Debate preview: How Romney can win

posted at 12:41 pm on October 3, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Tonight, Mitt Romney has the opportunity to change the trajectory of this race against Barack Obama in the first of three presidential debates.  This is arguably the most important of the three, as low-information voters may be getting their first close look at Mitt Romney since the primary debates ended months ago — or perhaps ever.  In my column for The Week, I game out the stakes in this Denver debate, and offer three keys to Romney’s strategy:

1. Romney has to transcend the debate agenda. Successful candidates use questions as mere suggestions, while answering their own questions to drive a debate narrative. Both Obama and Romney will do this, but Republicans assume that media moderators will drive the debate into territory friendlier for Obama than Romney. Romney has to take control and drive the debate, not let the moderator keep him pinned on defense — and that’s an entirely legitimate strategy for voters, too. As Romney is running against an incumbent president, the focus should be on Obama’s performance and his plans for a second-term agenda.

2. Romney has to assert himself without looking overly aggressive. That’s no easy feat. Al Gore lost the debate battle against George W. Bush by alternately looking too aggressive and then too impatient. Obama ended up prevailing over John McCain by projecting a collegial-if-not-friendly mien while dispensing with McCain’s arguments. Lower-information voters have to see Romney as something other than the Thurston Howell caricature that Team Obama has painted, while still pressing Obama on his economic failures and lack of any clear second-term agenda.  The tone used in his ad last week, in which he spoke directly into the camera for 60 seconds about the economy, would work well in this setting to reassure undecided voters that Romney will be a safe alternative to Obama.

3. Romney has to construct an overarching narrative of executive incompetence in the Obama White House. This first debate will focus on the economy, but Romney needs to draw on more issues than that to make his case. Obama will respond on the economic issues by claiming that the grave nature of the recession handicapped the recovery, and that his policies will eventually work to create jobs faster than population growth, a pace with which the Obama recovery has failed to keep up. Romney needs to use the economy to discuss the inept handling of consular security in Benghazi and the Arab Spring in general, as well as Operation Fast and Furious, to show that the entire administration has run off the rails. That will negate Obama’s blame-Bush-and-Republicans defense for the economy, and strengthen Romney’s case that Obama simply doesn’t have the executive talent for his current position.

Actually, it will be interesting to see whether Romney has to force the issue of Benghazi into the debate.  The announced topic is domestic policy, but BuzzFeed’s Michael Hastings reported yesterday that the moderator, PBS’ Jim Lehrer, has all the leeway he needs to go beyond the announced agenda:

According to the Commission on Presidential Debates, tomorrow’s moderator, PBS anchor Jim Lehrer, has the leeway to ask any questions he wants — including topics dominating the headlines, as Libya is now.

“We don’t have any say in what the moderator asks whatsoever,” the spokesperson for the Presidential Debate Commission Bob Roy told BuzzFeed. “The only rule for the debates is that the moderator decides what is asked.”

A spokeswoman for Lehrer, Anne Bell, told BuzzFeed in an email that “the overall debate topic is domestic policy” but that “when Jim Lehrer announced the general topics for the debate he did indicate that is was subject to change in the event news warranted.”

I’d expect that to come early in the debate, either through Lehrer or through Romney.  Will Barack Obama be prepared for that?  Supposedly he’s shirking his debate prep in Nevada, and that’s not uncommon, according to the man who prepped Jimmy Carter for his disastrous debate performance against Ronald Reagan in 1980.  Samuel Popkin has written a book about incumbents and debates, and argues that incumbents get too wrapped up in sycophantic bubbles to prepare properly for debates — and have little stomach for practice, too:

Samuel Popkin, a political-science professor at the University of California (San Diego), advised three Democratic nominees before their debates. He was brought to Camp David in 1980 to play the role of Reagan in debate prep for Carter. Like Stockman four years later, Popkin incurred the wrath of his president, as he disclosed for the first time in his new book, The Candidate: What It Takes to Win—and Hold—the White House. Aides knew that Carter was unprepared for Reagan and ordered Popkin to “hold nothing back.” So in his very first answer, he used Reagan’s own words to pummel the president. “I could see that Carter was bewildered. When I spoke he would alternately feign a smile or wrinkle his nose in disgust; look away from me in embarrassment or glare at me in anger,” he wrote.

Popkin told National Journal, “I really thought the Secret Service was going to kneecap me. Carter turned red in the face and got flustered, and, after only 11 minutes he said, ‘That is enough’ and tried to call it off.”

Popkin said he had always believed that reaction was unique to Carter until he started researching his book and discovered that every incumbent resists the prep work and reacts badly to being challenged. “Nobody on staff ever questions a president’s motives and nobody around him ever challenges him,” he said, contending there is very much an “emperor-has-no-clothes” aspect for leaders who have spent four years sheltered in the protective presidential bubble and surrounded by sycophantic aides.

