58 million viewers: Debate ratings top first debate from 2008; Update: Revised upwards to 67.2 million; Update: 70 million?

posted at 4:41 pm on October 4, 2012 by Allahpundit

The last time a beating this brutal drew a wider audience was Ali-Foreman, I believe.

More than 58 million people watched the first Presidential debate last night between President Obama and Mitt Romney, up substantially from the first debate in the 2008 election cycle, which had 52.4 million viewers.

Fox News was the most-watched cable news network during the debate, and will likely be the most-watched network on TV, though final broadcast numbers will not be released until after 4 PM.

The second Obama/McCain debate in 2008 drew 63.2 million but those ratings were goosed by off-the-charts public interest in Palin’s VP debate held five days earlier. Ryan/Biden won’t build the same degree of curiosity for Romney/Obama II, but the fact that Romney destroyed The One yesterday might. Casual voters who passed on last night’s show will see the headlines today and wonder if Romney can do it again; pair that with the fact that the next debate is a townhall format, which adds a bit of unpredictability, and you might see huge ratings on October 16. Then again, the first debate is usually (but not always) the highest-rated of the three, probably because of the novelty of seeing the combatants finally together on stage and dueling. That being so, if there’s any debate to which you want to bring your A-game, it’s the first — which is why desperate rationalizations like this are even dumber and lamer than they appear:

I promised you the Luntz focus-group video in last night’s thread but it wasn’t posted until late, so here it is at last. (MSNBC’s focus group also agreed that Romney won.) Can’t wait to see which new persona O rolls out 12 days from now to overcompensate for last night’s deficiencies. If you disliked him as the passive, lethargic incumbent forced to defend a failed presidency, you’ll loathe the angry, table-pounding class warrior who wants to know Mitt Romney’s annual effective tax rates since 1970 and wants to know them now, mister.


Update: I take it back. I should have said that a beating this brutal hasn’t been seen by so many people since Frazier-Ali I:

I forgot how dramatically the ratings can inflate after the preliminary assessments. With the new numbers, it turns out Romney/Obama drew nearly as many viewers as the Palin/Biden VP blowout in 2008. Bad, bad, bad timing for The One to perform so terribly.

Update: A fair point by the NYT:


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Xerxes bled.

Greek Fire on October 4, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Ryan/Biden won’t build the same degree of curiosity for Romney/Obama II, but the fact that Romney destroyed The One yesterday might.

AP, I don’t agree with you about the Ryan/Biden debate not buidling the “same degree of curiosity.” I think the commenter above who talked about the fact that people like to see disasters in progress was right on the money. Ever since Ryan was named as VP candidate, everyone I know–including libs–has been looking forward to the VP debate.

Naturally, Ryan will decimate Biden, but the choice bits that unintentionally come out of Biden’s mouth will also be hugely entertaining and I think people know that. It’s going to be like a comedy and a tragedy all rolled into one. I suspect the ratings will be huge, and I think between that and the Trouncing of last night, people will grow even more curious to see if O will have a repeat empty chair/empty suit moment at the next Pres. debate.

pianomomma on October 4, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Obama was used to just softballs, tonguebaths, and the squishiness of the View’s couch. Hard to do debate prep with those methods.

ted c on October 4, 2012 at 4:57 PM

You forgot Chrissy Mathew’s talented knob polishing…

… but you are forgiven.

Seven Percent Solution on October 4, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Clint Eastwood is chuckling in his rocking chair.

CW on October 4, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Mitt was the brilliant one last night trapping the libs with their pet issues: education, health care and green energy. The Lurker didn’t stand a chance.

HellCat on October 4, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Some people suggest that Obama is luring Romney like the Russians lured Napoleon, getting him in too deep and out of his element. Maybe…

LOL Yeah….I’m thinking no.

rollthedice on October 4, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Some people suggest that Obama is luring Romney like the Russians lured Napoleon, getting him in too deep and out of his element. Maybe…

LOL Yeah….I’m thinking no.

rollthedice on October 4, 2012 at 5:48 PM

I’m thinking, yeah that’s what the German’s thought.

