Chuck Todd: The enthusiasm gap is real — and a real problem for Obama

posted at 2:01 pm on October 8, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Did the enthusiasm gap detected by the Politico/GWU poll published today have to do with the debate performance by Barack Obama on Wednesday night? Not necessarily, and it might mean that the full impact of the debate has yet to materialize.  On yesterday’s Meet the Press, Chuck Todd detailed the falloff in enthusiasm among key Democratic demographics, both compared to stronger Republican demos and to the 2008 election.  And Todd points out that these numbers came from a survey before the debate (via NewsAlert):

The HuffPo has the transcript:

 Well, it’s simply an enthusiasm gap. And we’re seeing it across the board. Look at here in this first one. 79% of Republicans call themselves extremely interested in this election. On a scale of one to ten, that means they said they’re a nine or a ten on interest in the election. 73% of Democrats.

Look at four years ago. It was a 13 point gap in favor of the Democrats. Let me go through some various voting groups. This is an important voting group. Seniors are an important voting group to Mitt Romney now. He leads them by about 10 points in our NBC Wall Street Journal poll. Look at this in engagement in the election. Four years ago was 81%, pretty higher. Even higher this time at 87%. And Romney’s doing better among seniors than McCain did.

Let me go to an important voting group for the president, young voters. Look at this engagement level: 52% now they call themselves, voters 18 to 34, call themselves extremely interested in this election. Four years ago it was 72%. That 20 gap. The president wins young voters by huge margins. He’s winning them by some 20-plus points. But if you don’t have this kind of enthusiasm, they’re not going to show up to the polls.

And then let me give you this last one here, because this is, I think, the most important one. And that’s Hispanics. The President’s winning Hispanics by 50 points. He hit the 70% mark. However, look at this in terms of interest in the election. 59% now, it was 77%. What does that mean? President got 65%, I believe, of Hispanics four years ago.

So even though he’s going to get more Hispanics, if less of them turn out, it’s a net zero. And yet, you look at Republican enthusiasm, up, senior enthusiasm, up. It’s a huge problem. And by the way, all of this, pre-debate.

Had Obama shown up to the debate with some preparation and energy but still got outdebated, the impact on voter enthusiasm might have been minimal.  However, Obama looked distracted, disengaged, and, well … unenthusiastic about his own candidacy on Wednesday night.  If Obama can’t be bothered to at least look enthusiastic, what kind of message did that send to his voting constituencies?  Don’t be surprised to see these gaps widen in the next round of polling.


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And everyone knows that’s true.
 
libfreeordie on August 5, 2012 at 7:48 PM

rogerb on October 8, 2012 at 2:04 PM

It’s a problem for F Chuck Todd as well. If he looses The Obumbler then he looses his go to azz cheek to kiss. F Chuck is a douche bag, plain and simple. I look at him as sort of Tingles Mathews piss boy.

Tbone McGraw on October 8, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Had Obama shown up to the debate with some preparation

Ahh… the memes.

NBC’s Peter Alexander: Obama Has Prepared More For This Debate Than Any Sitting President [in the modern era]

faraway on October 8, 2012 at 2:05 PM

However, Obama looked distracted, disengaged, and, well … unenthusiastic about his own candidacy on Wednesday night. If Obama can’t be bothered to at least look enthusiastic, what kind of message did that send to his voting constituencies?

He’s doing to his own career what Lindsay Lohan is doing to her own. He’s a diva, for pete’s sakes. I mean, we caricature him as President Kardashi, but I think that even Kim Kardashian shows up for work and flaunts her boobies while looking pretty excited about it…./

ted c on October 8, 2012 at 2:06 PM

I honestly think it all boils down to the fact that Obama is not running on a future agenda but, rather, snappishly defending the past four years and decalaring his opponent causes cancer. It’s hard to get people enthused about another four years just like the last four.

