Did hubris catch up with Team Obama?

posted at 2:42 pm on October 4, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

As the Republican primary process wound down and Mitt Romney emerged as the likely candidate in spring of 2012, President Obama was itching to take him on, according to Glenn Thrush’s inside look at the Obama campaign, “Obama’s Last Stand.” How to take Romney on was another story, as the campaign waffled between pegging Romney as a man with “no core” or a “rotten core.” But the issue wasn’t just one of a strategy disagreement, as Thrush explained:

“Inside the White House, Romney was such an object of ridicule that it was hard to take him seriously, difficult to narrow the mass of contempt into a single, coherent narrative for not electing the presumptive GOP nominee.”

Was that the attitude President Obama brought to his three days of debate prep in Nevada? Obama certainly seemed to have trouble Wednesday “narrowing the mass of contempt into a single, coherent narrative for not electing the presumptive GOP nominee.” He meandered and stuttered in lengthy answers the media is generous in calling “professorial.” He sounded unprepared, pulling the same lines from his stump speeches again and again. He reached for straw men Mitt Romney had already dismantled.

The president inexplicably took Social Security off the table as a campaign issue, declaring, “You know, I suspect that, on Social Security, we’ve got a somewhat similar position.” That exchange came after Romney had already dominated a large portion of the debate, batting back hard at Obama’s description of his tax plan and pulling anecdotes and factoids together effortlessly. Obama reminded me of a wide receiver who’s been hit hard on a couple of attempted catches, and starts hearing footsteps every time he runs a route. The normally confident president got alligator arms on the Social Security issue and was afraid to lay out for the ball.

Obama supporters were blaming moderator Jim Lehrer just minutes into the debate for letting Romney control the clock. But the truth is Romney didn’t have the ball for longer, as the MSNBC crew kept claiming in their post-debate coverage; he just did more with it. Obama spoke for fully three minutes longer than Romney, according to the CNN live clock.

A parody Twitter account was created to embody liberals’ frustration with a debate that veered from its intended structure. Silent Jim Lehrer mumbled his way to almost 10,000 followers.

But how silent was Jim Lehrer, really? A check of Wednesday’s transcript shows he spoke about 1,400 words. When Lehrer moderated the first McCain-Obama debate in 2008, he tallied about 1,200 words, so his performance wasn’t out of character. The transcript also indicates he interjected more often than the average presidential debate moderator over the past three cycles. Transcripts show most moderators interject between 60 and 70 times, but Lehrer’s tally was in the 80s Wednesday.

Whatever the numbers, it did feel rough-and-tumble while remaining civil and substantive, and that’s what I appreciated about it. What happened to the days when windy, contentious Lincoln-Douglas-style debates were upheld by the media as the debate ideal? What happened to bemoaning a showboating moderator or a public that doesn’t digest in bigger chunks than soundbites?

Back in 2010, NBC’s Chuck Todd and Andrea Mitchell were using the free-wheeling, high-minded Lincoln-Douglas debates as a foil for novice Tea Party candidates’ performances in Senate races in Nevada and Delaware. As with discussions about entitlements after Ryan was added to the ticket, the press only wants a substantial conversation when Obama’s guaranteed to win it.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2 3

..not so much that as one big-assed fleet of bulldozers. Ask that idiot Brooksie at the NYT.

“If you’re not the bulldozer, you’re the pavement.”

The War Planner on October 4, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Money quote right there at the end MKH

cmsinaz on October 4, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Although he only gave three examples, Rush played clips of Lehrer’s “questions” to Obama and Obama’s answers and it was not unlike someone being prompted to remember the lines from a script.

Cindy Munford on October 4, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Silent Jim Lehrer mumbled his way to almost 10,000 followers.

I feel so sorry for Jim Lehrer. Jim Lehrer is the epitome of old, biased media begging for government subsidies. You can’t be more media establishment than Lehrer. Still, despite his attempts to bail out Barry, he’s getting thrown under the Hope and Change express.

Watch out, Candy Crowley. Chris Matthews has his knives ready for you if you don’t give Obama the next debate. Pro-tip: Get Sandra Flux planted in the townhall.

MeatHeadinCA on October 4, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Hubris? Reality finally caught up with the nakid teenager emperor.

Obama is not smart.

Obama is not a wonderful orator.

Obama has no core and no vision.

