Did hubris catch up with Team Obama?

posted at 2:42 pm on October 4, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

As the Republican primary process wound down and Mitt Romney emerged as the likely candidate in spring of 2012, President Obama was itching to take him on, according to Glenn Thrush’s inside look at the Obama campaign, “Obama’s Last Stand.” How to take Romney on was another story, as the campaign waffled between pegging Romney as a man with “no core” or a “rotten core.” But the issue wasn’t just one of a strategy disagreement, as Thrush explained:

“Inside the White House, Romney was such an object of ridicule that it was hard to take him seriously, difficult to narrow the mass of contempt into a single, coherent narrative for not electing the presumptive GOP nominee.”

Was that the attitude President Obama brought to his three days of debate prep in Nevada? Obama certainly seemed to have trouble Wednesday “narrowing the mass of contempt into a single, coherent narrative for not electing the presumptive GOP nominee.” He meandered and stuttered in lengthy answers the media is generous in calling “professorial.” He sounded unprepared, pulling the same lines from his stump speeches again and again. He reached for straw men Mitt Romney had already dismantled.

The president inexplicably took Social Security off the table as a campaign issue, declaring, “You know, I suspect that, on Social Security, we’ve got a somewhat similar position.” That exchange came after Romney had already dominated a large portion of the debate, batting back hard at Obama’s description of his tax plan and pulling anecdotes and factoids together effortlessly. Obama reminded me of a wide receiver who’s been hit hard on a couple of attempted catches, and starts hearing footsteps every time he runs a route. The normally confident president got alligator arms on the Social Security issue and was afraid to lay out for the ball.

Obama supporters were blaming moderator Jim Lehrer just minutes into the debate for letting Romney control the clock. But the truth is Romney didn’t have the ball for longer, as the MSNBC crew kept claiming in their post-debate coverage; he just did more with it. Obama spoke for fully three minutes longer than Romney, according to the CNN live clock.

A parody Twitter account was created to embody liberals’ frustration with a debate that veered from its intended structure. Silent Jim Lehrer mumbled his way to almost 10,000 followers.

But how silent was Jim Lehrer, really? A check of Wednesday’s transcript shows he spoke about 1,400 words. When Lehrer moderated the first McCain-Obama debate in 2008, he tallied about 1,200 words, so his performance wasn’t out of character. The transcript also indicates he interjected more often than the average presidential debate moderator over the past three cycles. Transcripts show most moderators interject between 60 and 70 times, but Lehrer’s tally was in the 80s Wednesday.

Whatever the numbers, it did feel rough-and-tumble while remaining civil and substantive, and that’s what I appreciated about it. What happened to the days when windy, contentious Lincoln-Douglas-style debates were upheld by the media as the debate ideal? What happened to bemoaning a showboating moderator or a public that doesn’t digest in bigger chunks than soundbites?

Back in 2010, NBC’s Chuck Todd and Andrea Mitchell were using the free-wheeling, high-minded Lincoln-Douglas debates as a foil for novice Tea Party candidates’ performances in Senate races in Nevada and Delaware. As with discussions about entitlements after Ryan was added to the ticket, the press only wants a substantial conversation when Obama’s guaranteed to win it.


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he impolitely and specifically stole 5 seconds that he thought he had and wrung it into another 90 sec answer….

ted c on October 4, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Trying to run out the clock!

dominigan on October 4, 2012 at 3:43 PM

At the risk of sounding like a gushing MKH fan (which I am)… I just love this:

. Obama reminded me of a wide receiver who’s been hit hard on a couple of attempted catches, and starts hearing footsteps every time he runs a route.

Jackalope on October 4, 2012 at 3:44 PM

And with Consumer Confidence surging, something needs to shock people back to reality with regards to how the economy is really doing.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 3:40 PM

And with a Surge of your 2 Brain cells, your
World of Delusion is shocked by a jolt of Reality last evening.

ToddPA on October 4, 2012 at 3:44 PM

The real question is this:

How badly did this rattle Obama and his handlers? To what lengths will Obama’s handlers go to ensure Romney doesn’t mop the floor with him again?

Do they believe he’s capable of a better debate performance, or will they be trying to play the refs, strong-arming the organizers and moderators for a format that’d let him deliver little telepromptered set-piece speeches? Would he walk away from the remaining debates entirely?

What is Wormtongue Jarrett whispering in his ear now? She’s the eminence grise of this operation, he can’t function without her. Everyone else in this administration, even Axelrod, probably has a bus-chassis threshold but she does not, Obama will cling to her right up until the bus goes over the cliff.

The next debate is supposedly foreign policy. We know this is a topic about which Obama has zero interest and even a distaste, he came into office with a big goose-egg for knowledge and experience and hasn’t learned much since. Will the administration let us know who’s coaching him? I really can’t imagine them bringing in Hillary, Panetta’s got a useful background, but if he relies on the rest of his national security idiots – Clapper, Donilon, Rice, Power – he’s gonna get a thin, academic, and ideologically blinkered preparation that should lead to him being plunged dramatically into the washwater again.

