Open thread: The first debate

posted at 8:21 pm on October 3, 2012 by Allahpundit

9 p.m. ET all across the dial and streaming live at C-SPAN.org. Yesterday’s WSJ/NBC poll had 22 percent of likely voters saying that the debates will be “extremely important” to their vote. Today, Rasmussen finds 17 percent saying they’ll be “very important.” Either way, you’ve got roughly one-fifth of the electorate signaling some willingness to shift based on what happens tonight (and at the next two face-offs) in a race that’s statistically tied at the moment and arguably only now just beginning. To paraphrase “Honest Joe,” this is potentially a big effing deal.

Also a big effing deal? The media’s post-debate “narrative-building”:

Consider this experiment. In 2004, Kim Fridkin and other researchers at Arizona State University showed people footage of the third presidential debate, the debate plus 20 minutes of post-debate commentary on NBC, the debate plus 20 minutes’ time to read commentary on CNN.com. So who won the debate, Bush or Kerry? It depended on whether you watched the news…

People watching the debate tended to think that Kerry had won, as did those who read analysis on CNN. But those who watched the NBC post-morten had the opposite impression. Fridkin et al. write:

“Our findings suggest that voters’ attitudes are influenced by the arguments presented directly by the candidates during the debate as well as by the media’s instant analyses of the candidates’ debate performances….the impact of the candidates’ messages was often altered by the media’s instant analyses.”

The idea of NBC boosting Bush doesn’t compute for me any more than it does for you, but there you go. It’s not just the post-debate yammering that might influence viewers, either:

Through the art of video production, one candidate can be portrayed more favorably than the other. On October 7, 2008, then-Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. John McCain met for the second of three presidential debates. The format was a town hall debate. Both men roamed the floor and locked eyes with the audience members who asked questions. Numerous cameras were placed around the room to capture the candidates regardless of where they stood.

While equal time was given to each man for questions, the audience, when viewing the televised debate, experienced subtle differences in the camera angles for each candidate. Typically, when Obama spoke, the camera displayed a close up, eye-level image, filling the frame with his upper chest and face. This presented to the viewer a strong image of Obama. In contrast, when McCain spoke, the camera often showed a waist-up, medium shot, filling the frame with as much background as McCain himself. These shots made McCain appear small, which was exaggerated from time to time by camera angles that looked down on him. In addition, because of the wide shots of McCain, Obama had more face time on camera, as he was often shown in the background when McCain answered a question.

No one expects Romney to get a fair shake tonight in the aftermath, but one potential complicating factor is that not all of the media’s biases are strictly ideological. Ross Douthat (and Jon Chait) made a fair point recently about how their bias towards horse-race coverage casts a shadow of hopelessness over the candidate that’s fallen behind in the polls. Highly motivated, strongly partisan voters won’t care about that but low-information undecideds who pay attention only sporadically may be led to perceive the trailing candidate as, in Chait’s words, “faintly ridiculous,” which destroys the air of presidential viability that he’s trying to build. In Romney’s case, the ideological and horse-race biases overlap to work against the GOP, but they don’t always: John Cook of Gawker argued a few days ago that the media’s doing to Romney what it once did to both John Kerry and Al Gore, namely, pigeonholing him as a weird, stiff, hapless loser because his slight personal awkwardness is an obvious contrast with the confident charm of his opponent. It’s all about the narrative, and if they’ve got a narrative staring them in the face involving a guy who’s good at retail politics and a guy who’s not so good, that’s one that they’re going to grasp.

The punchline is that the media’s also biased for professional reasons towards having an exciting race to cover, and a post-debate “Romney comeback” narrative would serve that end. I’m not expecting it — I think ideological interests will trump all given that the race is so close — but if Mitt is sharp and composed, which he’s likely to be, you may see some “he helped himself tonight” chatter later even if there’s a reluctance by the press to pronounce him the winner. If you’re interested in watching the narrative sausage being made in real time, I recommend opening up a separate tab and following this feed of political journalists compiled by Matt Lewis. As with all Twitter communities, most of those people follow each other so there’ll be a plenty of perception insta-reinforcement afoot.