Then add to that resistance the fact that incumbents are almost always rusty when it comes to debating. Romney this year has spent 43 hours in 23 separate debates. Never flashy, he was solid and disciplined, clearly losing only one debate when he impulsively challenged Texas Gov. Rick Perry to make a $10,000 bet. In contrast, Obama has not debated in four years. And while he improved as a debater over the course of 2008, he stumbled far more often than Romney did this year. Obama was too often professorial and discursive and found it difficult to be concise. He promised in one debate to meet with America’s enemies with no preconditions, and in another he was seen as cruel to Hillary Rodham Clinton when he coldly assessed her likability. In his general-election debates, he was blessed with low expectations against the much more experienced John McCain.

National Journal also games out the potential domestic-policy topics that will arise, and provides a good (if necessarily brief) analysis of how each topic may play for Romney and Obama.  Andrew Malcolm analyzes the stakes, and the way candidates react to the “high wire” act:

But these debates are rarely important as individual events. Instead, taken together they provide an impressionistic narrative arc for viewers to soak up what these men are about, how they carry themselves, listen, speak under pressure.

From a living room couch, voters may ponder the unimaginable pressures at play. It’s true. They’re intense. It’s bad for staffers, worse for spouses.

But at this level of politics, the candidates I’ve seen up close actually relish the moment. They enjoy walking the high-wire. They’ve campaigned typically for years, sometimes with an audience of but one or two. Now, their every word will reach scores of millions.

And whoever said seeking the pressurized presidency should be easy? ….

The Republican needs to be aggressive without stridency, to look like he’s willing to fight for the job, which he did at times during the 220 Republican primary debates. (OK, it just seemed that way; there were ‘only’ 22).

Romney needs to confront Obama over the weeks of false ads that have given the Democrat poll leads in crucial swing states. With no economic record to run on and no second-term agenda beyond the slogan “Forward,” Obama is likely to play considerable defense. He wants to avoid any mistakes that would elevate Romney’s stature by comparison.

History shows that the debates usually result in elevated status for the challenger no matter what, thanks to the difficulty of playing defense in debates.  That’s probably going to be the case tonight as well, if Romney remains as focused and disciplined as he was in the primary debates.

Note: We’ll be covering tonight’s debate, of course, but I won’t be available to watch it live, thanks to a commitment at school this evening.  Be sure to follow Mary Katharine Ham and Erika Johnsen on Twitter for their analysis.


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First question to Mitt:

What do you think is your worst gaffe so far – your comments in London, or the 47% tape?

TarheelBen on October 3, 2012 at 2:41 PM

TarheelBen on October 3, 2012 at 2:38 PM

LOL. Ain’t that the truth !?

pambi on October 3, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Does anyone know if the audience will be allowed to clap or cheer? I’m hoping not, as I suspect the Obama team will have packed the auditorium with sycophants.

changer1701 on October 3, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Answer to your question:

there will be strict rules in place in Denver. Minow notes “we have one absolute and that is the audience will not be allowed to react with applause, or boos or jeering, or whatever. The audience must remain quiet or they’ll be thrown out of the room.”

http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/What-to-Expect-from-the-Mitt-Romney-President-Barack-Obama-Debate-in-Colorado-Wednesday-172367981.html

So those of us watching at home will have much more fun, since we are still allowed to boo and cheer as much as we want.

Enjoy your freedom to boo and cheer while you still can!

wren on October 3, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Here are the topics I’ll be holding my breath on when Mitt answers:
1. Obamacare/Romneycare
2. 47%
3. Immigration

Mitsouko on October 3, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Romney should be practicing to make all his hard-question answers indictments on Obama. Gov. Christie did this artfully over the weekend on Meet the Press and other morning shows. If Romney has one minute to answer a question, he needs to spend 55 seconds hammering the president, and then answer with a good-sounding generality at the end.

The Bringer on October 3, 2012 at 2:48 PM

“Isn’t that what you said four years ago?”

I’m hoping that’ll be Romney’s mantra.

InDubly on October 3, 2012 at 2:49 PM

First question to Mitt:

What do you think is your worst gaffe so far – your comments in London, or the 47% tape?

TarheelBen on October 3, 2012 at 2:41 PM

The fact is Romney questioned the security in London and he was right as protesters got through security and several security guards were undertrained, the realized this during the first few days of the Olympic games.

The 47% ststement is true, there are 47% of Americans NOT paying federal taxes, Romney was right again.

Why do you not want 47% of Americans to pay their FAIR SHARE?
Obowma wants everyone to pay their fair share, why not those 47% pay up?