Happy Nomad on October 8, 2012 at 2:06 PM

er…Kardashi= Kardashian. duh

ted c on October 8, 2012 at 2:06 PM

This is a big reason why the polling has seemed so screwy. D +8 samples are somewhat defensible if the electorate is shaping up to be that way, but there’s zero indication of that. We’ve still got a little over three weeks ago, and these numbers might shift, but it’s hard to see how Obama wins if enthusiasm is way down for him and Romney is winning indies.

changer1701 on October 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Could I ask: Why are some going to vote for Old Downgrade anyway?

What are his plans to keep the government from bankruptcy?

What are his plans to protect the nation?

What are his plans period?

Chip on October 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Obama has to run against one man this time, not the ghost of Bush, and he now has a record. We didn’t have an election last time, it was a forgone conclusion who was going to win.

If you have friends that will still vote for Obama, despite all that we now know, time to get new friends.

Elections have consequences and we are suffering through those consequences right now.

TroubledMonkey on October 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Everyone knows that Romney pulled a Freaky Friday on Obama.

Romney said some magic words, and bam… Obama was inside Mitt’s body giving a great speech.

faraway on October 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM

I will say it again…last pres election, I drive through a predominately black section of town, bumper stickers, business signs, signs in yards, nice singing marches most every day, with blacks and whites beating a drum and singing a chanting Obama song. I had never seen anything like it…

This year…crickets, no bumper stickers (besides the ones left over from 4 years ago), no signs, no marches, no meetings…just a heavy dose of reality.

The difference is amazing, and that is what I will remember most of all the startling contrast between 4 years ago, and now…what is happening now is just a reflection on what has been going on for the past year or more.

Obama is just a fading memory…but his policies have stained our country for decades, like cheap graffiti. It soils the property and adds nothing to it’s value.

right2bright on October 8, 2012 at 2:09 PM

When you’ve lost Chuck Todd…

gatorboy on October 8, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Ahh… the memes.

NBC’s Peter Alexander: Obama Has Prepared More For This Debate Than Any Sitting President [in the modern era]

faraway on October 8, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Good catch but don’t confuse the media with their previously reported “facts.” Somehow that’s not fair.

Drained Brain on October 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM

The much lower enthusiasm in the democrat base is going to destroy Obama… If 3% of his voters from 2008 stay home in 2012 combined with 10% of his “White Voters” from 2008 switching for Romney in 2012 then Obama is certain to lose the elections… The math cannot be challenged here…

mnjg on October 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM

NBC’s Peter Alexander: Obama Has Prepared More For This Debate

Than Any Sitting President [in the modern era]

faraway on October 8, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Which would make the whooping all the more delicious! But we know it isn’t true. Sununu is right, the man is lazy and disengaged. There is no way he worked hard getting ready for the Denver debate. Now, it will be interesting to see how he preps for the next debate.

Happy Nomad on October 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Everyone knows that Romney pulled a Freaky Friday on Obama.

Romney said some magic words, and bam… Obama was inside Mitt’s body giving a great speech.

faraway on October 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Ahh Yes, but when did they change back?

Chip on October 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Chucky T seems to be getting emotional about the legacy media’s inability to move the needle for Dear Leader. How could this be happening?

d1carter on October 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM

WOW!!

Taniel‏@Taniel

.@markos says new PPP national poll he’ll release tomorrow has Romney ahead. This will be first non-Rasmussen lead for Romney since August.

https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/255367755317002241

sentinelrules on October 8, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Ahh… the memes.

NBC’s Peter Alexander: Obama Has Prepared More For This Debate Than Any Sitting President [in the modern era]

faraway on October 8, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Obama is simply a stupid man with a low IQ… You cannot overcome genetics…

mnjg on October 8, 2012 at 2:12 PM

When you’ve lost Chuck Todd…

gatorboy on October 8, 2012 at 2:09 PM

…you’re better off.

trigon on October 8, 2012 at 2:14 PM

WOW!!

