Woodward: Obama planning to cut $250 billion from Medicare over 10 years

posted at 10:41 am on October 3, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Team Obama has attacked Mitt Romney over Medicare cuts even before Romney added Paul Ryan to the ticket, and certainly that’s been a major campaign theme for Democrats ever since.  Romney has responded by pointing out that Obama cut more than $700 billion from Medicare not to strengthen the program, but to expand Medicaid at the expense of senior choice through the Medicare Advantage program.  However, Team Romney might have some additional ammunition after Bob Woodward’s appearance on Morning Joe today.  The long-time political reporter and author claims that Obama has plans to cut more than $250 billion from Medicare in his next term, and has seen the memos detailing those proposals:

Mika Brzezinski says, “Wow,” at the end of audio clip, but it’s Joe Scarborough who goes after Obama for hypocrisy and demagoguery.  Woodward says that “this is beyond politics — it’s mathematics … you have to do something” about Medicare’s unsustainable path.  However, Scarborough wonders how Obama plans to make that happen after attacking Republicans for doing exactly what Woodward says — the math.

For the record, a $250 billion cut over 10 years is a step in the right direction, but it’s still a drop in the bucket when looking at the $100-trillion-plus in unfunded liabilities over the next few decades.  We need more than just a few cuts here and there to restore fiscal stability to Medicare — we need a serious, long-term plan to protect taxpayers from cost expansion in health-services delivery to an aging population.  The only one in this election who has such a plan on the table is Paul Ryan.  He’s been the only mover in DC willing to do the math and to propose an actual solution.  The question becomes whether voters are willing to reward him for doing so, or will choose the demagogues over the solvers.

Update: The White House responded to my post on Twitter:

Be sure to follow the link.  However, Obama and his campaign have attacked Romney and Ryan for proposing any kind of cuts to Medicare, and for offering a “voucher” program for Medicare which in fact uses the very same mechanism as Medicare Advantage, and the same as ObamaCare does on the state level: government-managed exchanges of approved insurance plans.

 


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Mika “Wow” — esh

CoffeeLover on October 3, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Do his debate preparers have someone who watches Morning Joe?

aunursa on October 3, 2012 at 10:45 AM

WOW! Obama is a liar? Who knew?

Tater Salad on October 3, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Wow, it’s as if suddenly the Fifth Column Treasonous Media is trying to convince people that they are still journalists instead of the propagandist artists that they really are.

Obama’s chickens are coming home to roost.

SWalker on October 3, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Sure that whole “cutting Medicare” thing isn’t just a rightwing conspiracy theory, there, Jojo?

KingGold on October 3, 2012 at 10:49 AM

WOW! Obama is a liar? Who knew?

Tater Salad on October 3, 2012 at 10:48 AM

+1

matthew8787 on October 3, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Actually makes Obama a better politician in this respect. The sooner the program fails, the better for the nation. Since it will never be taken down by legislation, implosion is the next best thing.

Making it an insurance premium subsidy the way Ryan plans will not reduce its costs long term, nor its effects on the morals of the nation. Why? Because so long as it exists, people and politicians will refuse to remain with in the budgetary limits. In good times vote in higher subsidies, in bad times argue now is not the time to cut back. Repeat every few years until it is unsustainable again in 3,2,…

astonerii on October 3, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Romney needs to go after Obama in a different, but obvious, direction; he views everything and will say anything through a political lense.

Whether it be Medicare, Libya, the budget, F&F, or just about anything he seems to be unable to tell the truth because it may make for bad politics.

Tater Salad on October 3, 2012 at 10:51 AM

The only one in this election who has such a plan on the table is Paul Ryan. He’s been the only mover in DC willing to do the math and to propose an actual solution.

unfortunately for ryan, others were also willing to do the math.

Paul Ryan Asked for Tax Math, Offers Gibberish

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Sure that whole “cutting Medicare” thing isn’t just a rightwing conspiracy theory, there, Jojo?

KingGold on October 3, 2012 at 10:49 AM

No, no, no get it right it is a VAST right wing conspiracy. HC

chemman on October 3, 2012 at 10:54 AM

I wonder if Joe and Mika will spend the next several weeks discussing how Obama is dishonest? Seemed that the 47% really got them going.