He is just what he’s always been, a hoax upon the land and the world.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Right on – Lincoln Douglas is what I was looking for in a headlines comment. Good post MKH.

repost

The debate format was awesome. It’s the first time I’ve seen these pols actually debate unfiltered. It was a proper academic Lincoln-Douglas debate. Lehrah deserves a lot of praise.

BoxHead1 on October 4, 2012 at 2:37 PM

BoxHead1 on October 4, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Although he only gave three examples, Rush played clips of Lehrer’s “questions” to Obama and Obama’s answers and it was not unlike someone being prompted to remember the lines from a script.

Cindy Munford on October 4, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Exactly.

MeatHeadinCA on October 4, 2012 at 2:49 PM

When a participant has nothing to say and is used to the media speaking for him, it is no wonder they get confused when the media stops speaking.

Yes, of course, Dinnerjack and Putin are going to give Obama all the time in the world to get his thoughts together and help him along, but he can’t handle Romney?

This is the culmination of all those lowered expectations and participation badges. Liberals wanted it, now they have it and are going to own it.

kim roy on October 4, 2012 at 2:49 PM

The best part about last night’s slaughter? Little Bammy is going to come out swinging in the next debate and is sure to stink the place up with his desperation within the first five minutes.

Kataklysmic on October 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM

The bottom line: Romney showed up to do the job, while OBOZO simply expected his socialist media stooge to, as always, cover his A – but lehrer failed in his MOST IMPORTANT ASSIGNMENT. OBOZO is soooooo upset at lehrer’s failure to make him look good (and slime Romney), he might take back a couple million dollars of lehrer’s taxpayer-funded, BIG GOVERNMENT provided PBS salary.

TeaPartyNation on October 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM

the press only wants a substantial conversation when Obama’s guaranteed to win it.

BOY, did you say a mouth full! bho tried to take control going on endlessly but Mitt got to bho so he couldn’t!

This debate will be tucked away on my memory as about the best I have seen! Mitt won and won by a mile!
L

letget on October 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM

It has been a fun day whatchig all the Liberal heads explode.

They were not prepared for what happened, at all.

kingsjester on October 4, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Last night’s debate is what happens when you think you can do everything better than anybody else. “Pride goes before a fall”

chemman on October 4, 2012 at 2:51 PM

I can’t wait for the VP debates.

On serious note, expect Obama to join Turkey/NATO against Syria, soon, or to bobm a neighborhood in Benghazi, or another place in N. Afica, or some ships in the Hormuz. He will change the subject from his dismal economic/foreign policy record, and will call you a “racist” if you don’t vote for a CiC ‘at war’.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 2:51 PM

The numbers are in!!!

58 million watched Obama stink the place up last night…

PatriotRider on October 4, 2012 at 2:51 PM

The best part about last night’s slaughter? Little Bammy is going to come out swinging in the next debate and is sure to stink the place up with his desperation within the first five minutes.

Kataklysmic on October 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Feathers coming out of the ‘cannon’.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Stop this nonsense. Obama was trounced because he’s fundamentally incompetent and left to his own resources in an environment not controlled by his handlers, he will blunder and he will fail. At some point all of these wimpy pundits will be forced to admit that fact and move on. It’s time to stop making excuses for this dolt, defeat him in the election and hope that another like him doesn’t surface for at least another millennium.

rplat on October 4, 2012 at 2:52 PM

If by “professorial” you mean straight from Bill Allen’s Pocono Institute of Taxidermy then yes. Flayed, stuffed and mounted is no way to go through debates, son.

msmveritas on October 4, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Whatever the numbers, it did feel rough-and-tumble while remaining civil and substantive, and that’s what I appreciated about it. What happened to the days when windy, contentious Lincoln-Douglas-style debates were upheld by the media as the debate ideal? What happened to bemoaning a showboating moderator or a public that doesn’t digest in bigger chunks than soundbites?

What happened is that Obama found himself unable to hide behind the moderator when meanie-face Romney started presenting him with his own record.

That’s the outrage on the left. Why didn’t Lehrer protect Dear Leader?

Red Cloud on October 4, 2012 at 2:54 PM

if you’re not going to allow obumbles to have the questions before the debate so that his team can load a canned response into a teleprompter for him to read…..he’s done.

Period.