Tonight’s debate is supposed to be devoted to domestic policy but Libya likely will be mentioned. So will George W. Bush’s record, maybe by both sides. The 2007 Obama speech at Hampton U likely will not. Here’s the handy dandy Hot Air/Townhall Twitter widget, which should be buzzing until the wee hours. Enjoy.



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Luntz group on Fox really interesting, if no one has mentioned it ye.t

ConArtist in Tampa on October 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Watching it know, the Lib in the focus group blamed Obama’s bad performance on Lehrer…

MGardner on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Did someone say donuts?

J.E. Dyer on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I suspect he’ll come loaded for bear in the next debate.

chumpThreads on October 3, 2012 at 10:41 PM

The next time there is a mass shooting, we will make sure to blame this post for the violent language and imagery. Okay?

ShadowsPawn on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Did they show the mix of the Luntz group ??

pambi on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Kisses for Rob Portman. Let’s give him a fruit basket. I love the guy. Hopefully, Ted Olsen does the same for Paul Ryan. Kisses… Kisses.

Illinidiva on October 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Long day, just got in. What’d I miss?

:)

Bob's Kid on October 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Rubio: This president and his rhetoric have never been exposed like they were tonight.

Preach it, brother!

Rational Thought on October 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM

there can be no other explanation for Barky’s lame performance.

Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Occam’s razor, I can think of a few that make more sense.

cozmo on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I listened to the debate while following this thread. Those of you who remember me from those dark days leading up to Election Night in November of 2008 will understand (and hopefully explain to the newbies) my following assessment:

Obama trounced Romney tonight and will emerge victorious on November 6. I don’t know how I know this…I just know it.

ManlyRash on October 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Manly Rash! I often wondered what happened to you. You were the first person to talk to me when I was a HA newbie 4 years ago. It was something about my election night meal of red wine and brownies.

patriette on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Everybody loves Scrumpy. (:

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Me too. He’s funny and fiece like a dinosaur and a great addition to Hot Air.

Scrump-a-saurus!

And …

Frank Lund with his group says he’s never seen an audience reaction like this till now. The majority flipped for Mitt based on his performance.

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

God bless, Marco Rubio!

“The President and his rhetoric has never been challenged the way Governor Romeny challenged him tonight.”

PolAgnostic on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Long day, just got in. What’d I miss?

:)

Bob’s Kid on October 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Mitt = The Woodchipper
Barky = The Multch

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Who was that moron talking to Giuliani?

climbnjump on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

If that debate went on another 2 hours, I would’ve had to call the doctor.

lorien1973 on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Would a box full of Dunkin Donuts crullers effect a means of absolution, Your Grace?

ManlyRash on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Well…I already consigned you to hell and have a team of inquisitors trying to find you…but I suppose I could be persuaded to call it all off.

Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

MSNBC is scrolling at the top of the screen where they have the title “Debate 2012″ on the left side of the bar and the right side has “lean forward” on it fading into the msnbc over it. Talk about openly in the tank.

Big John on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

When the developing meme is “well, it didn’t change the game” you know your guy had a good night.

tommyboy on October 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Scrumpy is a girl. At least all this time I thought Scrumpy was a girl.

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Who was that moron talking to Giuliani?

climbnjump on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

MSNBC

Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Romney was one of my last choice’s during the primaries, but he might have been our best choice after watching tonight’s debate…

MGardner on October 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Mitt = The Woodchipper
Barky = The Multch

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Is it now time to spread the manure on the multch?

climbnjump on October 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Mitt used a KGB poison-barb ring to inject Bark with a light dose of Val.ium as they shook hands, there can be no other explanation for Barky’s lame performance.

Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM

LOL!!! Bravo Bish!

Rovin on October 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Prayers paid off big time – thank You, Lord!