Tater Salad on October 3, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Joe the man with no integrity. He still has refused to correct his moronic show which stated Romney corrected a crowd that was chanting Ryan! Ryan! Ryan!

The truth is they were chanting Romney! Romney and Romney corrected the crowd to chant Romney! Ryan!

Joe is a moron no matter if he brings up something once in a awhile that favors a Republican. A broken clock is right twice a day.

Conservative4Ever on October 3, 2012 at 10:54 AM

It’s why they need a panel of unelected “experts” to determine what medical care the elderly may by law receive.

This goes way, way beyond Medicare; Obama is going to make it illegal to treat people with existing medicines and proven therapies, in an effort to bring class-based cost cuts to medical care.

There is no mystery why the Cleveland Clinic and other great hospital companies has built hospitals overseas and, especially, in the Caribbean. That’s where Americans will have to go for treatment.

MTF on October 3, 2012 at 10:54 AM

The question becomes whether voters are willing to reward him for doing so, or will choose the demagogues over the solvers.

This is precisely why I’m still concerned (yes, concerned) about this election.

Romney proved he is willing and ready to have a tough conversation about our entitlement population and unfunded liabilities by tapping Ryan as VP.

Ryan has proven he is willing and ready to have the exact same conversation by doing the math, and writing a plan.

I don’t believe the American people are ready to have that conversation. Every (rational) person in America recognizes the SMOD-type economic doom that is approaching. Those same people agree that cuts need to be made. The problem is that they don’t want their programs cut.

I am guilty of this as well. I’ve paid into Social Security for half of my life, but I’m only 32. I’ll never see a dime, nor will I get my ‘investment’ back.

I served on active duty, and used the GI Bill to help pay for my last year of college. I’d like to use it to help with grad school as well.

I – as a rational member of society – recognize that, because of what has been happening to our budget over the last 50 years or so, that I simply can not receive the returns I was promised. I want spending cut. Lot of it. I’ll miss my ‘benefits’ and I’ll envy those who got theirs ten years ago, but I would rather keep my country solvent than enjoy any amount of money while it burns.

I’m not sure how many people look at it like that.

Here ends the rant.

Washington Nearsider on October 3, 2012 at 10:54 AM

What is Woodward’s problem? He’s usually such a reliable stooge for the Dems. I just don’t get it.

rogaineguy on October 3, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Mika “Wow” – I am rich and don’t have to worry about MediCare,,,,

You guys in the over 50 crowd are screwed……

redguy on October 3, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Democrats prefer to crash the entire economy over relinquishing their control over us.

Millions of independent Americans could save the federal government, aka taxpayers, hundreds of billions in unfunded liabilities if we were allowed to opt out of Social Security and Medicare and allowed to keep our own money to plan for our own lives without government meddling and control.

But the socialists refuse to allow us actual freedom.

Charlemagne on October 3, 2012 at 10:55 AM

What is Woodward’s problem? He’s usually such a reliable stooge for the Dems. I just don’t get it.

rogaineguy on October 3, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Heh, he is not an idiot – he see’s Hollywood Gold at the end of the Obama era……

redguy on October 3, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Romney should use the tag line “honesty” from now on in his advertisements. It seems to be a clear distinction between he and the president.

Tater Salad on October 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Death Panels.

portlandon on October 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM

But the socialists refuse to allow us actual freedom.

Charlemagne on October 3, 2012 at 10:55 AM

OK, so what are you going to do????

redguy on October 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM

So $18,000 in free birth control isn’t free?

gwelf on October 3, 2012 at 10:58 AM

unfortunately for ryan, others were also willing to do the math.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Quoting NY Mag as a credible source of math? Why not to ask Madonna’s opinion on who offers better political platform? Oh, wait…

Archivarix on October 3, 2012 at 11:01 AM

unfortunately for ryan, others were also willing to do the math.

Paul Ryan Asked for Tax Math, Offers Gibberish

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Oh noos, Jonathan Chait repeats liberal talking points and lies about Ryan!

gwelf on October 3, 2012 at 11:01 AM

unfortunately for ryan, others were also willing to do the math.