JEM on October 4, 2012 at 3:45 PM

But none of this matters if there is a strong (over 100,000) jobs report out tomorrow.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Is that what your new meme is, and what you pin your hopes on now? after you have assaulted us with non-existent polls that have yet to come, after the tantrum you threw re: Romney post-debate campaigning plans, and so on….Goodness troll, you’ve been all over the place the last few hours, guess I didn’t realize how depsertae you are, take your meds already…..idiot, we are this close to relapsing into recession, the growth has been revised to 1.3 % the first quarter of next year, which means pretty much recession (sequestration not factored whixh could mean up to a million jobs loss) and you think the job report, any job report for that matter can look strong?? What planet do you inhabit, idiot??? Is it called ‘grandma’s basement’ by any chace??

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 3:46 PM

The next debate is supposedly foreign policy. We know this is a topic about which Obama has zero interest and even a distaste, he came into office with a big goose-egg for knowledge and experience and hasn’t learned much since. Will the administration let us know who’s coaching him? I really can’t imagine them bringing in Hillary, Panetta’s got a useful background, but if he relies on the rest of his national security idiots – Clapper, Donilon, Rice, Power – he’s gonna get a thin, academic, and ideologically blinkered preparation that should lead to him being plunged dramatically into the washwater again.

JEM on October 4, 2012 at 3:45 PM

All Rom ey needs to say is Benghazi..

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Great number crunching, MKH. Especially the number of words uttered by Jim Lehrah, as Rush calls him.

Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Hubris or fecklessness?… If that’s a word.

Fallon on October 4, 2012 at 3:50 PM

All Rom ey needs to say is Benghazi..

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Actually, he needs to say:

“Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…”

Rational Thought on October 4, 2012 at 3:50 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 3:43 PM

This I doubt because such a number is such a contradictory lie with reality that most would never buy it.

http://www.shadowstats.com/

Have you ever wondered why the CPI, GDP and employment numbers run counter to your personal and business experiences? The problem lies in biased and often-manipulated government reporting.

Primers on Government Economic Reports What you’ve suspected but were afraid to ask. The story behind unemployment, the Federal Deficit, CPI, GDP.

Here’s his number:

August Unemployment: 8.1% (U.3), 14.7% (U.6), 22.8% (ShadowStats.com)

INC on October 4, 2012 at 3:50 PM

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 3:46 PM

gumbyandpokey’s comments appear to be those of a concern troll.

I’m willing to be corrected, but this isn’t the first time I’ve noticed that.

INC on October 4, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Although he only gave three examples, Rush played clips of Lehrer’s “questions” to Obama and Obama’s answers and it was not unlike someone being prompted to remember the lines from a script.

Cindy Munford on October 4, 2012 at 2:48 PM

We all know Obama was fed the questions in advance. He didn’t prepare. He’s lazy. The LSM knows Obama had the questions. He failed. That’s why they are so angry. Obama will have the questions in advance next time too. Our media is criminal.

txhsmom on October 4, 2012 at 3:52 PM

“we are this close to relapsing into recession, the growth has been revised to 1.3 % the first quarter of next year, which means pretty much recession (sequestration not factored whixh could mean up to a million jobs loss) and you think the job report, any job report for that matter can look strong?? What planet do you inhabit, idiot??? Is it called ‘grandma’s basement’ by any chace??

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 3:46 PM”

Sorry, buddy, but Consumer Confidence is on the rise. People think things are getting much better. A jobs report over 100,000 only reinforces this belief. But keep believing what you read in a partisan echo chamber is what’s going on in the real world.

The Conference Board Consumer Confidence Index® Increases in September. Index Improves Nine Points.
25 Sep. 2012
http://www.conference-board.org/data/consumerconfidence.cfm

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-28/u-s-michigan-consumer-sentiment-index-rose-to-78-3-in-september.html

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 3:54 PM

As a supporter of President Obama, I’m really not at all panicked by the debate. Yes, Romney “won”, but only for as long as it takes for the Obama Campaign to unpack Romney’s lies for use in TV ads.

The other reason I’m not overly concerned is that last night was a wake up call for the President. Expect him to show up at the townhall meeting well prepared and on his game. He will whip out all the stuff he didn’t use in the first debate: the 47%, Bain,the Swiss bank accounts, etc. He won’t get fooled again.

chumpThreads on October 4, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Biden, on the other hand, is supposed to be a great guy…the old school, back-slapping kind of politician. IMO, he would have been a much better President than Obama.

daveyandgoliath on October 4, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Biden’s much older than Dear Leader is, and he’s had a history of brain aneurysms. In fact, he had 2 of them in the very same year. He’s also legendary for stealing other peoples’ material and claiming it’s his own. No wonder you worship him so.

He’s also a 5 Time Draft Dodger. it’s so hilarious to see you Democrat Puppets give him a pass for that after calling Cheney a War Criminal.

Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2012 at 3:55 PM

As a supporter of President Obama, I’m whistling past the graveyard right about now.

chumpThreads on October 4, 2012 at 3:54 PM

FIFY

AJsDaddie on October 4, 2012 at 3:57 PM

And just like that, Gallup has Zero’s approval up FOUR to 54% and unemployment DOWN to 7.9% for September. Do they think people are going to believe that shit?!

Rational Thought on October 4, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Well, as I recall Gallup was threatened by Holder and DOJ recently.

“Nice little Poll you’ve got there. Would be a Shame if something happened to it.”

Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2012 at 3:58 PM

From Shadow Stats:

Consumer Confidence Measures Financial Media Sentiment

INC on October 4, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Yeah, the bar is set low because of all the low-IQ voters out there.

daveyandgoliath on October 4, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Your Party owns that vote. You must be so proud of that Fact.

Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Rush said this morning that Obama did slightly better in his debate with Romney than he did in his debate with Clint Eastwood…. coffe cleanup cubicle 3

rjoco1 on October 4, 2012 at 4:00 PM

chumpThreads on October 4, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Where Romney merely need remind them that the Obama Administration’s lax treatment of the situation in the middle east led to one of our fellow Americans being raped and murdered and drug through the streets, and our PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES blamed it on AN AMERICAN.

ellesar04 on October 4, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Looking around the web today I have seen that Jim Lehrer was old and weak,Romney stole all of O’s time,the altitude,Mitt lied about everything,Obama was setting up Mitt for the next debate,and O didn’t dye his hair.

docflash on October 4, 2012 at 4:02 PM

The other reason I’m not overly concerned is that last night was a wake up call for the President. Expect him to show up at the townhall meeting well prepared and on his game. He will whip out all the stuff he didn’t use in the first debate: the 47%, Bain,the Swiss bank accounts, etc. He won’t get fooled again.

chumpThreads on October 4, 2012 at 3:54 PM

I’ll make you a gentleman’s bet that Obama mentions none of those things in either of the remaining two debates. Why? Because he knows they are easily refuted/explained by Romney and it serves Obama much better to let his distortions linger if he’s able to.

Kataklysmic on October 4, 2012 at 4:02 PM

But none of this matters if there is a strong (over 100,000) jobs report out tomorrow.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM

100k is not a strong jobs report, since it doesn’t cover new people coming into the labor pool. 250k isn’t bad. Bear in mind that 370k lost their jobs last week and the average stay on UE is over six months.

dogsoldier on October 4, 2012 at 4:03 PM

He sounded unprepared, pulling the same lines from his stump speeches again and again. He reached for straw men Mitt Romney had already dismantled.

I’m still angry about the pass BHO got on the mythical “tax credits” for sending jobs overseas. It offended the MBA/JD in my head.

As for his failure, Obama would have done better to hire MKH or Dick Morris as debate consultants. At least he would have had grown up issues to discuss instead of community college garbage — like his vague aim to educate everyone.

Plagarism I owe Dick Morris credit for my written observation that Obama had memorized his closing. I thought that and then his delivery became so poor I doubted myself until Dick tweeted it. Dick was calling Romney “hot” two minutes in. Very sharp analyst.

IlikedAUH2O on October 4, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Romney to Obama …are ya going to do something or just stand there and bleed?

Red Meat on October 4, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Obama’s demeanor last night, coupled with the 2007 video released the day before, were both huge contrasts from O’s usual demeaner. It’s like one person with 3 different personalities. Jarring, and hopefully it makes some of the less engaged wonder “who is the real Obama?”

Last night I watch MSDNC for really the first time. What has struck me about all of the lefty reaction is how surprised they were at O’s performance. I think many were genuinely surprised, which means some of them have really thought all along he was some kind of brilliant genius. I really hope they read some of our feedback that notes this was the first time, really ever, that O has had to defend his record, think for himself on his feet, and be challenged by a competent opponent without the media help (Hillary was competent but the 2008 media was hell bent on Obama. Romney appears to accept he’s running against the media as well as O, better prepared). Maybe the “empty suit” criticism the right has been talking about for the last four years will finally sink in to some of them. I’ve thought they were just covering for a fellow traveler, but maybe not, maybe they really did not see what has been so obvious to most of us. The naked emperor has been exposed.

As I watched, I thought, Romney worked his ass off to prepare. He made his recitation of facts and deft weaving of them into a larger narrative look effortless. It was not by a long shot, but he made it look easy. Only really competent people can do that.

This is a man who is disciplined and will be ready to take the 3 am call. And when events spin out of control, like they do for every president, this is a guy that will take command and figure things out. Obama and Hillary have been utterly treacherous in the wake of 9/11/12. Not only the cover up, but O hasn’t inspired any confidence that he has any idea what to do now. Virtually no communication from the top to the American public. The trip to Vegas is beyond inexcusable.

Others have said it, but Romney appeared so much more presidential than the guy who actually IS president.

Mayday on October 4, 2012 at 4:05 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-28/u-s-michigan-consumer-sentiment-index-rose-to-78-3-in-september.html

daveyandgoliath on October 4, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Do you even bother to read what you cut and paste before you post it?