Lily on October 4, 2012 at 5:51 PM

so let me get the left straight, Obama lost on purpose to gin up base support? Good grief these people need medication!

rob verdi

Sounds like those on our side who say Obama has to win again so conservatives will REALLY be motivated in 2016.

Do you remember how we lamented during the Spring primary season about how a prolonged primary would hurt our candidate? Well? Did it?

ted c

Yes, to a degree, it did. There’s more to a campaign than one good debate. The time and money wasted on the prolonged primary season was time and money he couldn’t spend on Obama. Sure, the debates helped prepare him for this one. But was he really more prepared after 19 debates than he would have been after, oh, I don’t know, 12 debates? Probably not.

Meanwhile, Obama was able to run months of unopposed ads against Romney because Romney was forced to spend all his primary money on the primary to hold off Newt and Rick. That has hurt him, no question about it. Only time will tell how much.

xblade on October 4, 2012 at 5:57 PM

This is the funniest part of last night.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Sounds like those on our side who say Obama has to win again so conservatives will REALLY be motivated in 2016.

More like so the progressive (r) rejects who think you can support two ideologies and be successful become demoralized and ostracized as they really should be.

astonerii on October 4, 2012 at 6:01 PM

so let me get the left straight, Obama lost on purpose to gin up base support? Good grief these people need medication!

rob verdi on October 4, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Is there enough of a pity f7ck demographic out there?

kim roy on October 4, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Clint Eastwood is chuckling in his rocking chair.

CW on October 4, 2012 at 5:44 PM

More likely, chuckling in his director’s chair.

AZCoyote on October 4, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Charles M. Blow ✔@CharlesMBlow Some people suggest that Obama is luring Romney like the Russians lured Napoleon, getting him in too deep and out of his element. Maybe…

…yeah right!…reverse that!…Blow M. Charles!

KOOLAID2 on October 4, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Some people suggest that Obama is luring Romney like the Russians lured Napoleon, getting him in too deep and out of his element. Maybe…

More like how Napoleon lured Wellington too deep into Waterloo.

Johnny 100 Pesos on October 4, 2012 at 6:09 PM

…yeah right!…reverse that!…Blow M. Charles!

KOOLAID2 on October 4, 2012 at 6:05 PM

His high school days must have been sheer hell.

slickwillie2001 on October 4, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Some people suggest that Obama is luring Romney like the Russians lured Napoleon, getting him in too deep and out of his element. Maybe…

— Charles M. Blow (@CharlesMBlow) October 4, 2012

Right, look like an uninformed, out-of-ideas doofus in the first debate so that you can crush your opponent with your brilliance in the second debate. Makes perfect sense.

STL_Vet on October 4, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Xerxes bled.

Greek Fire on October 4, 2012 at 5:36 PM

I knew Xerxes*. 0bama is no Xerxes.
.
.
.

*-actually I only know who Xerxes was. Sheesh, I ain’t that old.

cozmo on October 4, 2012 at 6:31 PM

67.2 million people – what a time to have the best performance of your life Mitt.

gophergirl on October 4, 2012 at 6:33 PM

By the way, and please pass this on to Rush as a heads up. The reason the Obama team did not bring up the 47% comments and maybe even Bain is because they will let a plant or two in the next townhall debate do it. Some guy in a pony tail will ask Romney why he hates poor people. In other words, they will let the American public do their dirty work for them. Excellent plan.

Robb on October 4, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Greek Fire on October 4, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Xerxes? Well, Mitt is going to be Darius.

IlikedAUH2O on October 4, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Bad, bad, bad timing for The One to perform so terribly.

Yesterday, 68 million Americans found out that Clint Eastwood was so right

burrata on October 4, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Nielsen: An estimated 67.2 million people watched the debate.

Best night we’ve had in a long time.

Don’t think this won’t ripple downballot, either. The Obama Shield just shattered.

KingGold on October 4, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Complete annihilation and global humiliation. Outstanding.

