Pew poll: Romney erases eight-point deficit, now leads by four among likely voters

posted at 4:53 pm on October 8, 2012 by Allahpundit

From a 51/43 lead for O last month to a 49/45 lead for Mitt now. Remember when the media said the debates won’t matter?

Most exciting poll of the last year? Or most exciting poll of the last four years?

Romney now ties Obama in being regarded as a strong leader and runs virtually even with the president in willingness to work with leaders of the other party. And by a 47% to 40% margin, voters pick Romney as the candidate who has new ideas

Romney has made progress on the issues. He and Obama now run about even on dealing with health care, Medicare, foreign policy and taxes. Obama led on most of these issues by significant margins in September. Romney also holds a significant 49% to 41% advantage on improving the job situation, despite the fact that most of the interviewing was conducted after the October jobs report, which showed the unemployment rate falling below 8%…

By a 37% to 24% margin, more swing voters say Romney would improve the job situation. Swing voters favor Romney on the deficit by a two-to-one (41% vs. 20%) margin.

We’ve come a long, long way when the avatar of Hopenchange is a distant second on the question of which candidate represents “new ideas.” The polling on jobs is significant too, not only on its own terms but because some of this data was compiled over the weekend, after the news about Friday’s “good” unemployment numbers broke. In fact, among swing voters, 54 percent now say they agree with the statement “Obama doesn’t know how to turn the economy around” versus just 39 percent who disagree. If O can’t put a dent in that this month, he’s in trouble, especially since those numbers partly reflect a “good” jobs report.

Some of Mitt’s improvement here is mind-boggling. Note the amazing shift in women and voters aged 18-49, in particular:

Romney’s favorable rating is now at 50 percent, up five points since last month and one point higher than the guy who’s banking on his alleged likability gap to push him over the edge in a close race. In fact, Mitt rates higher than O even though swing voters are far more likely to say that Obama “connects well with ordinary Americans.” Evidently, Romney cut so impressive a figure at the debate that voters like him slightly more than Obama notwithstanding the fabled “who’d you rather have a beer with?” test.

The one caveat here is the sample. Among registered voters, it’s 34.7R/34D/31.3I; among likelies, it’s probably a few points more Republican than that. Romney’s pollster and Scott Rasmussen have each said they’re expecting a sample of D+3 or so on election day, so this is a rare poll that’s actually a bit redder than it should be — although even that’s a testament to Romney’s debate performance. Party ID tends to shift a bit as each side builds momentum; that’s why the samples after the Democratic convention were a little bluer than usual. What’s happening here, I think, is that some chunk of the audience that watched the debate was sufficiently impressed by Mitt that they’re now identifying as Republican this week. If Ryan does well on Thursday and Romney follows through in his last two debates, maybe that identification will solidify and we’ll get a redder turnout on November 6 than even Team Mitt is expecting. At the very least, perennial Republicans are so energized by Romney’s ass-kicking that they may show up in even greater numbers than expected. Check out the fundraising haul Mitt saw the first 48 hours after the Denver debacle. Good lord.

Update: With today’s Politico poll showing Obama up one and the race tied in both Rasmussen’s and Gallup’s trackers, O’s lead in the poll of polls is down to just half a point.


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The scale of Obama’s humiliation revealed: Romney scores 52-point debate victory – the BIGGEST in Gallup poll history

So from the biggest Presidential debate victory in history to the biggest electoral victory in history? These lady parts can dream.

Ozwitch on October 8, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Now if we can just make sure that only the .004% of the population that were sampled casts ballots, Romney’s got it in the bag!
Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Pew 2008 election:
Obama 52% McCain 46%

Actual vote 2008 election:
Obama 52.92% McCain 45.66%

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Gallop shows the race is tied 47-47 which means Mitt’s 5-point swing is holding.

That’s a pretty big bounce, and Team O can’t feel good about being at 47% … it’s bad in a number of ways.

I’m no polling or electoral expert, but I’m just gonna call it right now. Romney-Ryan 52% Obama-Biden 47% on election day. Book it!

Nicole Coulter on October 8, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Patience for the poll trends. It’s still turning our way slowly but surely. Now all we need is a Ryantomic bomb dropped on hapless Uncle Joe Thursday and the polls are going to pick up speed and not slow down till November 7th.

hawkdriver on October 8, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Agreed sir..

