Team Obama goes into emergency-restrategizing mode

posted at 4:01 pm on October 4, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

After that rather embarrassing performance last night, Team Obama is changing tack at warp speed. They’ve certainly got their work cut out for them, considering what will be the most effective ways to tear down Mitt Romney and put President Obama back on top. They’re still using the recent “either Romney must raise taxes on the middle class, or he must increase the deficit, those are the only two possible outcomes”-line, but adding some fun new framing. As BuzzFeed summarizes,

President Barack Obama and his aides rapidly reversed their strategic course Thursday morning, shifting the center of their attacks on Mitt Romney back toward the oldest criticisms of the Republican: That he’s a flip-flopper.

Democrats had long been torn over whether to portray Romney as too conservative, or too inconsistent, for the electorate — realizing that the attacks are inconsistent with one another. And since this spring, they seemed to have settled on the former, casting Romney as a conservative whose policies of cutting taxes and spending, and on abortion and other social issues, are too far right for most voters.

Thursday they returned abruptly to the earlier line. …

Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said the campaign’s task over the next several days is to “Make sure every voter understands the positions Mitt Romney danced around last night.”

President Obama was already out on the attack at a campaign rally in Denver earlier this morning, arguing that “the very spirited fellow” onstage last night just “couldn’t have been the real Mitt Romney”:

While the real Mitt Romney has been promising $5 trillion in tax cuts and saying the country doesn’t need more teachers, Obama said, “the fellow onstage last night” said the opposite.

“The man onstage last night, he does not want to be held accountable for the real Mitt Romney’s decisions and what he’s been saying for the last year. And that’s because he knows full well that we don’t want what he’s been selling for the last year,” Obama said.

In much the same vein, Obama for America has released their latest ad, wondering, “Why won’t Mitt Romney level with us?”

David Axelrod lamented about that foxy Mitt Romney during a conference call this morning, via Politico:

“What the president hoped to avoid was a situation where you had two politicians standing there insulting each other instead of offering ideas for the future of the country, but you know, you have to strike a balance,” Axelrod said in a conference call with reporters. “You can’t allow someone to stand there and basically manhandle the truth about their own record and ideas and about yours and not deal with that. I’m sure that is a takeaway from this debate.” …

“This was the first chance for the president to see how Gov. Romney operates in these debates first hand,” he said. “You have to make some adjustments to the fact that, you know, he is kind of a serial, …artful dodger. That makes it a more challenging kind of event.”

So, sounds like Team Obama has decided on their post-first debate “adjustments” and that that’s the type of thing we’re going to be hearing a lot over at least the next few days — Mitt Romney is dishonest, we can’t keep up with his changing storylines, he’s a rhetorical trickster, rabble rabble rabble. Following Team Obama’s lead, the liberal blogs are all buzzing about the $5 trillion tax cut moment as one of Romney’s biggest weaknesses from the night, but here’s a simple explanation from the CSMonitor:

It is true that a central facet of Mitt Romney’s economic plan is a 20 percent across-the-board reduction in marginal tax rates, plus elimination of the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax (AMT). Do the math on how much money the federal government would forgo as a result of this, and it’s about $456 billion a year. Over 10 years, that rounds up to $5 trillion. That’s the calculus behind the “$5 trillion tax cut” figure that Obama cites.

However, that’s only part of the tax plan. Romney has said he would make his overall tax changes revenue-neutral. He’d hack out deductions, exemptions, and other exclusions to broaden the tax base, for one thing. For another, he says that lowering marginal rates would increase economic activity, and hence tax revenue. These changes would counterbalance any revenue lost from rate reductions, according to Romney.


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There you go, we have the official name for last night, -Mile High Meltdown.

slickwillie2001 on October 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Gotta be honest. I heard that on Hannity this afternoon. Actually, I think he said Mile High Massacre, but I didn’t want anyone going all Tuscon, Arizona, on my ass.

Rational Thought on October 4, 2012 at 4:46 PM

where are the trolls!?!

DanMan on October 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM

I’ve been wondering where Pragmatic has been. I thought for sure he’d be here to tell us how lousy Mitt did in the debate last night.

UltimateBob on October 4, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Obama – Romney is a flip-flopper.

Romney – Obama is a lying, spineless, secretive, hack, unaccomplished, short-sighted crybaby who eats dogs and will be unemployed on January 21, 2013.

gonnjos on October 4, 2012 at 4:48 PM

There’s nothing Obama can do now, so restrategize away. No amount of spin and fact checking is going to make up for Obama being completely crushed and humiliated last night.

