Open thread: The first debate

posted at 8:21 pm on October 3, 2012 by Allahpundit

9 p.m. ET all across the dial and streaming live at C-SPAN.org. Yesterday’s WSJ/NBC poll had 22 percent of likely voters saying that the debates will be “extremely important” to their vote. Today, Rasmussen finds 17 percent saying they’ll be “very important.” Either way, you’ve got roughly one-fifth of the electorate signaling some willingness to shift based on what happens tonight (and at the next two face-offs) in a race that’s statistically tied at the moment and arguably only now just beginning. To paraphrase “Honest Joe,” this is potentially a big effing deal.

Also a big effing deal? The media’s post-debate “narrative-building”:

Consider this experiment. In 2004, Kim Fridkin and other researchers at Arizona State University showed people footage of the third presidential debate, the debate plus 20 minutes of post-debate commentary on NBC, the debate plus 20 minutes’ time to read commentary on CNN.com. So who won the debate, Bush or Kerry? It depended on whether you watched the news…

People watching the debate tended to think that Kerry had won, as did those who read analysis on CNN. But those who watched the NBC post-morten had the opposite impression. Fridkin et al. write:

“Our findings suggest that voters’ attitudes are influenced by the arguments presented directly by the candidates during the debate as well as by the media’s instant analyses of the candidates’ debate performances….the impact of the candidates’ messages was often altered by the media’s instant analyses.”

The idea of NBC boosting Bush doesn’t compute for me any more than it does for you, but there you go. It’s not just the post-debate yammering that might influence viewers, either:

Through the art of video production, one candidate can be portrayed more favorably than the other. On October 7, 2008, then-Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. John McCain met for the second of three presidential debates. The format was a town hall debate. Both men roamed the floor and locked eyes with the audience members who asked questions. Numerous cameras were placed around the room to capture the candidates regardless of where they stood.

While equal time was given to each man for questions, the audience, when viewing the televised debate, experienced subtle differences in the camera angles for each candidate. Typically, when Obama spoke, the camera displayed a close up, eye-level image, filling the frame with his upper chest and face. This presented to the viewer a strong image of Obama. In contrast, when McCain spoke, the camera often showed a waist-up, medium shot, filling the frame with as much background as McCain himself. These shots made McCain appear small, which was exaggerated from time to time by camera angles that looked down on him. In addition, because of the wide shots of McCain, Obama had more face time on camera, as he was often shown in the background when McCain answered a question.

No one expects Romney to get a fair shake tonight in the aftermath, but one potential complicating factor is that not all of the media’s biases are strictly ideological. Ross Douthat (and Jon Chait) made a fair point recently about how their bias towards horse-race coverage casts a shadow of hopelessness over the candidate that’s fallen behind in the polls. Highly motivated, strongly partisan voters won’t care about that but low-information undecideds who pay attention only sporadically may be led to perceive the trailing candidate as, in Chait’s words, “faintly ridiculous,” which destroys the air of presidential viability that he’s trying to build. In Romney’s case, the ideological and horse-race biases overlap to work against the GOP, but they don’t always: John Cook of Gawker argued a few days ago that the media’s doing to Romney what it once did to both John Kerry and Al Gore, namely, pigeonholing him as a weird, stiff, hapless loser because his slight personal awkwardness is an obvious contrast with the confident charm of his opponent. It’s all about the narrative, and if they’ve got a narrative staring them in the face involving a guy who’s good at retail politics and a guy who’s not so good, that’s one that they’re going to grasp.

The punchline is that the media’s also biased for professional reasons towards having an exciting race to cover, and a post-debate “Romney comeback” narrative would serve that end. I’m not expecting it — I think ideological interests will trump all given that the race is so close — but if Mitt is sharp and composed, which he’s likely to be, you may see some “he helped himself tonight” chatter later even if there’s a reluctance by the press to pronounce him the winner. If you’re interested in watching the narrative sausage being made in real time, I recommend opening up a separate tab and following this feed of political journalists compiled by Matt Lewis. As with all Twitter communities, most of those people follow each other so there’ll be a plenty of perception insta-reinforcement afoot.