Paul Ryan Asked for Tax Math, Offers Gibberish

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Not sure you care about accuracy, but here is the explanation.

SAZMD on October 3, 2012 at 11:02 AM

WOW! Obama is a liar? Who knew?

Tater Salad on October 3, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Anybody who has been on the South Side of Chicago, especially around their politicians.

JohnGalt23 on October 3, 2012 at 11:02 AM

He’s been the only mover in DC willing to do the math and to propose an actual solution. The question becomes whether voters are willing to reward him for doing so, or will choose the demagogues over the solvers.

Obama’s minions are billing the debate as the rat-eared coward’s opportunity to pin Romney down over his lack of specificity. I would suggest that it is not enough for them to attack another candidate’s plan without presenting an alternative.

Happy Nomad on October 3, 2012 at 11:03 AM

unfortunately for ryan, others were also willing to do the math.

Paul Ryan Asked for Tax Math, Offers Gibberish

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 10:53 AM

lol, what exactly are Jonathan Chait’s economic credentials?

(Starts Stopwatch)

Del Dolemonte on October 3, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Finally just out, a SuperPac ad that covers the Serial Liar in Chief...well done, yes 2 mins length, but how do you cover his lies in less time—well done….

hillsoftx on October 3, 2012 at 11:05 AM

You guys in the over 50 crowd are screwed……

redguy on October 3, 2012 at 10:55 AM

The line of wheelchairs waiting to go over the cliff will be epic.

Happy Nomad on October 3, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Can we get an ad of Obama pushing grandma over the cliff now, please?

magicbeans on October 3, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Quoting NY Mag as a credible source of math? Why not to ask Madonna’s opinion on who offers better political platform? Oh, wait…

Archivarix on October 3, 2012 at 11:01 AM

don’t be silly. attack the argument, not the person making it.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Update: The White House responded to my post on Twitter:

By admitting they’re planning on destroying Medicare “as we know it”.

Team Romney, if you want to win, you know what to do.

Steve Eggleston on October 3, 2012 at 11:09 AM

unfortunately for ryan, others were also willing to do the math.

Paul Ryan Asked for Tax Math, Offers Gibberish

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 10:53 AM

If only Ryan had said “You have to pass it to see what’s in it”, he could have gotten a dispensation.

Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 11:10 AM

don’t be silly. attack the argument, not the person making it.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Response to this?

Not sure you care about accuracy, but here is the explanation.

SAZMD on October 3, 2012 at 11:02 AM

gwelf on October 3, 2012 at 11:10 AM

don’t be silly. attack the argument, not the person making it.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:07 AM

SAZMD on October 3, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Washington Nearsider on October 3, 2012 at 11:10 AM

don’t be silly. attack the argument, not the person making it.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:07 AM

There is no coherent argument there to attack. I used to read NY Mag before it turned into insufferably yellow progressive rag. Jon Chait is a liberal hack who gets paid to bash Republicans and perpetuate talking points, not to understand economy.

Archivarix on October 3, 2012 at 11:10 AM

lol, what exactly are Jonathan Chait’s economic credentials?

(Starts Stopwatch)

Del Dolemonte on October 3, 2012 at 11:03 AM

it’s obvious that ryan’s math doesn’t add up. but i know that instead of trying to explain this inconvenient detail, it’s easier to attack jonathan chait.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 AM

lol, what exactly are Jonathan Chait’s economic credentials?

(Starts Stopwatch)

Del Dolemonte on October 3, 2012 at 11:03 AM

He said he hated Bush. That should be enough accreditation. What more do you want?

Thomas More on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Its as credible finacially as Hades.

What exactly did you think those death panels were created to accomplish?

Pre-WWII Germany dumped their old unwanted folks through innoculation until the people distrusted doctors, then they shifted to a “no fat” diet (sauerkraut) which usually wiped them out within three or four months.

We who have coldly killed off 53 million of our offspring since Roe Vs Wade will have no trouble pretending we’re not just as evil. I suspect that not too few “Libertarian” and “fiscal con” types will be looking the other way as well as the Godless liberals.

