Quotes of the day

posted at 10:48 pm on October 10, 2012 by Allahpundit

Face down on a roof inside the besieged American diplomatic compound, gunfire and flames crackling around them, the two young Libyan guards watched as several bearded men crept toward the ambassador’s residence with semiautomatic weapons and grenades strapped to their chests…

They were the “quick reaction force” for a compound that was also protected by about five armed Americans and five Libyan civilians hired through a British firm and equipped only with electric batons and handcuffs.

But nothing, they say, had prepared them for this. They had practiced for an attack by 10 or 15 people; now there were scores of professional-looking militants who moved methodically and used well-practiced hand signals. To make matters worse on the night of Sept. 11, instead of four militiamen who were supposed to be on guard, there were only two inside the compound…

“We were not expecting such a massive attack,” the guard says. “We were not ready for it.”

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“You’re flogging the wrong dead horse! It isn’t about what Mitt Romney or Republicans did. The really… important horse that should be flogged is the behavior and the statements of those who were in positions of responsibility and, we would assume, knowledge, and it’s pretty un-American… to put out completely false statements before you know the facts, isn’t it?”

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“You cannot vote in November without knowing just how deep, just how malicious, and just how reckless this administration has been with the truth and with the lives of Americans who were murdered on September 11th.”

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SparkPlug on October 11, 2012 at 3:21 AM

I think MK and Kelly would love that! :)

thatsafactjack on October 11, 2012 at 3:24 AM

In The Air Tonight – Phil Collins

thatsafactjack on October 11, 2012 at 3:29 AM

Gohawgs on October 11, 2012 at 3:18 AM

That was a very cool version of the tune. I particularly liked Collins on the drums. Thanks :)

thatsafactjack on October 11, 2012 at 3:30 AM

I bid you all a fond goodnight. Its been a pleasure, as always. See you soon.

thatsafactjack on October 11, 2012 at 3:31 AM

thatsafactjack on October 11, 2012 at 3:24 AM

I’ll try to make little piggy smile. But only for the people who care. Not the H8ers. (:

SparkPlug on October 11, 2012 at 3:32 AM

Death panels extended…

Gohawgs on October 11, 2012 at 3:37 AM

Meet the Beatles

Gohawgs on October 11, 2012 at 3:45 AM

The dems/lsm to the obamanation these coming weeks

Gohawgs on October 11, 2012 at 3:56 AM

“You cannot vote in November without knowing just how deep, just how malicious, and just how reckless this administration has been with the truth and with the lives of Americans who were murdered on September 11th.”

A much better presentation than a follicly challenged OR a paper sack covered with lotioned kitten hair blogger could do…

Gohawgs on October 11, 2012 at 4:13 AM

We have no ability to bring peace to the world, neither through strength nor policy. We’re not strong enough, and we aren’t wise enough.

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You can find endless quotes along these lines in the run up to World War II from across the political spectrum in America. I highly recommend William Manchester’s “The Glory and the Dream”. In the end, it did not matter whether we were or were not strong enough or wise enough. In the end, either America lead the world through the war and into peace or NONE of us would be in the world we know have.

I have been very blessed. I have gotten to travel extensively around the world. I have been to all the major countries and spent time with their people. The bottom line from all of it?

Either America leads the world to solutions built upon democracy/republics or we abdicate and the tyrants/communists/mafia states will move into the vacuum we leave. Once they fill the vacuum, the path is inexorably set to global war because they do not believe in everybody wins. They believe in the strong take what they want.

How about a foreign policy that acknowledges actual friends, not bedfellows of convenience, that participates in wars when we or our allies are attacked or under unendurable threat — policy that doesn’t include payments to enemies or the pretense that we can play three-dimensional chess? That doesn’t include intervention in civil wars, or choose sides, between enemies, when one eats another?

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I want the world you describe above to exist … but it doesn’t and in the last 4 years in may have become impossible to achieve. America has had ONE actual friend for over 100 years – and Obama has done all he can to break our freindship with the U.K.

We have had ONE enduring ally in the Middle East and Obama has done everything he can to break our relationship with Israel.

