One winner from the debate… coal miners

posted at 7:01 pm on October 6, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

It seems that one unexpected group of people may have gotten a decided lift from Mitt Romney’s success at the first presidential debate. According to Business Insider, coal miners – lately in tremendous fear for their livelihoods – may have reason to hope for saving their jobs if Mitt pulls out a win next month.

The biggest winners today were coal companies. Last night, Romney gave high praise to coal and clean coal technology. Shares of Alpha Natural Resources and Arch Coal soared today.

It’s no secret that coal miners, along with all of the subsidiary industries which rely on domestic energy production from these sources, have been daunted by the prospect of Obama’s EPA having another four years to run on unchecked. The company cited above, Alpha Natural Resources, announced just last month that they were looking at a closing eight mines and slashing production by 16 million tons annually. That translates into roughly 1,200 direct jobs – many in Ohio, Virginia and Pennsylvania – and who knows how many in associated lines of business.

But with some new management at the EPA and a fresh look at the raft of new regulations which are forcing coal plants to shut down if they can’t complete conversions costing billions of dollars on short notice, those jobs may yet be saved. None of this, of course, deals with the additional question of what this will do to heating and energy costs just as winter approaches.

For a final bonus, the video below is a Fox Business News interview with Alpha’s CEO, where he explains the industry view of the crossroads they find themselves at. It’s only a few minutes long and well worth a look.



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Obama & Biden will be lucky if they each get a lump of coal on Halloween.

itsnotaboutme on October 6, 2012 at 7:03 PM

While it’s a sure bet the union leadership will likely stand firm with President Man-Child, I can’t help but wonder what rank and file coal miners will do on November 6.

ManlyRash on October 6, 2012 at 7:07 PM

But Mitt said “clean coal”. Is that like the “life and health” abortion exception? Why not support coal, not just clean coal, and then work to make it clean? /not convinced

Paul-Cincy on October 6, 2012 at 7:10 PM

This needs to hit PA and Ohio big time. Every one from coal country needs to get out there and vote R to balance the urban D vote. Romney should push this message hard in PA and OH.

I can’t help but wonder what rank and file coal miners will do on November 6.

They’ll vote for Romney. Those jobs are somewhat risky but pay very well for the education and training required. There is almost nothing else available (outside of North Dakota) that could let them maintain their standard of living.

talkingpoints on October 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM

I can’t help but wonder what rank and file coal miners will do on November 6.

ManlyRash on October 6, 2012 at 7:07 PM

They will cling to their guns and religion… and take a pick axe to anyone they see wearing an Obama button

VastRightWingConspirator on October 6, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Those union miners in Ohio and Pennsylvania that vote the straight union Dem ticket deserve what they get. Same with Blacks who vote Dem and have a 25% unemployment rate. You just can’t cure stupid.

teacherman on October 6, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Why not support coal, not just clean coal, and then work to make it clean? /not convinced

Paul-Cincy on October 6, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Mitt’s point was that current coal technology is clean. He added the word clean (as do most of the energy companies that use coal) for those who aren’t aware of the current technology. See the many billboards along the PA turnpike. Think how much we could save if the energy companies didn’t have to run PR campaigns to protect them from Obama’s EPA.

talkingpoints on October 6, 2012 at 7:15 PM

It’s not enough just to defeat Obama.

We must, for the sake of our nation, repudiate entirely his worldview.

That means taking a baseball bat to the head of all things Obama, from his failure to advance a budget to Obamacare, and kill it dead, dead, dead.

And in the course of killing it we happen to utterly destroy some of the left then all the better.

Take their citizenship away from them, put them on a plane to some God-forsaken shithole and leave them there to fend for themselves, forever to lament upon the freedoms that they defecated upon while they were here.

Valerie Jarrett, I am taking to you. Drop your sorry ass back in Tehran where you came from you treasonous wench.

turfmann on October 6, 2012 at 7:18 PM

You know when you’ve lost the UMW and the Pipefitters it’s gonna be hard to GOTV in those Blue states this Nov. No more Hope and Change for them.