Don L on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Hopefully Romney attacks on this point tonight and airs campaign ads about this tomorrow. Clearly Ryan will hammer Bidenopolous on this next week.

milcus on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 AM

redguy on October 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Vote for Romney. If that doesn’t work, maybe move to Chile.

Charlemagne on October 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM

There are some mighty strange rumbling going on in the Fifth Column Treasonous Media right now. Hillary is being dragged kicking and screaming in front of the bus and placed right next to Erick Holder. It’s kind of crazy, like the Fifth Column Treasonous Media woke up Monday morning and forgot that that they had sold their souls to the devil and starting actually reporting.

First with Univision dropping a nuke on Erick Holder and Obama over “Fast and Furious” and then CNN nuking Hillary Clinton over her refusing to send Ambassador Stevens the additional security he requested.

All of these sudden randoms acts of journalism make one wonder, what exactly is it that the Fifth Column Treasonous Media knows that they are desperate to keep the general public from finding out. What other possible rational could there be for throwing Obama under the bus?

SWalker on October 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM

There is no coherent argument there to attack.

Archivarix on October 3, 2012 at 11:10 AM

the argument is that ryan’s math doesn’t add up.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Democrats prefer to crash the entire economy over relinquishing their control over us.

Millions of independent Americans could save the federal government, aka taxpayers, hundreds of billions in unfunded liabilities if we were allowed to opt out of Social Security and Medicare and allowed to keep our own money to plan for our own lives without government meddling and control.

But the socialists refuse to allow us actual freedom.

Charlemagne
on October 3, 2012 at 10:55 AM

.
No disagreement with that “half” of it. Why don’t you finish it?

For example: “Now, the thing that’s wrong with the Republicans is . . . . “

listens2glenn on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 AM

the argument is that ryan’s math doesn’t add up.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM

http://www.american.com/archive/2012/october/the-romney-tax-plan-not-a-tax-hike-on-the-middle-class

gwelf on October 3, 2012 at 11:14 AM

You lie!

cmsinaz on October 3, 2012 at 11:15 AM

I hope Romney points this out and hammers it home tonight. I think Romney will win those over 50, but the more he convinces, the closer we get to ending this 4 year long embarressing nightmare.

ConservativePartyNow on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Joe must be one of the world’s best dads. Even though his son is ugly, obnoxious, and stupid, he still brings the little guy to work every day and even lets him play with a microphone.

What a guy.

Laura in Maryland on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Why is Medicare the “go to” service that needs to be cut dramatically?

Why not focus on the government theft of Medicare funds?

Why not focus on what the government is doing with the % taken out
of worker payroll to pay for this program? (I think it is 3%)

Why not focus on getting the unemployed back to work so we can add
the % from each back into Medicare?

All young ones laughing because this doesn’t affect you (now) will be
paying for your parents lab tests because they won’t be able to pay for
it. Or, if you are jacka$$es, you will watch them die from not getting
the treatment needed.

What a great society we have created….first we abort the babies,
then we create death panels for the over 65.

Amjean on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 AM

If only Ryan had said “You have to pass it to see what’s in it”, he could have gotten a dispensation.

Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Yeah, we’re all waiting to do the math on Harry Reid’s budget…Oh wait.

Thomas More on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 AM

First with Univision dropping a nuke on Erick Holder and Obama over “Fast and Furious” …

SWalker on October 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Does anyone know if Univision is keeping up the narrative on this after their Sunday presentation?

AZfederalist on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Response to this?

Not sure you care about accuracy, but here is the explanation.

SAZMD on October 3, 2012 at 11:02 AM

gwelf on October 3, 2012 at 11:10 AM

haha, let me grant you for a minute that the aei is the kind of objective arbiter tha jon chait is not. however, the article makes too many assumptions favorable to ryan that are little more than wishful thinking. they ryan plan is just like any other recent conservative fever dream: they always require an element of magic to work.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 AM

lol, what exactly are Jonathan Chait’s economic credentials?

