Protest breaks out in Iran as currency crumbles under sanctions

posted at 7:46 pm on October 3, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via The Lede and Business Insider, which has an eye-popping graph showing what’s happening to the rial right now. We’ve all got debate fee-vah tonight but I want to put this on your radar screen in case things start to spiral in Tehran. The point of nuclear sanctions was to put Iran’s economy in a vise so that public discontent would force the regime to either back down on uranium enrichment or risk destabilization from within. Here’s a destabilizing tremor now:

Clashes and at least one spontaneous protest erupted in Tehran on Wednesday over the plunging value of Iran’s currency, as black-market money-changers fought with riot police who were dispatched to shut them down, and hundreds of angry citizens demonstrated near the capital’s sprawling merchant bazaar, where many shops had closed for the day. The official media reported an unspecified number of arrests including two Europeans.

The clashes were the first instance of a violent intervention over the money-changing business in Tehran since the currency, the rial, which had been gradually losing value in recent years, dropped drastically over the past week, losing 40 percent of its worth against the dollar, to a record low…

“They spend billions of dollars to keep Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in power, but now they say they have no money!,” one garment seller screamed as he was cheered on by others, witnesses reported. A team from Iran’s state television was nearly attacked when its reporter turned to the camera saying that the people behind him had been upset over a robbery.

Ahmadinejad’s been reduced to begging Iranians at press conferences not to convert their currency, which has lost four-fifths of its value this year, to something more stable. Israel, meanwhile, is sufficiently impressed that’s it veering away from the war track and towards calling for more sanctions. (Over the weekend, Israel’s finance minister claimed that Iran’s economy is on the verge of collapse.) One expert put it this way recently for WaPo:

“Two clocks are now running: a nuclear clock and regime-change clock,” said Clifford Kupchan, a former State Department official who now serves as a private consultant on the Middle East. “Sanctions have put a big hole in the revenue side of Iran’s budget, but the leadership doesn’t yet know that it’s on a cliff.”

“So are sanctions changing the nuclear program? No,” Kupchan said. “Are they buying time so the regime-change clock can run down? I’d say yes.”

Iran’s threatening to ramp up enrichment further if the current nuke talks fail, but they’re going to do that anyway. Question, then: How will Obama approach this if wider protests start breaking out and suddenly it looks like we’re in for 2009 redux? He’s taken tons of criticism, justifiably, for his passivity during the Green Revolution, but I don’t know if that necessarily means he’ll be more active during the next uprising. The Green Revolution was a backlash to Khamenei and the regime fixing the election for Ahmadinejad over Mousavi; the next uprising, if it comes, will be a backlash to hyperinflation that’s being driven by sanctions championed by … the United States. Considering that the nuke program is a source of Iranian national pride, how does Obama convince the public that it’s the regime’s stubborn refusal to give up the program that’s the cause of their misery rather than the west’s insistence on taking away their nuclear prerogative by strangling them economically? Maybe it doesn’t matter; if the regime falls, whatever replaces it will be desperate for economic relief and will have no choice but to play ball on nukes. Even so, it’s an odd position to be in diplomatically. And if we do reach the point where the regime faces extinction, it’s hard to believe that they won’t lash out somehow in major retaliation, either at Israel or at U.S. interests abroad or even right here. The next six months are going to be hairy.



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No one is sanctioning us. But I wonder what the protest will look like when our currency crumbles. Won’t be pretty.

NOMOBO on October 3, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Holy Cow! Two Bishops in one week!

NOMOBO on October 3, 2012 at 7:48 PM

more massacres, Syria on steroids, and general mayhem that is what this portends.

rob verdi on October 3, 2012 at 7:48 PM

The Tea Party is taking over the world.

faraway on October 3, 2012 at 7:49 PM

by the way, desperate men do desperate things, be prepared.

rob verdi on October 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Good thing the commander in chief we have can’t even secure a consulate in a country that we just helped win a civil war.

pedestrian on October 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM

The next six months are going to be hairy.

Plus there’s always Israel threatening a military strike.

John the Libertarian on October 3, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Wonderful. If this brings down the regime, it will be the first foreign policy that the jugeared jackass got right. And a month before the election – well let’s just say he has no right to get that lucky.

platypus on October 3, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Proving nothing but the fact that sanctions hurt the people.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 7:53 PM

The next six months are going to be hairy.

Add the Turkey-Syria shelling, and things just got dicy.

Count to 10 on October 3, 2012 at 7:53 PM

But everything else up to this point was OK?