Tim_CA on October 4, 2012 at 2:54 PM

We’ll probably see Obama in heavy make-up (Like Gore) in the next debate…heh…

PatriotRider on October 4, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 2:51 PM

I would not be surprised one bit if bho didn’t do this? Gotta have a major crisis/distraction now don’t we? bho will do worse with the next debate(if possible) because of his/hills mess all over the world!
L

letget on October 4, 2012 at 2:54 PM

“Inside the White House, Romney was such an object of ridicule that it was hard to take him seriously,

During the debate, it seemed like Obama didn’t take Romney seriously, grimacing and shaking his head while Romney spoke, but the voters watching the debate might have taken Romney very seriously.

Steve Z on October 4, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Most prepared preezy in history…must be a real dummy.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Barry approaches the office he was elected to unprepared and unwilling to do any work to make himself more ready, the same way he approached the debate.

bayview on October 4, 2012 at 2:56 PM

letget on October 4, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Mitt will hold a major FP speech. He must be prepared for this. I think Obama might even start something ahead of Mitt’s speech.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Hammertime… Looks like you had a good night sleep after last nights match. We did not catch any. Replays and Replays… Will hopefully catch some sleep tonight…

I would love to see a post of liberal meltdown with video’s :-)

antisocial on October 4, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Obama’s policies are failures and his politicking is based exclusively on deceit.

That’s a tough to defend in a face to face debate.

forest on October 4, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Obama was ENGULFED by hubris.

He is an effete dilettante, and the revelation of his nature was made apparent to all and sundry in that miserable debate performance sans teleprompter or written script.

“Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.” Proverbs 16:18

I offer up this quote as proof that this information has been around a very long, long, time. Something that people have recognized and remarked upon in a cautionary way since ancient times.

thatsafactjack on October 4, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Little Bammy is going to come out swinging in the next debate and is sure to stink the place up with his desperation within the first five minutes.

Kataklysmic on October 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Heh. I wonder if he’ll get Naomi Wolf to do the AL Gore “Alpha Male” treatement on him and dress him in a brown suit for the next one.

BacaDog on October 4, 2012 at 2:57 PM

As Obama’s true persona gets revealed during these debates, I’m anticipating a Presidential Temper Tantrum.

kingsjester on October 4, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Maybe bammie should have used a human being as a stand-in for Romney during debate prep.

A semi-lifelike windsurfing android probably wasn’t the way to go.

Tim_CA on October 4, 2012 at 2:58 PM

That’s an understatement! The Arrogant azz, occupying the White House, is so full of himself, he never saw the beating he took last night coming. This is what happens when Great arrogance combines with Ignorance and the friendly confines of the leftist echo chamber!
Final Update for those following:How to take on the Obama Enemy media: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on October 4, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Yes, hubris caught up with, lapped and left him in the dirt I’d say.

DanMan on October 4, 2012 at 2:58 PM

BacaDog on October 4, 2012 at 2:57 PM

I was thinking he may wear a brown suit, too. But, for a different reason.

kingsjester on October 4, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Sneering disdain is all the liberals have.

John the Libertarian on October 4, 2012 at 2:59 PM

…THIS!

the press only wants a substantial conversation when Obama’s guaranteed to win it.

and this!

Hubris? Reality finally caught up with the nakid teenager emperor.

Obama is not smart.

Obama is not a wonderful orator.

Obama has no core and no vision.

He is just what he’s always been, a hoax upon the land and the world.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 2:49 PM

KOOLAID2 on October 4, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Hubris

The hubris on my shoulder,
Tells me I cannot lose.
I must be mighty Caesar,
For whom the gods approve.
My actions must be bolder;
The world to shake and move.
The hubris on my shoulder,
Wears well its fleshy groove!

The circus swirls with faces,
As the minions chant my praise.
My horses kick their traces,
In the golden twilight haze.
An ivy crown rests on my head,
A slave is at my ear.
With his whispered words:
‘You’re not a god’,
For only me to hear.

The hubris on my shoulder,
Takes a different tack;
Mistakes are made by lesser beings,
Wherein all greatness lacks.
The hubris on my shoulder,
Decries such desperate acts,
For the genius of the soldier,
Who confronts objective facts.

The hubris on my shoulder,
Marks empires lost and won.
Both as witness and beholder,
Of the damage men have done.
My hubris, like a spider,
Whose silky web is spun,
In the rubric of religion,
Where the cult of fear begun.