Civil wars: I’ll give you three candidates for civil wars we had better worry about:

China: its socio-economc model is unsustainable and is coming unraveled right now. Their kleptocracy has been skimming off everything they can, exporting the wealth and settling in their favorite getaway from China locations – the United States of America being number one on the list. How strange? If you have $ 100 million in a bank account, the Obama administration lets you into the United States of America – no waiting!

Russia: A mafia government which is getting so bad it makes communism look like the good old days. Unfortunately, this is not a sustainable societal model. Eventually, all the bad guys will be figting for decreasing shares of the pie.

Pakistan: Literally able to slide into civil war on a moment’s notice. Unfortunately, they are not known for being the most peace loving country on the face of the planet.

All three of these soverign states have nuclear weapons. A nuclear weapon is the ultimate bargaining chip. There are MANY potential buyers. And more than a few people running those countries who would find them useful for pursuing their personal agendas. Most of those personal agendas are enimical to the health of our people, our economy and our country.

Walking away from the world is even MORE immoral than endless borrowing of debt. If global wars break out because we hide inside the U.S. boundaries, the deaths will number in the BILLIONS. Not from weapons but from disease, starvation, lack of shelter, etc.

I’m with you on the debt — but that’s our business. It isn’t isolationist to believe we should live up to out actual responsibilities instead of wasting ourselves trying to be something we’re not.

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All of my travel has driven two lessons home.

One: we are unbelieveable wealthy compared to the rest of the world. Our “poor” lead lives better than the middle class in most countries.This is still a true statement BUT

Two: We are letting thieves (politicians) and their cronies (bankers) steal the public’s money so the banks can behave like members of Gambler’s Anonymous. In a capitalist system, creative destruction tears down the inefficient and rewards the efficeint. With the repeal of Glass-Steagall, the Federal Reserves creation of one economic bubble after another, and the advent of the SCOAMF – ALL of how our systems once functioned has been gutted from the inside.

I have given Ed & AP a fair amount of grief over them missing the biggest theft in the history of the world . It was completed this year. Can you tell me what I am referring to?

The money we spend on foreign problems is CHUMP CHANGE by comparison. (Hint: You probably own one.)

Jackie said something earlier. I’ll go find it. K:

The real threat lies in the weakness Obama has demonstrated to our enemies and the enemies of our allies. My concern is that they will move to start something, even if he does not, in an effort to sway our election and keep him in power, and because they sense that if Romney is elected, their window of opportunity would be lost.

thatsafactjack on October 11, 2012 at 1:45 AM

The first sentence, my emphasis. It’s pregnant. That’s not a logical error — our enemies are one thing, and the enemies of our allies are another. It’s not a logical error, but it’s a policy error.

A sane foreign policy would require a smaller footprint and less pretension that this world is ours to run.

Axe on October 11, 2012 at 2:40 AM

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My earlier post addressed this topic. China is TAKING what it wants in the South China Sea RIGHT NOW! Read the entire article I posted a portion of from Commentary.

Do you suppose there is any chance China is acting before the election because THEY don’t expect the SCOAMF to be re-elected?

It is far easier for them to face President Romney with a fait accomplit his successor has accepted than to wait for November 6th and see what happens.

A “sane” foreign policy is another recurring theme from the decade before World War II. And “giving up pretensions that this world is ours to run” was one of the supposed “lessons learned” from Worl War I.

World War II, in all its forms of collateral damage, killed somewhere in the neighborhood 50 million people worldwide.

I did nuclear weapon studies and enrichment engineering in the 70′s. If those genies get out of their bottles, we will have at least 1 billion total deaths from all forms of collateral damage by the time the dust settles.

And depending on how many of what types are used – billions more will die in the decades that follow.

That does not fall into any “sane” foreign policy I want to see happen. EVER.

PolAgnostic on October 11, 2012 at 4:29 AM

I’m otherwise ignoring your comparisons of me to Hitler’s apologists before the second world war and your scare quoting of the word “sane.” It’s difficult to infer tone, so I’m going to tread carefully.

Your entire argument supports mine. We are intervening in every area you mentioned, metaphorically and geographically, and it is unraveling anyway. Unless you want even more, more explicit intervention, which would require, given your and the author’s list, declaring war on the rest of the planet.

In the end, it did not matter whether we were or were not strong enough or wise enough. In the end, either America lead the world through the war and into peace or NONE of us would be in the world we know have.