Ronnie on October 3, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Proving nothing but the fact that sanctions hurt the people.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 7:53 PM

That’s the point of them, in fact.

Count to 10 on October 3, 2012 at 7:55 PM

And if we do reach the point where the regime faces extinction, it’s hard to believe that they won’t lash out somehow in major retaliation, either at Israel or at U.S. interests abroad or even right here.

No kidding. Those Obama voters are going to torch Detroit, LA, the Harvard faculty lounge…

Oh, you meant the Iranian regime.

KingGold on October 3, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Why were they all smiling and happy? Looks like they’re going to a party.

Curtiss on October 3, 2012 at 7:55 PM

The question still remains. What will Obama do to get these monsters out of power, if anything? Now’s the time to strike, before the animals do something crazy, even for them! If nothing is done, there will be retribution. These protesters are going to be dealt with!
Final Update:Taking on the Obama Enemy media: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on October 3, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Proving nothing but the fact that sanctions hurt the people.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Then they should remove their government, but no, they only protest when the price of a bowl of Allah-Bran goes up.

Ronnie on October 3, 2012 at 7:56 PM

We need to starve the Islamic Beast in Egypt too!

Wigglesworth on October 3, 2012 at 7:57 PM

I am not certain that what comes after will be better than what we currently have in Iran. It could be, but some people thought that about every country that went under in the Arab Spring.

sharrukin on October 3, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Protesting on Mooch and Barry’s anniversary? RACISTS!

We need to send Chris Matthews to Tehran to address this outrage. Only Chris Matthews can uncover to Iranian-Republican racist conspiracy to ruin the First Couple’s anniversary.

Punchenko on October 3, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Iran is a small country, right?

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 7:58 PM

We could have done this years ago. I note that only now have these harsher sanctions been enforced, despite Hillary Clinton promising ‘sanctions that bite’ years ago.

Even at this juncture, Obama has given a waiver to at least a half dozen nations that are still permitted to buy Iranian oil, India, one of their principle buyers among them.

I’m wondering how long before this administration starts allowing ‘humanitarian aid’ to start flowing into Iran, which will, of course, only prolong the misery all around.

thatsafactjack on October 3, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Folks, buckle up – more bumps in the road ahead….

We just need to get a new driver that knows the territory.

And Romney should open the debate with:

“President Obama – You have been a stuttering cluster*uck of a miserable failure…..”

redguy on October 3, 2012 at 7:59 PM

‘Bout time Iranians started killing each other instead of us Americans.

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Just how much money has Iran been printing. They print it so fast just to pay Russia and China for the nuke bill, the ink is not even dry yet.

tjexcite on October 3, 2012 at 8:00 PM

We could have done this years ago. I note that only now have these harsher sanctions been enforced, despite Hillary Clinton promising ‘sanctions that bite’ years ago.

Even at this juncture, Obama has given a waiver to at least a half dozen nations that are still permitted to buy Iranian oil, India, one of their principle buyers among them.

I’m wondering how long before this administration starts allowing ‘humanitarian aid’ to start flowing into Iran, which will, of course, only prolong the misery all around.

thatsafactjack on October 3, 2012 at 7:58 PM

I wonder how Hillary likes the view from under the Obama bus?

SWalker on October 3, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I know! We could start a humanitarian program to help the Iranian people hard hit by our brutal sanctions.

We could call it Oil-for-Food.

/

Curtiss on October 3, 2012 at 8:04 PM

The point of nuclear sanctions was to put Iran’s economy in a vise so that public discontent would force the regime to either back down on uranium enrichment or risk destabilization from within.

Isn’t that the same kind of thinking that brought about Hitler when the Treaty of Versailles was unworkable?

IMO, economic sanctions in this case were always stupid. If you want a nation to stop building a nuclear bomb you tell them that they will be bombed instead of telling them that you will no longer buy their products. You tell them that you will indeed push them back to the middle ages. In short you do not negotiate with them.

Happy Nomad on October 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM

“President Obama – You have been a stuttering cluster*uck of a miserable failure…..”

redguy on October 3, 2012 at 7:59 PM

That would indeed…be EPIC!!!

But of course, seeing how not that many people are apparently not familiar with things like Solyndra…

ggggggggggaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

BigWyo on October 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM

The sanctions haven’t done anything to cause this currency problem. I and just about anyone with half a brain and a few connections can buy as much Iranian oil as I want in about 10 minutes, and within the law and outside the flimsy sanctions.