Q: Who has led the country the past years? If a leader FAILS as badly as Obowma, has why hire him for 4 mor years? If he inherited a mess and could not fix it, FIRE HIM and elect a man that specializes in economic turnarounds: Romney.

dthorny on October 3, 2012 at 2:52 PM

That’s the ticket, mocking the TV guys will really make him look presidential. \

Priscilla on October 3, 2012 at 2:01 PM

That’s right. And don’t forget it. Obama is only a figurehead for the forces Romney is really running against. If Romney can take on the media tonight, in artful fashion, he WINS.

Of course to the RINO, losing decorously is always more “presidential.”

rrpjr on October 3, 2012 at 2:59 PM

dthorny on October 3, 2012 at 2:52 PM

I agree with you. I was just trying to think like the media.

TarheelBen on October 3, 2012 at 3:00 PM

On the downside, Bark’s first question will be: “Mr. President who has managed our nation through the difficult times created by warmonger Bush, do you think that a super rich, cancer-spreading, women-hating racist like your ugly opponent there on stage can actually do anything right other than put people out of their jobs?”

Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 1:56 PM

No, I think Lehrer will ask a reasonable question about the recovery, and where do we go from here.

It’s the follow-up questions and snide remarks that Lehrer will deploy to take Obama’s side.

matthew8787 on October 3, 2012 at 3:02 PM

No boos, jeering or cheering helps Romney and hurts Obama, because the leftists are always rude and obnoxious — and usually get away with it

matthew8787 on October 3, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Heh, you bet Lehter gave Obama campaign the questions long time abo….

jimver on October 3, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Team Romney unveils online rapid response ahead of debate
By Alicia M. Cohn – 10/03/12 01:54 PM ET
Mitt Romney’s campaign on Wednesday unveiled its rapid response strategy ahead of the evening’s first presidential debate.

With the presidential campaigns no longer relying on press releases via email to counter arguments being made in real time on the debate stage, the Romney campaign’s response strategy includes a new website, real-time updates on Twitter and Tumblr and a nationally promoted hashtag.

The Romney campaign plans to tweet through @RomneyResponse, using the blogging platform Tumblr for longer responses and counter-arguments.

The campaign has also set up a new website specifically to act as a hub for their its response at Debates.MittRomney.com.

matthew8787 on October 3, 2012 at 3:10 PM

On the downside, Bark’s first question will be: “Mr. President who has managed our nation through the difficult times created by warmonger Bush, do you think that a super rich, cancer-spreading, women-hating racist like your ugly opponent there on stage can actually do anything right other than put people out of their jobs?”

Bishop on October 3, 2012 at 1:56 PM

I disagree with ‘ugly’ opponent’ though…’science’ begs to differ :)

jimver on October 3, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Please Mitt, resist the urge to ask Obama if he has any Grey Puopon. And no more $10,000 bets. Keep your thoughts “simple” and “down-to-earth”. Talk about your humble upbringings like when you had to sell stock in your Daddy’s company just to make ends meet at your elite universities. Talk about your war experiences (I am sure you have some great croissant stories). Blame the media if you feel yourself floundering. Sing “O Beautiful” if it feels right. This is your time to shine!

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 3:16 PM

oups, linky not working, will try again…

jimver on October 3, 2012 at 3:21 PM

All Romney has to do I believe is look presidential as well as be a leader. I think he needs to ask Obama of he knows how much a gallon of milk is? What the avg grocery bill is for a family of 4

I also believe anything Obama says about heading in the right direction on the economy is a softball hit pit the park rebuttal. Rebuttal being 48 million on food stamps, 20% unemployment, no growth of small business.

If Obama hits him on the 47% Romney should rebuttal about him not caring about suburbs and obliviously Obama complaining about 9-11 getting money and not New Orleans because of race.

Conservative4ev on October 3, 2012 at 3:22 PM

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 3:16 PM

shut up, moocher…

jimver on October 3, 2012 at 3:22 PM

I have to admit, I have not seen very many interviews with Romney, but I have never seen him appear flustered, even answering hostile questions from obviously hostile interviewers. Watching Obama navigate around the Univision interview was uncomfortable. Romney just has to be firm and direct on some uncomfortable truths and Obama may look flustered. Obama hasn’t had to publicly deal with direct opposition in four years, Romney is awash in it every day. Maybe that biased media have been helping Romney these last months in ways they were unaware of.

mojowt on October 3, 2012 at 3:25 PM

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 3:16 PM

shut up, moocher…

jimver on October 3, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Ignore him obliviously he has an IQ of a slug, second little does he know Romney gave all his dad’s money he left to charity so zippy can live in his cardboard box and collect food stamps

Conservative4ev on October 3, 2012 at 3:26 PM

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 3:16 PM

shut up, moocher…

jimver on October 3, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Ignore him obliviously he has an IQ of a slug, second little does he know Romney gave all his dad’s money he left to charity so zippy can live in his cardboard box and collect food stamps

Conservative4ev on October 3, 2012 at 3:26 PM

The true sign of a small intellect — resulting to name-calling. I pay a higher tax-rate than Romney. Patriotic Americans like me who pay their taxes won’t vote for the tax dodger.