And next week, they’ll see the other half of the ticket destroyed by Paul Ryan and that will seal the deal.

eyedoc on October 4, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Yep, Like I said, Debate #2 is going to be chicago style BS. AxelFraud knows he has to get into the Gutter Politics of old to try & pull this one out, cause his guy can’t fight with facts, truth or Track Record! Mitt better be ready for some real down & dirty Shiite! AxelFraud also is threatening the Obama media for not doing enough to protect the Messiah. They’ve been told to attack Romney or they will never get into a Messiah event again!
Final UPDATE for those following:How to take on the Obama Enemy media: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on October 4, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Yup. It will be the long knives out for Romney, no doubt about it. I think it will backfire, though. Last night crushed the Zero campaign’s multi-million narrative build that Romney is an evil rich guy. He is a good man, the most decent man who has run for president in a long, long time. When CNN lines up a bunch of angry, foaming-at-the-mouth O-bots screaming about their government handouts and being vicious toward Romney, it will be the final nail in Zero’s coffin. No one will want to “belong” to that group. They’ll want to go with the good guy, the decent guy, the guy who wants to fix things for everyone.

Rational Thought on October 4, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Barack Obama,
President up to 5000 feet!

exhelodrvr on October 4, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Barack Obama starring in a new movie with Joe Biden…Dumb and Dumber.

logicman_1998 on October 4, 2012 at 4:53 PM

watched the debate just now.
Obama looked so weak!….O..M…G…

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on October 4, 2012 at 4:46 PM

But, being the brain trust that you are, you’ll faithfully go out and vote for 0bama this November anyway, won’t you?

UltimateBob on October 4, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Rational Thought on October 4, 2012 at 4:51 PM

With you here. Obama will attempt to take the air out of the room by stirring the crowd up against Romney. Romney can really come off of this looking like the only adult in the room. A back-to-back debate win for Romney would be crippling to the Obama campaign.

itsspideyman on October 4, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Obama is a SLOUCH.

I think that neither Obama, nor his team, even bothered to watch the GOP primary. If he had, surely he would not have believed that he could just show up, so poorly prepared, and so disinterested, and win the debate.

The left can make all the excuses they want.

The next debate is Oct. 11 between Joe Biden and Paul Ryan.

The following debate is Oct. 16, a ‘townhall style’ debate in which ‘undecided voters’ chosen by Gallup, will ask the two candidates questions on domestic and foreign policy.

The final debate is Oct. 22, it is in the same format as the first debate and is on foreign policy.

If there is one place where Obama is even weaker than domestic policy, its foreign policy.

The election is two weeks after the last debate.

thatsafactjack on October 4, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Well I think both Romney and Obama joined the Mile-High club last night because I saw Mitt have his savage way with a helpless Barack.

It was shocking, shameless and I couldn’t look away!

CitizenEgg on October 4, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Well, why do we need more teachers when the student population is actually declining?

PattyJ on October 4, 2012 at 4:57 PM

kingsjester‏@kingsjester1

I hear Obama’s Teleprompter (TOTUS) has been called in for consultation. Moochelle’s free vay-cays may be going bye-bye. Defcon1 Emergency!

kingsjester on October 4, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Those are the only two options if you insist on thinking INSIDE THE SOCIALIST BOX.

GarandFan on October 4, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Exactly!

Liberals and Socialists see the world as a zero sum game.

If you have something, then you must have taken it away from somebody else. And the victim you took it from has a right to be angry at you.

Liberals and Socialists don’t understand how to grow the economy by creating NEW products, opportunities, wealth etc.

wren on October 4, 2012 at 5:01 PM

It is true that a central facet of Mitt Romney’s economic plan is a 20 percent across-the-board reduction in marginal tax rates, plus elimination of the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax (AMT). Do the math on how much money the federal government would forgo as a result of this, and it’s about $456 billion a year. Over 10 years, that rounds up to $5 trillion. That’s the calculus behind the “$5 trillion tax cut” figure that Obama cites.

Over 100 years it becomes fifty trillion dollars, over 1000 years it becomes five quadrillion dollars and if we extend it over the estimated age of the universe it becomes more than 5,928,000,000,000,000,000,000 dollars!

Alberta_Patriot on October 4, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Music to my ears from an apolitical co-worker: “I didn’t watch the debate but I heard that Obama really messed it up.”

That message had to go through several filters to get to this guy. That’s good news.

natasha333 on October 4, 2012 at 5:05 PM

This morning the Dem talking point going around the MSM was that Romney wasn’t into specifics and now it’s about the 5 trillion tax cuts. Looks like they are grabbing at straws. Meanwhile Biden is out there acknowledging that a trillion dollar tax INCREASE will be on the agenda for a newly re-elected Obama admin.

Tell me why this race is supposedly close again?

neyney on October 4, 2012 at 5:14 PM

..you want incredibly lame? I got incredibly lame for you: the Denver rally video above viewed through the prism of the Mountain High Massacre at D. U. last night.

An amazingly pathetic little man — unmasked as a fraud before 60 million Americans — and still he’s out there in front of his sycophantic cabal acting like some cool hipster and making with the lame, tortured, tired old talking points.

JUST. GO. AWAY.

The War Planner on October 4, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Over 100 years it becomes fifty trillion dollars, over 1000 years it becomes five quadrillion dollars and if we extend it over the estimated age of the universe it becomes more than 5,928,000,000,000,000,000,000 dollars!