What’s caused it is the Iranians are following Bernanke’s and Europe’s lead, just printing money on steroids.

TXUS on October 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM

BigWyo on October 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM

wow…I even previewed that one…

gah…

BigWyo on October 3, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Now if this regime falls, it is a sure bet that it will be replaced by a Jeffersonian republic, just like Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt and Libya. /

iwasbornwithit on October 3, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Question, then: How will Obama approach this if wider protests start breaking out and suddenly it looks like we’re in for 2009 redux?

Obama will blame Bush !

burrata on October 3, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Just how much money has Iran been printing. They print it so fast just to pay Russia and China for the nuke bill, the ink is not even dry yet.

tjexcite on October 3, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Iran must be printing money even faster than the U.S. Federal Reserve, which is truly frightening.

the rial, which had been gradually losing value in recent years, dropped drastically over the past week, losing 40 percent of its worth against the dollar, to a record low…

wren on October 3, 2012 at 8:12 PM

“They spend billions of dollars to keep Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in power, but now they say they have no money!,” one garment seller screamed as he was cheered on by others, witnesses reported. A team from Iran’s state television was nearly attacked when its reporter turned to the camera saying that the people behind him had been upset over a robbery.

…sounds like one of our network news reporters!

KOOLAID2 on October 3, 2012 at 8:17 PM

..all pointing to the fact that The Pantload™ could have short circuited a lot of this bravo sierra had he inserted his bony asss into the Green revolution back in 2009?

This guy is really an incompetent assshole, innhe?

The War Planner on October 3, 2012 at 8:18 PM

I’m sure Obama is way on top of this. It was the part of his daily briefing today so no need to worry

jaywemm on October 3, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Boy, there’s something you don’t see every day. Angry muslims rioting in the streets. Oh wait…

tommyboy on October 3, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Obama will blame Bush !

burrata on October 3, 2012 at 8:11 PM

I was thinking they will blame a youtube video!..:)

Dire Straits on October 3, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Via The Lede and Business Insider, which has an eye-popping graph showing what’s happening to the rial right now. We’ve all got debate fee-vah tonight but I want to put this on your radar screen in case things start to spiral in Tehran
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While the Iranians are rioting,ahem,good time to take out
the nuke complexes!!

canopfor on October 3, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Proving nothing but the fact that sanctions hurt the people.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 7:53 PM

You mean, like those people who overthrew the Shah and put a theocracy in place?

John the Libertarian on October 3, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Boy, there’s something you don’t see every day. Angry muslims rioting in the streets. Oh wait…

tommyboy on October 3, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Yup,almost as surprising as seeing the stupid dribble from a liberals keyboard.

SWalker on October 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Question, then: How will Obama approach this if wider protests start breaking out and suddenly it looks like we’re in for 2009 redux?

(1) Go to Vegas to fund raise.
(2) Go golfing.
(3) Pivot with laser-like concentration on jobs.
(4) All of the above.

15 minutes for your answer; eyes on your own no cheating; you may leave when completed.

The War Planner on October 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Obama will blame Bush !

burrata on October 3, 2012 at 8:11 PM
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was thinking they will blame a youtube video!..:)

Dire Straits on October 3, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Dire Straits:Good Evening Dire….Ugh,Bush made a Islam Video Too!:)

Haha….(snark).

canopfor on October 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

One of the reasons that Iran’s rial is almost worthless goes beyond simply printing Monopoly money.

They’ve been getting around sanctions for some time by buying wheat, and other consumable and necessary items, as well as paying, no doubt, for the nuclear parts they’ve acquired, by bartering gold and/or oil for what they need.

By trading out gold for consumables they’ve traded away the only stable wealth the nation possessed to back the value of its currency, since it cannot, and will not, trade in the world reserve currency, the U.S. dollar, thus, effectively, rendering their own currency nearly worthless.

thatsafactjack on October 3, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Obama will blame Bush !

burrata on October 3, 2012 at 8:11 PM

I was thinking they will blame a youtube video!..:)

Dire Straits on October 3, 2012 at 8:18 PM

..maybe they’ll blame a you tube of video of Bush. This one will surely make their heads explode!

(God, I sure miss Bush!)

The War Planner on October 3, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Proving nothing but the fact that sanctions hurt the people.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Frack ‘em.

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 8:26 PM

I was thinking they will blame a youtube video!..:)

Dire Straits on October 3, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Or Neda
:(

burrata on October 3, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Oil dropped 4 bucks a barrel, the economy is turning around!!!!!!