Taniel‏@Taniel

.@markos says new PPP national poll he’ll release tomorrow has Romney ahead. This will be first non-Rasmussen lead for Romney since August.

https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/255367755317002241

sentinelrules on October 8, 2012 at 2:11 PM

And that’s PPP. If even they show Romney in the lead, Obama’s in trouble.

Doughboy on October 8, 2012 at 2:14 PM

ted c on October 8, 2012 at 2:06 PM

You meanie…

antisocial on October 8, 2012 at 2:14 PM

POTUS wants to hang with the Hollywood homies, so why don’t we evaluate him through the lens of Hollywood success. I mean, he had a bad day–he didn’t perform well, it wasn’t an Emmy winning portrayal of a president at debate. He’s turning into a diva, a reality show punk. He needs to get himself into some trouble. Maybe he’s just acting as a ‘studio gangsta’…He needs to act out more….. from ABC News:

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=5058678&page=1#.UHMWs6PAHyI

Why is it celebrities seem to get a free pass for behaving badly? Wallenstein blames the public’s love affair with celebrities and fame.

No one knows that better than the people in reality television shows. Ever since Puck got expelled from the house on MTV’s “The Real World,” in 1994, misbehaving has grabbed headlines. “In reality TV shows, this is a goldmine — misbehavior, acting out — it’s exactly what they look for,” Miller said.

Wallenstein sees parallels between the worlds of reality TV and hip-hop. In hip-hop, there’s even an expression for a person who has no dirt in his personal life: He’s called a “studio gangsta.”

“They’re not really gangstas, but put on the pretense of being so, because that’s part and parcel of being a hip-hop star,” Wallenstein said. “We expect these people to have rap sheets.

The public also has become inured to the constant barrage of headlines proclaiming the latest misdeeds of not just celebrities, but politicians and athletes. “The sheer volume of these instances has rendered the public numb,” Wallenstein said. “People say, ‘Oh it goes with the territory.’”

If Obama wants to improve his chances, he needs to do something shocking to rattle his base. It’s part of his character as a thug–part of the “get in their face” thing. Or, is that just for the little people out at the ACORN office?

ted c on October 8, 2012 at 2:15 PM

WOW!!

Taniel‏@Taniel

.@markos says new PPP national poll he’ll release tomorrow has Romney ahead. This will be first non-Rasmussen lead for Romney since August.
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/255367755317002241

sentinelrules on October 8, 2012 at 2:11 PM

I think I just saw a pig fly outslde my office window.

One of 2 explanations:

1. PPP had moved to save-our-reputation mode in which they stop over-sampling Democrats, or
2. Obama is in such deep trouble that even PPP’s over-sampling cant save him.

milcus on October 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Did you know this?

(caution, it’s The Onion)

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2012 at 2:19 PM

NBC’s Peter Alexander: Obama Has Prepared More For This Debate

Than Any Sitting President [in the modern era]

faraway on October 8, 2012 at 2:05 PM
Which would make the whooping all the more delicious! But we know it isn’t true. Sununu is right, the man is lazy and disengaged. There is no way he worked hard getting ready for the Denver debate. Now, it will be interesting to see how he preps for the next debate.

Happy Nomad on October 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM

…like that people keep reminding us what Peter said while all his cohorts cry that JugEars blew the debate off…and how much could he really improve for the next debate?

KOOLAID2 on October 8, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Obama’s home teleprompter malfunctions.

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Well earned Momentum. Hopefully the pendulum doesn’t reach its end point before November 6th.

portlandon on October 8, 2012 at 2:23 PM

One of 2 explanations:

1. PPP had moved to save-our-reputation mode in which they stop over-sampling Democrats, or
2. Obama is in such deep trouble that even PPP’s over-sampling cant save him.

milcus on October 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Wrong…it’s both…

right2bright on October 8, 2012 at 2:24 PM

One of 2 explanations:

1. PPP had moved to save-our-reputation mode in which they stop over-sampling Democrats, or
2. Obama is in such deep trouble that even PPP’s over-sampling cant save him.

milcus on October 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM

3. Moulitas has been kidnapped by The Evil Karl Rove and replaced with an audio-anamatronic cyborg.

aunursa on October 8, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Atomic Bomb.