From your link above:

A separate report today showed business activity unexpectedly contracted in September for the first time in three years, adding to signs manufacturing will contribute less to the expansion. The Institute for Supply Management-Chicago Inc. said today its business barometer fell 49.7 this month from 53 in August. A reading of 50 is the dividing line between expansion and contraction.

Stocks fell after the report, with the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index dropping 0.5 percent to 1,439.36 at 10:06 a.m. in New York.

Know why business activity contracted? Because business owners saw the oversampled “polls”, and concluded that there was a possibility enough stupid people would come out of the woodwork to vote for O’bamna.

BTW according to Bloomberg, Consumer Confidence is the same now as it was in May of this year. And the same as it was in July of this year.

You really need shovels for each hand.

Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2012 at 4:07 PM

INC on October 4, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Great post. I’ve written about this ad nauseum as well. The GDP is faked, for example by the DEA’s use of annualized deflaters. It works the same way as people dropping out of the labor pool for the UE numbers. The Consumer Metrics Institute has the math if you’re interested.

dogsoldier on October 4, 2012 at 4:07 PM

O/T:

Obama is clinging to a 2-point lead in a liberal Illinois district he captured by 23 points in 2008. And these are pre-debate numbers.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/04/obama-collapse-in-illinois-tied-in-liberal-district-he-won-by-23-points-in-08

Right Mover on October 4, 2012 at 4:08 PM

As a supporter of President Obama, I’m really not at all panicked by the debate. Yes, Romney “won”, but only for as long as it takes for the Obama Campaign to unpack Romney’s lies for use in TV ads.

chumpThreads on October 4, 2012 at 3:54 PM

What did Romney “lie” about last night? Credible, multi-sourced cites, please.

Oh, that’s right, you have me on “Ignore”, because I made you mad by correctly noting how O’bamna got a record number of high school dropouts to vote for him in 2008, and will do so again this year.

Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2012 at 4:09 PM

BTW according to Bloomberg, Consumer Confidence is the same now as it was in May of this year. And the same as it was in July of this year.

You really need shovels for each hand.

Del Dolemonte on October 4, 2012 at 4:07 PM

This is why Skippy lost. You are armed with the facts and they are armed with squish. IMHO

A+ heh

dogsoldier on October 4, 2012 at 4:10 PM

The next debate is supposedly foreign policy. We know this is a topic about which Obama has zero interest and even a distaste, he came into office with a big goose-egg for knowledge and experience and hasn’t learned much since.

JEM on October 4, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Please oh please oh please bring up Fast & Furious and bury him in facts… then ask him to recite Article III Section 3 of the Constitution. When he can’t… hand him a copy and ask him to read it aloud for the 50 million viewers and ask if he considers Mexican drug cartels to be our friends or enemies!

dominigan on October 4, 2012 at 4:10 PM

dogsoldier on October 4, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Gah! DEA should read BEA….

dogsoldier on October 4, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Don’t fergit I’m your meat soldier in the war on bacon.

Anyway nice wide receiver analogy.

SparkPlug on October 4, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Romney to Obama …are ya going to do something or just stand there and bleed?

Red Meat on October 4, 2012 at 4:05 PM

awww yeah, I’m your huckleberry! Obligatory ToMBSTONE reference gettin’ thrown down!

Go ahead and skin that ChoomWagon boy and see what happens!

ted c on October 4, 2012 at 4:13 PM

chumpThreads is a trig troofer slime bag

SparkPlug on October 4, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Interesting comments on Lehrer interjections. I thought he interjected more when Romney was trying to answer his questions, except, of course, when he was trying to coach Obama and help him out.

COgirl on October 4, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Mayday on October 4, 2012 at 4:05 PM

+1000 Very well stated! Every time Romney went to address a statement of Obama’s, I held my breath hoping Romney would bring up all the different facts we discuss here on HA… AND HE DID for the most part!

I loved when Obama pointed out that gas and oil production was up, and Romney corrected him that PRIVATE gas and oil production was up, no thanks to the federal side… and that Obama’s administration had cut the permits for drilling on federal lands in half. THANK YOU MITT!

dominigan on October 4, 2012 at 4:15 PM

He will whip out all the stuff he didn’t use in the first debate: the 47%, Bain,the Swiss bank accounts, etc. He won’t get fooled again.

chumpThreads on October 4, 2012 at 3:54 PM

In other words, he will remain utterly incapable of defending his own record as President.

Right Mover on October 4, 2012 at 4:18 PM

I’ll make you a gentleman’s bet that Obama mentions none of those things in either of the remaining two debates. Why? Because he knows they are easily refuted/explained by Romney and it serves Obama much better to let his distortions linger if he’s able to.

Kataklysmic on October 4, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Zero won’t have to mention it. His surrogates will in the CNN “town hall” debate. I expect that is pretty much all that debate will be about after CNN is done “vetting” the “regular citizen” questioners. And he’ll have some angry black questioners, too, screaming about the “racism” in his food stamp criticism. After last night, I think Romney can handle it, but that town hall debate is going to get really ugly really fast. Ugly is all Zero and the sharia media have got left.