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 3:16 PM

This is what tonight’s debate thread is going to look like. The trolls will be out in force–hanging passionately on their precious Obama’s every word, calling his every comment a knockout punch.

They will be here only to argue and distract from the debate itself, defending their guy and maybe declaring him the winner after his first, “Uhhh…” Their minds are already made up and their tactics are easily anticipated.

“Every day under Obama is like a day on the farm! Every free meal is a banquet; every welfare check a fortune. I love Obama!”**
Love,
The trolls

(**And with my apologies to Sgt. Apone)

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 3:39 PM

I would say that Mitt should always challenge the premise of a question.

For example, when the Obama lickspittle moderator asks “Governor Romney, given that you are cold, heartless plutocrat who would like nothing more than to see old woman and orphans starving in the streets, what is your opinion on the Federal Reserve?” he should quickly challenge that image of him.

OK, my example is a bit of an exaggeration. Or is it?

Nick_Angel on October 3, 2012 at 3:41 PM

The true sign of a small intellect — resulting to name-calling. I pay a higher tax-rate than Romney. Patriotic Americans like me who pay their taxes won’t vote for the tax dodger.

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM

hahahahahaa :-)…and where do you file from, your momma’s basement, though I doubt you even know how a tax form looks like…get out of here troll, you have the credibility of a damp rag…patriotic moochers like you are happy to have others pay for your condoms and cell phones :-)….

jimver on October 3, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Obama hasn’t had to publicly deal with direct opposition in four years

Obama has never been significantly challenged, period. Ever.

matthew8787 on October 3, 2012 at 3:51 PM

The true sign of a small intellect — resulting to name-calling. I pay a higher tax-rate than Romney. Patriotic Americans like me who pay their taxes won’t vote for the tax dodger.

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Let us know at what age your lifetime tax liability will reach the 1.9 Million that Romney paid last year alone.

weaselyone on October 3, 2012 at 4:00 PM

The true sign of a small intellect — resulting to name-calling. I pay a higher tax-rate than Romney. Patriotic Americans like me who pay their taxes won’t vote for the tax dodger.

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Let us know at what age your lifetime tax liability will reach the 1.9 Million that Romney paid last year alone.

weaselyone on October 3, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Only the low-information democratics can attack Governor Romney for paying more taxes than were due while also calling him a ‘tax dodger’.

slickwillie2001 on October 3, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Obama has never been significantly challenged, period. Ever.

matthew8787 on October 3, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Actually, there were two other instances where he was. But he somehow managed to get hold of sealed court records of his opponents’ divorces. One dropped out, giving Obama the default win. In the other, the records were so damaging to the guy’s (horrid) character Obama won handily.

I do agree with your assertion in full. I’m just adding a small addendum that Romney has no sealed dirt O can use on him, and that has to be frustrating the living daylights out of the O campaign.

Another thing I’m forced to wonder is why no one ever questioned how Obama managed to legally get hold of those previously-sealed records.

Just a few further ideas, if you please.

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 4:07 PM

hahahahahaa :-)…and where do you file from, your momma’s basement, though I doubt you even know how a tax form looks like…get out of here troll, you have the credibility of a damp rag…patriotic moochers like you are happy to have others pay for your condoms and cell phones :-)….

jimver on October 3, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Since you asked, I file from my recently paid off house. I just paid off the $180,000 mortgage and now am continuing to pay off the $150,000 HELOC that is currently at about a 2.25% interest rate. I use H&R Tax Cut to complete my taxes. It can be confusing sometimes due to the selling of stocks and some stock options. The stock market has shot through the roof since Obama got into office so my investments have done very well. You do have to be ready to dump your stocks in a heartbeat though – a 5-8% correction is coming in the next 6 months. Since I have an in-demand engineering degree, jobs are plentiful.

I just wish tax dodgers like Romney would be more patriotic and pay their taxes like I do. They could lower everyone’s taxes if there were less of these tax cheats around.

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 4:08 PM

To describe one candidate or the other as going to win this debate is ridiculous. First, it’s not a debate in any true sense of the word, but rather an question and answer session. Second, it will be watched almost entirely by people who have already made up their minds one way or the other. Any partisan viewer is simply going to support their candidate no matter what the other candidate says.

With that being said, Obama has a lot more to lose tonight than Romney. Neither candidate is likely to make a huge blunder that will move the needle much one way or the other with their core voters. Instead, the battle is for Romney to appear to be a reasonable alternative to Obama to those watching who are weak Obama supporters. People who may have given Obama the benefit of the doubt in 2008, but now have a serious case of buyers remorse with their vote. If Romney can continue to peel those weak Obama voters, mission accomplished.