(Starts Stopwatch)

Del Dolemonte on October 3, 2012 at 11:03 AM

I don’t know. I do know that he graduated from the University of Michigan, and he refuses to tell us what he majored in.

But he Hates Bush, so to me that makes him an expert on economics!

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Thanks for playing.

B+

Del Dolemonte on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Joe: “How does this President …… ?”

Obama: “After the election, I’ll have more flexibility.”

Carnac on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Go get the liar Mitt . . . cut him no slack.

rplat on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 AM

the argument is that ryan’s math doesn’t add up.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM

So what’s Obama’s plan? The math of his first term added up to 5+ trillion in debt and no answers for the 100+ trillion in entitlement liabilities in the coming decades. Every one of his budgets is so ludicrous that he can’t even get a single Democrat vote for it. Each of his proposals amounts to tens of billions gained through taxing the “rich” and trillions more in spending.

gwelf on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 AM

haha, let me grant you for a minute that the aei is the kind of objective arbiter tha jon chait is not. however, the article makes too many assumptions favorable to ryan that are little more than wishful thinking. they ryan plan is just like any other recent conservative fever dream: they always require an element of magic to work.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Oh, so know you’re attacking the messenger and dealing with any of the specifics mentioned.

What’s Obama’s plan?

gwelf on October 3, 2012 at 11:21 AM

First with Univision dropping a nuke on Erick Holder and Obama over “Fast and Furious” …

SWalker on October 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Does anyone know if Univision is keeping up the narrative on this after their Sunday presentation?

AZfederalist on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 AM

That is a question I to would like answered, lazy gringo that I am, despite living in SoCal for 40 years I have never bothered to learn to speak Spanish, so I need translation services to follow what Univision is doing.

But this much I am sure of, if Univision replays those two segments more than a couple of times it will cost Obama the Hispanic vote.

SWalker on October 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM

the argument is that ryan’s math doesn’t add up.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Do you just promote random liberal fishwraps, or have a point to make? The link contains no math at all. Not that I expected it. Liberals hate those nasty four-letter words – MATH, FACT, DUTY…

Archivarix on October 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM

the argument is that ryan’s math doesn’t add up.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Wow, you’re throwing Chait under the bus now?

And replacing him with a kid right out of college?

Meenal Vamburkar

Meenal is an associate editor at Mediaite. A complete news junkie, she’s also worked at several other organizations including the New Statesman, Business Insider, The Hindustan Times and the New England Center for Investigative Reporting. She recently graduated from Boston University with a degree in journalism and international relations. A writer at heart, she’s also a foodie obsessed with travel and fashion. She refuses to read books on a Kindle.

Wow, another deep thinker with impeccable economic academic credentials.

D+

Del Dolemonte on October 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM

haha, let me grant you for a minute that the aei is the kind of objective arbiter tha jon chait is not. however, the article makes too many assumptions favorable to ryan that are little more than wishful thinking. they ryan plan is just like any other recent conservative fever dream: they always require an element of magic to work.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 AM

So now you are attacking the messenger and not dealing with any of the specifics he mentioned.

The Romney/Ryan plan requires magic to work? So what’s Obama’s plan?

gwelf on October 3, 2012 at 11:23 AM

From Drudge, the man:

BIDEN: Middle class has been ‘buried’…

CUTTER: We’re Not Blaming Bush…

GIBBS: It’s All Bush’s Fault…

Top Five Obama-Biden Tax Hikes Burying the Middle Class…

National, Fla., Va. poll numbers tighten…

Campaign: ‘Vote Like Your Lady Parts Depend On It’…

Voter registration slumps among Democrats…

Schadenfreude on October 3, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Bark’s Plan:

1 – Tax the rich.

2 – Use the $80 billion gained from those taxes to pay for $15 trillion worth of expenses.

3 – Utopia.

Why do I have to explain everything to you misogynistic freaks?

Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 11:26 AM

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 AM

All the attacks on Ryan you’ve mentioned boil down to the assumption that the Ryan/Romney proposed tax cuts would reduce tax revenue. There have been numerous examples in the past where tax cuts produced revenue increases. The liberal slant is that because they assume the Romney/Ryan plan won’t be revenue neutral as claimed that Romney/Ryan will be *forced* to raise taxes on the middle class. The math doesn’t add up! They won’t get the revenue they projected!!11!1!

