ObamaCare transforming America into Part-Timer Nation?

posted at 10:41 am on October 9, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Under ObamaCare, companies of more than 50 workers who do not provide health-insurance coverage have to pay significant fines, although not nearly as costly as the insurance itself.  That alone might have employers bailing out of the health-insurance market, but the Orlando Sentinel reports that at least one company is testing a way to avoid both costs.  Employers do not have to provide health-insurance coverage to part-time workers under ObamaCare as long as they work less than 30 hours a week, and one restaurant company has begun experimenting with changing over entire staffs to part-time work to avoid the ObamaCare mandates and fines (via Instapundit):

In an experiment apparently aimed at keeping down the cost of health-care reform, Orlando-based Darden Restaurants has stopped offering full-time schedules to many hourly workers in at least a few Olive Gardens, Red Lobsters and LongHorn Steakhouses.

Darden said the test is taking place in “a select number” of restaurants in four markets, including Central Florida, but would not give details. The company said there has been no decision made about expanding it. …

Analysts say many other companies, including the White Castle hamburger chain, are considering employing fewer full-timers because of key features of the Affordable Care Act scheduled to go into effect in 2014. Under that law, large companies must provide affordable health insurance to employees working an average of at least 30 hours per week.

If they do not, the companies can face fines of up to $3,000 for each employee who then turns to an exchange — an online marketplace — for insurance.

This is the problem with massive government interventions into markets.  They create perverse incentives, and force participants in markets to look for alternatives to the massive costs of those interventions.  This is one example.  Businesses usually prefer stable labor pools, and full-time status and reasonable benefits usually help provide that kind of stability.  As a hiring manager for years, I can tell you from personal experience that managing a part-time staff creates its own costs and headaches, much of which won’t be felt in the home office of a multiple-location entity like Darden.

However, the costs may not outweigh the savings any longer derived from dumping benefits for workers — and that’s doubly true in a bad job market for workers.  There aren’t too many competitive pressures at the moment to keep Darden and other companies from pursuing this strategy.  It has the benefit of boosting employment numbers, but only among those involuntarily working part time … which, as Mickey Kaus points out, is exactly what the September jobs report showed.

If this turns out to be the trend, what happens then?  Reason predicts that we’ll see even more government intervention to cut off those perverse incentives … which will result in even more perverse incentives:

Of course, politicians will, no doubt, scramble to fix this insidious outcome not of the legislation they passed, but of the errors of the uncaring private sector. And that legislation will, certainly, have no more unintended consequences.

In the meantime, the ObamaCare-driven transformation of America into Part Timer Nation will end up making the lives of workers more miserable rather than less so:

This truly sucks if you’re a worker trying to piece together the paychecks needed to live a decent life. Now you have to scramble to pick up another part-time job, and neither will come with much in the way of benefits. OK, the feds will have some health program for you through the government-mandated exchanges, but goodbye vacation time and any other goodies that come from full-time status, such as manageable schedules.

Having had that experience as a hiring manager, I’m not certain that a move to part-time staffs will succeed for businesses, but it’s going to be mighty tempting for them to at least try it out.  Don’t be surprised to see this expand over the next two years or so, especially in the service industries.


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Europe, here we come!

NotCoach on October 9, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Progress!

tdpwells on October 9, 2012 at 10:45 AM

But it makes the monthly household survey look so much better. Who would have guessed that the guy that couldn’t stop the rising sea levels also couldn’t change the laws of economics.

Ellis on October 9, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Unintended consequences occur.

Joe Mama on October 9, 2012 at 10:46 AM

It has the benefit of boosting employment numbers, but only among those involuntarily working part time … which, as Mickey Kaus points out, is exactly what the September jobs report showed.

Welcome to the world of the Obama economy. You only get to work part time, with no benefits and no retirement package. But you do get $4 gasoline.

rbj on October 9, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Are you competent in simple economics?
 
bayam on January 28, 2012 at 6:11 PM

rogerb on October 9, 2012 at 10:47 AM

It’s not part-time employment: it’s funemployment!

Part-time workers are not chained to a dreary job for forty hours a week; they have that much more free time to pursue their dream of being a painter, an actor, or a Cowboy poet.