Del Dolemonte on October 8, 2012 at 2:24 PM

So the youth vote (predominately self-obsorbed and immature) and the hispanic vote (predominately a single issue group that just wants citizenship for all) are the real concern??

how sad it is that the dems most important election issue is getting those two groups to vote for dems.

jetch on October 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM

One of 2 explanations:

1. PPP had moved to save-our-reputation mode in which they stop over-sampling Democrats, or
2. Obama is in such deep trouble that even PPP’s over-sampling cant save him.

milcus on October 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM

It’s both, really.

WisRich on October 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM

Obama’s home teleprompter malfunctions.

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2012 at 2:23 PM

hahahahahahahaha

Very funny

faraway on October 8, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Happy Nomad on October 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM

On style maybe. But the content bewilders me. He is the Chief Executive. He doesn’t need a prep on his track record. Or is he just doing Present all this while?

antisocial on October 8, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Heh

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2012 at 2:26 PM

I will say it again…last pres election, I drive through a predominately black section of town, bumper stickers, business signs, signs in yards, nice singing marches most every day, with blacks and whites beating a drum and singing a chanting Obama song. I had never seen anything like it…

This year…crickets, no bumper stickers (besides the ones left over from 4 years ago), no signs, no marches, no meetings…just a heavy dose of reality.

The difference is amazing, and that is what I will remember most of all the startling contrast between 4 years ago, and now…what is happening now is just a reflection on what has been going on for the past year or more.

Obama is just a fading memory…but his policies have stained our country for decades, like cheap graffiti. It soils the property and adds nothing to it’s value.

right2bright on October 8, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Ditto….and I live in suburban Cook County. Nary a sign to be seen, I’ve seen ONE bo2012 sticker this month.

herm2416 on October 8, 2012 at 2:27 PM

You’re just a memory of a love
That used to be
You’re just a memory of a love
That used to mean so much to me

Rolling Stones – Memory Hotel

joejm65 on October 8, 2012 at 2:28 PM

“Obama had his staff put a long, angry rant into the teleprompter for him to scream at them”

hahahahahaha

faraway on October 8, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Everyone knows that Romney pulled a Freaky Friday on Obama.

Romney said some magic words, and bam… Obama was inside Mitt’s body giving a great speech.

faraway on October 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Flagrant-riff-off-debate-SNL skit Alert!

/Shame on you. Your original material is excellent.

Christien on October 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM

And Todd points out that these numbers came from a survey before the debate
===========

So,that would mean,that Mittens was the second iceberg
that Hopey scraped up against,hahahaahah!

canopfor on October 8, 2012 at 2:35 PM

“Enthusiasm gap”?

How about … just maybe … people have seen that “Hope and Change” and don’t want any more to do with it?

GarandFan on October 8, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Viral

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Atomic Bomb.

Del Dolemonte on October 8, 2012 at 2:24 PM

I can see the mushroom from my house in France :-)

jimver on October 8, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Chuck Todd: The enthusiasm gap is real — and a real problem for Obama
=====================================================================

Its O.T.P Babyeeeeee!

O.T.P. ( One Term President ) by WOLVERINES!
********************************************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MddREczVeL4

canopfor on October 8, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Atomic Bomb.

Del Dolemonte on October 8, 2012 at 2:24 PM
============================================

I can see the mushroom from my house in France :-)

jimver on October 8, 2012 at 2:38 PM

jimver:Haha,I can smell vapourized Donkey Poo,here in Canada!:)

canopfor on October 8, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Seniors are an important voting group to Mitt Romney now.

AH-HA! See that? I tells ya, the Republicans are just the party of old white people or something!

/KuntaKinte

UltimateBob on October 8, 2012 at 2:44 PM

I was looking at a left-leaning blog today and the writer mentioned that we’re electing the 45th President next month. I’m sure she didn’t intend to refer to Romney, but it was nevertheless funny.