This is rank hypocrisy coming from the left given how wrong Obama’s own administration has been on his own revenue projections and his spending record.

gwelf on October 3, 2012 at 11:26 AM

More BS from the Clown Show Administration! Who would’ve seen that coming? The funny part of this is, the last one who needs to be talking about hypocrisy, is this putz, Morning Schmoe! As a back stabbing rino, it’s just another “pot meet kettle” moment, for the Schmoe!
For those following,How to take on the Obama Enemy media: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on October 3, 2012 at 11:27 AM

So what’s Obama’s plan?

gwelf on October 3, 2012 at 11:23 AM

There’s lots of money to be saved by not building roads in white suburban neighborhoods…

Archivarix on October 3, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Can we get an ad of Obama pushing grandma over the cliff now, please?

magicbeans on October 3, 2012 at 11:06 AM

How about a line of CGI Obamas to the horizon pushing a line of grandmas over the cliff?

freedomfirst on October 3, 2012 at 11:28 AM

The worst part about the $250 billion in Medicare cuts is that Congress will spend it somewhere else.

J_Crater on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Why is Medicare the “go to” service that needs to be cut dramatically?

It is a luxury as much as enslavement. So why not gut it?

Why not focus on the government theft of Medicare funds?

Because government is a bureaucracy. Things move slowly, by the time you catch one group, another group has sprung up suing a new tactic. Also note that bureaucracy breeds a don’t care attitude where least resistance is the path to success for the person in it.

Why not focus on what the government is doing with the % taken out of worker payroll to pay for this program? (I think it is 3%)

2.9%, what would you focus on?

Why not focus on getting the unemployed back to work so we can add
the % from each back into Medicare?

From each according to their ability (get the hell back to work slaves!, to each, that is right masters, we got them slaves back to work so you can keep on scking off their wealth creation.

All young ones laughing because this doesn’t affect you (now) will be paying for your parents lab tests because they won’t be able to pay for it. Or, if you are jacka$$es, you will watch them die from not getting the treatment needed.

This is exactly how life should be. The children who are related should be the ones picking up the failures of their parents. Their parents spent the first 18 years of their lives caring for them… If the children cannot or will not and the parents cannot from savings, then community and charity kick in. Keeps the theivery out of the system.

What a great society we have created….first we abort the babies, then we create death panels for the over 65.

Amjean on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 AM

We abort the babies because it is more economically feasible for someone to force other people’s children to foot the bill than to raise their own and treat them well, educate them well, and keep them in good standing with yourself so they will help you in your hours of need. If people were forced to either save for their retirement years or have children to care for them in their retirement years, we would not be aborting so many babies. But since it is easier to force other people to pay for your luxury through votes than to raise a family of your own, people will.

astonerii on October 3, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Del Dolemonte on October 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM

did you really look up the completely irrelevant byline next to the post featuring a video of ryan’s inability to explain to flaming liberal chris wallace the details of his tax plan? didn’t you miss the point a wee bit?

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:32 AM

This will probably be the last time Woodward gets in the white house.

rubberneck on October 3, 2012 at 11:33 AM

@EdMorrissey @JoeNBC This was in Obama’s public plan for 2M jobs and $4T deficit reduction last year

bob woodward, legendary reporter.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Liberals are deeply committed to the card hold facts of budgets, projected revenue and deficits. If it weren’t for that evil Booosh Obama would never have run up 5+ trillion in debt and completely ignored a coming fiscal crisis in entitlement programs. If it wasn’t for those dastardly Republicans the Democrats would have leveled with the American people that SS has been raided and is now a Ponzi scheme and that we can’t pay for Medicare/Medicaid.

gwelf on October 3, 2012 at 11:35 AM

What exactly did you think those death panels were created to accomplish?

Pre-WWII Germany dumped their old unwanted folks through innoculation until the people distrusted doctors, then they shifted to a “no fat” diet (sauerkraut) which usually wiped them out within three or four months.