JimK on October 6, 2012 at 7:18 PM

If Mitt wins, everyone who voted for him should send Obama a lump of coal for Christmas, each with the label “Made in USA” on it.

Liam on October 6, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Wyoming’s Powder River Basin thanks you, Mitt.

As does PA, W Va, OH, and KY.

Also, the nation’s freight railroads.

And finally, all American citizens who uses electricity.

listens2glenn on October 6, 2012 at 7:23 PM

If Mitt wins, everyone who voted for him should send Obama a lump of coal for Christmas, each with the label “Made in USA” on it.

Liam on October 6, 2012 at 7:18 PM

This.

either orr on October 6, 2012 at 7:33 PM

obama’s newest ad titled “can i have it”

http://youtu.be/70FXY7lJYiA?hd=1

phatfawzi on October 6, 2012 at 7:35 PM

“my plan makes electricity rates necessarily skyrocket”

Why does O’s war on coal, and energy, matter? It’s more than just about jobs. And it’s more than just about our utility bills, though energy prices have a huge impact on the quality of life and the economy. It’s also about possible serious disruption and catastrophe. Now in CA virtual pandemonium has broken out in some places with sky high gas prices, and worse, lines at some gas stations. O thinks he has the luxury to fiddle with — to diminish — our energy supply systems. O is courting disaster. This comment from wes george at http://joannenova.com.au/2011/11/ipcc-scientists-test-the-exit-doors makes the danger clear:

Imagine the total civil breakdown that would ensue if the electric grid failed for an extended period in Sydney or London…It’s worth noting that if a major city lost all electric supply in 1950, it wouldn’t have been catastrophic… Then ask yourself — why do we tolerate those in our polity who are working to weaken our already over-extended energy generating and delivery systems?

anotherJoe on October 6, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Obama & Biden will be lucky if they each get a lump of coal on Halloween.

itsnotaboutme on October 6, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Um … .

davidk on October 6, 2012 at 7:41 PM

The fight against harvesting our natural resources is insane.

Grunt on October 6, 2012 at 7:41 PM

How about abolishing the EPA and letting the States figure out this stuff?

They can even work with each other to help get better and more efficient standards in place without the ‘help’ of the US federal government.

You know: federalism.

We might want to try it, someday.

ajacksonian on October 6, 2012 at 7:52 PM

But Mitt said “clean coal”. Is that like the “life and health” abortion exception? Why not support coal, not just clean coal, and then work to make it clean? /not convinced

Paul-Cincy on October 6, 2012 at 7:10 PM

My thoughts too. When you start using liberal language, you have accepted their BS job killing green agenda.

Alabama Infidel on October 6, 2012 at 7:55 PM

That translates into roughly 1,200 direct jobs – many in Ohio, Virginia and Pennsylvania – and who knows how many in associated lines of business.

…how come you have trouble translating potential job synopsis events like Democrats do?
…H E R E…”that translates into a 120,000 jobs…created or saved!”

KOOLAID2 on October 6, 2012 at 7:56 PM

The fight against harvesting our natural resources is insane.

Grunt
on October 6, 2012 at 7:41 PM

.
From whose perspective?

It’s accomplishing exactly what certain people want it to, and they don’t have the best interests of the United States in mind.

listens2glenn on October 6, 2012 at 7:57 PM

We might want to try it, someday.

ajacksonian on October 6, 2012 at 7:52 PM

.
If we could convince the inner city black people that doing so would not put them back into slavery, it could be accomplished tomorrow.

listens2glenn on October 6, 2012 at 8:00 PM

China is supposed to become the world’s biggest user of coal. Why isn’t Obama pushing that as exports?

mad scientist on October 6, 2012 at 8:03 PM

If Mitt wins, everyone who voted for him should send Obama a lump of coal for Christmas, each with the label “Made in USA” on it.