We were not strong enough to police Europe, then or now; we were not wise enough to manipulate the world into avoiding the second world war. And I did not suggest that we should not have fought that war, or even that we shouldn’t have led. We should have fought, and we should have led, and we should be leading now. We may disagree about the idea of “leading.” To clarify, in this sense, it doesn’t involve Marines. “Leading” almost never involves building an outpost and manning it. It also has nothing to do with forcing people to do what you want. That’s compelling, not leading.

I want the world you describe above to exist … but it doesn’t and in the last 4 years in may have become impossible to achieve.

I didn’t describe a world, but a posture. The world is what it is; our posture is what we control. We can have that or a similar posture this instant.

Walking away from the world is even MORE immoral than endless borrowing of debt. If global wars break out because we hide inside the U.S. boundaries, the deaths will number in the BILLIONS. Not from weapons but from disease, starvation, lack of shelter, etc.

That is called a “straw man.” I didn’t say we should walk away from the world. And I take strong issue with the idea that anyone murdered by someone else on this planet is somehow my crime.

We’re a strong man — who’s never been stronger — and a rich man — who’s never been richer — and our friends and family are hungry and getting beat-up because we are spending all our strength and money on other people’s business. There’s nothing moral about it. Our behavior has been embarrassing. And how can we lead the world, teaching it about freedom and the true rights of man, when we can’t remember anything about freedom or the true rights of man? If one wants to evangelize, one needs to occasionally crack a Bible.

Civil wars: I’ll give you three candidates for civil wars we had better worry about:

China: its socio-economc model is unsustainable and is coming unraveled right now [...]

Russia: A mafia government which is getting so bad it makes communism look like the good old days [...]

Pakistan: Literally able to slide into civil war on a moment’s notice [...]

I don’t take issue with much of that. I just don’t understand what you want to do. I said I would prefer not to intervene in civil wars. Should they break into conflict, you want to pick a side in China, Russia, and Pakistan, and start loading helicopters? If you do, we’re going to need to do something about the birth rate.

World War II, in all its forms of collateral damage, killed somewhere in the neighborhood 50 million people worldwide [...] That does not fall into any “sane” foreign policy I want to see happen. EVER.

It’s an argument that the good-guys that fought the second world war were somehow responsible for the deaths of the second world war — because they didn’t fight hard enough, or they weren’t smart enough, or their foreign policy was not aggressive enough — somehow, some way, it’s their fault, because they couldn’t stop it. I reject that idea. The second world war was going to happen, because wicked men wanted to vault themselves above other men. Same reason it will happen tomorrow.

Axe on October 11, 2012 at 5:31 AM

Either America leads the world to solutions built upon democracy/republics or we abdicate and the tyrants/communists/mafia states will move into the vacuum we leave. Once they fill the vacuum, the path is inexorably set to global war because they do not believe in everybody wins. They believe in the strong take what they want.

Quick PS. I agree America should lead “the world to solutions built upon democracy/republics” — but the definition of “vacuum” is not “anyplace America is not.” And we’ve already held up the light of liberty over the entire world for hundreds of years — every child in every nation knows “America” — and they’ve chosen tyranny again and again, of one kind or another. Is it ignoring people’s free will, missing the fact that they already had the option and chose against it — to continue to talk about leading? They aren’t following.

Axe on October 11, 2012 at 5:42 AM

PPS. :)

Still agreeing with you on the current state or crony capitalism in the U.S., and would like to add the U.S. to your civil war list, maybe in an “at risk” category or something.

Axe on October 11, 2012 at 5:44 AM

“You cannot vote in November without knowing just how deep, just how malicious, and just how reckless this administration has been with the truth and with the lives of Americans who were murdered on September 11th.”

MM is right on target.

ted c on October 11, 2012 at 6:13 AM

C O V E R U P

cmsinaz on October 11, 2012 at 6:17 AM

MM is right on target.

ted c on October 11, 2012 at 6:13 AM

I always skip the videos. On your comment I watched it.

“State Department career — lifers — “ :)

I really love the boss.

Axe on October 11, 2012 at 6:26 AM

O/T: VP Debate’s tonight! My take.

kingsjester on October 11, 2012 at 6:28 AM

It is always the cover up…they should have just come clean immediately.