22044 on October 8, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Rush is on this now.

So even though he’s going to get more Hispanics, if less of them turn out, it’s a net zero. And yet, you look at Republican enthusiasm, up, senior enthusiasm, up. It’s a huge problem. And by the way, all of this, pre-debate.

And before the Univision Fast and Furious expose?

dogsoldier on October 8, 2012 at 2:46 PM

I pray Mitt could answer one question in fluid Spanish like W or even his son Craig. The Latino advantage would drop by 15 points.

budfox on October 8, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Thank goodness we can count on the I-wanna-free-t-shirt clueless young voters staying away from the polls.

JRCash on October 8, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Gallup reports Romney’s debate win biggest ever.

22044 on October 8, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Just stay on that couch pookie

cmsinaz on October 8, 2012 at 2:51 PM

F. Chuck Todd: Those gaps are real and they’re spectacular!

WisRich on October 8, 2012 at 2:53 PM

This election is over. Romney will win by 6 points, 53-47.

Rasmussen Party Id, ending September 2012 is R+2.6.
Sep 2010 (Repub midterm landslide) it was D+1.5.
Sep 2008 (Dem POTUS big win) it was D+5.6.
Sep 2006 (Dem midterm solid win) it was D+4.8.
Sep 2004 (Repub POTUS win) it was D+0.6.

We are looking at a Republican landslide.

kevinkristy on October 8, 2012 at 2:53 PM

The President’s winning Hispanics by 50 points. He hit the 70% mark. However, look at this in terms of interest in the election. 59% now, it was 77%.

He has been lying to those people for 5 years and Univision called him out on it.

Not a good thing for Team Zero.

UltimateBob on October 8, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Gallup economist: Friday’s job numbers should be ‘discounted’

Jacobe sounded a skeptical note about the nearly 900,000 jobs created, as reported by the Labor Department’s seasonally adjusted household survey.

“This surge in hiring seems surprisingly large given the current economy,” Jacobe wrote.

“The obvious conclusion is that a new employment measure is needed,” he added later.

Gallup does their own unemployment survey and consistently has similar results to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. In mid-September, they predicted the unemployment rate could be as low as 7.9 percent, but would probably be 8 percent or higher.

“[I]t seems unlikely that the government will report another major drop in the size of the workforce after showing an unadjusted decline of 1.27 million and an adjusted decline of 368,000 in the workforce in August,” wrote Jacobe in September.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/08/gallup-economist-fridays-job-numbers-should-be-discounted/

Resist We Much on October 8, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Correction to my earlier post: The song is Memory Motel. Not Hotel. My apologies. Carry on.

joejm65 on October 8, 2012 at 2:57 PM

F. Chuck Todd: Those gaps are real and they’re spectacular!

WisRich on October 8, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Heh… That’s two great Seinfeld references in one week!

President Jerk Store.

UltimateBob on October 8, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Joe Klein is nuts.

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2012 at 2:58 PM

This election is over. Romney will win by 6 points, 53-47.

Rasmussen Party Id, ending September 2012 is R+2.6.
Sep 2010 (Repub midterm landslide) it was D+1.5.
Sep 2008 (Dem POTUS big win) it was D+5.6.
Sep 2006 (Dem midterm solid win) it was D+4.8.
Sep 2004 (Repub POTUS win) it was D+0.6.

We are looking at a Republican landslide.

kevinkristy on October 8, 2012 at 2:53 PM

A little more perspective from 2010:

Nov R +1.3%
Oct D +2.9%
Sept D +1.5%

In 2010, November was the first month the R’s lead.

In 2012, R has been up in every single month.

Chuck Schick on October 8, 2012 at 3:01 PM

“Time for Plan B, Mr. President,” said Axelrod.

“You’d flukin’ better believe it,” shrieked the Mahdi (PBUH). “Alert our friends in the media.”