Philly on October 4, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Estimated 67.2 million people watched the 1st presidential debate on Wednesday, according to @NielsenWire

4 mins ago from blog.nielsen.com by editor
==============================================

First Presidential Debate Draws 67.2 million Viewers
October 4, 2012

An estimated 67.2 million people watched Democratic incumbent President Barack Obama debate Republican challenger Gov. Mitt Romney in the first presidential debate on Wednesday, October 3.

The debate was carried live from the University of Denver in Colorado across 11 networks and was moderated by Jim Lehrer, host of NewsHour on PBS.

While coverage varied by network, 11 networks aired live coverage from approximately 9:00 PM to 10:30 PM while Telemundo aired coverage on tape delay. The chart below highlights the sum of the average audience for these networks.

Viewership to last night’s debate was up 28 percent compared to the first presidential debate in 2008 between then Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. John McCain.
============================

2012 Presidential Debates
Sum of Networks Live + Same Day
Oct 3 2012

http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/media_entertainment/first-presidential-debate-draws-67-2-million-viewers/

canopfor on October 4, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Greek Fire on October 4, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Could Mitt be Daniel? He knew one Darius and one saved the Jews.

I now someone who named their car Darius.

IlikedAUH2O on October 4, 2012 at 6:40 PM

That is Daniel from the Bible. He had a situation like Mitt will face next week.

IlikedAUH2O on October 4, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Got an email. Ok, Mitt has the Town hall weeks from now.

IlikedAUH2O on October 4, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Congratulations Mr. President you not only made a terrific faux pas last night but it was in front what could be a third of the country, followed closely by the rest of the nation being informed of your tragic circumstances by about coffee break time today.

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy. Bless your heart.

Speakup on October 4, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Note to Mitt:

If you get a pony tailed guy who looks like a retread from 1992, walk over and punch him in the face.

lorien1973 on October 4, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Actually, I think the important thing to remember is that Joe Biden was chosen as running mate because he brought gravitas to the ticket.

Lily on October 4, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Never gets old.

tom on October 4, 2012 at 6:48 PM

New video out where Obama says if you’re successful, it’s because you got lucky or because women were forced to wash your clothes while you were out getting rich.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obama-mocked-financial-success-as-blind-luck/

xblade on October 4, 2012 at 6:50 PM

The importance of the viewership is off the charts.

We needed Mitt to do well, and he gave arguably the greatest Presidential Debate performance since the advent of the TV Presidential Debates.

Paul Ryans speech at the convention was very powerful but nowhere near enough people watched it. Romney delivering the beatdown he did with viewership that high, is a game changer IMO.

Ca97 on October 4, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Right, look like an uninformed, out-of-ideas doofus in the first debate so that you can crush your opponent with your brilliance in the second debate. Makes perfect sense.

STL_Vet on October 4, 2012 at 6:31 PM

LOL. Yep, the left’s rationalizations about why Barky lost are so sad, they’re almost funny: It was part of some brilliant strategy that you small-brained types could not possibly comprehend!

In elite, high-priced law schools such as Harvard they teach students the principle of primacy and recency. Essentially it means that most people remember best the first thing you say, and the last thing you say. They tend to forget the stuff in the middle. That’s why trial lawyers are taught to put their most important points in the very first part, and the very last part, of their arguments.

You’d think a brilliant Harvard Law graduate (did he mention he was president of the Law Review?) and former Constitutional Law Professor would know that. But perhaps Barky was absent the day they taught that, or maybe he was down in the faculty lounge, snorting a few lines of blow with Larry Tribe while they discussed the brilliance of Das Kapital.

AZCoyote on October 4, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Are you ready for the left to get really desperate? It’s about to get nasty.

tom on October 4, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Bad, bad, bad timing for The One to perform so terribly.

and by “bad” you mean “good” ….

ted c on October 4, 2012 at 6:51 PM

I was completely stunned by how well Romney did last night…still am. I expected the biggest of chocolate bunny meltdowns and utter collapse of Romney’s campaign.

But now I’m completely blown away by these ratings.

newtopia on October 4, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Michelle forbade Reggie Love entry to the WH for the next 3 1/2 months.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 4:54 PM

What in that link infers that of which you speak?

preallocated on October 4, 2012 at 6:54 PM

I’d forgotten just how many people tuned into watch Palin pound away on Biden 4 years ago. The woman was/is a singular phenomenon.