Between 0bamaCare and funemployment, the future is bright. Forward!

MidniteRambler on October 9, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Then, when nobody can find a full-time job, the Democrats blame it on evil, greedy capitalists. The people vote Dem to get their jobs back and then…well, that’s all that matters to the Demonrats.

Odysseus on October 9, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Just remember that the ultimate goal of Obamacare is to force single payer upon a country that does not want t, but cannot avoid it because there is no other alternative. As employers fingure out that keeping an insurance benefit program in place becomes too costly to sustain, try will do anything to survive including this 30 hour part time approach. Soon, the insurance companies will be losing so many customers that they will be forced into bankruptcy. Once the cascade starts, our generous Uncle Sam will be there to bail us out.

And with that will go our freedoms. If they control our health it is at the expense of our free will

You think this might be worth coming to blows over?

I do.

turfmann on October 9, 2012 at 10:49 AM

So they change the law to 24 hours, than 20 hours, than 16 hours…

right2bright on October 9, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Only the idiots in government would not grasp that business, and people in general, would not come up with ways to mitigate the damage as much as they can. Only a true Statist would think that Americans will just roll over and do as they demand.

clippermiami on October 9, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Under ObamaCare, companies of more than 50 workers who do not provide health-insurance coverage have to pay significant fines

We could all become a nation of really small businesses. ExxonMobile could divide up into a couple hundred subsidiaries of 50 people each. Won’t that be fun?

Odysseus on October 9, 2012 at 10:51 AM

The most ironic part? Most of the employees who voted for Obama are the ones most likely to lose full time status because of Obama.

HotAirian on October 9, 2012 at 10:51 AM

It’s all in the name of “fairness.” The unemployed upper and the middle class workers, desperate for work, are settling for part-time work. Great stuff, Barry. Now let’s gut the military. Ah, yes — transformation. High-rise concrete bunkers for all (though some of us government-employed are more equal than others). Yay!

RobertMN on October 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM

ObamaCare transforming America into Part-Timer Nation?

I’ll keep nagging you about this, Ed, as long as you do it.

Since we know it’s true, you shouldn’t put a question mark in this title.

If I post this on Facebook or somewhere, folks will think it’s theoretical or possible, not actual.

itsnotaboutme on October 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Stupid iPhone keep ads….

turfmann on October 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Same thing happens in the financial market. Top down government regulation at the federal level forces banks to compete in a smaller and smaller market place of ideas. They are not allowed to go outside government mandated outlines for their portfolios. This leaves very limited paths to the highest return on investments as banks minimize waste (money sitting earning nothing) and maximize profit (money working to earn the highest returns). The government dictates what banks have to determine the risks of each investment as, and if they do not, they face fines and penalties for being too loose or too tight with money.

Bush caused the housing bubble through this kind of regulation.

Obama is causing the employment compression bubble with this top down regulation.

astonerii on October 9, 2012 at 10:53 AM

…S M A R T
P O W E R…!!!

KOOLAID2 on October 9, 2012 at 10:54 AM

I remember growing up in WNY during the ’70′s and ’80s where part-time work was hard to come by: Rust Belt policies, stagflation, double digit unemployment…. not just due to national problems but due to the spending and taxing policies of the multiple layers of State, county and local governments.

Getting paid part-time was considered a way up.

It was turning into a temp-work scenario for the long haul, unless you hauled your butt out of there. Under the table work off the records did pretty well for a lot of people, too. You know the ‘garners no tax because it isn’t work done up-front’ sort of deal?

I hauled myself out of there.

Obamanomics wants to do for the Nation what the People’s Republic of New York did for western NY. You can get to the same ends by all sorts of feel-good spending policies and high taxes, but this Obamacare stuff is the fastest route to abolishing the permanent job and turning the nation into a part-time Nation where temp-work and under the table becomes the only way to survive.

ajacksonian on October 9, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Good luck finding work 16-29 year olds!

nitzsche on October 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

well who’d a thunk it? Imagine having to work two different 30 hour/week jobs AND having to pay union dues. With no bennies.

Like the promises made to blacks for their votes, this is what the democrats have given their remaining constituents.