Bain Bain Bain
Mormon Mormon Mormon
Bain Bain Bain
Mormon Mormon Mormon
Bain Bain Bain
Mormon Mormon Mormon

(Fun Fact: Bain means “bath” in French!)

spiritof61 on October 8, 2012 at 3:01 PM

One of 2 explanations:

1. PPP had moved to save-our-reputation mode in which they stop over-sampling Democrats, or
2. Obama is in such deep trouble that even PPP’s over-sampling cant save him.

milcus on October 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM

It could also be PPP is trying to light a fire under the Obama campaign. However, I think #1 is most likely.

Doomberg on October 8, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Heh

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Funny.
I love the weather blurb on the left of the header.

“Two inches of snow followed by three inches of rock salt”

That’s about how it was the winter I spent in Boston. Ah, Democrats. They’d be funny if they weren’t so destructive.

single stack on October 8, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Piece on the Obama lie that Romney supports a 5 Trillion tax cut.

Study cited says no such thing. It supports Romney that it would be revenue neutral.

Steveangell on October 8, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Joe Klein is nuts.

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Bucktoothed jackass.

UltimateBob on October 8, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Joe Klein is nuts.

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Bucktoothed jackass.

UltimateBob on October 8, 2012 at 3:06 PM

LMAO!!

thread winnah!!

ToddPA on October 8, 2012 at 3:07 PM

By any measure in a free country with honest elections; Buraq Hussein should have one of his staff taking bids from moving companies to get the best deal possible.

But I remind everybody that his best friend in South America; dictator Hugo Chavez [who has formally endorsed Obama] won re-election in a country where food and fuel is rationed, people are starving because of his policies, where the media is under his control, and his secret police has free rein.

I also note that Fidel Castro’s niece, Mariela Castro, who along with the entire Castro family who have endorsed Obama; declared before the vote counting that she had advance notice of what the vote count would be.

http://faustasblog.com/2012/10/venezuela-the-results/

10:27PM EST
Adding to the circus, Fidel Castro’s nice said she had the results in advance,

Nothing says democratic legitimacy like Fidel Castro’s niece saying she has the results in advance.

— Joshua Treviño (@jstrevino) October 8, 2012

Twitter hashtag: #ComiendoUñas #BitingNails

One wonders what date the Administration will decide what the final vote count will be for November 6.

Vote as if your country depends on it. We may be able to push it beyond the margin of theft. And if not, the battle is not over.

Subotai Bahadur on October 8, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Chuck Schick on October 8, 2012 at 3:01 PM

kevinkristy on October 8, 2012 at 2:53 PM

And again, that was pre-debate.

TallDave on October 8, 2012 at 3:18 PM

And yet, even Rasmussen assumes a Dem +3 turnout.

The Takeaway is that the fake polling is have NO negative effect on Romney. His lead with Independents is only expanding.

mitchellvii on October 8, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Bucktoothed jackass.

UltimateBob on October 8, 2012 at 3:06 PM

LMAO!!

thread winnah!!

ToddPA on October 8, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Thanks! Just to be clear, I was talking about Joe Klein, not our friend Schadenfreude. :-)

UltimateBob on October 8, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Could I ask: Why are some going to vote for Old Downgrade anyway?

Chip on October 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Because they think their “free stuff” comes from Obama’s stash, not from taxpayers, or in the case of Obama-phone lady, from the 1% to the 99%. They have been told and the bandwagon has been pulled through, that Romney will take away all their free stuff.

Then there are those that are smarter, like my brother, who think the government really should be in the nanny business and can’t be convinced otherwise.

Both groups, brainwashed. Half by the Sharptons and other demagogues, half by their college professors. . .

PastorJon on October 8, 2012 at 3:32 PM

I think the O campaign strategy of screeching “Romney’s lying!” is going to backfire and make things even worse for them.

67 million people watched the debate with their own lyin’ eyes, and by now even more people have read or heard about the debate.