I’m of the opinion that the great majority of people who have decided to vote for Romney already are pretty secure in their support. On the other hand, I feel that at least 10% of Obama’s voters are weak in their support. They certainly don’t like Obama’s economy, but they are unsure whether Romney is any more likely to start fixing the problems than Obama. To the degree Romney can appear Presidential to those people, Romney wins and Obama looses.

mpthompson on October 3, 2012 at 4:09 PM

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 4:08 PM

b.s.

kingsjester on October 3, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Another thing I’m forced to wonder is why no one ever questioned how Obama managed to legally get hold of those previously-sealed records.

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Obama didn’t get hold of the sealed records. His allies in the media did so Obama could keep his hands clean of the dirty work and never have to answer such a question.

mpthompson on October 3, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Let us know at what age your lifetime tax liability will reach the 1.9 Million that Romney paid last year alone.

weaselyone on October 3, 2012 at 4:00 PM

The lame comedy that liberals with class envy use is the percentage rate. Maybe they should get a better accountant, then?

You’re totally right, and liblets don’t want to see past the talking points.

Another gauge of who is ‘the better patriot/taxpayer’, to me, is: How much actual cash went to government from Mitt vs. the accuser? I mean, government doesn’t take ‘percentage rates’ as currency. The coin of the realm is dollars, and Mitt sends more of them to Washington than the liblets who complain about numbers that don’t translate into actual results.

You might be on to something here…

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 4:13 PM

This should be easy for Romney – his focus should be “…yes you inherited a tough situation, unfortunately for American’s you weren’t up to the job, Bill Clinton said so”.

Tater Salad on October 3, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Mitt’s number one mission tonight:

Make more people want to have a beer with him.

It’s sad, but if you look back, the candidate that people would most want to have a beer with usually wins these things.

TarheelBen on October 3, 2012 at 4:20 PM

just wish tax dodgers like Romney would be more patriotic and pay their taxes like I do. They could lower everyone’s taxes if there were less of these tax cheats around.

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 4:08 PM

1.9 Million in taxes last year. Romney has to be the worst cheater in the world.

If he cheats and pays 1.9 Million in taxes, and I don’t cheat and pay 30,000, that means in approximately 63 years I will have paid my “fair share” in comparison to Romney. This is strictly the argument on income, investments, and capital gains. I could imagine that if we included state and local taxes (sales, occupation, etc) it would take even longer to reach what Mitt paid in one year alone.

I will however concede that I pay higher Sin Taxes than Romney (tobacco and alcohol). Romney doesn’t smoke or drink though, but you would argue that he still isn’t paying his fair share.

weaselyone on October 3, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Mitt’s number one mission tonight:

Make more people want to have a beer with him.

It’s sad, but if you look back, the candidate that people would most want to have a beer with usually wins these things.

TarheelBen on October 3, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Mitt doesn’t drink…

weaselyone on October 3, 2012 at 4:22 PM

I just wish tax dodgers like Romney would be more patriotic and pay their taxes like I do.

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Needs no comment.

Cleombrotus on October 3, 2012 at 4:22 PM

There’s a rumor that Romney will touch his nose every time Obama tells a lie.

Romney can win easily if the rumor is true. First, it would drive Obama to distraction. Eventually, Obama will say something, like, “Something wrong with your nose?”

Romney can reply, “No, but there’s something wrong with yours. It has gotten 2 feet longer since the debate started.”

Game over.

The Rogue Tomato on October 3, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Romney:

“I made the remark about 47% of the people being motivated by handouts since I had been listening to my opponent’s speeches and he had me wanting to qualify for a freebie!”

IlikedAUH2O on October 3, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Obama: I inherited the worst economy since the great depression.

Romney: No, Reagan inherited double digit inflation, unemployment and interest rates. Reagan turned it around with free market principles.

Obama: We can’t return to the failed policies that got us into this mess in the first place.

Romney:
True; That is why I am abandoning the socialist policies of the Neighborhood Reinvestment Act pushed by Obama and Clinton and returning to the free market principles that created the longest economic expansion in more than a century.

Obama: I have created or saved 4 million jobs.

Romney: Mr. President, you must be using the new math. There is no way to accurately measure jobs saved. Experts now tell us that the economy is headed for a deep recession if we don’t do something about taxmagedon. I see no action.

Obama: I will create 12 million new jobs in the next four years. That is guaranteed!

Romney: If you knew how to do that, why haven’t you already done it? The first step in creating jobs is to stop destroying them.
880 Chrysler dealership closed.
12 coal mines closed.
5 coal fired generating plants closed with 43.5 gigawatts of generating capacity slated for closure in the next two years.

Mr. President, you have caused more unemployment than employment.
_______________________

Talk about a target rich environment.