With hubris on my shoulder,
I can do just what I choose!
I’m like that Roman geezer,
For whom the gods have use.
The hubris on my shoulder,
Would coil it’s ancient noose;
A lethal flaw, much older,
In the blood flow and the juice!

The hubris on my shoulder,
Is an eagle, not a dove.
And I, the stellar actor,
In the play of fates above!
Revenge is served best colder,
By the jealous eye of love.
And the hubris on my shoulder,
Still fits me like a glove!

David SmithWhite

redguy on October 4, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Next time Barry will come out shadow boxing with flop sweat on his upper lip. And Soetoro will fail again – epically.

BHO Jonestown on October 4, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Obama didn’t want to get into Social Security, because last week David Axelrod on Joe Scarborough show lit into Mark Halperin and said it wasn’t time to craft a plan to reform Social Security. It’s not time!

And, here’s the reason for the Obama meltdown: It’s Obama’s visceral fear of Romney.

First though: Last night we got a glimpse of the real Obama, the ultra-cool, BMOC [old fashioned but useful for image] whose ego is only exceeded by his inner self-loathing.

Obama mocked the debate saying:

“Debate prep is such a drag.”

Barack Obama is a lazy, spoiled, arrogant dilettante. And, inside he knows it. I am willing to bet he didn’t have ONE face to face with John Kerry in preparation for this debate. He dreaded it, so he avoided it.

Why? Because Obama fears Romney. He loathes him because he fears him. He fears him because he knows, viscerally, that Romney has strength of character, and he knows, too, that Romney has experience and is accomplished. Inside that big head, Obama knows he’s a fraud. And, he knows Mitt Romney isn’t.

Believe me. This is precisely what is happening. Romney is inside Obama’s head. It’s so clear. The fear emanating from Obama last night was palpable. He’s used to being able to mask his fear with bravado; but he couldn’t get past the fear last night.

mountainaires on October 4, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Also, Obama is not nice.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 3:01 PM

So used to debating straw men, the Hollow Man had no resources for dealing with a man on fire.

The enemedia have gone today about The Won seeming “reluctant to be there,” “not engaged.” Like the empty chair, he was The Man Who Wasn’t There. Empty and soulless.

The world stands out on either side
No wider than the heart is wide;
Above the world is stretched the sky,–
No higher than the soul is high.
The heart can push the sea and land
Farther away on either hand;
The soul can split the sky in two,
And let the face of God shine through.
But East and West will pinch the heart
That can not keep them pushed apart;
And he whose soul is flat—the sky
Will cave in on him by and by.

—Edna St. Vincent Millay, “Renascence”

de rigueur on October 4, 2012 at 3:01 PM

This is wonderfully schadenfreudig. I submitted it bef. but it’s caught in the mill.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 3:02 PM

*************** ALERT **********************

Ann Romney to fill in for Robin Roberts on ‘Good Morning America’; ABC in talks with Michelle Obama – @THR

4 mins ago from http://www.hollywoodreporter.com by editor

Ann Romney to Fill In for Robin Roberts on ‘Good Morning America’ (Exclusive)
11:31 AM PDT 10/4/2012
***********************

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ann-romney-gma-robin-roberts-368073

canopfor on October 4, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Awesome, Redguy!

mountainaires on October 4, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Obama should have asked his loyal fan Eva Longoria to undress and stand for Romney during debate prep. Nothing screams “liar” like not keeping one’s eyes on the debate opponent.

PS: Patent pending.

Archivarix on October 4, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Also, Obama is not nice a narcissistic, petulant little d!ck.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 3:01 PM

sorry…I’m a tad over-caffeinated this morning.

Tim_CA on October 4, 2012 at 3:04 PM

I thought only Sarah Palin was guilty of hubris…

affenhauer on October 4, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Far too seldom do I get to enjoy politics. This is just plain ole good clean fun! Lol! 0 is Done!

Bmore on October 4, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Rush talked about (I’m paraphrasing) the fact that Obama couldn’t win because he cannot stand there and press his true agenda for a new term: full blown socialism – because the audience would find his real plan repellent.