Liam on October 6, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Let’s change that “if” to “when” Mitt wins. And I think the reason Obamuh hates coal is bcuz he probably got it several times in his Christmas stocking. Maybe we could also have several truckloads dumped in front of his retirement mansion on Oahu.

stukinIL4now on October 6, 2012 at 8:11 PM

While it’s a sure bet the union leadership will likely stand firm with President Man-Child, I can’t help but wonder what rank and file coal miners will do on November 6.

ManlyRash on October 6, 2012 at 7:07 PM

MR, I get the auto unions. But what in cornbread hell would compel a union official to support an administration (or political party) who’s goal it is to put them out of business by making coal use almost illegal?

hawkdriver on October 6, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Liam on October 6, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Let’s change that “if” to “when” Mitt wins. And I think the reason Obamuh hates coal is bcuz he probably got it several times in his Christmas stocking. Maybe we could also have several truckloads dumped in front of his retirement mansion on Oahu.

stukinIL4now on October 6, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Although I understand the president does have fond memories from Indonesia cooking Fido over a glowing coal fire.

hawkdriver on October 6, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Coal is a wonderful and abundant energy source and the CO2 it puts into the air when burned is plant food. Our goal should be to build coal-fired energy plants faster than China.

Axion on October 6, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I can’t help but wonder what rank and file coal miners will do on November 6.

ManlyRash on October 6, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Coal miners are a different animal than those you see in the UAW, SEIU, etc. They come from strong families who have spent generations in those mines. For some, it’s all they know.

I lived for a short time in West Virginia in my travels around this country, they are good people, who like their bills and eat.

JPeterman on October 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM

talkingpoints on October 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM

KOOLAID2 on October 6, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Both are true statements. This issue is huge in PA and OH. This not only affects mine jobs directly, but jobs in industries that rely on negotiated electricity rates, such as aluminum and steel production. Scores of plants are being idled worldwide because the high cost of electricity is making production too expensive in the short term (next few years at least).

Gov. Kasich is stepping up to the plate to prevent a shutdown of the Ormet aluminum plant in Eastern Ohio, trying to hundreds of good jobs with benefits. The War on Coal is killing good-paying jobs and livelihoods here.

Thanks for nothing, Barry. Maybe these people can shovel snow for a living. Forward!

Philly on October 6, 2012 at 8:31 PM

The Obama War on Coal has got to be hurting the Dems in Ohio & Pa. There’s too many ancillary businesses that are going to get killed by the insidious over regulation and the attempts to raise energy costs by the Obama Regime!
Final Update for those following:How to take on the Obama Enemy media: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on October 6, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Counting your chickens.

Dante on October 6, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Mine that coal…

Frack that oil…

Drill, baby, drill…

Build A LOT more refineries…

Build more nuclear power plants…

Feel free to stop sending money overseas in aid to fund these important domestic project, excepting Israel…

Khun Joe on October 6, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Ohio, Virginia and Pennsylvania

Sounds like a good reason for those states to go with Romney.

GarandFan on October 6, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Why would any coal state vote for Obama? I just do not understand that.

He IS going to close you down sooner or later..

RockyJ. on October 6, 2012 at 9:17 PM

There are many small towns that will actually cease to exist if Obama continues his attack on the coal industry.

Good hard working people and their families will be wiped out.

RockyJ. on October 6, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Fox vid isn’t loading for me

koaiko on October 6, 2012 at 9:59 PM

RockyJ. on October 6, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Power generation companies are feeling it as well. First Energy is looking into using natural gas in addition to coal to fire its generation plants because coal costs are high and supply is down. And if Obama bans or heavily regulates fracking, this plan will go down the tubes.

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/blog/energy/2012/10/firstenergy-considering-gas-co-firing.html

Philly on October 6, 2012 at 10:19 PM

…that picture…the stuff in the palms…is that what JugEars was digging out of his nose during the debate?

KOOLAID2 on October 6, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Wyoming’s Powder River Basin thanks you, Mitt.

here here! Unfortunately, the greenies have their teeth in the Wyoming Range.

Jackalope on October 6, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Coal miners are a different animal than those you see in the UAW, SEIU, etc. They come from strong families who have spent generations in those mines. For some, it’s all they know.