DanMan on October 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Eeyore alert on squishy gop congress

cmsinaz on October 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

The most ironic part? Most of the employees who voted for Obama are the ones most likely to lose full time status because of Obama.

HotAirian on October 9, 2012 at 10:51 AM

and if they get up to vote this time they will do it again

Rio Linda Refugee on October 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Oh yes, work rationing.

Robert_Paulson on October 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

You think this might be worth coming to blows over?

I do.

turfmann on October 9, 2012 at 10:49 AM

So do I.

Naturally Curly on October 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

There is also the phenomenon of using Temps instead of full employees. Temps usually have no paid benefits even when working full time. There are companies in which temps have worked for years and have little hope of ever becoming a “regular employee” regardless of their work practices. This practice saves a company money and is not restricted so there is incentive to continue it indefinitely. This happens in Fortune 500 companies as well as smaller empolyers.
This has become so common that some temp agencies have offices in the facilities of the companies they provide temps for.

mad scientist on October 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Obamenomics in action!

I think the hospitality industry will definitely give this a shot and may all end up adopting it until the Obamacare monster disappears. If it disappears.

CorporatePiggy on October 9, 2012 at 10:58 AM

“One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary.”— Ayn Rand

RadClown on October 9, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Odysseus on October 9, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Exxon is consolidating their corporate offices into a huge campus north of Houston. Out of the city limits for tax reasons btw.

DanMan on October 9, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Bush caused the housing bubble through this kind of regulation.

Obama is causing the employment compression bubble with this top down regulation.

astonerii on October 9, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Someone hasn’t been paying attention.

Rio Linda Refugee on October 9, 2012 at 10:59 AM

“If you like your job you can keep your job” -Obama /sarc

From the original article in the Orlando Sentinel:

Darden, the world’s largest casual-dining company and one of the nation’s 30 largest employers, said it offers health insurance to all its approximately 185,000 employees. Many are offered a limited-benefit plan. That type of coverage is being phased out under health-care changes, which will ban annual limits for most plans.

Remember during the debate, when Obama stuck his nose in the air and proudly proclaimed that Obamacare prevented insurance companies from capping limits on coverage? [I suppose they are expected to pay infinite dollars now.]

So, because of Obamacare, a company that once offered insurance to waitresses now does not, and they have fewer hours too! I wonder if they will still pull the lever for the Won.

cep on October 9, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Exxon is consolidating their corporate offices into a huge campus north of Houston. Out of the city limits for tax reasons btw.

DanMan on October 9, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Houston will just annex it anyways.

astonerii on October 9, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Someone hasn’t been paying attention.

Rio Linda Refugee on October 9, 2012 at 10:59 AM

I am just reminding people that we have to keep OUR JERKS in order as much as the Democrats JERKS.

Regulation in banking caused banks to have two options for highest returns. MBS or Government Bonds. Government Bonds pay lower interest and MBS were decreed by government FIAT to be equal in risk as Government bonds.

I pay plenty of attention. Keep our JERKS in line to not do this to other sectors as well.

astonerii on October 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Can part-time workers draw unemployment if laid off?Can they qualify for food stamps?If not there is some huge savings for business and tax payers.

docflash on October 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Can part-time workers draw unemployment if laid off?Can they qualify for food stamps?If not there is some huge savings for business and tax payers.

docflash on October 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM

They can and can.

astonerii on October 9, 2012 at 11:05 AM

That means to work two jobs just to put food on the table. Eventually this Obamacare will drive everyone in to a single payer system. Sarah hit it on the head because eventually a board of “experts and doctors” will decide if you get the little red pill or treatment. Over 59 years old pill will be automatic to hold down costs don’cha know.

Herb on October 9, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Hawaii has laws in place that cause most (private sector) employers to never let people work more than 20 hours lest they have to offer health care.

So, now people either work 1, 2, 3 part time jobs and or go on welfare.

esnap on October 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Just a bump in the road.

JimK on October 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Probably talking to the choir here, but maybe others who just read see this too. Or can discuss this with their friends off-line.

If you don’t have a full-time job and you want one…
Do Not Vote For Obama.