Rational Thought on October 4, 2012 at 4:19 PM

But keep believing what you read in a partisan echo chamber is what’s going on in the real world.

gumbyandpokey

Scott Walker is on line one. He says your concern trolling is duly noted.

xblade on October 4, 2012 at 4:20 PM

“BTW according to Bloomberg, Consumer Confidence is the same now as it was in May of this year. And the same as it was in July of this year.”

And?

Look at the trends, my friend. People think things are getting better just as the election nears, which is a huge help for Obama. Same with the right track/wrong track numbers, which are breaking Obama’s way. People are more optimistic and that means more votes for the President.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 4:21 PM

“Obama is clinging to a 2-point lead in a liberal Illinois district he captured by 23 points in 2008. And these are pre-debate numbers.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/04/obama-collapse-in-illinois-tied-in-liberal-district-he-won-by-23-points-in-08

Right Mover on October 4, 2012 at 4:08 PM”

Is that from a real poll, or the ridiculous We Ask America poll that had Walker winning the recall by 14 points?

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 4:22 PM

People are more optimistic

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Because they think Romney is going to win.

Rational Thought on October 4, 2012 at 4:22 PM

All Rom ey needs to say is Benghazi..

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Actually, he needs to say:

“Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…Benghazi…lie…cover-up…tortured and murdered ambassador…”

Rational Thought on October 4, 2012 at 3:50 PM

that’s what I meant :)…

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:23 PM

If anyone asks you what the difference is between an executive and a community organizer, point them to last night’s debate.

ajacksonian on October 4, 2012 at 4:24 PM

“A separate report today showed business activity unexpectedly contracted in September for the first time in three years”

Yep, business activity always is always paid attention to by causal voters. Just like GDP and other stats people simply do not care about.

The jobs report, and more importantly, the unemployment number is the only thing that moves the numbers.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Is that from a real poll, or the ridiculous We Ask America poll that had Walker winning the recall by 14 points?

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Oh, you mean the same election that you had Barrett winning?

Right Mover on October 4, 2012 at 4:24 PM

People are more optimistic

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Because they think Romney is going to win.

Rational Thought on October 4, 2012 at 4:22 PM

The Dow was up 80 today on the heels of Romney’s showing last night.

Right Mover on October 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM

and that means more votes for the President

Until last night………

The CNN poll showed 58 percent of voters felt Romney had shown himself as a stronger leader, with 37 percent saying Obama. The two even tied on likability, an area in which Obama usually has a wide lead. Romney led by 12 points on the question of who would best handle the economy, a big swing from a pre-debate poll by the network showing the two tied on the issue.
The polls also suggest the potential for a major impact on the race: 35 percent of voters in the CNN poll said the debate made them more likely to vote for Romney, while just 18 percent said Obama.

BacaDog on October 4, 2012 at 4:27 PM

but that town hall debate is going to get really ugly really fast. Ugly is all Zero and the sharia media have got left.

Rational Thought on October 4, 2012 at 4:19 PM

That’s a safe bet. After the curb stoping Barry took last night the next debate is a must win for him and his MSM fluffers have seen clearly now that he is not up to the task. I’m expecting nothing less than armageddon at that townhall.

Kataklysmic on October 4, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Is that from a real poll, or the ridiculous We Ask America poll that had Walker winning the recall by 14 points?

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 4:22 PM

You mean ridiculous ‘we ask america’ poll like this below lool :)

Walker is a goner…

“A new Rasmussen poll finds that Republican Wisconsin Scott Walker is in trouble of being recalled June 5, with a majority, 52 percent, saying they will vote him

Worse for Walker: 53 percent disapprove of his job as governor with a whopping 46 percent saying they “strongly disapprove” of Walker. Majorities of both men and women now support his recall.”

gumbyandpokey on April 2, 2012 at 7:10 PM

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:28 PM

The trolls today are like blind pigs looking for acorns in a field of rocks.

itsspideyman on October 4, 2012 at 4:29 PM

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Thanks for the history lesson jimver buddy. :)

itsspideyman on October 4, 2012 at 4:30 PM

“sharia media”

Rational Thought on October 4, 2012 at 4:19 PM

As stupid a phrase as anything ever written on this blog. Did you get that from Rush?

chumpThreads on October 4, 2012 at 4:30 PM

The Dow was up 80 today on the heels of Romney’s showing last night.

Right Mover on October 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM

business insider basically said that it was a Romney market rally…

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:30 PM

The trolls today are like blind pigs looking for acorns in a field of rocks.

itsspideyman on October 4, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Great figure of speech :)…i can totally visualoze the analogy gumbey – pig :).

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Visualize that is…

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:32 PM

“About Osama Bin Laden…”

-Entire text of Obama’s notes in the 2nd debate

evergreen on October 4, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Did hubris catch up with Team Obama??? Catch up??? Obama has been the Poster Boy for Hubris-R-Us from the get go. The thing about hubris is that it doesn’t allow for proper course correction, the kind that comes from admitting that the source of the problem is not your opponent, Obama, it’s you. He is psychologically incapable of admitting that and he’s surrounded himself with sycophants and toadies or like-minded socialists (like Valerie Jarrett), none of whom are going to tell him that he did anything wrong. Hence you get what you see today: blame Romney, blame the altitude, blame the price of tea in China, blame the phase of the moon, blame anybody but SCOAMF.