I lived for a short time in West Virginia in my travels around this country, they are good people, who like their bills and eat.

JPeterman on October 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM

J, I grew up in West Virginia during the 60s & 70s. During that time the UMW was just as vicious and dirty as the other unions you mentioned. If there was a strike, you did not want to cross the line. It got really bad in some areas. It’s been a slow transition but I think the tide is about to turn.

I travel from southwest Virginia back to central West Virginia to visit my mom. There are a few billboards along I-77 in the Beckley, W.Va. area that blast the EPA and have the coal states outlined on a map and labelled as “Obama’s Job Killing Zone.”

I’m pretty sure the Miners in W.Va. and Kentucky will go Romney. Ohio and Penn. I wouldn’t begin to guess. All non-service and non-government union members SHOULD be able to see that the Dems long ago tossed their industries under the Environmental Bus.

TugboatPhil on October 7, 2012 at 1:02 AM

“Clean coal” is just a term to indicate that there is hope for coal-based power production that is safe environmentally without the draconian measures and timetable imposed without real basis by Obama’s EPA.

This is not to say EPA’s concerns should not be addressed. There are remaining environmental issues with coal but, just as we managed to avert the promised “acid rain” apocalypse the environmentalists promised in the ’80s, we can continue to improve pollution controls and safe disposal of the toxic byproducts without shutting down the entire industry as Obama is attempting.

There is a reasonable and “balanced approach” to these issues. Obama wants to shut down coal energy without considering any alternatives, irrespective of the economic costs to America and the world.

Adjoran on October 7, 2012 at 1:51 AM

Obamas “Wind and Solar” agenda is a joke. $90 billion blown on an industry that is going NOWHERE !!

If just a fraction of that $90 Billion would have been invested in coal technology….why, America would have the most pristine burning coal NO ONE could complain about it’s usage !! AND, coal actually is a proven viable source of energy that America can use.

Now, just assume if 4 years ago the fools in Obamas administration had spent the $90 billion on all viable energy sources in America. America would, by now, be near energy independent.

BigSven on October 7, 2012 at 4:56 AM

While it’s a sure bet the union leadership will likely stand firm with President Man-Child, I can’t help but wonder what rank and file coal miners will do on November 6.

ManlyRash on October 6, 2012 at 7:07 PM

In my ninety-minute drive through southwest PA on my way to a fall festival, I saw two active protests and numerous signs by coalworkers along the way that desire to “Fire Obama.” This protest is quite encouraging.

onlineanalyst on October 7, 2012 at 5:36 AM

Obama raises $180 million last month. If this isn’t a lot of disguised Saudi money, it appears a LOT of people just can’t wait for the coal industry to be shut down and pay higher prices for their electricity.

RADIOONE on October 7, 2012 at 8:11 AM

If Mitt wins, everyone who voted for him should send Obama a lump of coal for Christmas, each with the label “Made in USA” on it.

Liam on October 6, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Alternatively, mail it now to Obama as a campaign contribution. Dump a lump on the chump, baby.

Barnestormer on October 7, 2012 at 8:59 AM

The stretch of the debate that covered coal mining actually worried me a little bit. I guess I heard it differently than everyone else. I do not recall ever hearing Romney utter the word “coal” that it wasn’t preceded by the word “clean.” Clean coal has not produced a single kilowatt of electricity. It’s another pipe dream, not ready for prime time.

Romney will be far better than Obama when it comes to fossil fuels, but some of the things he says unsettle me a little. We may be projecting all of our hopes on the man instead of listening to what he is actually saying.

rogaineguy on October 7, 2012 at 9:20 AM

CxxxP!!!

I’ve been posting this since 2008:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_mining_in_the_United_States

When the Fxxx are the Republicans going to wake up!!

You can carry Pensylvania if you play it right!!!!

patch on October 7, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Here in Michigan, at least SIX coal-fired electricity-generating plants are in the process of closing down because of King Barack and his corrupt EPA.
Where’s the media, the national outrage? Hell, even the damnable BIG Labor?
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on October 7, 2012 at 12:33 PM