Tonight’s debate is supposed to be devoted to domestic policy but Libya likely will be mentioned. So will George W. Bush’s record, maybe by both sides. The 2007 Obama speech at Hampton U likely will not. Here’s the handy dandy Hot Air/Townhall Twitter widget, which should be buzzing until the wee hours. Enjoy.



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KOOLAID2 on October 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

LoLz..*clink*..:)

Dire Straits on October 3, 2012 at 11:26 PM

First!
John the Libertarian on October 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

(drinking)

To all Hot Air Heads.
A great night, no?
*clink*
hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

The beginning of the end of a nightmare hawk.

Rovin on October 3, 2012 at 11:26 PM

I might could pull it off. some people say I speak ‘okie’ pretty well!!

Scrumpy on October 3, 2012 at 11:26 PM

That’s the eternal question. It’s at least encouraging reading.

gh

Yeah, I’m not sure I believe it, but it’s an interesting read. We can hope it’s legit though.

xblade on October 3, 2012 at 11:26 PM

ROFL! A friend of mine just pointed out the best tweet of the night…

“That wasn’t a debate so much as Mitt Romney just took Obama for a cross country drive strapped to the roof of his car.”

dominigan on October 3, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Chris Matthews freaks out (RCP article; text, no video)

E-R

electric-rascal on October 3, 2012 at 11:26 PM

out of fear of retribution
sentinelrules on October 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

ROTFLMAO. That makes my night. Good night all.

gh on October 3, 2012 at 11:26 PM

BSNBC’s own poll just showed mitt won +46% tie +32% Obummer won +22%

TeeHee.

riverrat10k on October 3, 2012 at 11:27 PM

CNN POLL: Romney won debate 67%-25%

Raquel Pinkbullet on October 3, 2012 at 11:27 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/03/chris_matthews_freaks_out_at_obama_after_debate_romney_was_winning.html

HERE IT IS!!!

Where was Romney, he was winning!!!

Awesome stuff…

MGardner on October 3, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Romney’s line about Obozo only being good in picking out the losers was the best one of the evening.

Second best was telling Obozo: “I’ve been in business for 25 years, and I have no idea what you’re talking about” in response to Obozo’s claim that corporations get a tax credit for shipping jobs overseas. Obozo used that line over and over again on the campaign trail and this was the first time he got directly confronted about it.

OneVision on October 3, 2012 at 11:27 PM

(\__/)
(>’.’<)
(")_(")

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

That’s good. I’m gonna’ steal it when I’m not so tired.

cozmo on October 3, 2012 at 11:27 PM

It was a shredding, no doubt.

I wonder how many people who casually tuned-in had their mouths drop open when they saw Bark talking live and being such a stumbling, mumbling wreck of a speaker.

BTW, where have all the leftists gone, a few “Oh well he will do better next time” and then poof, into the ether.

Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Dang. Back to MSNBC. David Fluff talking about how awesome BO was tonight.

climbnjump on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Fluff said BO was “forcefull” tonight.

climbnjump on October 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

…did someone tell Fluff…we’re talking about the debate…and not b j fluffing?

KOOLAID2 on October 3, 2012 at 11:27 PM

ManlyRash on October 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Snake Pliskin? ManlyRash? I thought you were dead!

KirknBurker on October 3, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Sweet gloating victory. ‘Night all.

J.E. Dyer on October 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Ditto, and good night.

INC on October 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Big Bird-gate.

Rational Thought on October 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Save Big Bird! Obama still a big turd.

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM

My liberal Facebook friends are reduced to defending Big Bird.

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Ha! Mine are (refreshingly) quiet.

ConArtist in Tampa on October 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM

KOOLAID2 on October 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Getting close!!..:)

Dire Straits on October 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM

RT @LarrySabato : CNN POLL of voters who watched: 67% say Romney won, 25% Obama. A blowout.

sentinelrules on October 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM

I found it odd that initially Bark was nodding every time Mitt kicked sand in his face and then, later, he began to smile and nod every time Mitt took off a strip.