Romney was clutch last night, and it’s great so many people got to see it.

Robert_Paulson on October 4, 2012 at 6:57 PM

BTW, I really liked the debate format, more freewheeling and spontaneous than others in the past. Glad to see a lot of people saw Mitt do well…..against the empty chair.

ted c on October 4, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Bad, bad, bad timing for The One to perform so terribly.

Obama has been performing terribly since Jan. 20th 2009…..
He has had the cover of the lame stream media all these years….
Time to get between Obama has his media sycophants.

redguy on October 4, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Mitt is peaking.

Obama is deconstructing.

Lots of people saw that and that is really, really good.

ted c on October 4, 2012 at 7:00 PM

I wonder if Michelle got some on her anniversary.

Oil Can on October 4, 2012 at 7:00 PM

And a very good night for MSNBC. 30 million people tuned in to see which one of the talking heads would have an on-air nervous breakdown.

salem on October 4, 2012 at 7:01 PM

New video out where Obama says if you’re successful, it’s because you got lucky or because women were forced to wash your clothes while you were out getting rich.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obama-mocked-financial-success-as-blind-luck/

xblade on October 4, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Wow, and I mean, Wow!

Here’s the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kavdejg8dhg&feature=plcp

preallocated on October 4, 2012 at 7:02 PM

I was completely stunned by how well Romney did last night…still am. I expected the biggest of chocolate bunny meltdowns and utter collapse of Romney’s campaign.

But now I’m completely blown away by these ratings.

newtopia on October 4, 2012 at 6:52 PM

I expected a tie, not a controlled demolition.

the_nile on October 4, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Blind luck. That’s great. You didn’t build that.

Philly on October 4, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Obama has no solution or substance. Of course they will try to stack the deck with the town hall meeting, but Romney know how to handle that too.

Conservative4ev on October 4, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Chris Christie was right – Wednesday was a game-changer.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Allah, I was at the Thrilla in Manila, so I know Ali-Frazier, and believe me, last night was no Ali-Frazier!

The Thrilla was a much more even match. Even though Ali won, he was taken to the hospital.

I kept sitting, watching, wondering if everybody else was getting it.

You could see this coming…I thought Obama seemed similarly distracted, relative to Romney, in his 60 Minutes Interview. Add in Romney’s artful calling out on Obama’s misrepresentation of Romney plans, and we got a three knockdown TKO.

The Wild Duck

The Wild Duck on October 4, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Charles Blow is an insufferable bore…his writing is vapid and partisan, a qualification for writing at the NYT I suppose. I’ve often wondered how he can support himself, as infrequently as he writes an article and how little substance is in them when he does. I guess he thinks his tweets are clever though!

scalleywag on October 4, 2012 at 7:06 PM

I couldn’t be happier today. This is 6 months of a flawed and garbage strategy blowing up on Obama/Axelrod.

I can see it now: “Who would have thought that one of the most successful businessmen of the last 30 years was smart?! You mean he’s not a bumbling fool?!”

RepublicanInMA on October 4, 2012 at 7:09 PM

67 million people saw Obama get his ass handed to him. Who says there isn’t justice in the world?

thatsafactjack on October 4, 2012 at 7:10 PM

It seems like everything that should be game changing never turns out that way…but it’s hard to see how this doesn’t move some numbers. That debate was so completely one sided, and now we find out that probably around 40% of the electorate was watching? Wow…

LukeinNE on October 4, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Nielsen: An estimated 67.2 million people watched the debate.
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) October 4, 2012

Obama’s “40 million” anniversary math was even more off. Next year he and Chelley will be in HI.

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 7:14 PM

I can’t tell you how discouraging it was to hear the doomsayers within the GOP despair about Romney’s chances over the last few months. Of course things didn’t look so positive there from time to time but maybe now they’ll STFU and start making more supportive remarks.

scalleywag on October 4, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Some people suggest that Obama is luring Romney like the Russians lured Napoleon, getting him in too deep and out of his element. Maybe…

This is the guy you fire first.