22044 on October 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM

We could all become a nation of really small businesses. ExxonMobile could divide up into a couple hundred subsidiaries of 50 people each. Won’t that be fun?

Odysseus on October 9, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Gatsu on October 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM

The democrat socialists will simply demand a law that forces businesses to hire full time employees.

darwin on October 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Gosh, if only someone had warned us that this might happen! Oh, wait …

Morons.

lovesthesun on October 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM

ObamaRecovery = “Do you want fries with that?”

portlandon on October 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM

First order of business for the Romney administration, on day one: send a new bill to Congress, one-page, which says “The Affordable Care Act is repealed, in its entirety.”

AZCoyote on October 9, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Welcome to the world of the Obama economy. You only get to work part time, with no benefits and no retirement package. But you do get $4 gasoline.

rbj on October 9, 2012 at 10:46 AM

It’s funny to hear big-time democratic party supporter Jay Lenno whine about expensive gasoline in California. Keep voting Dem you jackasses!

WTF!

slickwillie2001 on October 9, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Why hasn’t Darden gotten themselves a big fat waiver from Field Marshal Sebelius? Haven’t paid off the right pols? No presence in bellwether states? Too bad.

slickwillie2001 on October 9, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Didn’t Bob Barker already run his shows like this? Where the girls had to sign weekly contracts… or was it daily?… so that he could just not renew their contracts at the end of the term. Which came up very quickly. I can see that happening as it is the reduction ad abusurdum of getting out of the heavy reliance government places on full time workers for taxes and finally makes everyone too expensive to hire or keep on… unless, you know, you got ‘waivers’ from HHS.

Yes, soon it will be temp-nation, where part-time work will be sought after as almost permanent and the few permanent workers will be unionized in companies on the public dole.

Good times ahead for Obamanomics!

ajacksonian on October 9, 2012 at 11:11 AM

ObamaRecovery = “Do you want fries with that?”

portlandon on October 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM

RomneyRecover=Obama Unemployed

SWalker on October 9, 2012 at 11:11 AM

First order of business for the Romney administration, on day one: send a new bill to Congress, one-page, which says “The Affordable Care Act is repealed, in its entirety.”

AZCoyote on October 9, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Only problem is that Romney likes parts of it.
Strike pages x-y and pages d-h, ad addendum a thru bx, rename Romneycare and place stamp (R) on it and call it a day.

astonerii on October 9, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Actually many students and seniors would prefer part time work.
I see this becoming the norm.
Why hassle with benefits when you can just hire more part time workers?
Actually you could pay them more per hour……

I am sure Obama and the Sec. of Labor are looking for a fix to this “problem”.

Hence – why we need to shove their asses out the door…..

redguy on October 9, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Eeyore alert on squishy gop congress

cmsinaz on October 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Count on it.

rickv404 on October 9, 2012 at 11:14 AM

I work for a very large corporation, and I have been told that if or when the person who works for me leaves, that the position will be changed to part-time. They make it sound like they are being nice not to cut the existing employee down to part time, but they don’t want to risk having to pay unemployment. In order to do this, they have to cut back on some of my responsibilities since I will be picking up the slack. They have given managers Ipads to replace employees, so the managers are expected to be available 24/7 literally on vacation sitting in the middle of fields looking for hot spots so they can be on conference calls and responding to emails. I could go on and on, but I will summarize in three words, “It’s a joke”.

lea on October 9, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Don’t forget that this will also create Single Payer.

This is why the law was written to really kick in after Obozo wins reelection – people are reactive, not proactive and politicians know it.

KMC1 on October 9, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Too bad everyone can’t have a part-time job like the president. He manages to squeeze in a part-time job between 100+ rounds of golf, parties at Clooney’s place, being eye candy on The View, and playing hookey from debate practice.

vamoose on October 9, 2012 at 11:16 AM

The Illegal campaign of Barack Insane Obama.

SWalker on October 9, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Yes. They are still refusing to switch on CVV2 verification. They say they screen out foreign donations BY CHECKING THE IP ADDRESS.

It is INCREDIBLY EASY to spoof an IP address.

So, basically shut it haters. We’re keepin’ our foreign green.