It was apparent when Lehrer asked the question about what does government mean to you – and Romney pointed out the Constitution – Obama said “hiring teachers” or something equally disjointed and telling.

tru2tx on October 4, 2012 at 3:06 PM

canopfor on October 4, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Ann is light years ahead of mo on smarts, IMO! This should be good!
L

letget on October 4, 2012 at 3:06 PM

FNC and CNN crush MSNBC in debate ratings

Lot of conservatives and independents saw that drubbing last night. Seems the Left might be a bit dispirited…

JohnGalt23 on October 4, 2012 at 3:07 PM

I think there was something else at work there.

It was his narcissism.

Obama craves adulation and cheers from adoring crowds. It’s the only time he looks like he is interested in anything. He delivered a flat and lifless DNC convention speech because it was moved from the stadium and he had written it for big applause by 80,000 people. It didn’t work in an arena. The place was too small for his outsized ego and he was irked.

Last night there was no applause allowed, no derisive cheers when he tried to poke and snark at Romney. Even his opening kiss to Michelle seemed flat and forced because there was no applause. It threw him off. Romney’s refusal to accept his lies and stramwen just got him more agitated. His voice rose frequently to a near-falsetto, a sure sign of anger.

Mitt Romney is the opposite. Big crowds seem to throw him off. He is obviously more comfortable in a boardroom or Cabinet meeting where he isn’t trying to give a “performance,” just state the facts and make a sale or get a consensus for a decision. Last night it was like he was dressing down an underperforming junior executive. He relished the format and it worked for him.

rockmom on October 4, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Obama reminded me of a wide receiver who’s been hit hard on a couple of attempted catches, and starts hearing footsteps every time he runs a route.

What a great analogy!

RRFCL on October 4, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Perhaps Obama knows that once a certain event occurs he’ll still be President for the next 4+ years anyway? I mean, he could assassinate Romney if he wanted too. Send a drone over to him, label him a terrorist and then claim the evidence is “classified”. Although I doubt that. But what I don’t doubt is that Obama was finally smacked down last night. While that might feel good, Romney still offers no real solutions to what ails us and the economy.

fatlibertarianinokc on October 4, 2012 at 3:09 PM

I still think Lehrer was trying to help Obama and Obama still couldn’t close the deal.

But how ’bout those FOX News ratings for the debate?

stukinIL4now on October 4, 2012 at 3:10 PM

OK I’ll put this out there.

Thinking of the mental condition and or link to the why the msm, libleral Democrats, this B. Obama cult leader etal have in common with others of late.

Michael Mann, Phil Jones, all the Al Gores and the ones on the climate change/global warming scam to find a way to rule over U.S. via that fraud together with the grants and millions of $ that went with the fraud.

Clear it is they only communicate with one another.

Clear it is the same conditions were going on with the ‘hockey stick trick cult” too.

To many main frames to hack into, to many e-mails to review, just to much data.

But, the stuff to make this pie do not need to be known total.

We see the same results on our dinner tables.

Lie Pie taste the same.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 4, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Reality:

Hubris is the Kryptonite that destroys Affirmative Action Heroes.

wren on October 4, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Give credit where it’s due. Romney caught up with Team Obama.

J.E. Dyer on October 4, 2012 at 3:12 PM

No, reality did.

RedNewEnglander on October 4, 2012 at 3:13 PM

An unprepared neophyte is what the Cattle get, when the Cattle vote for the poster child of Affirmative Action.

The results of this debate were a foregone conclusion.

The dramedy simply had to be played-out.

OhEssYouCowboys on October 4, 2012 at 3:14 PM

I thought the debate format was excellent because there was no noise and Jim Lehrer simply threw out topics and let the candidates go at it. Jim Lehrer did not inject himself into the debate by trying to ask the gotcha question. As a result, we had a debate that was kinda wonky on policy.

If anything, this debate showed that the GOP has nominated, for the first time since Reagan, someone who can articulate very complicated thoughts in a concise and effective way.

Romney did this back in 2002 when he came from behind to beat Shannon O’Brien. He will only get tougher.

I suspect that Obama will improve, but he will not outshine Romeny in any debates.

RedSoxNation on October 4, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Barry is just bad. Over rated and over hyped.

albill on October 4, 2012 at 3:15 PM

“Also, Obama is not nice.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 3:01 PM”

Don’t know if you’re being serious, but I’ve heard that statement is actually very true.

Biden, on the other hand, is supposed to be a great guy…the old school, back-slapping kind of politician. IMO, he would have been a much better President than Obama.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Did hubris catch up with Team Obama?