The trend is going our way, .. despite the media declaring Romney dead on arrival for the tenth time.. and the Biden Ryan debate, ought to be a thing of beauty..

Biden the go to guy for the left on foreign policy for two decades has been WRONG on every major event going back to his appeasement of the Soviets and opposition to Mr. Reagan.. Remember Biden calling Reagan reckless…

why nobody should ever listen to Biden.

Shortly after he was first elected to the Senate, Biden voted against funding to help the South Vietnamese government stave off its North Vietnamese Communist invaders. This vote, which was in line with the votes of most in Congress’ new Democrat majority, paved the way for the ultimate fall of Saigon (in April 1975) and the subsequent mass slaughter of Indochinese peasants.

Biden became a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in January 1975, and of the Senate Judiciary Committee two years later.

On June 17, 1977, Biden married schoolteacher Jill Tracy Jacobs.

In 1979 Senator Biden shared President Jimmy Carter’s belief that the fall of the Shah in Iran and the advent of Ayatollah Khomeini’s rule represented progress for human rights in that country. Throughout the ensuing 444-day hostage crisis, during which Khomeini’s extremist acolytes routinely paraded the blindfolded American captives in front of television cameras and threatened them with execution, Biden opposed strong action against the mullahs and called for dialogue.

Throughout the 1980s, Biden opposed President Ronald Reagan’s proactive means of dealing with the Soviet Union. Biden instead favored détente — which, in practice, meant Western subsidies that would have enabled the moribund USSR to remain solvent much longer than it ultimately did. He also opposed Reagan’s effort to fund the Contras, an anti-Communist rebel group in Nicaragua.

Decades of appeasement, and no rational judgement..

I have a long and excellent memory, and Biden earned my contempt for his vote to cut off the South Vietnamese…. I have refugees in my high school,.. a family with 5 sons, Montonyard woodcarvers by trade,.. in the wrong village in reality.. and friendly to America was a death sentence there, partly thanks to good Ol Joe..

I have a long memory.. and I never forgive when people die from somebody being stupid, especially when I knew some of the survivors.

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 7:48 PM

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 7:48 PM

That was a great comment.

hawkdriver on October 8, 2012 at 7:51 PM

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Bazinga, and totally in agreement !

pambi on October 8, 2012 at 7:52 PM

lol, sleeper cells
hawkdriver on October 8, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Brought to you by the pre-announced open registrations of Dec-Jan.
But I love the smell of desperate trolls burning out in the evening – smells like victory!
:D

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 7:52 PM

“Is this real life?”
gumby

Strike Hornet on October 8, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Take heart .. ALOT of us have long memories, AND vote !!!!!!!

pambi on October 8, 2012 at 7:53 PM

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 7:48 PM
That was a great comment.

hawkdriver on October 8, 2012 at 7:51 PM

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Bazinga, and totally in agreement !

pambi on October 8, 2012 at 7:52 PM

…awesome comment!

KOOLAID2 on October 8, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Gallup tracker goes to LV tomorrow:

Former Gov. Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama are virtually tied among likely voters, a new Gallup daily tracking poll will show, according to USA Today’s Washington Bureau Chief Susan Page.

In previous Gallup daily polling including on Monday, Obama has held a 5 percentage-point lead among registered voters. But the Gallup poll to come Tuesday will report results from a smaller pool among those voters, those who are likely to vote. That change in the poll’s method will “wipe out” the president’s lead, Page said.

Link

Chuck Schick on October 8, 2012 at 7:54 PM

*********** ALERT ****************

Ryan is on NOW LIVE,

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on October 8, 2012 at 7:53 PM

canopfor on October 8, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Chuck Schick on October 8, 2012 at 7:54 PM

MUUWAHAHA

pambi on October 8, 2012 at 7:56 PM

TPM Polltracker has Romney ahead for the first time

48.7 Romney
46 Obama

ATOMIC. BOMB.

Chuck Schick on October 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM

canopfor on October 8, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Oh, poop ! Stuck with iPad, atm.
Reports desired.

pambi on October 8, 2012 at 7:58 PM

I’m no polling or electoral expert, but I’m just gonna call it right now. Romney-Ryan 52% Obama-Biden 47% on election day. Book it!

Nicole Coulter on October 8, 2012 at 7:48 PM

We can never be complacent,.. and have to fight like we’re behind by ten..

but more than a few people I know, myself included, feel in our gut, America is DONE with the Chicago fool.. and he’ll win by historic numbers..