Eren on October 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Amen to that. Keep an eye on anything Romney or his wife may say about prayer.

bluefox on October 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Romney swung nearly all the undecideds in the Luntz group. Only about 3 out of 24 I believe said they think Obama won the debate.

jazzmo on October 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

giuliani explaining to a dense chris hayes what the bush tax cuts mean

renalin on October 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM

It’s wise to proceed with caution when faced with a statement that possibly double-edged and made by someone you don’t know!

:)

INC on October 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Obama is incapable of debating because he cannot treat the other person as an equal. Obama can lecture, he can preach, he can pontificate from his teleprompter. But he cannot sit down and interact and discuss an issue with another person. That’s another reason why Obama misses most Intelligence Meetings, and why he leaves all policy and program development to others; he can’t ‘work on a policy’ with others as an equal.

Notice that Obama couldn’t look at Romney as he spoke; notice that he dithered and repeated ‘non-facts’, such that Romney finally had to tell him that repeating a point over and over doesn’t make it true. And a nice line by Romney, as others have pointed out, ..Mr. President, you’re entitled to your own house and your own car, but not your own facts’. heh – that’s because Obama lives only in his own rhetoric not in reality; Obama makes up points..and most of them aren’t true.

ETAB on October 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

First!

John the Libertarian on October 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Obama….Bless his heart.

txmomof6 on October 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Mitt used a KGB poison-barb ring to inject Bark with a light dose of Val.ium as they shook hands, there can be no other explanation for Barky’s lame performance.

Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Bet there will be one tomorrow from the Axelrod/Jarrett spin-meisters. We’ll hear that Barry has been battling a cold and had taken some antihistamine, or that he’d eaten something that didn’t agree with him, or some other such imaginary physical condition that prevented him from turning in a top-notch performance.

AZCoyote on October 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Drudge headline…Round Won!

workingclass artist on October 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Ahem I am a female last time I looked! Hmmmmmm maybe I’d better look again…….
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Yup, ohhhhhhhhhhhhh boy, you are not the only one who thought I am a guy? Is it the music? :-)

Scrumpy on October 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Sarah on Fox

tommyboy on October 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Who is that BS-ing little punk who was interviewing Giuliani on MSNBC? I’d like to slap his fat. pink little face.

UltimateBob on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

AZCoyote on October 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Frankly, I am a bit surprised that O did not pull the race card.

Saving it for the last debate, I guess.

Riverrat says: Obama WILL play the race card before the debates are over.

riverrat10k on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Mitt = The Woodchipper
Barky = The Multch

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

That’s a good one!! Sarah on Fox News!! Looking good!! New makeup & hair do:-)

bluefox on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Oooh. Palin looking pretty tonight. And she is THRILLED with Romney’s performance!

Rational Thought on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Whoa! Sarah Palin positively BEAMING!!!!

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Unlike the other fake conservatives on Fox, Sarah Palin is excited about the debate outcome.

ConArtist in Tampa on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Joe Biden must be literally hiding Obama’s “steel spine” under the Resolute Desk.

batterup on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

James Carville: “The President didn’t bring his ‘A’ Game.”

I am surprised and how candid that assessment actually was. Pleasantly surprised.

OneVision on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Liberals already blaming Downgrade’s loss on the moderator

workingclass artist on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM

It’s wise to…
:)

INC on October 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Dats da problum. Wisdum. I got nun. (:

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Wow…that Luntz group was shocking. I mean…Romney did amazing…but if that’s a representative of how “independents” or “leaners” saw this debate…Romney just picked up a LOT of supporters!! :D

Highlar on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Sarah changed her hair colour!! I like it!

Scrumpy on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

he can preach
ETAB on October 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

You can stop there.

gh on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Prayers paid off big time – thank You, Lord!

Eren on October 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

I will be saying my thank you’s as well tonight.

ccrosby on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Sarah on Fox

tommyboy on October 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

I like the new look!!

bluefox on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Well…I already consigned you to hell and have a team of inquisitors trying to find you…but I suppose I could be persuaded to call it all off. – Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

They are frosted crullers, Your Grace.

ManlyRash on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

To all Hot Air Heads.

A great night, no?