The Rock on October 3, 2012 at 4:25 PM

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 3:16 PM

At least someone along the line worked and earned the money and honors Mitt holds.

And he donated daddy’s money to BYU, I believe.

IlikedAUH2O on October 3, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Mitt doesn’t drink…

weaselyone on October 3, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Then he needs to make people wish he did, so they could have a beer with him. ;-)

TarheelBen on October 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Then he needs to make people wish he did, so they could have a beer with him. ;-)

TarheelBen on October 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM

That made me laugh. Excellent point!

weaselyone on October 3, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Trolls are makin up stuff again to protect the SCFOAMF that we got now.

President Downgrade knows nothing about running a business.

Obama is worse than CARTER.

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 4:30 PM

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Not to try starting an argument or getting involved with your private life. But…

Why are you so worried about Romney? You have marketable skills, you claim (and I won’t question your word), while Obama can’t match you. You’re also a One-percenter according to OWS and Obama. I bet you live in a suburb, too–not in the inner city.

Obama, and as echoed by Rosanne Barr (who is worth $50 million), believe there comes a point when people ‘have enough money’.

You’re ‘the enemy’ to Obama and to many of his supporters.

I wonder why you back him. (and, no–I don’t want a public answer…I ask only for your own head)

PS–I can’t match your claimed skills and income, and never will. But I have NO malice for the wealth you claim. Good for you! As your wealth and gaining more doesn’t affect or steal from my life, why should you say that Mitt’s circumstance somehow damage yours?

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Bill Clinton got us into 9/11/01 and Hillary got us into 9/11/12

They ignore terror threats when ever possible.

They kissed Arafats azz too.

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

They kissed Arafats azz too.

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Arafat…Even on his best days, he looked like Ringo Starr after 12 day bender.

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 4:38 PM

IS THIS REAL?

‘Leaked Memo Reveals Post-Debate WH Messaging’

http://acahnman.blogspot.com/2012/10/exclusive-leaked-memo-reveals-post_2.html

Pork-Chop on October 3, 2012 at 4:38 PM

1.9 Million in taxes last year. Romney has to be the worst cheater in the world.

If he cheats and pays 1.9 Million in taxes, and I don’t cheat and pay 30,000, that means in approximately 63 years I will have paid my “fair share” in comparison to Romney. This is strictly the argument on income, investments, and capital gains. I could imagine that if we included state and local taxes (sales, occupation, etc) it would take even longer to reach what Mitt paid in one year alone.

I will however concede that I pay higher Sin Taxes than Romney (tobacco and alcohol). Romney doesn’t smoke or drink though, but you would argue that he still isn’t paying his fair share.

weaselyone on October 3, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Romney paid 6.2 million in taxes on 42 million in income over the past two years at a rate of about 14%. Most of his income came from capital gains on equities. Romney must have 1/2 billion or more in equities. Romney “owns” more of the country than I do so he should pay more of the burden. The companies he “owns” use the public roads a lot more than the companies I “own”. We can argue whether a flat tax is the fairest, but the richest should not pay a lower percentage of their income in taxes than people in lower income brackets.

Romney paid a lower tax rate from day one because his Bain Capital salary was not considered salary but was called “carried interest”. This is a tax loophole that .00001% of Americans can use. I bet even Romney in private would agree that this loophole should go away. Romney also created special stock options at Bain that were designed to avoid tax liabilities. That’s how he has $100 million dollar IRAs and his kids have a $100 million dollar trust fund.

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Not sure I buy into the beer thing. Voting for someone who will get busy honestly trying to work on the pressing problems of this nation would be refreshing change. Romney already has my vote, but I’m still not even sure if he’s the one to do this.

I don’t think Romney needs to talk in details as the trolls here demand (although they don’t demand the same from Obama). Instead, Mitt should talk about what principles he’ll apply to accomplish his goals. Good old fashioned conservative principles that have formed the core greatness of this country over the last 230 years.

mpthompson on October 3, 2012 at 4:43 PM

IS THIS REAL?

Pork-Chop on October 3, 2012 at 4:38 PM

99.9% sure it’s satire, but the best satire has a nugget of truth in it.

mpthompson on October 3, 2012 at 4:45 PM

IS THIS REAL?

‘Leaked Memo Reveals Post-Debate WH Messaging’

http://acahnman.blogspot.com/2012/10/exclusive-leaked-memo-reveals-post_2.html

Pork-Chop on October 3, 2012 at 4:38 PM

I say no, but not far off the mark.

Mitsouko on October 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

They kissed Arafats azz too.

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Arafat…Even on his best days, he looked like Ringo Starr after 12 day bender.

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Lool :) This must be the funniest thing I’ve read on a thread today…

jimver on October 3, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Forget the beer, Mitt should be someone you would trust with your life savings. Which I would, in a heartbeat.