It would simply be pitiful were it not for the very sobering, nauseating fact that as incompetent as Obama is, he is already the President.

natasha333 on October 4, 2012 at 4:35 PM

“About Osama Bin Laden…”

-Entire text of Obama’s notes in the 2nd debate

evergreen on October 4, 2012 at 4:33 PM

And Benghazi should be the main text of romney’s notes in the 2nd debate…

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:35 PM

business insider basically said that it was a Romney market rally…

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:30 PM

coal stocks particularly were strong out of the box….15 words from romney..and boom.

t8stlikchkn on October 4, 2012 at 4:36 PM

As stupid a phrase as anything ever written on this blog. Did you get that from Rush?

chumpThreads on October 4, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Awwww. Is someone having a bad day?

Rational Thought on October 4, 2012 at 4:38 PM

With an assist today from Biden, Romney-Ryan need to hammer home the point that Obama is only “promising” to not increase income tax rates on the middle class for one year, 2013. He’s made no promise to extend the Bush tax cuts for ALL brackets beginning January 1, 2014.

Nor will Obama ever make any such promise, because he must have more revenue to fund his spending.

matthew8787 on October 4, 2012 at 4:38 PM

And Benghazi should be the main text of romney’s notes in the 2nd debate…

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:35 PM

and syria
and egypt
and iran
and isreal
and green revolution
and eastern europe
and china
and russia, and reset
and ABMs
and iraq instability from premature withdrawal
and…..

t8stlikchkn on October 4, 2012 at 4:38 PM

:You mean ridiculous ‘we ask america’ poll like this below lool :)

Walker is a goner…

“A new Rasmussen poll finds that Republican Wisconsin Scott Walker is in trouble of being recalled June 5, with a majority, 52 percent, saying they will vote him

Worse for Walker: 53 percent disapprove of his job as governor with a whopping 46 percent saying they “strongly disapprove” of Walker. Majorities of both men and women now support his recall.”

gumbyandpokey on April 2, 2012 at 7:10 PM

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:28 PM”

If that had been Rasmussen’s final poll in the recall, the comparison could be made. However…

Rasmussen Reports 5/9 – 5/9 500 LV 50 45 Walker +5

We Ask America had Walker up exactly 12 pts in their last two Walker/Barrett polls. If you want to rely on them, be my guest.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Just a few funnies..:)

Andrew Sullivan: “Look, you know how much I love the guy, and how much of a high-info viewer I am, but this was a disaster for Obama.”

Chris Matthews: “Where was Obama tonight?”   “What was Romney doing? He was winning.”

Bill Maher: “I can’t believe I’m saying this, but Obama looks like he DOES need a teleprompter”

Al Gore blames Obama’s poor debate performance on high altitude

idesign on October 4, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Didn’t Obama also stipulate last night that Romney’s medicare plan would not affect current and incoming retirees (say 55 and older)?

Did I imagine this concession? If Obama did make this concession, his Florida campaign is over; Mediscare is off the table.

matthew8787 on October 4, 2012 at 4:40 PM

“business insider basically said that it was a Romney market rally…

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:30 PM”

Market has been roaring for weeks now, which is one of the reasons for the Consumer Confidence surge.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 4:41 PM

But none of this matters if there is a strong (over 100,000) jobs report out tomorrow.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM
100k is not a strong jobs report, since it doesn’t cover new people coming into the labor pool. 250k isn’t bad. Bear in mind that 370k lost their jobs last week and the average stay on UE is over six months.

dogsoldier on October 4, 2012 at 4:03 PM

dogsolder – you’re using facts in an attempt to persuade a liberal. That’s like trying to use a grain of sand to alter the course of a raging river. Liberals are physically and psychologically incapable of absorbing the truth, let alone admitting that there is even a remote possibiity that their ill-informed, illogical world view is wrong.

natasha333 on October 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Didn’t Obama also stipulate last night that Romney’s medicare plan would not affect current and incoming retirees (say 55 and older)?

Did I imagine this concession? If Obama did make this concession, his Florida campaign is over; Mediscare is off the table.

matthew8787 on October 4, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Was that before or after he stipulated that Romney’s “first day in office” would be a tough one?

Rational Thought on October 4, 2012 at 4:43 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Yeah, there are consumers walking around everywhere going “Man, am I confident!!!” :D

itsspideyman on October 4, 2012 at 4:44 PM

and syria
and egypt
and iran
and isreal
and green revolution
and eastern europe
and china
and russia, and reset
and ABMs
and iraq instability from premature withdrawal
and…..

t8stlikchkn on October 4, 2012 at 4:38 PM

and “more FLEXIBILITY after the election”

wren on October 4, 2012 at 4:45 PM

“business insider basically said that it was a Romney market rally…

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:30 PM”

Market has been roaring for weeks now, which is one of the reasons for the Consumer Confidence surge.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Roaring they have been, in your head….I mean the voices….