Anecdotal doesn’t make it a done deal.. but I know a lot of folks who just feel it..

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 7:58 PM

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 7:39 PM

…did you just wake up from a deep sh!t?

KOOLAID2 on October 8, 2012 at 7:59 PM

One more factoid:

NumbersMuncher ?@NumbersMuncher

In EVERY poll on the RCP avg, Romney leads with indys. (Gallup and NBC don’t have indy #s on topline). That’s huge no matter what sample is.

Chuck Schick on October 8, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Take heart .. ALOT of us have long memories, AND vote !!!!!!!
pambi on October 8, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Contrast with a commenter at Kos on the Pew poll:

Was confident up until this point. If the GOP is this energized now and our side is so demoralized, it is not looking good for President Obama.

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:00 PM

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Thank you for a great history lesson!

JPeterman on October 8, 2012 at 8:01 PM

TPM Polltracker has Romney ahead for the first time

48.7 Romney
46 Obama

ATOMIC. BOMB.

Chuck Schick on October 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM

When you’ve lost TPM….

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Do not like this poll. The sample is skewed too far Republican setting up a “Comeback Kid” narrative for obama after the next debate when they weight the sample D+3. Obama will look like he has momentum even if he has a mediocre second debate.

The Opinionator on October 8, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Flora Duh on October 8, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Of course! You see the stratEGERY shifts ever so slightly at the end. They want to rally the troops, but, um, their problem is their trooops are AWOL.

Chewy the Lab on October 8, 2012 at 8:03 PM

New Michigan EPIC/MRA poll for Detroit Free Press: Obama 48 Romney 45

It was a post-debate poll taken at the most favorable time for Romney.

That 7.8 jobs number literally might have saved Obama’s Presidency.

gumbyandpokey on October 8, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Last month this same pollster gave Obama a 10 point lead. Romney has cut seven percentage points off that lead. I’m not even sure if Romney has battled for Michigan.

midgeorgian on October 8, 2012 at 8:04 PM

New Michigan EPIC/MRA poll for Detroit Free Press: Obama 48 Romney 45

It was a post-debate poll taken at the most favorable time for Romney.

That 7.8 jobs number literally might have saved Obama’s Presidency.

gumbyandpokey on October 8, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Last month this same pollster gave Obama a 10 point lead. Romney has cut seven percentage points off that lead. I’m not even sure if Romney has battled for Michigan.

midgeorgian on October 8, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Allah now has a story on this poll.

midgeorgian on October 8, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Do not like this poll. The sample is skewed too far Republican setting up a “Comeback Kid” narrative for obama after the next debate when they weight the sample D+3. Obama will look like he has momentum even if he has a mediocre second debate.
The Opinionator on October 8, 2012 at 8:03 PM

You would have preferred it showing Romney behind by 4 instead?

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:06 PM

You can tell the fear is building in the trolls.

wargamer6 on October 8, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Indeed..panic has set in with the commies…my Facebook newsfeed is completely devoid of liberal nonsense since the debate…it as if they actually watched their “hopenchange” dream literally disappear before their very eyes…
It seems the hard reality has hit them square between the eyes…the seas ain’t rising anymore…

Strike Hornet on October 8, 2012 at 8:10 PM

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:00 PM

They are freaking out !

pambi on October 8, 2012 at 8:10 PM

I am getting a certain deja vu 1980 all over again feeling now.

VorDaj on October 8, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Same here.

It isn’t just the polls. It’s understanding people, and I’ve been seeing unhappy, anxious people for a long time.

Those who urge caution are right. We’re not going to get ahead of ourselves, but it looks as though things are starting to turn. Finally.

Let’s keep at it.

And…. I must add that it feels great to share some laughs again. It’s been a long time.

Cody1991 on October 8, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Good Lord !
We gots us another one !!

pambi on October 8, 2012 at 7:43 PM

what do you call a liberal,modrate and coservative who walk’s in a bar? hi mitt!

regiestered republican, nov.6th i wont be.

so to all that beleive mitt is the answer, i laugh in your face!!!

he’s got an R by his name,big freaking deal. more BIG GOVERNMENT!!