Mitsouko on October 3, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Patriotic Americans like me who pay their taxes won’t vote for the tax dodger.

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM

So are the 47% of Americans who don’t pay taxes unpatriotic? Ouch.

monalisa on October 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Yawn…you and your class envy alas, again, troll…well, maybe if you actually worked as hard and smart as romney to put something in your kids trust funds, instead of sitting on your azz and taking from the govt with both hands, that jealousy wouldn’t eat you from the inside out like it does…go, work something, stop wasting our time and the tax payer dollars trolling here…you might be thinking that axelturd is paying you, but that one and his ilk and the One they serve never use a si gle cent oftneir dollars, it’s always other people’s….

jimver on October 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

It can be confusing sometimes due to the selling of stocks and some stock options. The stock market has shot through the roof since Obama got into office so my investments have done very well. You do have to be ready to dump your stocks in a heartbeat though – a 5-8% correction is coming in the next 6 months. Since I have an in-demand engineering degree, jobs are plentiful.

You do realize this would be investment income…so you should be paying the same rate as Romney on this income. Do you give 30% of it to charity?

monalisa on October 3, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Patriotic Americans like me who pay their taxes won’t vote for the tax dodger.

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM

So are the 47% of Americans who don’t pay taxes unpatriotic? Ouch.

monalisa on October 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM

The only taxes that one has ever paid in his life are proly alcohol taxes :)… Judging by his comments here, a looooot of alcohol taxes :)…

jimver on October 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

So are the 47% of Americans who don’t pay taxes unpatriotic? Ouch.

monalisa on October 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Liberal arguments almost invariably fail on their own limited conditions, and on their own self-presumed merits and ‘higher morality’.

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Put simply: This race has just begun. – Jay Cost, October 03, 2012

MONDAY SEPr 17, 1787: IN CONVENTION

Doctr. FRANKLIN looking towards the Presidents Chair, at the back of which a rising sun happened to be painted, observed to a few members near him, that Painters had found it difficult to distinguish in their art a rising from a setting sun. I have said he, often and often in the course of the Session, and the vicisitudes of my hopes and fears as to its issue, looked at that behind the President without being able to tell whether it was rising or setting: But now at length I have the happiness to know that it is a rising and not a setting Sun – James Madison, The Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787

Yes, it was also Ben Franklin who– when asked by a woman at the conclusion of the constitutional convention what kind of government the framers had given to the American people– presciently admonished: “A republic, madam, if you can keep it.”

But I’m going with the optimistic Dr. Franklin. Nothing has happened since the beginning of summer to convice me that Obama cannot be defeated. The polls, predictably have begun to tighten, and Jay Cost declares on October 3rd, 5 weeks out, that the race has just begun. Romney has more than a fighting chance to win if we are motivated enough to give him the victory. But we need to stay focused and motivated– and above all we need to vote. And get out the vote to defeat Obama.

In the spirit of Dr. Franklin– “ It is a rising and not a setting Sun”– herewith a musical motivator, first and signature theme of a series of musical sunrises up to election day:

Music Cue No. 1: “MOUNTAIN TOP AND SUNRISE,” Journey to the Center of the Earth Suite from the film score by Bernard Hermann

One of the great movie music cues of all time, but if you look at the link you’re going to see Pat Boone. So, instead, try closing your eyes, just listening, and visualizing something like…

EXT. ELECTION DAY – DAWN

Music 00:00 – 00:31 Faint light in the east. A TRUMPET CALL. Reveille. A Call to Arms. A Call to Battle echoes across the faded landscape.

Music 00:34 – 00:50 Dawn. Harp arpeggios signal the brightening sky, and the land begins to stir.

Music 00:50 – 01:30 Sunrise. A melodic line begins in the low winds, rising with the sun, first light spilling down the purple mountain majesties and across the fruited plane. From homes and farms and cities the people are moving, trickling into their polling places. As the music rises and swells in volume, the trickle of voters becomes a stream, then a swelling current, and finally as the music crescendos to a climax, an overwhelming flood voters, and

Music 01:30 – 01:50 Blinding rays of the sun rip through the veil of the heavens. Great crashing chords announce the Obamalypse. Obamageddon. A spectacle of awe and power as the soulless Obama regime collapses in on itself, brought down by the vote of the people. The phony Greek columns topple into a heap of ruins. Think of the end of the poem “Renascence”:

The soul can split the sky in two,
And let the face of God shine through.
But East and West will pinch the heart
That can not keep them pushed apart;
And he whose soul is flat — the sky
Will cave in on him by and by.”

Of course, your visualization may vary. Or, you can just watch Pat Boone.