Cindy Munford on October 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM

If the Iranian people could actually overthrow the mullahs and the Revolutionary Guard, I have a feeling Duh Won would pull a Jimmy Carter and not intervene.

Philly on October 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Then they should remove their government, but no, they only protest when the price of a bowl of Allah-Bran goes up.

Ronnie on October 3, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Why? It is a foreign government engaging in warfare against them.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Pray for change from within, folks. Because we sure as heck won’t be effecting change from outside.

MelonCollie on October 3, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Halalujah!

SMACKRUNNER on October 3, 2012 at 8:33 PM

That’s the point of them, in fact.

Count to 10 on October 3, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Nothing like hurting innocents. What a moral thing to do. All because we want to act the empire.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Nothing like hurting innocents. What a moral thing to do. All because we want to act the empire.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Would you rather we start bombing wedding parties, Captain CluelesS?

MelonCollie on October 3, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Nothing like hurting innocents. What a moral thing to do. All because we want to act the empire.
Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Ha. As if those nukes are only gonna kill the really bad guys. If you’ve got better solution we’re all listening.

tommyboy on October 3, 2012 at 8:37 PM

This is great squeeze the mullah-ocracy out of power economically. Iran will lash out and bring destruction on themselves. Heh.

jake49 on October 3, 2012 at 8:38 PM

this must be a clear failure of obama’s foreign policy somehow.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Ha. As if those nukes are only gonna kill the really bad guys. If you’ve got better solution we’re all listening.

tommyboy on October 3, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Solution to what? Our war mongering? As I matter of fact, I do have a solution for it: end it immediately along with the rest of our military interventionism. End all warfare against Iran and have open talks, sovereign nation to sovereign nation.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Would you rather we start bombing wedding parties, Captain CluelesS?

MelonCollie on October 3, 2012 at 8:37 PM

I think you mean would I rather we stop bombing wedding parties.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:43 PM

If the Iranian people could actually overthrow the mullahs and the Revolutionary Guard, I have a feeling Duh Won would pull a Jimmy Carter and not intervene.

Philly on October 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM

That would be the proper thing to do. It is none of our business.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Netanyahu: Obama’s sanctions haven’t hindered Iran by “one iota”

that bibi.

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 8:44 PM

No one is sanctioning us. But I wonder what the protest will look like when our currency crumbles. Won’t be pretty.

NOMOBO on October 3, 2012 at 7:48 PM

I dunno. If they’re (PTB) are smart, they’ll make sure regular programming continues (sitcoms, sports, talent shows, reality shows), that the flow of drugs and booze isn’t hindered, and that cell phone service stays up, I think most folks will be content to stay at home…and wait for somebody to fix everything.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 3, 2012 at 8:44 PM

I think you mean would I rather we stop bombing wedding parties.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:43 PM

No, I mean would you rather we bomb wedding parties in Iran as opposed to the half-baked sanctions. Which is more unpleasant: price increases for Allah-Bran or smoking craters where your friends/family used to be courtesy of a drone you can’t even see?

MelonCollie on October 3, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:42 PM

No, no, no – you’ve got it all wrong. It’s time for the mother of all options – a tee-shirt campaign./Rimmer.

OldEnglish on October 3, 2012 at 8:46 PM

If the Iranian people could actually overthrow the mullahs and the Revolutionary Guard, I have a feeling Duh Won would pull a Jimmy Carter and not intervene.

Philly on October 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM

That would be the proper thing to do. It is none of our business.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:44 PM

The sick thing is Obummer would take credit – be sure of that! – but it would be the best thing to do.

MelonCollie on October 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM

End all warfare against Iran and have open talks, sovereign nation to sovereign nation.
Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:42 PM

We’ve been doing that for 30 years and the result is Iran just months from nukes. Hey Charlie Brown, I’ll hold the football if you want to kick it. This time for real. I promise.

tommyboy on October 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM

sesquipedalian on October 3, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Fortunately, sensible people understand what Bibi meant by that statement.

OldEnglish on October 3, 2012 at 8:48 PM

We’ve been doing that for 30 years and the result is Iran just months from nukes. Hey Charlie Brown, I’ll hold the football if you want to kick it. This time for real. I promise.

tommyboy on October 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM

We have not done it at all. Not even once.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:53 PM

No, I mean would you rather we bomb wedding parties in Iran as opposed to the half-baked sanctions. Which is more unpleasant: price increases for Allah-Bran or smoking craters where your friends/family used to be courtesy of a drone you can’t even see?