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 8:18 PM

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:00 PM

They are freaking out !
pambi on October 8, 2012 at 8:10 PM

I’m enjoying watching the Dems totally freaking out. At any rate, enjoy this poll. There will be more polls, some good & some bad, in the remaining weeks, so rays of sunshine like one this should be savored while they’re on our plates.

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Thanks everyone,.. I just remember what the media doesn’t.. that Biden has the distinction of being wrong on every single major event he was a party to..

My beef with him is personal.. after the Fall of Saigon,.. the government placed thousands of refugees in central Ohio.. We had a crash course in Vietnamese culture when their children flooded in our relatively small high school.

His name.. I Know I’m spelling it wrong, was Nyong, and he lost all his family but his parents, and brothers.. because they were able to board a C-130 which had flown in from Clark.. thrown onboard as the crew chief was stripping them of belongings, luggage from some,.. anything to lighten them down to cram in more people..

That is the story which stayed with me.. That crew chief having to decide who lived, and who stayed.. they were dumping anything they could.. even equipment, to make that extra inch..

and good ol Joe.. helped that happen..

so no I didn’t forget..

here’s a resource which helped me nail down his bio..
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/

Biden also helped trash Clarence Thomas.. Robert Bork..

He’s a smear artist, and as sincere as a snake.

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 8:20 PM

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 8:18 PM

If we can’t have smarter monkeys, can we at least get one that’s slightly literate?

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:20 PM

…did you just wake up from a deep sh!t?

KOOLAID2 on October 8, 2012 at 7:59 PM
unlike you,i actually listen and read and not a f sheep!!

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 8:22 PM

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 8:22 PM

What is your plan?

Bmore on October 8, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Good Lord !
We gots us another one !!

pambi on October 8, 2012 at 7:43 PM

what do you call a liberal,modrate and coservative who walk’s in a bar? hi mitt!

regiestered republican, nov.6th i wont be.

so to all that beleive mitt is the answer, i laugh in your face!!!

he’s got an R by his name,big freaking deal. more BIG GOVERNMENT!!

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Doesn’t it damage the keys when you smash them with your crayon like that?

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 8:26 PM

If we can’t have smarter monkeys, can we at least get one that’s slightly literate?

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:20 PM
you act just like a smart azz liberal!

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Obama is the most beatable President ever that Mitt is tied speaks very poorly of Romney.

Steveangell on October 8, 2012 at 5:52 PM

So…vote for obama. You know you want to.

Or, write in Gary Johansen.

Solaratov on October 8, 2012 at 8:26 PM

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Does svs22422 have a plan that you know of?

Bmore on October 8, 2012 at 8:27 PM

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 8:26 PM

What is your plan?

Bmore on October 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM

I’m still open to a good plan.

Bmore on October 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Last month this same pollster gave Obama a 10 point lead. Romney has cut seven percentage points off that lead. I’m not even sure if Romney has battled for Michigan.

midgeorgian on October 8, 2012 at 8:04 PM

That was done to create interest and raise ratings…

Libfreelyonother’smoney on October 8

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CW on October 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

not a f sheep!!
svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 8:22 PM

You’re not a’ f-ing sheep anymore? Moved on to camels, have you? Ironically enough, you can also smoke a Camel afterwards as you bask in the afterglow. Love is grand.

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Doesn’t it damage the keys when you smash them with your crayon like that?

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 8:26 PM

another wannabe smart azz!

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Troollll meltdoWN !!!!!!! 11elevety111!!!!

***CLINK*****

hawkdriver on October 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

…did you just wake up from a deep sh!t?

KOOLAID2 on October 8, 2012 at 7:59 PM
unlike you,i actually listen and read and not a f sheep!!

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 8:22 PM

I call BS on the read part…

and listening must be easy when that SEIU bullhorn is blasting in your ear..

If you aren’t voting for Mitt.. stay home then.. Because a vote for Obama tells us you reward failure, reward dishonesty, and reward race baiting demagogues..

No ONE.. NOBODY thinks Mitt is Ronald Reagan.. whet he is, is a competent businessman who has the potential to turn the economy around, and he’s chosen Ryan, so he’s a serious player in trying to FIX the liberals mess..

if you cannot see that.. a f sheep is the least thing I’d say about you.. so open minded, your brain slide out.. There is no other option..

and if you’re a Paulian… a lost cause.. because reality was never in his DNA.. or his fanboys.

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 8:32 PM

You’re not a’ f-ing sheep anymore? Moved on to camels, have you? Ironically enough, you can also smoke a Camel afterwards as you bask in the afterglow. Love is grand.