Alberta_Patriot on October 4, 2012 at 5:03 PM

That’s a lot of condoms!

Bishop on October 4, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Team Obama is just doubling down on their lies.

WannabeAnglican on October 4, 2012 at 5:17 PM

The only thing more dangerous than a wounded, bleeding, rabid wolverine is a wounded, bleeding, rabid Chicago Machine politician. are tens of millions of unemployed and under-employed Americans!

Bruno Strozek on October 4, 2012 at 4:11 PM


FIFY

Every time anyone says anything positive about the SCOAMF or suggests the Chicago Way is going to win is forgetting there are tens of millions of fellow Americans who DON”T need to watch a debate to KNOW the SCOAMF’s administration has FAILED.

PolAgnostic on October 4, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Who knows where Obama got this new $5 trillion tax cut idea, but Romney did a good job calling him out on that. I see a post above that tries and explain $5 trillion in lost government revenue that fails the test because it ignores the reality of an expanded tax base that leads to increased revenues. Its this kind of static thinking that the Obama campaign hopes to dupe the stupid people with but I don’t think anyone is buying it. Obama is grasping at straws at this point and I can understand why his campaign is urgently seeking a new strategy.

Ellis on October 4, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Everybody around my office is talking about Romney’s performance last night. He really made an impact.

gophergirl on October 4, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Yep, here too! Even one of my strongest lefties had to admit that Romney looked “impressive” (her word, not mine) last night.

ccrosby on October 4, 2012 at 5:20 PM

If there is one place where Obama is even weaker than domestic policy, its foreign policy.

The election is two weeks after the last debate.

thatsafactjack on October 4, 2012 at 4:57 PM

..you know, Jackie, it will be interesting to watch how the remaining two debates play out. On one hand, the conventional wisdom is that Obama won’t just phone it in like last night, but one has to believe that Romney ain’t going to be resting on his laurels either.

With a sympathetic press — even if Obama just fogs a mirror — it/they will be called a draw to ratchet up the drama. But the viewers will know where the bodies are buried.

The War Planner on October 4, 2012 at 5:22 PM

I think we’re going to start seeing the unraveling of the carefully crafted moderate pragmatic character that Obama plays on television.

I predict the seething undercurrent of hatred we all suspect is under that facade to make a good number of appearances between now and November.

jjrakman on October 4, 2012 at 5:23 PM

It is true that a central facet of Mitt Romney’s economic plan is a 20 percent across-the-board reduction in marginal tax rates, plus elimination of the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax (AMT). Do the math on how much money the federal government would forgo as a result of this, and it’s about $456 billion a year. Over 10 years, that rounds up to $5 trillion. That’s the calculus behind the “$5 trillion tax cut” figure that Obama cites.

Hilarious! Only in an idiot without simple math skills can even think of claiming that and only an ignorant idiot who doesn’t know RECENT history. Lower taxes ALWAYS lead to increased economic activity via the trickle up process: More expandable income leads to higher consumption on consumer side, that leads to more business activity and more people and business paying taxes.

Reagan’s reduced income taxes led to great economic recovery.

Even communist Russia has a FLAT 13% tax these days. EVERY ONE PAYS as well. You make less, you pay less. You make more, you pay more. EVERYONE CONTRIBUTES.

But as it took almost 100 years for USA Communist Party, err, Democratic Party, to implement communist ideas here, it will take their little chicken brains (and that’s being generous) to understand the concept of smaller taxes even communists in Russia now understand.

riddick on October 4, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Be ready for the “Comeback Kid” crap after the next debate. All BO will have to do is stay half awake and they will push that narrative.

Hummer53 on October 4, 2012 at 5:24 PM

What, they are already done with Forward?

sdbatboy on October 4, 2012 at 5:28 PM

I hope that Romney flips this on Obama, and talks about what candidate promised compared to what president Obama has delivered.

Candidate Obama said that health care reform shouldn’t include an individual mandate, that he would close Guantanamo, that he believed in transparency, he would cut the deficit in half, and a bunch of other things he didn’t follow through with. Sounds like flip-flopping if you ask me.

HarryBackside on October 4, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Good old MSNBC says he is “energized”. Funny how he comes to life and does so much better when he’s talking to his parasitic, loving constituents. As long as he can preach to his choir in a safe environment he’s just wonderful.

rplat on October 4, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Well, why do we need more teachers when the student population is actually declining?

PattyJ on October 4, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Indeed! And since Mitt is a cost-cutting turnaround artist, why not just go for broadcasting the best teacher in the State on each subject into all the classes on that subject Via on-line conferencing and use Teachers Aids for handling testing and tutoring? Less cost, no school gets better or worse instruction and everyone wins.

100,000 new teachers would cost 10 billion dollars and does Uncle Sam pay that forever? How about a one time assist on implementing the on-line conference technology in each class room and then Uncle Sam gets out of the way of innovation at the state and local level?