We who have coldly killed off 53 million of our offspring since Roe Vs Wade will have no trouble pretending we’re not just as evil. I suspect that not too few “Libertarian” and “fiscal con” types will be looking the other way as well as the Godless liberals.

Don L on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 AM

The notion that Death Panels are for old people is painfully naive. The people that have written volumes on the topic, like the ghoulish Ezekiel Emanuel, will determine who gets healthcare based on their socialist concept of ‘community value’.

They draw a curve of ‘community value’ that starts at near-zero at birth, and slowly builds to a peak between ages 15 and 40, after which it drops off sharply. To them, it is just as logical to withhold medical care from a one-month old baby as it is a sixty-year old man.

That one would not expect this from a party that supports partial-birth abortions at full-term is the height of naivete.

slickwillie2001 on October 3, 2012 at 11:35 AM

What a great society we have created….first we abort the babies,
then we create death panels for the over 65.

Amjean on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 AM

0bama must have watched Soylent Green and Logan’s Run as he was planning this program to wrench freedom away from us!

I’m getting hungry for some processed food.

freedomfirst on October 3, 2012 at 11:35 AM

@EdMorrissey @JoeNBC This was in Obama’s public plan for 2M jobs and $4T deficit reduction last year

bob woodward, legendary reporter.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Obama’s administration is synonymous with job creation and debt reduction!
/sarc

gwelf on October 3, 2012 at 11:37 AM

did you really look up the completely irrelevant byline next to the post featuring a video of ryan’s inability to explain to flaming liberal chris wallace the details of his tax plan? didn’t you miss the point a wee bit?

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Did you read more than the byline? Ryan did answer the question as best he could in the time he had.
The question is how can you cut taxes and not decrease revenue – which Ryan basically answered (in the time he had) and has been proven historically.

gwelf on October 3, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Joe: “How does this President …… ?”

Obama: “After the election, I’ll have more flexibility.”

Carnac on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 AM

If this President is sent back to Chicago, he’ll have more flexibility in his golf schedule.

I don’t know whether Romney will be flexible with Komrade Vlad, but I kinda sorta doubt it.

Steve Z on October 3, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Reporter: Ryan – give me the maths!

Ryan: We’re going to cut taxes 20%, reduce the corporate tax rate (which is the highest in the industrialized world), and remove a lot of loopholes. We’ll be revenue neutral because the economy will grow and businesses will expand and the tax code won’t encourage rich people to seek tax shelters etc.

Reporter: Why can’t you show me teh Maths!!!!11!!11!

gwelf on October 3, 2012 at 11:50 AM

The legacy media is the enemy of the American people…

d1carter on October 3, 2012 at 11:59 AM

I agree…Medicare needs to be cut, in addition to everything else! WE ARE BROKE!

dom89031 on October 3, 2012 at 12:10 PM

the argument is that ryan’s math doesn’t add up.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Hmmm, so you’re ok with shooting the messenger (Ryan) when the argument is made that his math doesn’t add up…

… yet if *that* argument and math (used to refute Ryan) doesn’t add up, you bleat ‘dont shoot the messenger’.

Do you detect the stupidity of your argument yet, or do we need to draw pictures in crayon for you?

Midas on October 3, 2012 at 12:18 PM

National Review ruins sesquipedalian’s day:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/329133/obama-s-middle-class-tax-hike-editors

gwelf on October 3, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Del Dolemonte on October 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM

did you really look up the completely irrelevant byline next to the post featuring a video of ryan’s inability to explain to flaming liberal chris wallace the details of his tax plan? didn’t you miss the point a wee bit?

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:32 AM

why are you wasting my time?

sesquipedalian on February 22, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Del Dolemonte on October 3, 2012 at 12:20 PM

bob woodward, legendary reporter.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:34 AM

New York University Professor Jay Rosen severely criticized Woodward for allegedly being co-opted by the Bush White House and also for not telling the truth about his role in the Plame affair, writing: “Not only is Woodward not in the hunt, but he is slowly turning into the hunted. Part of what remains to be uncovered is how Woodward was played by the Bush team, and what they thought they were doing by leaking to him, as well as what he did with the dubious information he got.”