Maybe, but the wood chipper certainly did.

TXUS on October 4, 2012 at 3:16 PM

canopfor on October 4, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Ann is light years ahead of mo on smarts, IMO! This should be good!
L

letget on October 4, 2012 at 3:06 PM

letget:True that,haha!:)

canopfor on October 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM

He sounded unprepared, pulling the same lines from his stump speeches again and again. He reached for straw men Mitt Romney had already dismantled.

you’re right. These were retreaded, recycled, tired arguments that Mitt sliced and diced right through. Obama sounded like a broken record with his “5 trillion” tripe that he rehashed no less than 3 times.

Obama has won every debate he sets up against strawmen. Strawmen are great for winning an argument, but they don’t talk back. Mitt did and he mopped the floor with Obama’s ineptitude. The NYT called BHO President X*an*ax, because he looked so tired and loopy.

ted c on October 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM

“Romney did this back in 2002 when he came from behind to beat Shannon O’Brien. He will only get tougher.”

He still has to run a good campaign, folks. Getting severely outspent on the airwaves is not a winning strategy.

But none of this matters if there is a strong (over 100,000) jobs report out tomorrow.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM

JohnGalt23 on October 4, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Do these numbers count all the blogs that were having the debate on them with live stream? I don’t know how that works, do the blogs get their views from, say a Fox for the total numbers?
L

letget on October 4, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Inside the White House, Romney was such an object of ridicule that it was hard to take him seriously,

The White House fools obviously don’t read Sun Tzu, they’re too busy reading and manipulating their own press. They underestimated Romney, held him in contempt and with no respect whatsoever. That is a horrible way to fight. If you respect your enemy, you will train to beat him. Team Obama’s failure was to underestimate Romney and they just merely ended up beating themselves.

ted c on October 4, 2012 at 3:20 PM

But none of this matters if there is a strong (over 100,000) jobs report out tomorrow.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM

right/

gracie on October 4, 2012 at 3:20 PM

How are those early voters feeling now …
Should have waited….. heh

cmsinaz on October 4, 2012 at 3:20 PM

But none of this matters if there is a strong (over 100,000) jobs report out tomorrow.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Lol. Yeah, undecided swing state voters are going to ignore their lying eyes and jump on the Barry bandwagon over tomorrow’s jobs report. Go with that.

Kataklysmic on October 4, 2012 at 3:22 PM

One thing Mitt does well is that he demonstrates humility. The effect upon Team O is that they become haughty. That is exactly what happened here. They perceived Mitt’s humility as weakness, and they subsequently failed to prepare their candidate.

It beat them. MKH’s analysis is spot on. Once Obama realized that Mitt came to look him in the eye and call him a liar, he became very afraid of him.…and it showed.

ted c on October 4, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Barack Obama is a lazy, spoiled, arrogant dilettante.
mountainaires on October 4, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Hey, Wait a minute. You are giving us lazy, spoiled, arrogant dilettantes a bad name by lumping this punk in with the rest of us.

I demand an apology.

LegendHasIt on October 4, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Whatever the numbers, it did feel rough-and-tumble while remaining civil and substantive, and that’s what I appreciated about it.

I did too. I thought the format was great. They spoke about important issues and Jim Lehrer was just Chip Diller standing in the way….

ted c on October 4, 2012 at 3:24 PM

How are those early voters feeling now …
Should have waited….. heh

cmsinaz on October 4, 2012 at 3:20 PM

The pissants who voted for The Commie didn’t give a flying rat’s ass about any debate.

Never forget who the majority of them are:

Keep Obama in President

OhEssYouCowboys on October 4, 2012 at 3:25 PM

He meandered and stuttered in lengthy answers the media is generous in calling “professorial.”

he impolitely and specifically stole 5 seconds that he thought he had and wrung it into another 90 sec answer….

ted c on October 4, 2012 at 3:26 PM

This just in: “Due to the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi, President Obama has decided it would be in poor taste to hold anymore debates. We should be working hard to unite the country, not divide.” “The first thing I do when I wake up in the morning is to think of ways that I can help unite the USA” said the smartest man in the room.

Ed Schultz: “Too bad because Obama really had Mitt on the ropes and would have destroyed him in the next debate!!”

Deano1952 on October 4, 2012 at 3:26 PM

JohnGalt23 on October 4, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Not only did MSNBC get beaten in the ratings but it’s a lead pipe cinch that the biggest part of those who did watch them were conservatives looking for comic relief.