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:47 PM

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:47 PM

We should also expect a much-needed correction in all this green crap.

slickwillie2001 on October 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM

business insider basically said that it was a Romney market rally…

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:30 PM

coal stocks particularly were strong out of the box….15 words from romney..and boom.

t8stlikchkn on October 4, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Yep, here, I found it…gumbey may take notes…assuming took his meds and he is not hearing the market roaring voices in his head….

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:51 PM

I think we can all better understand how Russia got Obama to give up the missile defense.

It must be pretty obvious…yet no one is remarking on if he was like this to win the office, what’s he like when he’s just negotiating…scary thought.

The meme should be….If Obama acts like this in front of an audience, what’s he like in private discussions with world leaders…and that will eventually surface.

right2bright on October 4, 2012 at 4:52 PM

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:47 PM

We should also expect a much-needed correction in all this green crap.

slickwillie2001 on October 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM

It’s coming…

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:52 PM

I could do a lot of things on MY first day in office.

Like send the marshals around to padlock every EPA office, take all paper documents and do forensic copies of all computer disks.

JEM on October 4, 2012 at 4:52 PM

dogsolder – you’re using facts in an attempt to persuade a liberal. That’s like trying to use a grain of sand to alter the course of a raging river. Liberals are physically and psychologically incapable of absorbing the truth, let alone admitting that there is even a remote possibiity that their ill-informed, illogical world view is wrong.

natasha333 on October 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM

You’re correct, of course. Here’s a poser for Gumby though. If “casual voters” (What are those anyway?) don’t care about the GDP, then why is the BEA faking the value?

What happens if that faked number is allowed to drop to zero for two quarters?

dogsoldier on October 4, 2012 at 4:57 PM

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Yep, no doubt, it’s a ROMNEY RALLY!

itsspideyman on October 4, 2012 at 5:01 PM

germyandpukey seems upset about something. I wonder what it could be?

St Gaudens on October 4, 2012 at 5:04 PM

We Ask America had Walker up exactly 12 pts in their last two Walker/Barrett polls. If you want to rely on them, be my guest.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 4:40 PM

No, I will rely on your accurate predictions (like these, below) from now on loool :)

Walker is a goner…

“A new Rasmussen poll finds that Republican Wisconsin Scott Walker is in trouble of being recalled June 5, with a majority, 52 percent, saying they will vote him

Worse for Walker: 53 percent disapprove of his job as governor with a whopping 46 percent saying they “strongly disapprove” of Walker. Majorities of both men and women now support his recall.”

gumbyandpokey on April 2, 2012 at 7:10 PM

jimver on October 4, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Obama clearly suffered from narcissistic personality disorder before the 2008 election. “Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence and self-esteem into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal.” (Mayo Clinic, http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652/DSECTION=symptoms). Obama’s mental disorder has deepened during his time in office. After years of teleprompters, controlled audience questions and an obsequious media, how dare anyone ask Obama to answer a valid question or explain his actions? Simply put, Obama may not be able to perform in the debates of 2012 due to his mental illness.

The National Institute of Health
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001930/
defines narcissistic personality disorder as follows:

“Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition in which people have an inflated sense of self-importance and an extreme preoccupation with themselves. A person with narcissistic personality disorder may:
React to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation
Take advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals
• Have excessive feelings of self-importance
Exaggerate achievements and talents
• Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love
• Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment
Need constant attention and admiration
Disregard the feelings of others, and have little ability to feel empathy
• Have obsessive self-interest
• Pursue mainly selfish goals

Obama: textbook example.

TimeOnTarget on October 4, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Prediction: Obama will miss next debate because he is:

1. Sick
2. Dealing with international crisis
3. Too busy laser focusing on jobs
4. Watching re-runs of Bin Laden raid

When “they” made Obama President he never agreed to be humiliated like this. Of course “they” knew he wasn’t too bright and did not think anyone would notice his lack of clothes.

If he does show up look closely for an earpiece that “they” will use to feed him answers.

sdbatboy on October 4, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Although he only gave three examples, Rush played clips of Lehrer’s “questions” to Obama and Obama’s answers and it was not unlike someone being prompted to remember the lines from a script.

Cindy Munford on October 4, 2012 at 2:48 PM

I would bet that the approach that is most likely to be successful for Obama’s team is to work through the debate moderators and get them to ask easy questions of Obama for which they have prepared answers and encourage the moderators continued coaching of Obama throughout the debates eg “Mr. President, do you favor a more balanced approach?”

I don’t think Obama is capable of anything else to improve his debate performance. That was probably the best he can do.

talkingpoints on October 4, 2012 at 5:41 PM

The arrogance comes back to haunt the Obama crew. Romney was held to ridicule, by people who would be street cleaners if not for a media dumb as they are? The morons are in shock

arand on October 4, 2012 at 5:49 PM

I suspect Obama will be more animated at the next debate, which is the Town Hall format. He’ll peddle lots of lies, distractions, and demagoguery.