BL@KBIRD on October 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM

To all Hot Air Heads.

A great night, no?

*clink*

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

*clink*

climbnjump on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Whoa, Nellie! The lady in the middle of the Duntz group GETS IT!

Barackabama has defined Romney. Tonight, Romney defined himself.

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

This Lunz group is devestating. They are having a Romneygasm.

tommyboy on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

C

hris Matthews freaks out (RCP article; text, no video)

E-R

electric-rascal on October 3, 2012 at 11:26 PM

LOL, Matthews repeated advice for Obama: He needs to watch MSNBC!

electric-rascal on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Groan. CNN “fact checkers” are such hacks (I know, big surprise). Said that Romney’s claim that Obama will make cuts to Medicare as FALSE, because Obama isn’t cutting, he slowing the rate of growth. According to the MSM, slowing the rate of growth is “cutting”, so by their standards Romney’s claim is TRUE.

They claimed that Romney stated that 25M people have become unemployed under Obama, leaving out the part when he said “or have stopped looking for jobs”, which of course means that they aren’t considered unemployed when it comes to labor statistics.

HarryBackside on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Yes, indeed. I doubt Romney will know the millions of prayers sent up for him, but I hope he felt it in his soul.

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

I don’t know if Romney felt it, but when I was praying for him earlier today before the debate started, I felt like I was joining my voice to a chorus of many other voices.

AZCoyote on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

I also have to say good night to all!!

It’s been a wonderful night.

Prayers answered!!

God Bless

*CLINK*

Scrumpy on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Rational Thought on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Just saw yours! I saw mine through Facebook comments! I have to say that my conservative friends are REALLY fired up on Facebook right now!

dominigan on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

A lady on the Focus Group (Fox News) made an insightful remark. She said Obama had defined Romney before, but tonight Romney defined himself.

bluefox on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

lol, Sarah Palin just said Obama didn’t have his buddy POTUS tonight.

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Well that made no sense. Sarah was saying he was lost without “TOTUS”.

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Does having you here again mean that hope is making a comeback?

pianomomma on October 3, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Can’t say for sure. I can tell you it means that some folks will be delighted and others will be miserable.

I have that effect on people.

ManlyRash on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Hmmmn, not too much from trolls tonight, wonder why?

ccrosby on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

A tweet:

Obama uses “$5 trillion tax cut for rich” line that CNN rated FALSE in its pregame show.

— jimgeraghty (@jimgeraghty) October 4, 2012

Hilarious. I didn’t realize CNN had done that because I don’t watch.

I hope all their FCC paperwork is in order.

slickwillie2001 on October 3, 2012 at 11:30 PM

electric-rascal on October 3, 2012 at 11:26 PM

That is good news..:)

Dire Straits on October 3, 2012 at 11:30 PM

I don’t know if Romney felt it, but when I was praying for him earlier today before the debate started, I felt like I was joining my voice to a chorus of many other voices.

AZCoyote on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Are you familiar with “bearing Witness?”

bluefox on October 3, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Luntz focus group – no one who voted for Obozo in 2008 will be voting for him again! Very interesting . . . .

OneVision on October 3, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Best tweet of the night–nay, the year, and perhaps decade, is from Iowahawk:
David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog
@BarackObama mene mene tekel upharsin.

hoosiermama on October 3, 2012 at 11:31 PM

I humbly bow admitting my embarrassment.

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM
(Methinks I suck pretty much)…

Scrumpy on October 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM
Sigh, so many Grand Canyon size openings and me in too good of a mood to go tickin’ y’all off.

I’m gettin’ too old for this sh..

cozmo on October 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Holding my tongue also, LOL.

riverrat10k on October 3, 2012 at 11:31 PM

My liberal Facebook friends are reduced to defending Big Bird.

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Roast Big Bird… Mmm, Mmm, good. (Gotta use the right sauce.)

climbnjump on October 3, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Sarah was saying he was lost without “TOTUS”.