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM
unlike you,i’ve never been a sheep,i’am a man of principle,PERIOD!

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Pew 2008 election:
Obama 52% McCain 46%
Actual vote 2008 election:
Obama 52.92% McCain 45.66%
whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 7:48 PM

That was based on a 3 month average before the election with undecideds allocated to either candidate. Math is hard?

There’s yet plenty of time for Mittens’ many lies to catch up with him.

Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 8:33 PM

LOL..the lack of knowledge on this board is adorable.

Election odds:

Obama Vegas odds 1 week ago: 5:1 favorite
Obama Vegas odds the day before the debate 4.5:1 favorite
Obama Vegas odds the day after the debate 2.5:1 favorite
Obama Vegas odds today: 2.9:1 favorite

Romney had a great debate night and cut into the lead. The electoral map is still ugly for Mitt. Check the odds daily if you want to know how the election is going. The Vegas point spread is the ultimate free market.

ZippyZ on October 8, 2012 at 8:34 PM

I call BS on the read part…
mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 8:32 PM

It’s a Moby-concern troll, Mark. And not a very good one at that – so just enjoy mocking it. Great good fun.

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Check the odds daily if you want to know how the election is going. The Vegas point spread is the ultimate free market.

ZippyZ on October 8, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Actually, no. I’m not getting my voting advice from your bookie.

Tennman on October 8, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Democrats are without exception liars, thieves, and vandals. I would no more vote for a Democrat than I would vote for Hugo Chavez.

claudius on October 8, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Doesn’t it damage the keys when you smash them with your crayon like that?

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 8:26 PM

another wannabe smart azz!

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

(grin)……

Oh no lil’ buddy…. I’m very much an accomplished smartazz…

You see.. I sharpened my fangs on Teddy democrats when you were still a handing out Linden LaRouche pamphlets at the airports.

or were you one of those Nuclear Freeze hippies?

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 8:38 PM

There’s yet plenty of time for Mittens’ many lies to catch up with him.

Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Lies?
Got a list? I’m sure everyone here would like to debunk them for you.

Count to 10 on October 8, 2012 at 8:38 PM

There’s yet plenty of time for Mittens’ many lies to catch up with him.

Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Yes there is sweetheart. And plenty of time for Benghazi, Chinese donors, Fast and Furious, cooked unemployment numbers, and the worst dfebate performance I’ve seen in my lifetime to catch up to your clown.

hawkdriver on October 8, 2012 at 8:38 PM

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Gee, all I asked was. What’s your plan? Is there a reason you don’t feel like sharing your plan? Its good isn’t it? I like good plans.

Bmore on October 8, 2012 at 8:39 PM

r keller on October 8, 2012 at 7:27 PM

.
For anyone who missed it, another large piece of the Libya puzzle fell into place today. We DON’T want Hillary to resign. We want her in place to keep the SCOAMF on point to answer for his LIES.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/08/top-clinton-aide-swiftly-briefed-capitol-hill-on-coordinated-attack/

Clinton aide swiftly briefed lawmakers on ‘coordinated’ Libya strike, despite Rice claims

In a briefing to Capitol Hill staffers delivered the day after the deadly Sept. 11 attack in Benghazi, a top aide to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the killings appeared to be the result of a terrorist attack.

Under Secretary of State for Management Patrick F. Kennedy — who exercises responsibility for all department personnel, facilities, and operations, and who is one of the department’s most respected civil servants, having served in his position under both the George W. Bush and Obama administrations — delivered the assessment in an unclassified, half-hour conference call with staff aides to House and Senate lawmakers from relevant committees, and leadership offices, on the evening of Sept. 12. Capitol Hill sources described the call to Fox News.

That a State Department official of Kennedy’s rank — one with direct oversight of the installations and people targeted in Benghazi — reached so swiftly the conclusion that the attacks were premeditated and coordinated stands in stark contrast to the opposing narrative pressed at that time, and for several days afterward, by other top officials at State, the White House, and the intelligence agencies.

Four days after Kennedy’s conference call, for example, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice appeared on five Sunday morning talk shows to insist that the attacks were neither coordinated nor premeditated, but were rather the result of a spontaneous mob action, inspired by an anti-Muslim video on the Internet, that spun out of control.