Cindy Munford on October 4, 2012 at 3:27 PM

those who face the unprepared with preparation are victorious.
—Sun Tzu

ted c on October 4, 2012 at 3:29 PM

He is just what he’s always been, a hoax pox upon the land and the world.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 2:49 PM

FIFY

dominigan on October 4, 2012 at 3:31 PM

It is said that if you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; however if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.
–Sun Tzu

ted c on October 4, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Mary Katherine, I loved the football reference. I think you are right. Obama was tired of getting beaten by Romney, so he decided to ask for mercy by being nice and agreeing with him on Social Security.

strickler on October 4, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Did hubris catch up with Team Obama?

No, if we’re going to go Greek here, Nemesis in the one who wreaks retribution and punishment on hubris.

She’s been waiting in the wings for a long time for Obama.

INC on October 4, 2012 at 3:32 PM

But none of this matters if there is a strong (over 100,000) jobs report out tomorrow.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM

That w/b a modified figure, to be updated later. If the number is below 8% it’s made up.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 3:32 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Aren’t you setting the bar awfully low? We need 350,000 every month for three years to get back to those terrible Bush era days.

Cindy Munford on October 4, 2012 at 3:33 PM

He is just what he’s always been, a hoax pox upon the land and the world.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 2:49 PM

FIFY

dominigan on October 4, 2012 at 3:31 PM

He is a hoax and a pox upon the land and and the world.

Fifm

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Obama is not smart.

Obama is not a wonderful orator.

Obama has no core and no vision.

He is just what he’s always been, a hoax upon the land and the world.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Pretty much sums it up in four short sentences…

climbnjump on October 4, 2012 at 3:34 PM

“Effete Dilettante.”

Perfect.

LASue on October 4, 2012 at 3:35 PM

If Romney continues to blame Obama for the last 4 years in the next debate, do you think Obama will bow down and apologize?

After the capitulation on social security, it wouldn’t surprise me.

strickler on October 4, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Pretty much sums it up in four short sentences…

climbnjump on October 4, 2012 at 3:34 PM

I had forgotten another one -

Obama is not nice.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 3:36 PM

And just like that, Gallup has Zero’s approval up FOUR to 54% and unemployment DOWN to 7.9% for September. Do they think people are going to believe that shit?!

Rational Thought on October 4, 2012 at 3:37 PM

“Aren’t you setting the bar awfully low? We need 350,000 every month for three years to get back to those terrible Bush era days.

Cindy Munford on October 4, 2012 at 3:33 PM”

Yeah, the bar is set low because of all the low-information voters out there. The last jobs report was under that mark and a survey showed people evenly split between whether it was good news or bad news.

And with Consumer Confidence surging, something needs to shock people back to reality with regards to how the economy is really doing.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 3:40 PM

paratisi on October 4, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Absolutely EXCELLENT blog article! Thank you for taking the time to write that, and you are correct… every Republican candidate needs to read it!

dominigan on October 4, 2012 at 3:40 PM

He is a hoax and a pox upon the land and and the world.

Fifm

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 3:34 PM

LOL! So true, so true…

dominigan on October 4, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Obama was just a guy who had the ability to sound cool the first time you meet him. It’s easy to get a good first impression from the guy, I mean, I admit I thought he was semi-likeable and competent sounding in 2004 at the DNC convention. Boy how wrong was I? He’s just like that friend that many of us, including MKH, probably have who schmoozes up to the ladies in the bar, they like him, but the real story is that he’s a snake. That’s obama, essentially.

ted c on October 4, 2012 at 3:42 PM

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Aren’t you setting the bar awfully low? We need 350,000 every month for three years to get back to those terrible Bush era days.

Cindy Munford on October 4, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Every Damn thread this rubbery ball of sh*t and
his Pony Pal Pokey appear….almost like a plague or
something…..

ToddPA on October 4, 2012 at 3:43 PM

“And just like that, Gallup has Zero’s approval up FOUR to 54% and unemployment DOWN to 7.9% for September. Do they think people are going to believe that shit?!

Rational Thought on October 4, 2012 at 3:37 PM”

If unemployment goes below 8%, Obama is home free in his re-election.

gumbyandpokey on October 4, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Comment pages: 1 2 3