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

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SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Wow. From Duntz group…

Romney is a leader. Barackabama has merely managed the last 4 years.

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/03/chris_matthews_freaks_out_at_obama_after_debate_romney_was_winning.html

HERE IT IS!!!

Where was Romney, he was winning!!!

Awesome stuff…

MGardner on October 3, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Precious!

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Hmmmn, not too much from trolls tonight, wonder why?

ccrosby on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Thread was moving too fast, LOL Also they read that we were going to ignore them as we wanted a Trollfree thread:-)

bluefox on October 3, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Does having you here again mean that hope is making a comeback?

pianomomma on October 3, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Can’t say for sure. I can tell you it means that some folks will be delighted and others will be miserable.

I have that effect on people.

ManlyRash on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Don’t be so modest. We chopped the troll up into pieces and had a really nice cookout…in hopes you would come back.
We didn’t tell the newbies they were eating yak.

HornetSting on October 3, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Wow, Obama needs to run back to his comfort zone on The View as fast as he can…

Oracleforhire on October 3, 2012 at 11:22 PM

…so he can cross his legs…better than the girls?

KOOLAID2 on October 3, 2012 at 11:33 PM

A great night, no?

*clink*

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

American Honey
Salut!

*clink*

eyesky on October 3, 2012 at 11:34 PM

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Thanks, I’ll be stealing that.

Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Hmmmn, not too much from trolls tonight, wonder why?

ccrosby on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

They are all “Occupied” with the Big Bird death watch…

climbnjump on October 3, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Freaking Chris Matthews is a violent POS.

We have our knives out,” Matthews said, admitting his network is trying their best to defend Obama and his policies. “We go after the people and the facts. What was he doing tonight? He went in their disarmed.”

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:34 PM

“Political pundits are already sounding off on the winner of tonight’s debate — and Over the Shoulder, a company that conducted a live mobile “town hall” among smartphone-using voters around the country tonight, found that a majority of those voters thought Mitt Romney won.

At the end of the debate, 57 percent of those who responded to Over the Shoulder’s question declared Romney the winner, compared with 43 percent for Obama. Even among those who identify themselves as likely Obama voters, 45 percent of those voters said Romney won.

The town hall also found that, halfway through the debate, Romney was positively influencing more viewers than Obama. Asked at 9:45 p.m. which candidate made them “feel more positive about him now than before today,” 56 percent named Romney, compared with 44 percent for Obama.

OTS’s town hall, which surveyed over 300 people who opted in by downloading the OTS app on their smartphones, isn’t a scientific poll, nor does it give details about the demographics or state locations of the voters who respond in its surveys…”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/

workingclass artist on October 3, 2012 at 11:34 PM

ManlyRash on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

You can put my name in the “delighted to see you back” column. Welcome back!

AZCoyote on October 3, 2012 at 11:34 PM

The debate rules will be changed TONIGHT by the presidential commission. Ain’t no way an hell they’ll let Romney get away with this again.

rgrovr on October 3, 2012 at 11:34 PM

ABCNews has a poll online about who won the debate. Obama is winning. I say its time for us to vote! (Scroll down, its on the right side)

dominigan on October 3, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Thanks for the link. Voted for Romney!

redridinghood on October 3, 2012 at 11:34 PM

*clink*

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

*clink*

for the first time in almost four years, I’m finally getting my hope and CHANGE.

Laura in Maryland on October 3, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Ed Schultz is about to endorse Romney…

MGardner on October 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Mark Halperin ‏@MarkHalperin David Axelrod says Romney may “pick up a point or two” in the polls as a result of this debate.
Meet The Press ‏@meetthepress RT @chrisdonovannbc: On Sunday @GovChristie told @davidgregory: “Wednesday night’s the restart of this campaign” #NBCPolitics
Mark Blumenthal ‏@MysteryPollster CBS KN instant reaction poll: Big win for Romney. By 46-22 say think won, 56% have better opinion of Romney, Romney cares up from 30 to 63
Chuck Todd ‏@chucktodd One way u can tell Team Obama knows they lost “the night”: their spin is, Romney’s positions won’t win “long term” and thay will come thru
Nancy Cordes ‏@nancycordes CBS News instapoll: 46% said Romney won. 22% said Obama won. 32% said tie. Decisive win for Romney.