Del Dolemonte on October 3, 2012 at 12:23 PM

So…are these cuts part of the upcoming Death Panels thingy…or is it part of the expand the dependent voter base who may or may not be actual legal citizens of the US yet….or is it maybe a bait and switch thingy typical of liberals…


Soylent Green is People!

In any case it’s all the fault of the Republicans cause they’re evil and hate Po’ folks or sumthin’

Newt should have fun with this on TeeVee

workingclass artist on October 3, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Del Dolemonte on October 3, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Woodward has pissed off the liberals…cause they had him on that Watergate pedestal for a long time

workingclass artist on October 3, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Del Dolemonte on October 3, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Stay tuned for Woodie’s interview of Ambassador Stevens, scheduled for release next week…

slickwillie2001 on October 3, 2012 at 12:30 PM

We should see the commercial of Obama pushing grandma over the cliff any minute now.

phatfawzi on October 3, 2012 at 12:48 PM

they ryan plan is just like any other recent conservative fever dream: they always require an element of magic to work.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Son, that magic is called “freedom”… and conservatives understand it just fine.

dominigan on October 3, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Oh, and my preferred plan for Social Security and Medicare is to allow me the FREEDOM to opt out of both and put that money into uncapped 401K and HSA plans. I’m 43, and I guarantee I’ll have a better return than the federal programs that liberals like you want to keep me trapped in!

dominigan on October 3, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Offers Gibberish…sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012

…yep!…that’s all you ever offer!…for how long now?

KOOLAID2 on October 3, 2012 at 1:15 PM

haha, let me grant you for a minute that the aei is the kind of objective arbiter tha jon chait is not. however, the article makes too many assumptions favorable to ryan that are little more than wishful thinking. they ryan plan is just like any other recent conservative fever dream: they always require an element of magic to work.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Translation: AEI isn’t using static analysis.

Isn’t that how they came up with the phony Obamacare numbers that have been thoroughly discredited?

spinach.chin on October 3, 2012 at 1:18 PM

dominigan on October 3, 2012 at 1:01 PM

+1

Crutch on October 3, 2012 at 1:29 PM

The O just keeps getting worse. Nothing works for the guy. Amature, and surely not the brightest guy in the room.

StevC on October 3, 2012 at 1:43 PM

…die old pharts!…Die!

KOOLAID2 on October 3, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Woodward: Obama planning to cut $250 billion from Medicare over 10 years
…another MASSIVELY IMPORTANT piece of information that only us informed conservatives who follow the TRUTHFUL conservatives blogs will ever know about. What a pity.

TeaPartyNation on October 3, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Sesquip – love your stuff. Ryan does use a non-static analysis – it does have an advantage over your method in that static analysis has never been correct ever. So does his math assume a level of growth and tax receipts based upon assumptions built on how people react to the tax code yes? Yes. The math works – you just don’t like to admit that just raising taxes on the rich where the govts take of GDP is already around 25% will result in much less revenue that you expect.

As to medicare – no democrat has been willing to do the math – none of them. You did tax the rich on earnings above 250K to pay above the medicare rate everyone else pays. Butotherwise you have done nothing. Ryan’s plan I don’t think goes far enough – but the math does work. At least he has done some. No democrat has done any – at least any he is willing to share.

Zomcon JEM on October 3, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Son, that magic is called “freedom”… and conservatives understand it just fine.

dominigan on October 3, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Only if you define freedom as the spending of other people’s wealth creation.

Ryan’s plan is no different than the current plan in any way other than instead of paying for treatment, it pays for the insurance that pays for treatment.

Just like the current plan, it is not the individual paying for their own care, it is other people paying for it.

Just like the current plan, the desire and election pressures will have voters voting for those offering the most and politicians buying votes by offering more to a sizable constituency, seniors and near seniors, who due to ever increasing life expectancy become a bigger and bigger portion of the electorate.

Thus, you can write the bill any way you want today, the magic is in saying, but they will never change it for the worse in the future….

astonerii on October 3, 2012 at 2:33 PM

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