KW64 on October 4, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Be ready for the “Comeback Kid” crap after the next debate. All BO will have to do is stay half awake and they will push that narrative.

Hummer53 on October 4, 2012 at 5:24 PM

As long as Romney stays with issues of substance, being awake won’t help Obama at all.

rplat on October 4, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Obviously, Mr. Obama is powerless in the rarefied air of Denver without those Roman columns

J_Crater on October 4, 2012 at 5:42 PM

The proper term is “restrategerizing”.

Bishop on October 4, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Two things that I haven’t heard the punditry class talk about, but seem to go over well with the undecided voters I know. Romney conveys empathy and commitment when he says he wants to create jobs and get American’s back to work. The other was the way he broke things down with his “number one”, “number two”, “number three”. The MSM may not think Romney has provided a plan, but the people I know think different because of the simple, and clear way Romney laid out his goals. Undecided voters are going to flood to Romney.

HarryBackside on October 4, 2012 at 5:43 PM

A woman I work with started discussing the debate with another co-worker. It was very rude the way Romney, she said, got in Jim Leher’s face about PBS. Idiot.

catquilt on October 4, 2012 at 5:46 PM

There’s a post over at NRO the Obama campaign should read. It’s written by Robert Costa and titled, “Romney’s Playbook”–it might help them if they can understand it.

stukinIL4now on October 4, 2012 at 5:48 PM

What kind of a bump did Mitt get? According to Reuters, he still trails by a solid margin, only cutting Obama’s lead by 2 pts.

“Romney is now viewed positively by 51 percent of voters, the first time he has enjoyed a net positive in the U.S. presidential race, the poll found. Obama’s favorability rating remained unchanged at 56 percent, according to the poll.

Romney moved ahead of the president on several core issues after Wednesday’s debate, which was widely seen as a victory for the Republican candidate.

Voters now see Romney as a better bet to boost the economy, spur job creation and manage the budget deficit, the poll found. He narrowed Obama’s advantage on taxes, the Social Security retirement program and the Medicare health insurance program for the elderly and disabled.

The poll found that Obama’s 7 percentage point advantage over Romney had narrowed to a lead of 5 percentage points, 48 percent to 43 percent.

The online poll surveyed 536 registered voters on Wednesday and Thursday after the debate. It has a credibility interval of 4.8 percentage points.”

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 5:49 PM

If I didn’t think it just isn’t possible considering the entourage he has to drag with him, I’d have thought Preezy Choom was just plain old stoned to the bone last night.

I swear – it’s how he sounded – Stoned. Rambling, incoherent thoughts, inability to stay on whatever point he started out to make, and the looking away and down, no eye contact. The guy is still a stoner.

Harbingeing on October 4, 2012 at 5:51 PM

I like how Romney enumerated his points. Not only did it make it seem like he has a clear plan, it kept him from rambling on and on about something like Obama did. By sticking to a set number of points, he made the point he was trying to make perfectly clear.

supernova on October 4, 2012 at 5:52 PM

The funniest part, Europe’s reaction.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 5:58 PM

“Make sure every voter understands the positions Mitt Romney danced around last night.”

To quote Anthony Quinn as Zorba the Greek, “Did you say dance my boy?”

Well if Mitt danced around the questions, Obama looked like the last contestant in the dance all night contest, dazed, confused, and holding on to the podium for dear life for fear of falling.

And what was on that floor, crib notes?

Don L on October 4, 2012 at 5:59 PM

What kind of a bump did Mitt get? According to Reuters, he still trails by a solid margin, only cutting Obama’s lead by 2 pts.

The online poll surveyed 536 registered voters on Wednesday and Thursday after the debate. It has a credibility interval of 4.8 percentage points.”

daveyandgoliath on October 4, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Online poll, davey? Absolutely worthless. That’s because online polls are participated in by volunteers, not randomly sampled.

And since there is no sample to begin with, online polls do not represent the population as a whole, unlike real polling. That’s because the results online polls get are only representative of those who chose to take them in the first place.

Besides, this is Reuters you’re citing. They Photoshop their polls almost as much as they do their “news photos” from the Mideast.

F-

Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2012 at 6:00 PM

The online poll surveyed 536 registered voters on Wednesday and Thursday after the debate. It has a credibility interval of 4.8 percentage points.”

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 5:49 PM

More like 48.

VorDaj on October 4, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Pinocchio laughs his azz off.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 6:02 PM

“That’s because online polls are participated in by volunteers, not randomly sampled.”

Only head-to-head poll out there so far. I post them all.

What will the excuse be if there is no bump for Romney?

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Oh yeah one more quick thing – Had a business meeting with a very liberal guy I know this morning. Even though it ‘looked bad’ last night, he’s pretty sure Obama’s actually playing a rope-a-dope strategy, and what’s even funnier, he said he can’t wait for the foreign policy debate – “that’s where Obama really shines”. After stifling the overwhelming urge to bust out laughing, I asked what happened in Benghazi, and of course, “we don’t know all the facts yet.” The fear is spreading, fast.