MelonCollie on October 3, 2012 at 8:45 PM

I already stated what we should do: end our hostilities, which includes clandestine warfare, sanctions, cyberware, drones, etc. – all of it – and have open talks.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:54 PM

cyberwarfare, that is

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Nothing like hurting innocents. What a moral thing to do. All because we want to act the empire.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

I didn’t say sanctions were a great thing to do — just that the point is to hurt the citizens, generally to make it harder for their government to do something aggressive. Frankly, its probably better to just take military action, but that is less politically acceptable.

However, this has nothing to do with “acting the empire”, and more to do with making the world safer and freer — which is in our interests.

Count to 10 on October 3, 2012 at 8:56 PM

We have not done it at all. Not even once.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Given how much that appears to contradict reality, perhaps you would like to elaborate and provide some evidence.

Count to 10 on October 3, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Given how much that appears to contradict reality, perhaps you would like to elaborate and provide some evidence.

Count to 10 on October 3, 2012 at 8:57 PM

What, you want a dozen links to Faux News proving that we haven’t stopped war on Iran?

I don’t much care for Dante’s attitude but really now…

MelonCollie on October 3, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Our CIA helped this happen by flooding their economy with counterfeit currency.

Our Federal Reserve is doing the same thing to us.

dom89031 on October 3, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Nothing like hurting innocents. What a moral thing to do. All because we want to act the empire.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

No.

Elaboration not needed.

To you, as I see you and all your inane nonsense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Buxj7-4YLXw

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 9:02 PM

We’ve been doing that for 30 years and the result is Iran just months from nukes. Hey Charlie Brown, I’ll hold the football if you want to kick it. This time for real. I promise.
tommyboy on October 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Maybe Western leaders are Lucy and YOU are Charlie Brown because you don’t remember how many times over the last thirty years that we have been told in dire tones about the imminence of a nuclear Iran. Here is an article that does a good job explaining why imminent Iranian nukes are the gift that keeps on giving to the political class that takes advantage of our short memories.
Link

iwasbornwithit on October 3, 2012 at 9:06 PM

I know! We could start a humanitarian program to help the Iranian people hard hit by our brutal sanctions.

We could call it Oil-for-Food.

/

Curtiss on October 3, 2012 at 8:04 PM

I’ll bet we could even get the UN to administer it.

trigon on October 3, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Given how much that appears to contradict reality, perhaps you would like to elaborate and provide some evidence.

Count to 10 on October 3, 2012 at 8:57 PM

We have been engaged in warfare against Iran since 1979 (longer if you want to go back to 1953 when we overthrew their constitutionally-elected government). We haven’t once stopped. So to say that we’ve stopped and have tried to have talks is false. Or to say we’ve had open talks, sovereign nation to sovereign nation, over the past 30 years is false, because we’ve constantly been engaged in force and threat of force.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM

iwasbornwithit on October 3, 2012 at 9:06 PM

How long, do you think, that even the massive might of America would have taken to get the bomb, if not for WWII?

OldEnglish on October 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM

I didn’t say sanctions were a great thing to do — just that the point is to hurt the citizens, generally to make it harder for their government to do something aggressive. Frankly, its probably better to just take military action, but that is less politically acceptable.

However, this has nothing to do with “acting the empire”, and more to do with making the world safer and freer — which is in our interests.

Count to 10 on October 3, 2012 at 8:56 PM

It has everything to do with acting the empire. Iran is a sovereign nation, are they not? If there is one thing that can be said with certainty, it is that our foreign policy of interventionism has not made and does not make the world safer. We have 100+ years of it as evidence. Just so you know, interventionism is the foreign policy of progressivism.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 9:15 PM

How long, do you think, that even the massive might of America would have taken to get the bomb, if not for WWII?

OldEnglish on October 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Without all the German scientists who either fled voluntarily (including Einstein himself) or convinced us they knew too much to just be drug off and hung?

I’m guessing just a little longer.

MelonCollie on October 3, 2012 at 9:16 PM

it is that our foreign policy of interventionism has not made and does not make the world safer.
Dante on October 3, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Then let them all kill each other. But that won’t suit a liberal like you, will it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Buxj7-4YLXw

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Considering that the nuke program is a source of Iranian national pride,

According to who? Dinnerjacket?

GarandFan on October 3, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Just so you know, interventionism is the foreign policy of progressivism.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 9:15 PM

You have NO idea how you just shot your own ideology in the foot…

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 9:23 PM

According to who? Dinnerjacket?