Rice has since told lawmakers that her comments reflected “the intelligence community’s best, current assessment as of the date of my television appearances,” and a spokesman to the Director of National Intelligence, James R. Clapper, has said in a statement that the intelligence community “revised our initial assessment to … (conclude) that it was a deliberate and organized terrorist attack carried out by extremists.”

According to participants on the Kennedy call, the under secretary noted he is not a “security expert,” but then focused on the presence of light and heavy weapons outside the U.S. consulate and annex in Benghazi where U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens and three other Americans had been killed the night before.

“He made clear that this was a sophisticated attack,” said one Hill staff aide with a security clearance. “He indicated this was fairly complex, and not, like, a protest that got out of hand. … These were not the kind of weapons you tote around.”

In subsequent days, Kennedy delivered an in-person, classified briefing to a group composed of many of the same congressional staff aides who had participated on the Sept. 12 conference call.

Fox News and other news organizations have previously reported that earlier on Sept. 12 — within 24 hours of learning about the murders — the Obama administration made a secret determination that Benghazi was indeed a terrorist attack. Doing so enabled them, under the terms of a 2001 anti-terrorism statute, to move men, money and materiel around more freely, and position these assets to meet the threats in Libya and other parts of the Mideast that had recently seen attacks on U.S. installations. Kennedy’s assessment accorded with that determination.

This leaves unexplained how Rice, ostensibly armed with the intelligence community’s best assessment, could have offered such a starkly different account in her Sunday show appearances. As late as Sept. 17, Fox News reported last week, high-level U.S. intelligence officials obtained from outside security contractors assessments of the mortar damage done at the U.S. annex in Benghazi. Sources told Fox News these officials then used the contractors’ mortar damage assessments — which indicated the presence of at least two highly skilled mortar teams using GPS devices — to rebut Rice’s claims internally.

The next day, on Sept. 19, Matthew Olsen, director of the National Counterterrorism Center, testified publicly that the attacks were an act of terrorism — which effectively ended the internal disputes roiling the Obama administration and the intelligence community.

A representative with the State Department did not respond to a request for comment Monday.

PolAgnostic on October 8, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Pew 2008 election:
Obama 52% McCain 46%
Actual vote 2008 election:
Obama 52.92% McCain 45.66%
whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 7:48 PM

There’s yet plenty of time for Mittens’ many lies to catch up with him.
Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Yes, you should hang on to the hope that “.004% of the population” can’t be right every election. Cheers!

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 8:33 PM
Gee, all I asked was. What’s your plan? Is there a reason you don’t feel like sharing your plan? Its good isn’t it? I like good plans.

Bmore on October 8, 2012 at 8:39 PM

yeah, you would think that he could “be more” specific.

hawkdriver on October 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

unlike you,i actually listen and read and not a f sheep!!

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 8:22 PM

So, you comment here to satisfy some sense of superiority?

Count to 10 on October 8, 2012 at 8:43 PM

It’s a Moby-concern troll, Mark. And not a very good one at that – so just enjoy mocking it. Great good fun.

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:36 PM

I will, thanks..

You know,.. when somebody states their virtue so emphatically like this..

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM
unlike you,i’ve never been a sheep,i’am a man of principle,PERIOD!

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 8:33 PM

but has no grammar or punctuation skills at all..

I’m torn between wanting to give him a hug, and loan him a 1st grade English premier….

or..

laugh rather loudly, and point..

Because if you really have a fully articulated set of principles, you wouldn’t express them as a set of snarls and grunts barely above the level of a quarter literate Cargo Cult member on an Indonesian island.

but maybe that’s just me..

there, have I fully established my smartazz cred for juuu?

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 8:47 PM

yeah, you would think that he could “be more” specific.

hawkdriver on October 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

HeIIfire, doesn’t even have to be specific, just a rough draft. Wonder why svs22422 doesn’t want to communicate with me? I have tried to and believe I have been courteous. It really isn’t a difficult question. I have a plan. I was hoping to compare and contrast plans. I’ll wait, maybe svs22422 just didn’t see my question yet. That has to be it.

Bmore on October 8, 2012 at 8:48 PM

unlike you,i’ve never been a sheep,i’am a man of principle ignorance,PERIOD!

svs22422

FIFY.

xblade on October 8, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Don’t get ahead of yourselves. You can’t count the dems out. They have the great oratory of biden.