*clink*

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Unlike the other fake conservatives on Fox, Sarah Palin is excited about the debate outcome.

ConArtist in Tampa on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

FIFM, the other way made it sound like I think Palin is a fake conservative.

ConArtist in Tampa on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Who was that moron talking to Giuliani?

climbnjump on October 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

MSNBC

Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Ah, that explains why Maddow, Mathews, et. al. are appearing on my screen. Must. Reach. For. The. Channel. Changer…

There, all better now.

climbnjump on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Sarah Palin ripping zer0bama to freakin’ shreds.

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Is it the music? :-)

Scrumpy on October 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Well duh, its the accent silly.

cozmo on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

A bloody fantastic damn good night!! *Clinky*!!

Scrumpy on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

lol, Sarah Palin just said Obama didn’t have his buddy POTUS tonight.

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Looked to me like Obama got donged.

Aviator on October 3, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Yeah, majorly. Last time I saw a donging like that with a camera rolling, some chick named Sasha was involved.

Sekhmet on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Sarah on Fox

tommyboy on October 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

It’s good to see someone sane after watching 15 minutes of the nutjobs on MSNBC.

I need a shower after that.

UltimateBob on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

A great night, YES!

gh on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Matt Welch: “That wasn’t a debate so much as Mitt Romney just took Obama for a cross country drive strapped to the roof of his car.”

tee-hee

Rational Thought on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

A great night, no?

*clink*

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

No, not enough blood on the walls of the debate hall.

cozmo on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

cozmo on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Ok!!! I shall try and be more american in my speech… ;-)

Scrumpy on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Wow…that Luntz group was shocking. I mean…Romney did amazing…but if that’s a representative of how “independents” or “leaners” saw this debate…Romney just picked up a LOT of supporters!! :D

Highlar on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

One of my undecided friends on Facebook said he is still undecided, wants to see the rest of the debates, but Romney was clear winner of this one.

ConArtist in Tampa on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Prayers paid off big time – thank You, Lord!

Eren on October 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Yes, indeed. I doubt Romney will know the millions of prayers sent up for him, but I hope he felt it in his soul.

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

I was actually home sick from work today, but for some reason I’m feeling more chipper now. This thread has been a lot of fun tonight.

Hope.

Bob's Kid on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

ManlyRash???? How the heck are ya?? Great to see you back here!

hoosiermama on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

To all Hot Air Heads.

A great night, no?

*clink*

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

*HIC*

ManlyRash on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Dang. Back to MSNBC. David Fluff talking about how awesome BO was tonight.

climbnjump on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

To all Hot Air Heads.

A great night, no?

*clink*

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

*clink, clink, clink*

ccrosby on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

My liberal Facebook friends are reduced to defending Big Bird.

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

I’ll drink to that . . . clink.

Hopefully tonight was just a preview of coming attractions . . . .

AZCoyote on October 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Yup, ohhhhhhhhhhhhh boy, you are not the only one who thought I am a guy? Is it the music? :-)

Scrumpy on October 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

It’s your fierce debate style. I humbly bow admitting my embarrassment.

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

To all Hot Air Heads.

A great night, no?

*clink*

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

*clink* We got ourselves a Winner. Mitt for the Win. Now lets get out the vote for a HUGE turnout.

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Ok!!! I shall try and be more american in my speech… ;-)

Scrumpy on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Not around me. I think the accent is sexy.

cozmo on October 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Oooh. Palin looking pretty tonight. And she is THRILLED with Romney’s performance!

Rational Thought on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

…don’t like Sarah’s hair! (I had to say that for spokesfish !)

KOOLAID2 on October 3, 2012 at 11:22 PM

4, 263 comments for this thread. Is that a record?

bluefox on October 3, 2012 at 11:22 PM

*clink*

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

*clink*

/diggin’ on Sarah’s lip gloss.

Ugly on October 3, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Wow, Obama needs to run back to his comfort zone on The View as fast as he can…

Oracleforhire on October 3, 2012 at 11:22 PM

ManlyRash on October 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Hey, I remember you well. I thought your exodus was truly noble. Does having you here again mean that hope is making a comeback?

pianomomma on October 3, 2012 at 11:22 PM

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Me fierce? Oh why thank you kindly Sir!!