Terrye on October 11, 2012 at 6:32 AM

wow a DWS smack down….

ABOUT DANG TIME

cmsinaz on October 11, 2012 at 6:48 AM

kingsjester on October 11, 2012 at 6:28 AM

may the force be with Ryan

irks me about the moderator, you know there would be OUTRAGE if Mitt attended ANY FAMILY event hosted by a moderator

cmsinaz on October 11, 2012 at 6:50 AM

cmsinaz on October 11, 2012 at 6:48 AM

And, it came from a fellow Lib! Piers Morgan couldn’t take her B.S. anymore. LOL.

kingsjester on October 11, 2012 at 6:51 AM

so all the uphill battles for this debate lay on the gop side apparently per morning joe crew

I will be with you all in spirit tonight, will be heading to a debate party so I won’t be able to partake in the HA banter tonight

:(

DRINK ONE FOR ME!!!

cmsinaz on October 11, 2012 at 6:53 AM

cmsinaz on October 11, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Libs are trying everything they can to save their messiah’s bacon.

Please reference the Troll Uprising of the last 2 weeks.

kingsjester on October 11, 2012 at 6:53 AM

kingsjester on October 11, 2012 at 6:51 AM

sweet

cmsinaz on October 11, 2012 at 6:54 AM

kingsjester on October 11, 2012 at 6:53 AM

indeed KJ….indeed

cmsinaz on October 11, 2012 at 6:59 AM

Good morning! Good take today, KJ. My money’s on Paul Ryan, and I’m really looking forward to this evening’s festivities.

Naturally Curly on October 11, 2012 at 7:01 AM

Thank you!

Yeah. The Gaffemeister versus a guy who falls asleep read the National Budget.

Should be epic.

kingsjester on October 11, 2012 at 7:05 AM

Steve Schmidt really needs to be shunned. I guess having a steady gig on MSNBC is pretty close to shunning in this day and age.

Naturally Curly on October 11, 2012 at 7:09 AM

Naturally Curly on October 11, 2012 at 7:09 AM

oh yeah….

cmsinaz on October 11, 2012 at 7:10 AM

You’re flogging the wrong dead horse!

You know he wanted to use a saying about a chicken….

CW on October 11, 2012 at 7:13 AM

CW on October 11, 2012 at 7:13 AM

:)

cmsinaz on October 11, 2012 at 7:17 AM

glad to see the benghazi clusterfark coming to the light of day. worries me that gives holder further cover of F&F and we will never see justice.

worse yet i heard issa commenting on benghazi yesterday. if he has a hand in the investigation, then its an elitist cover up for sure.

renalin on October 11, 2012 at 7:21 AM

Stephanie Cutter is lying her face off as usual. Claims that Slo Joe is “fired up and raring to go” for tonight’s debate. Heh.

Naturally Curly on October 11, 2012 at 7:23 AM

renalin on October 11, 2012 at 7:21 AM

*shudder*

fast and furious, nothing wrong
benghazi, nothing wrong

we already know what is going to happen

DESPICABLE

cmsinaz on October 11, 2012 at 7:30 AM

Naturally Curly on October 11, 2012 at 7:23 AM

had to mute her…
blech

cmsinaz on October 11, 2012 at 7:31 AM

I am sorry i can not watch the video ..the mornings are always rough for me and i cant make myself watch something guaranteed to make me want to hurl even more … DWS is that something , even if she does get smacked down :/

~~Kate
http://www.candlesbykatee.com

katee bayer on October 11, 2012 at 8:02 AM

Stephanie Cutter is lying her face off as usual. Claims that Slo Joe is “fired up and raring to go” for tonight’s debate. Heh.

Naturally Curly on October 11, 2012 at 7:23 AM

Unca Joe can be a real SOB. Do not underestimate him. Seriously.

Fallon on October 11, 2012 at 8:03 AM

Unca Joe can be a real SOB. Do not underestimate him. Seriously.

Fallon on October 11, 2012 at 8:03 AM

Agreed. The Dems are spooked after last week. They will have taken prep work for Biden seriously.

