQemist on October 10, 2012 at 4:37 PM

I was going to do some door to door for Romney, but it’s raining now.

Time to make some phone calls instead.

LevinFan on October 10, 2012 at 4:38 PM

For the moment, because her son was killed, if this is the only demand/public statement Doherty makes, she gets the benefit of the doubt.

If Doherty attacks Mitt Romney for telling the story about her dead son, and then goes on TV or gives print interviews that basically use her dead son to promote Barack Obama — even though it was Obama’s policies and inaction by the State Department that contributed to Glen Doherty’s death — that’s when Barbara Doherty loses the benefit of the doubt and becomes just another Cindy Sheehan type, willing to play politics and distort the reality of her son’s death to fit her own world view.

But it’s also something best left for Romney’s surrogates, and not the campaign, to deal with, even if we’re about to get 24/7 Barbara Doherty on MSNBC. Unlike Sheehan, whose son at least did die while Bush was in the White House and on a mission he ordered, Doherty would be have to explain why she’s attacking the guy who praised her son and defending the guy who was in the White House when her son died under some sort of mission someone in the Obama chain of command ordered. It’s too obvious a question not to have to answer if she goes on a PR tour for all but the most partisan news outlets.

jon1979 on October 10, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:33 PM

It’s not surprising that you fail to grasp her meaning………

after all, you’re an idiot.

Solaratov on October 10, 2012 at 4:40 PM

No, it’s not a matter of opinion. Sincere patriotism is NOT the same as wrapping oneself in the flag.

Again, I’m not surprised that anti-Americans such as yourself don’t understand the motives of true patriots.

I see you still don’t know the difference between non-interventionism and isolationism,

I most certainly understand the difference between non-interventionism and isolationism, and you most certainly are an isolationists. You deny being an isolationist, but your comments make it obvious that you are.

but what can really be expected of a Keynesian?

Again, I’m a Keynesian in a pure sense. The type that believes in budget surpluses during good economic times. Obviously, you still embarrass yourself by not understanding the difference. But what can we really expect of someone that calls for banning the fed without having a post-banning action plan?

blink on October 10, 2012 at 4:38 PM

The only person embarrassing himself due to his ignorance is you.

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 4:41 PM

So would this be an example of Ann Coulter’s Infallibility of Victimhood? Why not do the same for attacks or criticisms on anyone? What is different here?

Dante on October 10, 2012 at 3:57 PM

JPeterman…explain this to me?

verbaluce on October 10, 2012 at 4:03 PM

I don’t think anybody can explain dante’s convoluted logicor assje his thout process :)…I read three times his sentences above and still have no idea what he is trying to say, the only thing I understood and recognized in there was Ann Coulter :)……But then I’m French native :)…

jimver on October 10, 2012 at 4:42 PM

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