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Hey kids!

Soooo, what did I miss??!!!

Wow, what a night! Mighty impressive : ). For the first time, I truly think we will pull this off : )

Even in Cook County : )

herm2416 on October 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Jeff Greenfield is pathetic… he posted this-

Jeff Greenfield, Y! News: I’m Jeff Greenfield, reporting from the critical battleground state of California (I can see the Channel Islands from my house!) No truth that Drudge and Hannity are reporting that Obama will begin by saying “good evening, Whitey”.

redridinghood on October 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Sing it, Mr. Denver!

Many of us are feeling the Rocky Mountain High now.

OneVision on October 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Obama clearly lost. Lets see if it matters.

libfreeordie on October 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

I don’t normally pray, but…

Dear Lord,

Please be with Mitt Romney tonight. Guide him. Give him wisdom.

In Jesus’ name,

AMEN!

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Please pray more often, Southern Gent. Someone up there listens to you. :)

idalily on October 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Sigh, so many Grand Canyon size openings and me in too good of a mood to go tickin’ y’all off.

I’m gettin’ too old for this sh..

cozmo on October 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

It was just too easy. Even I had to pass it up Boss. ; )

Bmore on October 3, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Andrew Sullivan is really really really upset with Obama…

“But this was a disaster for the president for the key people he needs to reach, and his effete, wonkish lectures may have jolted a lot of independents into giving Romney a second look.

Obama looked tired, even bored; he kept looking down; he had no crisp statements of passion or argument; he wasn’t there. He was entirely defensive, which may have been the strategy. But it was the wrong strategy. At the wrong moment.

The person with authority on that stage was Romney – offered it by one of the lamest moderators ever, and seized with relish. This was Romney the salesman. And my gut tells me he sold a few voters on a change tonight. It’s beyond depressing. But it’s true…”

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/live-blogging-the-first-presidential-debate-2012.html

I loath Sullivan as much as Tingles so this cracked me up.

workingclass artist on October 3, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Well, I have to admit that Romney did very well tonight, and that I was completely wrong about Mitt’s ability to handle himself against an opponent, who though incapable of defending his record, is a good debater. I expected a squishy, apologetic, run from his record approach complete with a side of weak conservative platitudes – not to mention getting run over by the moderator. What we saw tonight was a pretty good beat down, and a surprisingly good articulation of conservative principles from Mitt.

I also think that Mitt completely caught Obama off-guard by highlighting his bi-partisan experience in MA. That doesn’t help, his conservative bona fides with his base, but he did well in crafting his language in such a way that it gives the base enough assurance that he really has evolved in his thinking and the way he would govern.

I’ve been saying for months that Mitt would implode at the debates, that some of the base would run from him and that he would lose by 10-20 points next month. Obviously, I can’t say that anymore. In fact, if Mitt performs this well in the next two debates he’s likely to win comfortably – which shocks me.

Tonight, I’m left with this simple question: Who is this Mitt Romney and what have they done with the guy I’ve been watching for the last 5 years?
I

newtopia on October 3, 2012 at 11:39 PM

(\__/)
(>’.’<)
(")_(")

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

That was really cute!

Night Owl on October 3, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Howdy everyone
So this is just a warm up for the Plugs – Ryan debate…………..This could be fun……

angrymike on October 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

You are good at that!! I liked the smoke rings earlier. (I think that was you)

bluefox on October 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM

James Carville: “The President didn’t bring his ‘A’ Game.”

I am surprised and how candid that assessment actually was. Pleasantly surprised.