GarandFan on October 3, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Well, he probably IS laughing up his sleeve at the frothing panic the West is throwing over something that’s looking suspiciously like predictions of global warming/cooling/etc. disasters.

MelonCollie on October 3, 2012 at 9:24 PM

‘Bout time Iranians started killing each other instead of us Americans.

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Frack ‘em.

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Liam, I see that you may have some thoughts about this particular issue, but are struggling to express yourself. Would you care to try and join the conversation?

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Obama talking about medicaid cuts….wow. he has some nerve.

Vegi on October 3, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Or Neda
:(

burrata on October 3, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Sadly forgotten. I wonder how many even know without Google.

Dan_Yul on October 3, 2012 at 9:39 PM

seriously, why the fuck is this moderator constantly interrupting?

does he have tourette syndrome?

Vegi on October 3, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Liam, I see that you may have some thoughts about this particular issue, but are struggling to express yourself. Would you care to try and join the conversation?

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Not my fault you can’t get my point. I make my meanings clear, which cheeses off liberals like lil’ ole you no matter how condescending the game you play. So, let me clarify, since YOU aren’t getting the points of detail.

Let the Iranians kill each other.

YOU are an epic failure for your own side, based on your own words.

YOU decry American ‘interventionism’ when it’s in American interest, but whine and simper like a typical textbook liberal when we don’t send our money to our enemies/your selected friends.

I know what I’m about. You and your kind, realistically, are just cookie-cutter liberals. At a dime a dozen, you’re overpriced.

Let the Iranians kill each other. Let all the Islamic world exterminate itself, without American money.

I say let us abandon the populations of the entire region, to kill themselves, rape their women, murder rape victims–all those things with which a liblet like you has no problem.

You’re a douche, Dante. And the kind of person I would never want backing me. If I had you for an ally, I would frag you just because of your very nature and take my chances alone.

In my estimation, YOU are not a person worth trusting or wanting available. I imagine many on your own side feel the same, because you can’t make muster to any of them.

Did I join the ‘conversation’ enough to your arrogant parameters?

Again, to YOU: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Buxj7-4YLXw

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 9:44 PM

MelonCollie on October 3, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Not to mention the priority of money and resources thrown into it.

OldEnglish on October 3, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Anytime you wish to join the conversation, feel free. I’m sure if you take a moment or two to formulate and compile your thoughts, you’ll have a beter go at it. Take as much time as you need. Or, you may find it easier to ask a question or two, and that might stimulate the thought process.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 9:54 PM

We are amassing huge debts, and will run into our own currency crisis once the EU sort themselves out in some way. The liberals will never in a million years accept massive cuts to domestic programs while keeping the overseas budget the way it is.

We need cuts everywhere, across the board.

V-rod on October 3, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Anytime you wish to join the conversation, feel free. I’m sure if you take a moment or two to formulate and compile your thoughts, you’ll have a beter go at it. Take as much time as you need. Or, you may find it easier to ask a question or two, and that might stimulate the thought process.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Keep trying there. You’re a failure to your own cause, Dante.

The reason I say that is because I used to be a hard-core liberal.

My favorite professor in college at the time was a die hard Marxist. He taught me that Marxism was supposed to be about TRUTH–something that escapes pitiable lil’ you. He was a Marxist, tried and true.

YOU, on the other hand, fail even your own side.

I respected that professor’s ideology, but I like the man for the things he taught me. YOU can’t match him.

If someone from your side is going to try preaching to us and presume to lecture, YOU are inadequate to the task.

You may well be passionate. But YOU do not persuade.

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Clashes and at least one spontaneous protest erupted in Tehran on Wednesday over the plunging value of Iran’s currency, as black-market money-changers fought with riot police who were dispatched to shut them down, and hundreds of angry citizens demonstrated near the capital’s sprawling merchant bazaar, where many shops had closed for the day. The official media reported an unspecified number of arrests including two Europeans.

Black Market: there it is. Substitute any American city for “Tehran” in that paragraph and you have my nightmare for our country in the future. Starting with medicine (big enough to evoke grudging media attention) going underground because of Obamacare.

In Iran, it’s called Sharia. In this country, religious law is called Regulation.

RushBaby on October 3, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Take as much time as you need.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Take as much time as you need.

Dante on October 3, 2012 at 10:06 PM

No more time for me. My case is stated and clear.

Over to you.

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 10:08 PM

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