The strategic problem for Bam-Bam is that the Romney they depicted from millions and millions of dollars in advertising was thrown in the crapper. Now they have to find something else, because there is no record they can run on.

Being an incumbent president running as the challenger is a basic contradiction. And the Romney people are having none of it.

matthew8787 on October 4, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Gloating for 20 seconds and then moving on:

All winter, spring and summer I repeatedly stated on HA that Romney would be a superb debater, an excellent candidate, that he was not John McCain, that Mitt was determined to be ELECTED president, and that nominating a governor and not a senator was the correct path.

Now back to regular programming. Thank you.

matthew8787 on October 4, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Did hubris catch up with Team Obama?

Does the Sun rise in the east?

Is the Pope Catholic?

Does the bear… well, anyway the only real question is the percentage contribution of hubris, ineptitude, and mendacity. They all contributed, believe me.

drunyan8315 on October 4, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Al Gore blames Obama’s poor debate performance on high altitude

idesign on October 4, 2012 at 4:40 PM

So, I guess we do need global warming

ConservativePartyNow on October 4, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Perhaps we should explain to Obama shill gumbyandpokey why exactly no one here cares.

The answer is in the post itself:

Obama supporters were blaming moderator Jim Lehrer just minutes into the debate for letting Romney control the clock. But the truth is Romney didn’t have the ball for longer, as the MSNBC crew kept claiming in their post-debate coverage; he just did more with it. Obama spoke for fully three minutes longer than Romney, according to the CNN live clock.

A parody Twitter account was created to embody liberals’ frustration with a debate that veered from its intended structure. Silent Jim Lehrer mumbled his way to almost 10,000 followers.
But how silent was Jim Lehrer, really? A check of Wednesday’s transcript shows he spoke about 1,400 words. When Lehrer moderated the first McCain-Obama debate in 2008, he tallied about 1,200 words, so his performance wasn’t out of character. The transcript also indicates he interjected more often than the average presidential debate moderator over the past three cycles. Transcripts show most moderators interject between 60 and 70 times, but Lehrer’s tally was in the 80s Wednesday.

Simply put, gumbyandpokey, liberals lie.

That’s it. You lie.

You seem to be under the belief that you can say whatever you want and that people will accept it if it has a number attached to it.

For the Obama base, which is overwhelmingly uneducated, illiterate, and dependent on skin color and minority status to get checks, that works; since they don’t comprehend math, they see numbers as magical.

But for the rest of us, the people who bothered to get an education, learn to read, and who must earn their money, we know that numbers can be faked.

And you and your fellow liberals fake numbers. Right there are examples of outright lies told by you and your fellow Obama supporters that were easily debunked. You don’t care. You spewed the lies and you insist the lies are correct.

You are pathological. There simply is no other word for it. You are so desperate to get your welfare check and live at other peoples’ expense that you are justifying the constant and outright lying of your Obama, your Obama Party, and your Obama-puppet media.

northdallasthirty on October 4, 2012 at 6:06 PM

narcissistic personality disorder
Obama: textbook example.

TimeOnTarget on October 4, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Was his picture next to the definition? Rather, a picture of him looking in the mirror.

STL_Vet on October 4, 2012 at 6:17 PM

And with Consumer Confidence surging, something needs to shock people back to reality with regards to how the economy is really doing.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 3:40 PM

You fool! The economy does not improve based on polls! And Mitt will dissect that jobs report in a heartbeat.

Mitsouko on October 4, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Did hubris catch up with Team Obama?

I think maybe karma. Or serendipity.

Blaise on October 4, 2012 at 6:26 PM

As stupid a phrase as anything ever written on this blog. Did you get that from Rush?

chumpThreads on October 4, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Awwww. Is someone having a bad day?

Rational Thought on October 4, 2012 at 4:38 PM

That happens when you back the left’s dreamy narcissist son of a b1tch in chief… I even before being a vet, always treated our presidents with respect, all of the,…

The left has kicked that out of me.. I treat their presidents with all the contempt the bast*rds deserve.. why bother being polite to serial liars who couldn’t tell the truth if you held their nutz in a vice.

Obama has the contempt of most vets, by a two digit margin.. so they work to block military absentee ballots.. They move to stop 80% public approved voter ID laws to make their voting fraud easier,.. They send their trolls here after Obama looked the absolute clueless dunce in the first debate.. to smear,.. distort.. and change the subject so as to strip away any attention from the idiot they backed..

Obama isn’t even bright, let alone the smartest president EVAH!.. these clowns never challenged this fool,.. and covered up his constant meandering brain farts.. he may have a Harvard degree in community rabble rousing.. but why did he never take the bar exam?

We know why.. the empty suited tool, was passed through with a wink and a nod, as the left’s prize pupil.. who never had to actually preform.. just dazzle their halfwit base with BS written by others.. and who stammers and stutters like a moron when off script.

He’s not that bright.. never was..

mark81150 on October 4, 2012 at 7:01 PM

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