I was actually too excited to sleep last night, and can’t wipe the grin off my face today.

Harbingeing on October 4, 2012 at 6:06 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Hey One Trick…Happy Thursday and FO.

CW on October 4, 2012 at 6:08 PM

The only thing Obama can try now is launch cruise missiles into Libya to show he is tough on al Qaeda.
Will happen before the foreign policy-type debate.

albill on October 4, 2012 at 6:09 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Put down the pipe, kid.

Your messiah got whupped last night. Big time.

You’ve been at this all day. No one’s believed you, yet.

kingsjester on October 4, 2012 at 6:10 PM

I couldn’t bear to watch Obama in the debate last night — it just makes me too angry when he rambles on about the world he imagines in his head.
Glad it turned out so well, though.

Count to 10 on October 4, 2012 at 6:10 PM

“That’s because online polls are participated in by volunteers, not randomly sampled.”

Only head-to-head poll out there so far. I post them all.

daveyandgoliath on October 4, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Turn around, kid. I have to readjust your “Kick Me” sign.

Thanks for admitting that you’re not at all interested in posting facts, and have no problem posting Junk Science, as long as it shows your Dear Leader ahead.

Are you sure you’re not related to George Costanza?

Or Al Gore?

Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Online poll, davey? Absolutely worthless. That’s because online polls are participated in by volunteers, not randomly sampled.

And since there is no sample to begin with, online polls do not represent the population as a whole, unlike real polling. That’s because the results online polls get are only representative of those who chose to take them in the first place.

Besides, this is Reuters you’re citing. They Photoshop their polls almost as much as they do their “news photos” from the Mideast.

F-

Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Actually, at this point, with “real” poles being down to the self-selected 9% who are reading and willing to answer them, even those are vastly overrated.

Count to 10 on October 4, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Did any of you see what happened on KitchenAid’s twitter feed last night? (Who would follow KitchenAid???)

The person in charge of the feed accidentally sent a personal and awful tweet about the debate: “Obamas gma even knew it was going 2 b bad! ‘She died 3 days b4 he became president’. #nbcpolitics,”

I’m guessing there is one more person in America joining the ranks of the unemployed.

MississippiMom on October 4, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Shouldn’t that be “re-strategerizing”?

Hucklebuck on October 4, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Count to 10: Are the “real poles” the ones from Krakow?

Hucklebuck on October 4, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Count to 10: Are the “real poles” the ones from Krakow?

Hucklebuck on October 4, 2012 at 6:17 PM

That was a bit of a round-about way of reminding me that my spelling sucks.

Count to 10 on October 4, 2012 at 6:19 PM

if he is going to count 10 years of tax cuts, then 10 ears of 1.3 Trillion dollar defecits would be another $13 TRILLION in debt with OBUMMER…..add the compounding interest and it really would be another $16 TRILLION so in 10 years, we would owe $32 TRILLION!

SDarchitect on October 4, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Hate to break the news to you but there is no such thing as a “real” poll anymore. I am getting so tired of the calls that I started punching in random numbers on the autobot calls…(e.g. voting for O but not sure, he’s made things worse, I change my age, race and gender depending on what button I happen to hit).

I don’t think I’m alone.

teejk on October 4, 2012 at 6:20 PM

One Million Ohioans have Obamaphones.

This is going to be a weeks long slog for Romney. Let’s hope his campaign knows how to handle the fires of hell about to be opened up on him by the media (that has their 2007-2012 promotion of Obama at stake).

PappyD61 on October 4, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Gumby –

Please just go away. You are not a conservative or a republican. The polls will continue to narrow the closer we get. It probably all comes down to OH, FL and VA. Romney’s military comment will be helpful in the latter state. Romney will win the popular vote, electorally we will see.

The polling does not equate with their own underlying data. The only issue will be the MSM can no longer use D+9 type of polls along with cherry picked demographics in their surveys. SOme are surely biased, but those that try not to be have no idea what model to use, all of their margins of error are off by at least of factor of three due to the refusal to participate rate.

So they are worthless – and wrong. I felt this way before the debate. I also hold to the theory that generally debates don’t move the bar much if at all. I think this debate will force the pollsters to ammend their methods to reflect greater Romney strength and due to Obama losing it so badly it may actually do real damage in those three states I mentioned earlier.

Zomcon JEM on October 4, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Pappy – and most of them won’t vote – they are not on the rolls currently and are a large majority of the over 400,000 democrat voters lost to Ohio in the the last 4 years.

Zomcon JEM on October 4, 2012 at 6:23 PM

That Reuters poll also had Romney above 50% in favorability for the first time all year. If that holds up, the head-to-head numbers will change. That’s what this debate did for him, it erased the caricature of the stumbling, bumbling gaffe machine and replaced it with a guy people can actually see as the next President.

rockmom on October 4, 2012 at 6:23 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Put down the pipe, kid.