BoxHead1 on October 8, 2012 at 8:52 PM

unlike you,i’ve never been a sheep,i’am a man of principle ignorance,PERIOD!

svs22422

FIFY.

xblade on October 8, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I like the way you think…

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Wow this is a really strange exchange. svs22422 did I say something wrong?

Bmore on October 8, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Del Dolemonte on October 8, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Or the Benghazi scandal. Bias by omission. They have at least all mentioned just how poorly Obama performed at the debate. Even Leno had some challenging remarks.

dogsoldier on October 8, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Well, to be fair CNN and C-BS seem to be digging into Benghazi. Which in itself is surprising.

Del Dolemonte on October 8, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Google News Top Headline

Pew poll puts Romney ahead with one month to election

sentinelrules on October 8, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Yes, you should hang on to the hope that “.004% of the population” can’t be right every election. Cheers!
whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

So you think they polled the exact same .004% in every poll? Do you understand how polls work?

Lies?
Got a list? I’m sure everyone here would like to debunk them for you.
Count to 10 on October 8, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Let’s go with the top ten. Enjoy.

Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 8:57 PM

How incredibly odd.

Bmore on October 8, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Oh look my new girlfriend just showed up. Hiya swettie. *wink* Oh, wait, ; )

Bmore on October 8, 2012 at 9:04 PM

I like the way you think…

mark81150 on October 8, 2012 at 8:52 PM
bring it on smart azz!

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 9:04 PM

sweettie?

Bmore on October 8, 2012 at 9:05 PM

There’s yet plenty of time for Mittens’ many lies to catch up with him.

Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Name the many lies, please, with credible and multi-sourced cites.

(Starts Hourglass)

Del Dolemonte on October 8, 2012 at 9:05 PM

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 9:04 PM

I was just wondering, you may have missed my earlier question. Whats the plan?

Bmore on October 8, 2012 at 9:06 PM

(Starts Hourglass)

Del Dolemonte on October 8, 2012 at 9:05 PM

You mean because women are always slow to get ready. She is a sweetie though.

Bmore on October 8, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Let’s go with the top ten. Enjoy.

Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Brilliant Satire!

An “analysis” from a Democrat blog that quotes heavily from the thoroughly discredited “Poltifacts” out of St. Petersburg, and also quotes heavily from al-Associated Press, who just last year had to sample almost twice as many Democrats as Republicans in a “poll” to bump up Fearless Leader’s Job Approval by 6 points after he strangled bin Laden?

F-

Del Dolemonte on October 8, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Feels like everyone is getting nervous about this Biden/Ryan debate. Definitely expect a bounce for Obama after the debate. Ryan just needs to avoid making a mistake and just accept that Biden will win most of the exchanges. Ryan’s strategy should be to minimize the damage.

BoxHead1 on October 8, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Let’s go with the top ten. Enjoy.

Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Let’s just run with a single charge on your guy. Dereliction of duty.

hawkdriver on October 8, 2012 at 9:12 PM

You would have preferred it showing Romney behind by 4 instead?

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Not at all. Just saying that I think Pew is sandbagging us and when they adjust the sample it will have the effect of creating the “Obama is surging” narrative.

The Opinionator on October 8, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Let’s go with the top ten. Enjoy.

Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 8:57 PM

LOL
You’re a real piece of work, aren’t you.
Here I was actually expecting you to come up with something remotely real.

Count to 10 on October 8, 2012 at 9:22 PM

So, you comment here to satisfy some sense of superiority?

Count to 10 on October 8, 2012 at 8:43 PM
i’ve been apart of hot air since day 1. the BOSS got me interested in the net.her original site was my first experience on the net. i use to admire hot air commentaires and commenters.there’s hardly any difference between their nasty,smarmy commentarires than the liberals anymore.alot of people on here treat people who dissagree with smarmy disgusting comments hardly any different than alec baldwin. i will always be apart of hot air, but alot of their commenters can kiss my azz. it’s not about facts and truth anymore, it’s about d’s,r’s and cheap points.

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 9:22 PM

(Starts Hourglass)

Del Dolemonte on October 8, 2012 at 9:05 PM

You mean because women are always slow to get ready. She is a sweetie though.

Bmore on October 8, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Usually use a stopwatch, but these things take time.

Also have a Sundial, but that only works when most of the Democrats are asleep.