Axe on October 4, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Things sure were quiet at the old water cooler at work this morning. :)

scalleywag on October 4, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 7:05 PM

The big man knows of what he speaks…he is clairvoyant..

d1carter on October 4, 2012 at 7:18 PM

I can’t tell you how discouraging it was to hear the doomsayers within the GOP despair about Romney’s chances over the last few months. Of course things didn’t look so positive there from time to time but maybe now they’ll STFU and start making more supportive remarks.

scalleywag on October 4, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Neh, I said he was probably going to win. But after last night, I no longer think he will self destruct as badly as before once in office. He seems to be moving further right than his history demonstrates he would.

That said, I think it is a mistake for Republicans to once again become the defenders of the welfare state. I think it will cause a perpetual progressive slide in the American population.

astonerii on October 4, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Based on yesterday’s post noting that many people are influenced by the post debate commentary, and noting that even most liberal media are calling this for Romney, it seems all good. It’s fantastic that 40% of the electorate-which is the vast majority of those who actually vote- watched Obama’s incompetent performance.

talkingpoints on October 4, 2012 at 7:19 PM

That means people are very very interested.

If about 75% of people are over 18, that means about 233 million people watched, right?

PattyJ on October 4, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Before the debate last night I kept thinking about and asking myself how Dear Leader was going to defend his record…now I know. He’s not. He lied at every opportunity and Mitt calmly and thoroughly called a liar and proved it.

d1carter on October 4, 2012 at 7:22 PM

An estimated 67.2 million people watched the debate.

Huzzah. One of them was me.

Things sure were quiet at the old water cooler at work this morning. :)

scalleywag on October 4, 2012 at 7:16 PM

I floated the idea that Romney is really a MA liberal to my water cooler mopes. Seemed to bring them back from the ledge.

bettycooper on October 4, 2012 at 7:23 PM

He lied at every opportunity and Mitt calmly and thoroughly called a liar and proved it.

d1carter on October 4, 2012 at 7:22 PM

I refuse to click on MSN – what’s the 411 on debate fact checking?

bettycooper on October 4, 2012 at 7:25 PM

I thought BO was great eye-candy.

The Wild Duck on October 4, 2012 at 7:28 PM

My liberal friends on FB were very unhappy last night at how things went. Some were disappointed in Obama. Some were mad at Romney. Some were mad at Lehrer. Some of them had to quit watching.

I think it really sunk in across the country that Obama badly lost the debate. I hope that will have some impact on the thinking of those bandwagon voters who like to back the perceived winner. And lots and lots of people witnessed it. :)

On the other hand, I have one very liberal friend who declared today that she thinks Obama clearly won the debate (because he was so much more presidential and Romney was a bully). I really didn’t know how to respond to that.

I do think Obama will be improved in the second debate. Partly because his debate coaches will fix some of the body langauge mistakes he made (especially the staring at the floor and nodding as Romney speaks – looking like he’s sadly agreeing), and partly because the “town hall” format will play more to Obama’s perceived strength of relating well to average people. (I hope Romney’s people provide good coaching on the subtle differences in style required by the different format.) Also, many media folks will want to keep the horserace going and would love to report on the President’s big “comeback.”

acasilaco on October 4, 2012 at 7:28 PM

astonerii on October 4, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Whaaa?

avagreen on October 4, 2012 at 7:29 PM

You know what part of the president’s problem was? There was no audience in front of him. No adoring fans. No one to care if he swaggered or strutted up the stage stairs. There were no cheers, no one was there waiting to give him a hug, no one he could wink at. He didn’t have to engage anyone but Romney, who he’s shown nothing but contempt for and engaged directly as little as possible. All he could do was smirk and look at the floor. I can’t think of a worse debater.

scalleywag on October 4, 2012 at 7:31 PM

And yet, Obama approval 54% on gallup….what the hell! this doesnt reflect the debate but this covers lybia.