Your messiah got whupped last night. Big time.

You’ve been at this all day. No one’s believed you, yet.

kingsjester on October 4, 2012 at 6:10 PM

You noticed that too?

This particular Unit seems to have an inordinate amount of free time.

Funny thing about “polls”. Not only can they be easily manipulated by the “pollster” to get any desired result, if the poll doesn’t give a desired result after several tries, they can simply stop asking the question that they couldn’t get the results they desired from.

As a result, last year the Associated Press had to manipulate its “polling” after the bin Laden takedown, in order to bump up O’bamna’s Job Approval. They ended up sampling almost twice as many Democrats as Republicans to get that result.

And in years past, a couple of “pollsters” asked what outgoing President Bill Clinton’s Administration would be most remembered for. When the result was The Blue Dress, the other pollsters immediately decided not to do those “polls”.

Likewise, right after 9/11, a couple of “polls” came out showing more Americans blamed Clinton than Bush. That line of questioning was immediately deep-sixed.

Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Yep. For example, today AP and the Networks cancelled Exit Polls in 19 states.

To quote The Wicked Witch” in “The Wize”:

Don’t nobody bring me no bad news!

LOL!

kingsjester on October 4, 2012 at 6:27 PM

That’s “The Wiz”.

kingsjester on October 4, 2012 at 6:28 PM

I for one can’t wait for Obama to return to the sly give them the finger strategy that worked so well with Hillary and McCain. But first he has to force himself to look at Romney. Babysteps …

nokarmahere on October 4, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Did anyone catch this earlier?

Fwd:@jaketapper: RT @daveweigel: At speech in Colorado, President Obama tells Americans that the jerk store has run out of Mitt Romney.

ConservativePartyNow on October 4, 2012 at 6:34 PM

It has bugged me all day. Obama said preparing for the debate “was a drag”. He was obviously unprepared.

If Romney had done so poorly with a similar attitude, wouldn’t the media mantra be “Romney just doesn’t want to be President/Romney doesn’t want to put in the work/Romney doesn’t care”?

MississippiMom on October 4, 2012 at 6:37 PM

“This was the first chance for the president to see how Gov. Romney operates in these debates first hand,” he said. “You have to make some adjustments to the fact that, you know, he is kind of a serial, …artful dodger. That makes it a more challenging kind of event.”

Ok, it’s official. He’s insane.

Cleombrotus on October 4, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Go poke yourself, gumby.

bayview on October 4, 2012 at 6:49 PM

I couldn’t be happier today. This is 6 months of a flawed and garbage strategy blowing up on Obama/Axelrod.

I can see it now: “Who would have thought that one of the most successful businessmen of the last 30 years was smart?! You mean he’s not a bumbling buffoon?!”

RepublicanInMA on October 4, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Prediction: In debate #’s 2 & 3, the Obama camp will go dirty and take a page from Gov Romney’s approach in last night’s debate – come out swinging and (in their case) slinging from minute one. These guys have little factually to campaign on, but they rely nicely on sentiment, ‘messages’ and impressions – they’re Libs and Leftists, after all, and they are desperate. Running on feelings means never having to be wrong – you can’t prove that one sentiment is any worse than another.

The icing will be Romney the flip-flopper, Romney the Evader, Romney the Unaccomplished. His years as MA Gov will be a big focus – they’ll exagerrate every thing he did or didn’t do, and make sure everyone knows that the Gov. never inherited anything as crushing as the Great Recession, yada, yada.

ronco on October 4, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Mentioned it in another thread, but it might be better here. New video out with Obama saying if you’re successful, it’s because of dumb luck, or because you made women wash your clothes while you were out getting rich.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obama-mocked-financial-success-as-blind-luck/

xblade on October 4, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Over 100 years it becomes fifty trillion dollars, over 1000 years it becomes five quadrillion dollars and if we extend it over the estimated age of the universe it becomes more than 5,928,000,000,000,000,000,000 dollars!

Alberta_Patriot on October 4, 2012 at 5:03 PM

That’s a lot of condoms!

Bishop on October 4, 2012 at 5:16 PM

At least a 3-year supply for Sandra Fluke!

tom on October 4, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said the campaign’s task over the next several days is to “Make sure every voter understands the positions Mitt Romney danced around last night.”

You mean like A Clockwork Orange, where Malcolm McDowell danced around to “Singing in the Rain”?

That was the kind of dancing I saw last night…

JohnGalt23 on October 4, 2012 at 7:41 PM

he is kind of a serial, …artful dodger. That makes it a more challenging kind of event

.”

As usual, personal attacks are the best indicator that you’ve lost the argument.

lester on September 13, 2012 at 3:55 PM

rogerb on October 4, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Did anyone catch this earlier?

Fwd:@jaketapper: RT @daveweigel: At speech in Colorado, President Obama tells Americans that the jerk store has run out of Mitt Romney.