Del Dolemonte on October 8, 2012 at 9:23 PM

thoroughly discredited “Poltifacts”
al-Associated Press
Del Dolemonte on October 8, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Oh Dole, you and your broad, baseless assertions.

Why did you change your handle? Get banned?

Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 9:24 PM

I was just wondering, you may have missed my earlier question. Whats the plan?

Bmore on October 8, 2012 at 9:06 PM
please ask again,thanks.

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Yes, you should hang on to the hope that “.004% of the population” can’t be right every election. Cheers!
whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

So you think they polled the exact same .004% in every poll?
Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I see, I understand you now. Because their polling methods are spot on correct they can’t possibly get it right again. Yeah, that makes sense.

A bit more schadenfreude, courtesy of your fellow kooks at Kos:
Now, we’re all counting on Biden to destroy Ryan? I like Biden, and I believe he’s a good man, but that doesn’t seem to matter. And lets be honest, he is liable to say anything. One little misstep by Biden and we’re f–ked. Then what do we do?
I hope the polls reverse, quick.

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 9:33 PM

You would have preferred it showing Romney behind by 4 instead?
whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Not at all. Just saying that I think Pew is sandbagging us and when they adjust the sample it will have the effect of creating the “Obama is surging” narrative.
The Opinionator on October 8, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Too much in the “I know what they think that I think they think, so they think I will think what they want me to think, but I will think something else” vein for my taste. But whatever.

To paraphrase Freud – sometimes a poll is just a poll. You get good ones, you get bad ones.

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 9:38 PM

So you think they polled the exact same .004% in every poll?

Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Clearly, you have no understanding of either inferential statistics or probability theory.

HTL on October 8, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Clearly, you have no understanding of either inferential statistics or probability theory.
HTL on October 8, 2012 at 9:40 PM

I understand that polling a different .004% of the population six times over three months is more accurate than doing it once. That is math, at which conservatives are (still) notoriously bad.

Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Clearly, you have no understanding of either inferential statistics or probability theory.

HTL on October 8, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Aww you gave dummy another chance to demonstrate his stupidity!

tom daschle concerned on October 8, 2012 at 9:47 PM

That is math, at which conservatives are (still) notoriously bad.

Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 9:43 PM

57 States.

hawkdriver on October 8, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Why did you change your handle? Get banned?

Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 9:24 PM

OK, Class.

I’ve been here since Captain Ed came over.

Have I ever changed my handle?

Or been banned?

(Starts Hamilton Split Second Aviator Chronograph)

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Del Dolemonte on October 8, 2012 at 9:52 PM

That is math, at which conservatives are (still) notoriously bad.

Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Please provide us with credible, multi-sourced empirical evidence to support this assertion.

Or are you referring to your Democrat Math Witch Doctor Pauline Krugman? You might recall that Nobel gave Krugs a Fake Prize.

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Del Dolemonte on October 8, 2012 at 9:58 PM

I understand that polling a different .004% of the population six times over three months is more accurate than doing it once. That is math, at which conservatives are (still) notoriously bad.
Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 9:43 PM

That explains why even Kos also comes up with Romney ahead; Markos is an undercover conservative, an agent of that notorious right wing outfit, the SEIU. They’re all in cohoots on the .004% of the population conspiracy!

“Markos Moulitsas ‏@markos
This week’s dkos/SEIU weekly poll has Romney in the lead. Bulk of calls were made Thu & Fri, after R’s post-debate bounce. Details Tuesday
10:46 AM – 8 Oct 12″

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 9:59 PM

. i will always be apart of hot air, but alot of their commenters can kiss my azz. it’s not about facts and truth anymore, it’s about d’s,r’s and cheap points.

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Sure.

/

You’re just another crank who has ADDED NOTHING of Value.

Laters.

CW on October 8, 2012 at 10:00 PM

That is math, at which conservatives are (still) notoriously bad.

Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 9:43 PM

You’re about as lame as our trolls get…congrats.

God this is getting pathetic.

CW on October 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

That is math, at which conservatives are (still) notoriously bad.

Constantine on October 8, 2012 at 9:43 PM

57 States.

hawkdriver on October 8, 2012 at 9:52 PM

10,000 people killed by a tornado.

whatcat on October 8, 2012 at 10:02 PM

svs22422 on October 8, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Pssst apart? I think you mean a part. As you at least twice made this error I can only assume that you have not been a blogger or a user of the English language long.

CW on October 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM

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