(Methinks I suck pretty much)…

Scrumpy on October 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM

EW! Rob Portman on Hannity next. Is he a great teacher or is Romney a great student. It’s obviously both.

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM

So many media myths about The One just imploded tonight:

Zero has empathy. Nope

Zero is smart. Nope

Zero is hard working. Nope

Zero is bipartisan. Nope

Zero understands the economy. Nope

Zero is a leader. Nope.

Rational Thought on October 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Happy anniversary Mr. President. :-)

diogenes on October 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM

To all Hot Air Heads.

A great night, no?

*clink*

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Great night indeed. Praise the Lord!!

*clink* (with Coke:-)

bluefox on October 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Good heavens! When did Mitt Romney grow a spine and principles?

This debate reminded me of the butt whupping Paul Ryan put on Obama back in 2010 during the President’s Obamacare summit.

Ryan offered a blizzard of facts pointing out why the President’s plan would not work and would make things worse.

Obama’s reaction was the same then and during this debate – in turns petulant, flailing and disjointed.

At both times, Obama lied continuously because he was ignorant about the details of his own policies.

Obama is a supremely arrogant man who despises being challenged and his eyes were throwing darts during the second half of the debate.

I usually put very little stock in presidential debates, but Romney may have done himself some serious good here with viewers.

Good job.

Bart DePalma on October 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Donuts? Dammit, thought I heard “donuts.”

Sweet gloating victory. ‘Night all.

J.E. Dyer on October 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Barry might have fared just as well if he had phoned his answers in.

booger71 on October 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

…my stomach is just now settling down…must be the beer!
*clink*

KOOLAID2 on October 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

cozmo on October 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Ok!!! I shall try and be more american in my speech… ;-)

Scrumpy on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Well cozmo would like you to speak Texan. He is currently training twerp to be a real Texan and not a Yankee Transplant.

Anyway hi Twerp

(\__/)
(>’.’<)
(")_(")

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Plouffe, like Obama, starts almost sentence by going “ugh.” So, much for being intelligent.

When they say “ugh,” you know they are ugh, about to lie.

milcus on October 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Good night Hawkdriver!!

Scrumpy on October 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Dang. Back to MSNBC. David Fluff talking about how awesome BO was tonight.

climbnjump on October 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Fluff said BO was “forcefull” tonight.

climbnjump on October 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Privately, some Democratic strategists said the challenger got the best of the president.. “We got our clock cleaned,” said a Democratic strategist who spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear of retribution. The strategist had reviewed results of polls and focus groups of the debate.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/incumbent-debate-curse-barack-obama-falls-to-mitt-romney-20121003

sentinelrules on October 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

It was wonderful..Just outstanding..:)

PS..We can do this..R&R 2012..:)

Dire Straits on October 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

My liberal Facebook friends are reduced to defending Big Bird.

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Big Bird-gate.

Rational Thought on October 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

So many media myths about The One just imploded tonight:
Rational Thought on October 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Neither the media nor teh won, will believe this. Not even after he loses two more debates and the election. It will just be raacism.

gh on October 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

“Tax breaks for sending jobs overseas?? I’ve been in business for over 25yrs and I’ve never heard of that. It’s just not the case”—Romney

Dollayo on October 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

I humbly bow admitting my embarrassment.

hawkdriver on October 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

(Methinks I suck pretty much)…

Scrumpy on October 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Sigh, so many Grand Canyon size openings and me in too good of a mood to go tickin’ y’all off.

I’m gettin’ too old for this sh..

cozmo on October 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

CNN poll 67% Romney 25% Obama

Carnac on October 3, 2012 at 11:26 PM

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Now you’re bishing for compliments!

My liberal Facebook friends are reduced to defending Big Bird.

SouthernGent on October 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

That is sad.

INC on October 3, 2012 at 11:26 PM

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