ConservativePartyNow on October 4, 2012 at 6:34 PM

yes, it was amply linked on different threads here today…it’s a reference to this Seinfeld hilarious episode, and it is not flattering for obama :-)..

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Did Obama INTENTIONALLY throw the debate?

TX-96 on October 4, 2012 at 8:16 PM

You noticed that too?

This particular Unit seems to have an inordinate amount of free time.
Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2012 at 6:24 PM

free time?? more like perpetual vacay, don’t know how much they pay him, but he’s on every thread…where he might lack in gray matter he compensates in ubiquity…he’s been omnipresent since early morning, didn’t miss a thread, he’s getting exhausting to deal with really..

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Very exciting night for the GOP. Something tells me the fun will be blunted in the next presidential debate. If you expect the same timid Obama you saw last night in the next debate, I have a bridge in Alaska to sell you.

Governor Roomey before we discuss foreign policy, you were recently caught on tape calling our military men and women moochers for not paying federal income tax. As the current CIC, I demand you apologize to them right here right now or this debate is over. I welcome any criticism of my foreign policy record but I refuse to have that discussion with you until you apologize to them right here right now.

If he does apologize, debate continues, if he doesn’t, Obama scolds him one more time and walks off the stage. I bet you that will be the end of this Roomney Cinderella run.

HotAirLib on October 4, 2012 at 8:48 PM

HotAirLib on October 4, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Obama got slaughtered and he’s rattled. He can’t survive outside the cozy little bubble you weirdo cultmembers have created for him. Last night 70 million people saw it collapse.

Chuck Schick on October 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM

HotAirLib on October 4, 2012 at 8:48 PM
Obama got slaughtered and he’s rattled. He can’t survive outside the cozy little bubble you weirdo cultmembers have created for him. Last night 70 million people saw it collapse.
Chuck Schick on October 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Roomney should start measuring the drapes then. We did when Kerry won the first debate. Worked out well for us.

HotAirLib on October 4, 2012 at 9:19 PM

If he does apologize, debate continues, if he doesn’t, Obama scolds him one more time and walks off the stage. I bet you that will be the end of this Roomney Cinderella run.
 
HotAirLib on October 4, 2012 at 8:48 PM

 
Fingers crossed. It will be hilarious to hear Obama’s mispronunciations or the wrong word for members of a certain branch.
 
Not to mention looking like a petulant child walking off stage after being so soundly beaten this first time, and Mitt (a smart guy) having an entire (free) nationally televised stage to himself to laugh at the president and carry on an hour and a half townhall.
 
He could even drag an empty chair out to put near Obama’s lectern.
 
So yeah, great plan.

rogerb on October 4, 2012 at 9:40 PM

I’m sure he must make actual statements of his program for the next term in these speeches like today but it looks like he spends the whole time making snarky teenage boy digs at Romney!

Pathetic.

PattyJ on October 4, 2012 at 10:06 PM

HotAirLib on October 4, 2012 at 8:48 PM

You just like to make things up out of thin air, don’t you? Does it cross your mind that Romney has at least 10 rebuttals prepared for that line of argument? No, because you are still stuck on stupid.

Mitsouko on October 4, 2012 at 10:35 PM

emergency-restrategizing mode

Equals more TV spots personally attacking Romney and the evil Bain Capital.

Just saw one featuring poor Chinese slaving away for low wages building appliances for export to the US, doing jobs Americans could be doing if only Romney and Bain weren’t greedy for profits.

This is pure left-wing socialist propaganda, paid for by Team Obama.

farsighted on October 4, 2012 at 10:38 PM

So, sounds like Team Obama has decided on their post-first debate “adjustments” and that that’s the type of thing we’re going to be hearing a lot over at least the next few days — Mitt Romney is dishonest, we can’t keep up with his changing storylines, he’s a rhetorical trickster, rabble rabble rabble.

That’s it. Been hearing it and reading it all day all over the place.

The new personal attack is that Romney is some kind of slick glib dishonest flim-flam man who cannot be trusted. Hey, he’s so good he even left Obama speechless, looking down at his shoes and mumbling to himself.

farsighted on October 4, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Roomney should start measuring the drapes then. We did when Kerry won the first debate. Worked out well for us.

HotAirLib on October 4, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Yeah, because Romney = Kerry, and Obama = Bush.

Oh … Wait!

Um, let’s see … Romney made his money the old-fashioned way, by going out in the world and earning it, helping to build one of the most successful companies in America, or as Bill Clinton called it a “stellar business career.” He has been married to his wife and high school sweetheart for more than 40 years.

John Kerry divorced his first wife, an heiress, to marry his second wife, an heiress, to become filthy rich.

John Kerry was a backbench senator with no major accomplishments in two decades in DC.

Romney was a leader at Bain saving many struggling companies, a leader who turned around the Olympics, and the CEO of his state as governor (he also inherited a recession, pal).