CorporatePiggy on October 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM

So, basically shut it haters. We’re keepin’ our foreign green.

CorporatePiggy on October 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM

With great power comes no accountability. The way of the USA, includes Democrats and Republicans.

astonerii on October 9, 2012 at 11:19 AM

And with that will go our freedoms. If they control our health it is at the expense of our free will

Obviously you’re insane. Obamacare is all about making health care more available and affordable. That’s what all the mindless idiots say.

yhxqqsn on October 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Under ObamaCare, companies of more than 50 workers who do not provide health-insurance coverage have to pay significant fines, although not nearly as costly as the insurance itself. That alone might have employers bailing out of the health-insurance market

Indeed. I have heard from a very reputable source that one of North Carolina’s top 10 employers is weighing that very decision. I’m told that medical coverage is stable for 2013, expected to be stable (in a “wait and see” mode) for 2014, but if Obamacare is not repealed, there is a siginificant chance that health benefits could be eliminated in 2015… that those at the highest level of the organization could find it more cost-effective to pay the fine versus finance the health benefit.

Obama: “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.”

Reality: You can’t keep your plan if your employer decides that Obamacare makes it more cost-effective to drop your plan and force you into a Government-run exchange.

The “Progressives” want single-payer healthcare. And Obamacare is designed as a stepping-stone to get there…

ITguy on October 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM

astonerii on October 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Except you are pegging the wrong person as JERK. Those regulations were put in place under Carter, weakened under Reagan and Bush 1 and massively strengthened under Clinton. Bush II WARNED US that they were a problem and tried to get it fixed through repeal of said government regulations. He failed due to a weak congress. Then it was too late.

Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of things to ding the Bush family on. The Housing Crisis isn’t one of them.

wearyman on October 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM

This merry band of thieves is not good at anticipating unintended consequences.

mwbri on October 9, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Wow! That waitress is pretty damn cute!

Wait, what was this post about again?

DethMetalCookieMonst on October 9, 2012 at 11:21 AM

I’ll keep nagging you about this, Ed, as long as you do it.

Since we know it’s true, you shouldn’t put a question mark in this title.

If I post this on Facebook or somewhere, folks will think it’s theoretical or possible, not actual.

itsnotaboutme on October 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Agree . . . if you know something, say it, and stop making everything an interrogatory. The question mark has become a new trend among pundits and “news” agencies. It allows them to submit a controversial idea without substantiation or proof. We really don’t this.

rplat on October 9, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Unintended consequences occur.

Joe Mama on October 9, 2012 at 10:46 AM

NEVER assume this insanity is unintended. Dudes are pure evil.

sdbatboy on October 9, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Except you are pegging the wrong person as JERK. Those regulations were put in place under Carter, weakened under Reagan and Bush 1 and massively strengthened under Clinton. Bush II WARNED US that they were a problem and tried to get it fixed through repeal of said government regulations. He failed due to a weak congress. Then it was too late.

Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of things to ding the Bush family on. The Housing Crisis isn’t one of them.

wearyman on October 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Nope, they get updated every so often. When the government says you can leverage out on fractional banking to 50:1 on two specific instruments. Which happened on Bush’s watch, which was new, which was part of an international accord he signed off on, thus is why the entire world which signed onto it had the same problem at the same damned time.

If it was signed on Carter’s time, then the bubble would have started then. It did not. In fact the CRA had almost nothing to do with it. The demand for Mortgages to be converted into Mortgage Backed Securities was so totally out of control under Bush that illegal aliens with no work record or income were being offered loans! That is WAAAAAY beyond the CRA.

astonerii on October 9, 2012 at 11:25 AM

This merry band of thieves is not good at anticipating unintended consequences.

mwbri on October 9, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Oh, but they most certainly do. It’s a feature, not a bug.

The “Progressives” want single-payer healthcare. And Obamacare is designed as a stepping-stone to get there…

ITguy on October 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM

This is the whole idea in a nutshell.

PatriotGal2257 on October 9, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Don’t forget that this will also create Single Payer.

This is why the law was written to really kick in after Obozo wins reelection – people are reactive, not proactive and politicians know it.