Romney sounded like he knew what he was talking about and his resume in business and as Gov support that impression. Obama has no positive results to show. In a he said/he said argument, Romney is more credible and believable.

The continued accusations by O that R is lying just look pathetic and dishonest, further underscoring the poor impression Obama made at the debate. Downward spiral.

Mayday on October 8, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Chuck Todd is also shocked – shocked! – that even people like Jack Welch distrust our institutions so much that they suspect manipulation of the employment numbers. Well, Chuckie, you lying hack propagandist, this is the inevitable result of your biased coverage and ignoring every Democratic scandal and corruption under Obama. Your tears of grief fall like sweet, gentle rain.

Romney kicked Obama’s butt in the debate, but the magnitude of it wasn’t how great Romney was but how badly Obama sucked. He looked like a child caught red-handed doing something very wrong, being lectured by his Daddy and looking down, knowing it’s going to end with a trip to the woodshed.

But that’s not why Obama is going to lose. The debate may or may not turn out to have been the turning point, but the reason Obama will lose was there all along.

It’s the economy, stupid.

Adjoran on October 8, 2012 at 3:36 PM

What a classless hack

“Everybody here are just incredible professionals. They’re such great friends, and they just perform flawlessly night after night,” Obama said, thanking the musicians for their performance.

“I can’t always say the same,” he added to laughter and applause from the crowd.

“I am a fairly competitive guy,” Obama said during the event. “Clooney has played basketball with me. And I don’t like to lose — especially not to actors.”

“We were on the same team,” Clooney reminded Obama.

“We were on the same team,” Obama replied. “I put him on the team — and we did win.”

Schadenfreude on October 8, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Thanks! Just to be clear, I was talking about Joe Klein, not our friend Schadenfreude. :-)

UltimateBob on October 8, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Yes, I know…..Sorry to Schad.

ToddPA on October 8, 2012 at 3:46 PM

The only Obama speech I will listen to is his concession.

COgirl on October 8, 2012 at 4:15 PM

WHOA

Pew

Romney 49/45

Chuck Schick on October 8, 2012 at 4:21 PM

As a result, more Republicans are making it through the likely-voter screen, giving the GOP a 5-point advantage on party identification, a significant change from last month, when Democrats held a 10-point advantage. Republicans now make up 36 percent of likely voters, up from 29 percent last month. Democratic identification among likely voters declined from 39 percent last month, to 31 percent now.

From the Pew Poll article. It looks like the polls were skewed after all, eh?

DrStock on October 8, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Hispanics are only going to be 9% of the electorate, but that’s Chuck’s “most important” point? How odd.

Ostrich Egg on October 8, 2012 at 4:48 PM

WHOA

Pew

Romney 49/45

Chuck Schick on October 8, 2012 at 4:21 PM

7.8% Atomic Bomb Effect?

Del Dolemonte on October 8, 2012 at 4:51 PM

So my instincts were right about a Romney win being less than 50-50 because Obama had defined him and the MSM had prevented Romney from connecting with a large pool of voters. When Romney had the podium in front of 70 million people he connected and the dynamics of the race have now changed.

hestrold on October 8, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Everyone knows that Romney pulled a Freaky Friday on Obama.

Romney said some magic words, and bam… Obama was inside Mitt’s body giving a great speech.

faraway on October 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Ahh Yes, but when did they change back?

Chip on October 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM

An insider to the Obama group said that when he met with his advisors back stage, Obama thought he done okay with the debate. It was not until the next morning when they showed him clips of his performance that he grasped how bad he had been. So it would seem that the swap back happened as soon as the debate was over. He did look a bit confused and quickly left the stage. The next morning he was also asking who was that guy who looked like Romney that was standing behind the other podium. The swap really confused him. :P

Franklyn on October 8, 2012 at 11:18 PM

HA is simply the worst out there at embedding videos I can watch on my iphone. A lot of big blanks.

Sherman1864 on October 9, 2012 at 5:40 AM