Robb on October 4, 2012 at 7:31 PM

On the other hand, I have one very liberal friend who declared today that she thinks Obama clearly won the debate (because he was so much more presidential and Romney was a bully). I really didn’t know how to respond to that.

Presidential is bowing and kissing the feet of foreign leaders? Because at the debate, that was what he was mostly doing, looking at the ground and begging Leher to save him somehow. That does not show Presidential, it shows wussy. At one point, I think when Romney was using Clinton as a foil, Obama looked like he was about to go chicago style on Romney. Good thing for Obama that Romney talked long enough for him to recompose himself.

astonerii on October 4, 2012 at 7:32 PM

I thought BO was great eye-candy.

The Wild Duck on October 4, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Hahahahaha. I’m sure the ladies at the View would agree.

scalleywag on October 4, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Robb on October 4, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Here are unskewed polls. Remember that Gallup was threatened to be sued by Holder over some polls. The numbers have changed since then……
http://www.unskewedpolls.com/

avagreen on October 4, 2012 at 7:35 PM

600 eleventy gazillion kabillion saw it.
.
Even the vapor beings of the Kloftarb Galaxy thought Obama took the gas pipe.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on October 4, 2012 at 7:42 PM

B.O. got Chic-fil-A’d last night.

Galtian on October 4, 2012 at 7:45 PM

I’m sure the ladies at the View would agree.

scalleywag on October 4, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Did anyone catch that show today ?
They must have been in mourning :O

burrata on October 4, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Update: 70 million?

OUCH…!

Seven Percent Solution on October 4, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Romney needs to keep it up

Conservative4ev on October 4, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Naturally, Ryan will decimate Biden, but the choice bits that unintentionally come out of Biden’s mouth will also be hugely entertaining and I think people know that. It’s going to be like a comedy and a tragedy all rolled into one. I suspect the ratings will be huge, and I think between that and the Trouncing of last night, people will grow even more curious to see if O will have a repeat empty chair/empty suit moment at the next Pres. debate.

pianomomma on October 4, 2012 at 5:37 PM

My fear about the Ryan/Biden debate is that no matter how nice Ryan is to Biden it will seem like the smart bully picking on the mentally challenged kid. Biden has this weird kind of Teflon, no matter how stupid his comment is everyone just feels “well that’s just Joe”.

IowaWoman on October 4, 2012 at 7:51 PM

125,225,901 people voted in the 2008 presidential election. Mitt should have looked good to over half. If there aren’t outrageous amounts of Democrat voter fraud…

talkingpoints on October 4, 2012 at 7:55 PM

I wonder if Michelle got some on her anniversary.

Oil Can on October 4, 2012 at 7:00 PM

No, but I would bet that Obama did, from both Valerie and Moochelle, and it was the some that he wanted LOL!

uncommon sense on October 4, 2012 at 7:56 PM

People tuned in to see who Mitt Romney is, and walked away realizing Barackabama just isn’t.

SouthernGent on October 4, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Pro-Obama Super PAC Pulls Ads From Wisconsin and Florida
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/10/hmm-pro-obama-super-pac-pulls-ads-from-wisconsin-and-florida/#comments

Conservative4ev on October 4, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Some people suggest that Obama is luring Romney like the Russians lured Napoleon, getting him in too deep and out of his element. Maybe…

This is the guy you fire first.

Axe on October 4, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Nah, this is the guy who didn’t realize that the Russians and the Europeans used different calenders LOL! :)

uncommon sense on October 4, 2012 at 7:58 PM

My fear about the Ryan/Biden debate is that no matter how nice Ryan is to Biden it will seem like the smart bully picking on the mentally challenged kid. Biden has this weird kind of Teflon, no matter how stupid his comment is everyone just feels “well that’s just Joe”.

IowaWoman on October 4, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Mostly, Biden just has a habit of making up whatever “facts” he thinks support his argument, and saying them without appearing to lie.