KMC1 on October 9, 2012 at 11:16 AM

That was the intention all along –
Just ask people in Great Britian and Canada how that single payer system is working……

Patients starve and die of thirst on hospital wards

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9591814/Patients-starve-and-die-of-thirst-on-hospital-wards.html

redguy on October 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Reason predicts that we’ll see even more government intervention to cut off those perverse incentives … which will result in even more perverse incentives:

Right out of the pages of Atlas Shrugged.

President 10-289.

MichaelGabriel on October 9, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Can part-time workers draw unemployment if laid off?Can they qualify for food stamps?If not there is some huge savings for business and tax payers.

docflash on October 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM

The way it works is that the employers pay the unemployment insurance fee based on the workers’ wages. This must be filed weekly, biweekly, monthly or quarterly depending upon the number of employees and overall payroll gross pay.

Then quarterly, the employer files a whole bunch of reports at the state and federal unemployment agencies that lets the state and fed know who earned how much of the gross pay that was used to calculate the unemployment taxes paid by the employer during that quarter. Until that report is filed, the government has no earthly idea who earned what from that tax reports submitted with the money.

So the government is never really told how many hours the employee worked, just how much they were paid for that quarter.

Then to calculate unemployment benefits, the employee has to earn over a certain minimum amount for the quarter for the wages to count for that quarter. If they don’t earn enough that quarter, they are not eligible for benefits.

I know this from personal experience as the employer who had to pay the taxes, and file those horrible reports that are just too confusing. I used to teach accounting in college courses and had to hire an accountant to do these quarterly filings for me. Her fees were almost as much as the overall unemployment taxes I was paying for the quarter.

I hated doing all of this paperwork. One of the downsides to being an employer.

karenhasfreedom on October 9, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Well, see, Obambi is creating jobs. If the work still needs to get done then the workforce is increased by 25%. Distribution of work. Everybody has a part time job!

Or companies could get real inventive – each employee has 2 20 hour a week jobs. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

This obamacare cr@p must be gotten rid of.

TerryW on October 9, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Part Time President = Part Time Economy

Only difference is once Obama is finished in Washington, he’ll make so much money on speaking engagements, books, etc. telling the world how great a job he did.

SmallGovtGuy on October 9, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of things to ding the Bush family on. The Housing Crisis isn’t one of them.

wearyman on October 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM

This. The Bush administration tried to rein it in but the Dem Congress blocked it.

HotAirian on October 9, 2012 at 11:40 AM

OK, the feds will have some health program for you through the government-mandated exchanges, but goodbye vacation time and any other goodies that come from full-time status, such as manageable schedules.

But will these exchanges actually exist? I thought that the exchanges weren’t federally operated. ObamaCare mandates that they exist but part of the SCOTUS ruling was that states cannot be forced into them (by having future Medicare/Medicaid funding cut) and that many states have so far explicitly stated they will not create the exchanges.

gwelf on October 9, 2012 at 11:41 AM

This. The Bush administration tried to rein it in but the Dem Congress blocked it.

HotAirian on October 9, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Democratic Minority blocked it. WOOHOO.

Why I say we need to hold our jerks feet to the fire.

astonerii on October 9, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Darden is the group that promoted Michelle’s No Kid’s Fat Behind lunch program and Darden applied for and received a health insurance waiver from HHS. Now they’re sticking it to their employees by cutting health care benefits. Since the Darden owner is buddies with Obama, I have to wonder if Obama knew this would happen and hoped it would help make the case for the single payer system he really wanted.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamas-lunch-buddys-company-given-obamacare-waiver_576776.html

GrannySunni on October 9, 2012 at 11:43 AM

GrannySunni on October 9, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Like other leaders, he just wanted them to wait until after the election.

astonerii on October 9, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Working as intended.

The left wants there to be only two kinds of workers: the nomenklatura, who rely on the approval of others for advancement, and the proletariat, interchangeable cogs who rely on unions (run by the nomenklatura) for advancement. Entrepreneurs must be destroyed. Highly-skilled employees valued and rewarded for their work must be destroyed. Doctors and engineers must be destroyed. Anyone who succeeds based on objective evaluation of individual merit must be destroyed.