OneVision on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

.
HEY … C.J.!he ain’t got no game.
.
He didn’t have any the last election, either. But as an “unknown”, the dominant culture of Professional Journalism could “fake it” and make him look good. Up against McCain, that didn’t take much.
When Sarah became McCain’s running-mate, suddenly it seemed as if the election were actually between Barack and Sarah. That’s how “lame” John looked. : (

listens2glenn on October 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Americans know everything is bad and that Bark has been the overseer of it, tonight’s debate just gave a whole lot of people all the reason they need to vote for Romney: TFGRP is a mealy-mouthed blowhard who couldn’t run a lemonade stand.

Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Winners:

Romney
Coulter
Us

Losers:
Barackabama
Kristol
Noonan
Frum
Brooks
ABR’ers

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/03/chris_matthews_freaks_out_at_obama_after_debate_romney_was_winning.html

HERE IT IS!!!

Where was Romney, he was winning!!!

Awesome stuff…

MGardner on October 3, 2012 at 11:27 PM

I will be forever grateful to you for posting this clip. Matthews was choking on his own tears. This is a whole new level of butthurt for Chrissy, and it’s fascinating to watch. He quite literally sounded on the verge of crying.

Beautiful.

thirtyandseven on October 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM

I have that effect on people.

ManlyRash on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Enough with the navel gazing.

The Barkster tore it up tonight, eh?

eyesky on October 3, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Luntz group on FOX just now rated Romney’s last emotional statement just before the closing as the high point. I agree

They liked that Romney communicated that he cared. That had to be done because the MSM until tonight had tried to say Romney did not care

A little lady in the group, a very sharp little lady, said until tonight the Prez defined Romney. Tonight, Romney defined Romney

I had better replay this segment. Someone should hire her as a consultant

Notice that Obama couldn’t look at Romney as he spoke; notice that he dithered and repeated ‘non-facts’, such that Romney finally had to tell him that repeating a point over and over doesn’t make it true. And a nice line by Romney, as others have pointed out, ..Mr. President, you’re entitled to your own house and your own car, but not your own facts’. heh – that’s because Obama lives only in his own rhetoric not in reality; Obama makes up points..and most of them aren’t true.

ETAB on October 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Obama uses the rhetorical gimmick of repeating lies, and then debating the lies – the old strawman. It works better if he is the only one on stage.

Romney’s line about being entitled to your own house .. but not your own facts was Reaganesque. I would play that line all over. It is warm, relatively kindly, and classic American horse sense.

A great moment that will grow if re played

entagor on October 3, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Ya’ know, if 0bama doesn’t invade Libya tomorrow, he might just call up Netanyahu to coordinate an attack on Iran. Never forget how small men strike out when they are shown to be small men.

cozmo on October 3, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Please pray more often, Southern Gent. Someone up there listens to you. :)

idalily on October 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Duly noted!

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Obama clearly lost. Lets see if it matters.

libfreeordie on October 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Hang in there, Biden’s up next and he should have no problem wiping the floor with Ryan.

Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 11:42 PM

I couldn’t bring myself to watch any of the debate, first because I didn’t want to have to listen to POSOTUS lying his ass off, and because I figured I’d jinx Mitt. I thought I’d tune in somewhere in the middle just in time to hear Mitt say “Why yes, Jim, I DO secretly hate black people. Why do you ask?” and then I’d have to take the blame for Mitt flaming out. But now I’m going to have a celebratory shot of Jack Daniel’s Tennessee Honey and then it’s off to bed for five hours of sleep and then another work day. Night all.

Moose Drool on October 3, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Rev. Al on MsNBC just said that Romney committed him and his party to things that were unspeakable and that Ryan would have trouble backing it up in the debate w/Ryan along with the next 3 debates.

Any thoughts?

athenadelphi on October 3, 2012 at 11:43 PM

lol, Sarah Palin just said Obama didn’t have his buddy POTUS tonight.

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Well that made no sense. Sarah was saying he was lost without “TOTUS”.

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

We knew what you meant. :-)

*clink*

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

*clink*

for the first time in almost four years, I’m finally getting my hope and CHANGE.