Count to 10 on October 4, 2012 at 7:59 PM

It seems the big takeaway from the debate last night is Big Bird…so help me God, that’s what many of my leftie friends on FB are focusing on…f*cking BIG BIRD! There’s actually a meme, a side by side pic of Obama and bin Laden and Romney and Big Bird, with the caption, “Took out bin Laden Took out Big Bird”…absolutely pathetic that this is what they are forced to focus on…

ellifint on October 4, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Don’t think this won’t ripple downballot, either. The Obama Shield just shattered.

KingGold on October 4, 2012 at 6:36 PM

I’m invoking Ace, or someone at AoSHQ… we enjoy this today.

Tomorrow, we apply the Winston Wolfe rule…

JohnGalt23 on October 4, 2012 at 8:03 PM

I’m invoking Ace, or someone at AoSHQ… we enjoy this today.

Tomorrow, we apply the Winston Wolfe rule…

JohnGalt23 on October 4, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Agreed. But any downballot guy/gal who dropped off your radar just recently is now back on the radar. The better Romney does, the better everyone does.

KingGold on October 4, 2012 at 8:09 PM

What happens if unemployment goes down to 7.9 tomm?

Robb on October 4, 2012 at 8:12 PM

What happens if unemployment goes down to 7.9 tomm?

Robb on October 4, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Don’t think that will happen, unless the labor force participation rate goes down as well. That will just mean more people on foodstamps and more people collecting SSDI.

uncommon sense on October 4, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Update: A fair point by the NYT:
FYI, we’re saying the debate “reached more than 70 million” to account for Web streams and out-of-home TV viewers. nyti.ms/PBJOgB
— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) October 4, 2012

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Schadenfreude on October 4, 2012 at 8:16 PM

I watched the whole thing online, either at YouTube or C-SPAN.

I don’t have access to cable TV anymore, and I feel much more intelligent for it…

JohnGalt23 on October 4, 2012 at 8:19 PM

I don’t know if this is a fact or not.

But my observation so far has been that when Obama is without his teleprompter, he tends to look and sound like a complete moron.

No doubt, the Obama campaign emergency response team will be preparing Obama to bury Romney in the next two debates.

But here’s the propblem for team Obama. Romney knows what he’s talking about and Obama doesn’t.

Obama has not clue what Congress has passed, what was in the bills he signed, what impact they have had/will have on America, or what energy independence actually means. He has no clue that Obamacare has already increased health care insurance by $2,500 according to the government’s own analysis when he promised that it would reduce insurance by $2,500. In other words, that family that voted for him expected their insurance rates to decrease by $2,500 but instead increased by $2,500.

Simultaneously, the average income decreased by $4,500; which means that families are now paying the equivalent of $7,000 more for everything than when Obama took office.

Not only vote in November, but HELP GET OUT THE VOTE in November.

BMF on October 4, 2012 at 8:21 PM

BMF on October 4, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Nah, the bigger factor is that the one has a record… how do you debate fact, you can’t. They can prepare all they want for the next debate, but the one can only say Rmoney has no experience in foreign policy, while Rmoney can point to his record, it still won’t go well. All he can do is become angry, and that won’t look presidential. Don’t be surprised if we don’t have some miraculous problem that the one won’t make the next debate, especially if the middle east ends up in flames.

uncommon sense on October 4, 2012 at 8:25 PM

What happens if unemployment goes down to 7.9 tomm?

Robb on October 4, 2012 at 8:12 PM

That’s still a heckova lot of people out of work. I’d round that to EIGHT and so would most people (not the media, the Obama faithful and mobys.)

Fallon on October 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM

I forgot to mention, that most of the issues that the one is going to lose on were put in place by the democrats, to come due right before the election, such as student loans, the tax increases, and many more. They thought they could control and use these issues to their advantage, but alas, the genie is out of the bottle, they opened a Pandora’s box, and it is coming home to roost in a less than the expected way… the problem with central planning is that the public never does what you anticipated.

uncommon sense on October 4, 2012 at 8:33 PM

That’s still a heckova lot of people out of work. I’d round that to EIGHT and so would most people (not the media, the Obama faithful and mobys.)

Fallon on October 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Its just that some like Hannity have kept pushing that line about the rate being over 8. Sometimes he talks too much.

Robb on October 4, 2012 at 8:38 PM

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