The ultimate objective is an all-encompassing state where your personal success is in direct proportion to your fidelity to the whims and mores of the ruling class, and where the highest levels of success are reserved exclusively for those who most exemplify the intelligentsia’s virtues. It is a rigidly stratified society of nobles and serfs, based not on birth but on political correctness, where lawyers, social scientists, university professors and government bureaucrats are the peers of the realm. Imperial China, Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany: These are the model states the left seeks to recreate. Everything Obama and his fellow Democrats do is aimed at this goal.

Fabozz on October 9, 2012 at 11:49 AM

This transition happened 30 years ago in Hawaii which has mandatory employer paid healthcare. The ramifications are very serious. It means young people never have a career. They frequently cannot master a trade or gain the necessary skills to push an agenda. They develop no loyalty to their employers nor gain the skills necessary to open their own businesses.

pat on October 9, 2012 at 11:51 AM

That is WAAAAAY beyond the CRA.

astonerii on October 9, 2012 at 11:25 AM

you getting beyond tedious bub. The CRA was the emtional cry used to force the unsecured loans. The emotion became threats of lawsuits. Ask Obama. He collected fees for promoting same.

DanMan on October 9, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Like other leaders, he just wanted them to wait until after the election.

astonerii on October 9, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Great point! If everyone complies with Obama’s demand to wait until after the election, we’re going to have a whole slew of complaints surfacing in November.

GrannySunni on October 9, 2012 at 11:53 AM

GrannySunni on October 9, 2012 at 11:43 AM

question answered, thanks

DanMan on October 9, 2012 at 11:54 AM

The most ironic part? Most of the employees who voted for Obama are the ones most likely to lose full time status because of Obama.

HotAirian on October 9, 2012 at 10:51 AM

What’s even more ironic is they aren’t even smart enough to realize they need Obama but he doesn’t need them (or want them) except for a vote.

TulsAmerican on October 9, 2012 at 11:54 AM

This happened in CA long ago, when the state mandated benefits for people working over 20 hours per week.

Now part-time jobs are available at 19 hours per week.

PattyJ on October 9, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Hospitality will be all over this… Just watch.

southernms on October 9, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Perverse. very apt Ed.

Bmore on October 9, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Unintended consequences occur.

Joe Mama on October 9, 2012 at 10:46 AM

NEVER assume this insanity is unintended. Dudes are pure evil.

Indeed. I came to the same conclusion long ago.

hawkeye54 on October 9, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Cloward-Piven strategy at work, otherwise known as Obama’s Fundamental Transformation of America.

Jurisprudence on October 9, 2012 at 12:01 PM

I’m finding that as the O Regime continues the destruction of America I really don’t care if its incompetence or deliberate or some combination of the two.

All that matters now is that this Regime is removed entirely. We need a De-Baathification of the country. Sorry, De-Democratisation of the country. Same difference.

CorporatePiggy on October 9, 2012 at 12:02 PM

What happens if they raise the penalty in the future?

JetBlast on October 9, 2012 at 12:03 PM

This happened in CA long ago, when the state mandated benefits for people working over 20 hours per week.

Now part-time jobs are available at 19 hours per week.

Yup, I experienced that CA law back in the 80′s working for Bank of America, hurting then from heavy losses in international lending and other poor investment choices resulting in cutting staffing costs. Almost overnight, B of A cut non-supervisory full- to 19/hrs a week to take advantage of that brilliant legislative mandate.

hawkeye54 on October 9, 2012 at 12:04 PM

What happens if they raise the penalty in the future?

The choices for businesses:

Pass on the costs to consumers.

Reduce working hours and wages, usually from the lowest level employees first.

Curtail expansion plans.

Consolidate with other businesses.

Go out of business.

Government nationalizes most major business industries in the aftermath.

hawkeye54 on October 9, 2012 at 12:08 PM

We need to ask Obama as the driver of this Runaway Car of an insane Presidency like a child in the back seat..”Are we there yet?” This meaning…are we at the brink of economic ruin. If we are there Obama can say mission accomplished. He set out to ruin America….He is almost there.

logicman_1998 on October 9, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Ast – Ithink you need to re-examine. Bush actually sent the agency rep responsible for Fannie and Freddie oversight and said what was coming – remember Frank and especially Dodd running interference. We learned belatedly why Dodd was so interested.