But, I can’t see why you would want to compare Obama to Bush. But if that’s the way you roll, I guess all those insults you hurled at Bush for being divisive, stupid, and a walking disaster apply equally to Obama.

God bless … Oh yeah, in 2004 the unemployment rate was 5.4% … So, um, good luck selling that 8.2% number we’re going to see tomorrow.

Obama = Carter

Nicole Coulter on October 4, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Clint Eastwood’s new movie about Obama’s debacle in Denver: “High Plains Grifter”.

drunyan8315 on October 4, 2012 at 11:20 PM

How about this poll from We Ask America, taken in the Illinois 10th Congressional District. From Breitbart.com (emphasis mine):

A new poll of Illinois’ 10th Congressional District, which includes parts of Cook County, however, suggests the August poll might not be such an aberration. The poll, from WeAskAmerica, finds Obama with just a 2 point lead over Romney, 47-45 in the suburban district. Obama won the district in 2008 by 23 points.

I’ve been hearing things like this from all over the state. In my own area, I haven’t seen any Obama/Biden signs or bumper stickers when in 2008 they were all over the place.

If Illinois is close on election night = blowout in the rest of the country.

Link to the full article.

italianguy626 on October 5, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Here’s an idea… maybe Barry shouldn’t wait an hour and a half before getting around to telling us that he got Bin Laden.

drowningpuppies on October 5, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Someone might well have raised this above, but the Tax Policy Center revised their analysis of the Romney tax plan recently. The original analysis assumed certain deductions would be sacrosanct – an unsupported assumption. Under their new numbers, they come out to $41 billion a year in possible tax revenue fall off, which, if accurate, would mean at worst a $410 billion dollar increase in the deficit over 10 years. As best I can tell, Obama’s $5 trillion claim is based on simply lower tax rates without a single loophole being closed. To call that a bs claim is to to a disservice to bs. Even Stephanie Cutter had to admit the other day the yawning fraud in the claim that Romney’s tax plan would add %5 trillion to the deficit.

Wolf Howling on October 5, 2012 at 4:41 AM

Well, why do we need more teachers when the student population is actually declining?

PattyJ on October 4, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Ding ding ding

petefrt on October 5, 2012 at 6:20 AM

Well, why do we need more teachers when the student population is actually declining?

PattyJ on October 4, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Ding ding ding

petefrt on October 5, 2012 at 6:20 AM
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Because classroom are overcrowded

duh duh duh

Dave Rywall on October 5, 2012 at 8:05 AM

Note to Team Obama; you’re reaching.

70 million people watched the debate. Countless other voters told their spouses, friends, co-workers and acquaintances about it. Consensus? Whether you like it or not Mr. Romney won resoundingly.

But how did Mr. Romney win and why was it so convincing? Well for starters, Mr. Obama presented the same tired fallacies about Mr. Romney and his plans. Difference being, Mr. Romney was present to refute, rather convincingly, the lies Mr. Obama and his running mate have lobbed to scare voters. Fear has been the principle upon which Mr. Obama has built. And in this debate the bully was finally confronted.

What did people see? Well foremost, people realized that Mr. Romney was not the ogre Mr. Obama has caricatured. They saw a bright, articulate, honest and passionate candidate. A person who believes the hard, unencumbered work of America’s people is key to our collective future. A candidate with a vision and plans focused on unleashing American ingenuity and innovation.

That stands in stark contrast to Mr. Obama’s overreaching, imperial government that has buried us under a mountain of debt and government intrusion. A government that wants to penalized us further with taxation reaching confiscatory levels and intrude on the sacred doctor patient relationship to make decisions about our health.

Now in typical fashion, Mr. Obama wants to project his own inadequacies and weakness upon Mr. Romney. Out of the limelight and presence of Mr. Romney’s factual balancing he has returned to a campaign of fear and distraction. “What you heard with your own ears was not true”- even though it was clearly refuted numerous times, the last four years was someone else’s fault, etc. It’s actually an insulting insinuation to people that watched and understood what was going on.

For four years we’ve been bullied by a President who has put politics and divisiveness above unity the American people’s will. Now, we’ve had enough. Collectively.

Mr. Obama “looks forward” to the next debate”. I suspect it’s not as much as most of us.

Marcus Traianus on October 5, 2012 at 8:23 AM

Team Obama goes into emergency-restrategizing mode

Forget strategy; I strongly suggest “Strategery”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategery

patch on October 5, 2012 at 10:11 AM

The empty chair claims that wasn’t the real Mitt but it sure was the real BHO at that debate. Prezzy Smirk was back on his game calling Mitt a liar again. It’s scary if you think about it, but he is what’s between us and the radical hoard at the gate.

Kissmygrits on October 5, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Roomney should start measuring the drapes then. We did when Kerry won the first debate. Worked out well for us.

HotAirLib on October 4, 2012 at 9:19 PM

That’s because liberals like you are delusional.

zoyclem on October 5, 2012 at 11:57 AM

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