Laura in Maryland on October 3, 2012 at 11:35 PM

I raise my glass of Stella to you both, with a big *CLINK*

UltimateBob on October 3, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Any thoughts?

athenadelphi on October 3, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Tawana Brawley has no comment.

sentinelrules on October 3, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Any thoughts?

athenadelphi on October 3, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Not a one. Just like Sharpton.

cozmo on October 3, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Obama clearly lost. Lets see if it matters.

libfreeordie on October 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

You’re still voting for him, so why even ask the question?

Paging Don Rickles…

Del Dolemonte on October 3, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Romney to Obama: “You picked losers” (Solyndra etc). Did Mitt also mean his pick for Sect. of State was a loser too? Eric Holder? The leader of the Pentagon that can’t tell you if our heroes can vote this year? More debates!

Rovin on October 3, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Obama clearly lost. Lets see if it matters.

libfreeordie on October 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

You’d be a fool to vote for that man after tonights performance. Why would you not want the better man, the better leader in the Oval Office.

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:44 PM

It’s going to be fun watching desperation set in. These rats are going to turn on each other something fierce.

tommyboy on October 3, 2012 at 11:45 PM

I thought the whole thing with Jim Lehrer was an open forum 2 minutes with 2 minutes and then open forum for each person to ask questions of the other/clarify.

He did his job. He just let them go longer than 2 minutes.

athenadelphi on October 3, 2012 at 11:45 PM

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 8:35 PM

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Please pray more often, Southern Gent. Someone up there listens to you. :)

idalily on October 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

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Someone “up there” will listen to anyone who tries to get to know Him. : )

listens2glenn on October 3, 2012 at 11:45 PM

But all the Hotair TruCons told me Romney’s just another McCain/Dole!

FAIL. Admit it and get in line.

jjraines on October 3, 2012 at 11:46 PM

{{{GH}}}

RushBaby on October 3, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Obama clearly lost. Lets see if it matters.

libfreeordie on October 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Hang in there, Biden’s up next and he should have no problem wiping the floor with Ryan.

Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Yeaaaahhhh ….

noooo …

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Howdy everyone
So this is just a warm up for the Plugs – Ryan debate…………..This could be fun……

angrymike on October 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM

…Hi Mikey…good night tonight!

KOOLAID2 on October 3, 2012 at 11:46 PM

I raise my glass of Stella to you both, with a big *CLINK*

UltimateBob on October 3, 2012 at 11:43 PM

*clink*

Laura in Maryland on October 3, 2012 at 11:46 PM

“Tax breaks for sending jobs overseas?? I’ve been in business for over 25yrs and I’ve never heard of that. It’s just not the case”—Romney

Dollayo on October 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

From what I saw of the debate, that was one of my favorite lines. Mitt was just like “wtf are you talking about, Barrack?” lol…

I’m hoping Fox will replay the debate, because i missed the first 45 minutes or so…and it sounds like Mitt really plowed Obama under with that one. Hannity said Obama was even asking to move on to another subject, he got hammered so hard. lol

Highlar on October 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Hmmmn, not too much from trolls tonight, wonder why?

ccrosby on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Their Demi god was reduced to a mouse and they know it, huddled up to learn what they think for tomorrow now!

bluemarlin on October 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Hey where’s Kunta Kinte in the headlines? I feel like maybe the guy needs a hug right about now.

thirtyandseven on October 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Hmmmn, not too much from trolls tonight, wonder why?

ccrosby on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM


They are in a state of shock …

… and are realizing they are going to need a lot of lube to get through the next three debates.

PolAgnostic on October 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Feeling the Rocky Mountain High.

OneVision on October 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Poured a little Pusser’s to celebrate.

Sekhmet on October 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Enough with the navel gazing. The Barkster tore it up tonight, eh? – eyesky on October 3, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Omphaloskepsis
? Moi?

That said…I have no comment with regard to the debate except to say that Obama cleaned Romney’s chronometer and will prevail over Der Mittmeister on November 6.

ManlyRash on October 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

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