Happy Nomad on October 11, 2012 at 8:09 AM

glad to see the benghazi clusterfark coming to the light of day. worries me that gives holder further cover of F&F and we will never see justice.

worse yet i heard issa commenting on benghazi yesterday. if he has a hand in the investigation, then its an elitist cover up for sure.

renalin on October 11, 2012 at 7:21 AM

…you’ve come a long way over the last few months..
I remember thinking of you as …retalin
(:->)

KOOLAID2 on October 11, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Axe on October 11, 2012 at 5:31 AM

Axe on October 11, 2012 at 5:42 AM

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Axe, I will reply properly later today. Short version, we are closer together than farther apart on this topic. “Leading” does not equate to boot on the ground for me. On the other hand, China needs to understand that raw banditry is NOT accceptable nor will it be tolerated.

PolAgnostic on October 11, 2012 at 11:23 AM

I’m otherwise ignoring your comparisons of me to Hitler’s apologists before the second world war and your scare quoting of the word “sane.” It’s difficult to infer tone, so I’m going to tread carefully.

Your entire argument supports mine. We are intervening in every area you mentioned, metaphorically and geographically, and it is unraveling anyway. Unless you want even more, more explicit intervention, which would require, given your and the author’s list, declaring war on the rest of the planet.

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I was NOT comparing you to Hitler’s apologists. The isolationist movements of the ’30′s came about BEFORE Hitler was an issue for most Americans. The isolationists spanned from the far left to the far right.

The fallacy of isolationism is the idea you can withdraw from the world stage and the world stage will not force its way back into your nation’s interests.

You will have to be specific on how you see my arguments supporting your POV. Blanket characterizations are insufficient.

We may disagree about the idea of “leading.” To clarify, in this sense, it doesn’t involve Marines. “Leading” almost never involves building an outpost and manning it. It also has nothing to do with forcing people to do what you want. That’s compelling, not leading.

Leadership is setting an example, consistently living up to it, and pursuing policies that reward behavior that supports the ideals you are promoting. It should, ideally, not involve military action to achieve ends. In the world we live in, it does, however, involve having the ability to project force to keep the sea and shipping lanes open.

China is promulgating a “prefecture” largely comprised of open sea which they will decide who and for how much may move trade items through their “prefecture”. Iran has proclaimed the “right” to close the Straits of Hormuz if they see fit.

Shall we withdraw all objection and forces and leave China and Iran free to pursue their ends?

FYI, for my money, we never “policed” Europe. We rebuilt it – which takes us back to the leadership concept.

I didn’t describe a world, but a posture. The world is what it is; our posture is what we control. We can have that or a similar posture this instant.

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OK, describe “how” we align your desired posture “this instant” with my two examples regarding China and Iran.

We’re a strong man — who’s never been stronger — and a rich man — who’s never been richer — and our friends and family are hungry and getting beat-up because we are spending all our strength and money on other people’s business. There’s nothing moral about it. Our behavior has been embarrassing. And how can we lead the world, teaching it about freedom and the true rights of man, when we can’t remember anything about freedom or the true rights of man? If one wants to evangelize, one needs to occasionally crack a Bible.

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Please be specific about your comment in bold.

Define what you see as our failures regarding freedom and the true rights of man, as well, please.

It’s an argument that the good-guys that fought the second world war were somehow responsible for the deaths of the second world war — because they didn’t fight hard enough, or they weren’t smart enough, or their foreign policy was not aggressive enough — somehow, some way, it’s their fault, because they couldn’t stop it. I reject that idea. The second world war was going to happen, because wicked men wanted to vault themselves above other men. Same reason it will happen tomorrow.

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I do not view the deaths during WW II as the responsibility of the “good guys”. Neville Chamberlain, on the other hand, I hope is roasting in hell right next to Woodrow Wilson who foisted a “League of Nations” as a vehicle for peace while turning a blind eye to WW I “war reparations”.

I believe evil men will do their utmost to prosper. I believe they can be frustrated by means short of war. I believe when we do need to use force, we should use it as means of completely disrupting the goals and lives of evil men.

The Obama administration has pursued “flexibility” and appeasement in their dealings with evil men. They have made the world MUCH LESS safe and will have blood on their hands if we remain on the path they have set.

PolAgnostic on October 11, 2012 at 9:18 PM

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