I can get angry with Bush on other things. This one he recognized as a problem. I imagine most of us knew someone in the biz at the time and the remark was that Fannie and Freddie were screaming for more loans – and in the bigger cities, ACORN (Obama) was active suing banks who didn’t tow the line.

The GOP has its own problems, and members who act like Dem light need to be replaced. But our chance is to take over the party. It is in process, would be nice to go faster, but it is going to take some time.

Zomcon JEM on October 9, 2012 at 12:10 PM

We could all become a nation of really small businesses. ExxonMobil could divide up into a couple hundred subsidiaries of 50 people each. Won’t that be fun?

Odysseus on October 9, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Every oil platform in the Gulf would become its own independent corporation with 49 employees. You divide up the refineries into independent companies with 49 employees, and the crude tower sells resid to the vacuum tower, and naphtha to the reformer, and gasoil to the cat cracker, etc. What a great way to run a business!

The only companies in the nation with over 50 employees would be insurance companies, who could give bennies to their employees through their own plans.

Then, when half the nation is working two part-time jobs instead of one full-time job, people will burn more gasoline driving to two jobs, and wonder why the price is so high, but don’t you DARE build an oil pipeline over that precious aquifer in Nebraska!

Then President Obama gets up on his soapbox and complains that 100 million Americans don’t have health insurance, so now we need SuperObamaCare!!!

Steve Z on October 9, 2012 at 12:14 PM

you getting beyond tedious bub. The CRA was the emtional cry used to force the unsecured loans. The emotion became threats of lawsuits. Ask Obama. He collected fees for promoting same.

DanMan on October 9, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Yeah, yet the unsecuritised loans did not start happening in large numbers until Bush’s watch. Why? Because it was easier to pay off the bums than risk the lost money when there was very high risk in those loans. But then the MBSes took off, because in 2001 the banking rules changed and made them more desirable, (50:1 leveraging availability compared to say 8:1 for a business loan, 5:1 for a standard straight up conforming mortgage) but that was not enough at the time to get those loans going big time. Then someone came up with an algorithm to package home loans using government figures to make the most risky loans actually pay out big dividends to investors through tiered mortgage Backed Securities tranches that were then rated at AAA. It was the AAA rating that made them finally take off, along with the leveraging capability in the REGULATIONS that required the MBS be AAA rated.

Now then, so far you have admitted that Bush knew there was a problem way back in 2001/2002. That he was thwarted by the minority congressional parties. Didn’t we hire him to do his job and not slough blame onto other people? Didn’t we hire congress to get the work of we the people done? The fact is they did not want to do that. Republicans were on the Fannie and Freddie dime as well, and wanted to protect their future jobs at those institutions. I think Freddie was is the Republican branch and Fannie is the Democrat, but it does not really matter which is which, each party had their little multimillion dollar post legislature jobs secured there, and Republicans were just as much to blame for the failure for reform as the Democrats, if not as vocally supportive, they certainly were not vocally critical.

In the end, this was a prime example of government that saw the problem it created, but wanted to enjoy the perks of the up bubble, and hoped that the crash would happen after the election and slough the blame onto the next government. Sounds familiar doesn’t it? But hey, its all tedious, and hey, we can blame other people, no need to look at our own failures and learn from them, it is not like bad things repeat or anything. In Vegas, Romney outlines plan to ‘reignite the housing economy’

astonerii on October 9, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Zomcon JEM on October 9, 2012 at 12:10 PM

I’m going to keep my eye on the ball. A better government, regardless of party. Republican is the one we have right now. But it does not even remotely do the people’s business when it has total control of the government. WH, House and Senate! Feet, fire, assemble.

The push back I get here on this subject simply proves that Republicans just do not get it and we are going to get boned again soon.

astonerii on October 9, 2012 at 12:26 PM

College grads living eight to a house, each working two or three part-time jobs, but at least they’ll have OboobaCare.

Akzed on October 9, 2012 at 12:36 PM

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