This election is about which side turns out to vote. And for the nation, it is a rising sun.

de rigueur on October 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM

You do realize this would be investment income…so you should be paying the same rate as Romney on this income. Do you give 30% of it to charity?

monalisa on October 3, 2012 at 4:58 PM

He’s probably at the receiving end of Romney’s charity :).. and not only Romney’s…

jimver on October 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Some interesting, and excellent news to share with you all.

I have friends in Princeton, NJ, who are academics. They tell me today that they’ve been seeing some Mitt Romney bumper stickers as they drive back and forth to campus.

If a bluer than blue stronghold like Princeton is sporting even a few Romney bumper stickers, its an amazingly good sign for Romney.

Also, I couldn’t help chuckling as I thought of the consternation each and every one of those bumper stickers causes Van Jones and the other progressive extremists who haunt dear old Princeton.

thatsafactjack on October 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Actually, there were two other instances where he was. But he somehow managed to get hold of sealed court records of his opponents’ divorces. One dropped out, giving Obama the default win. In the other, the records were so damaging to the guy’s (horrid) character Obama won handily.

I do agree with your assertion in full. I’m just adding a small addendum that Romney has no sealed dirt O can use on him, and that has to be frustrating the living daylights out of the O campaign.

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 4:07 PM

You are correct, of course. I meant that Obama has never been seriously challenged, because the field had been repeatedly, corruptly cleared for him, mostly by MSM reporters and their sources who illegally leaked sealed court documents.

As to Romney: he is a Boy Scout, there is zero dirt except for the transport of a family pet.

matthew8787 on October 3, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Romney needs to put forth his plan and he can do this by attacking Obama’s policies.
Gas Prices: Romney needs to hit Obama on his crony giveaways to solar companies that have since gone broke and then explain how he will accelerate our domestic oil production in a safe way. He needs to explain how gas prices affect everything we buy and tie it back to the economy as a whole.
Health Care: Romney needs to hit Obama on his health care plan that forces the poorest Americans, who have no health care, to buy health insurance or be taxed. He then needs to explain how the provisions of Obamacare has hurt the economy as a whole.

Romney needs to do this with every issue. Compare Obama’s results with his plan and say how he will do it better. Romney needs to dispute Clinton’s BS about how nobody could have done better than Obama.

Dollayo on October 3, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Some interesting, and excellent news to share with you all.

I have friends in Princeton, NJ, who are academics. They tell me today that they’ve been seeing some Mitt Romney bumper stickers as they drive back and forth to campus.

If a bluer than blue stronghold like Princeton is sporting even a few Romney bumper stickers, its an amazingly good sign for Romney.

Also, I couldn’t help chuckling as I thought of the consternation each and every one of those bumper stickers causes Van Jones and the other progressive extremists who haunt dear old Princeton.

thatsafactjack on October 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Saturday I went to the cherry hill mall to get my mom a Mac. I saw 1 Romney sticker , an O Shi$ sticker.
1 Obama Biden sticker

Conservative4ev on October 3, 2012 at 5:08 PM

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Your arguments are becoming more and more ridiculous.
The companies Romney owns also pay taxes prior to the “owners” receiving their share. Staples for example pays an effective rate between 30 and 40%. Then Romney being an “owner” is paid after those taxes have been paid by the business, hence the lower rate on the money that has alrady been taxed. We could go ahead and include all of the taxes Romney owned “businesses” paid in addition to what he personally pays, but it wouldn’t help your argument now would it?

While we can argue the merits of a flat tax, you cannot continue to argue the point that Romney and his investments do not do more for the coffers of the federal government than you or I.

After this most recent comment it is apparent to me that you simply dislike people who are more successful than you, despite your self claimed good education, investment portfolio, and job prospects. Your class envy is oozing throughout that last post.

You are not interested in fairness. You are not interested in solving our debt problems. You are only interested in getting what someone else has, or not letting them have it either.

weaselyone on October 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Only FB folks even discussing the debate tonight are some libs.
“Why bother ??” Their minds are made up.
Even though they’re ALSO the ones who complain that Romney hasn’t explained why they should vote for him.
ROFLMAO.

pambi on October 3, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Drudge has up that Michelle is nervous about the debate. What garbage. They’re setting Romney up.
Because they can’t really debate Romney on a single issue, they’ve probably got something planned.
Come up with some kind of wild accusations out of left field to throw off the whole debate. Obama will say he tried to defend the embassy but the WH now has proof that Romney flew over there in an old SR-71 to conspire with the terrorists and burn American flags or something.
Romney better not do a McCain tonight. That’s all I’ve got to say.

JellyToast on October 3, 2012 at 5:10 PM

I meant that Obama has never been seriously challenged, because the field had been repeatedly, corruptly cleared for him, mostly by MSM reporters and their sources who illegally leaked sealed court documents.

As to Romney: he is a Boy Scout, there is zero dirt except for the transport of a family pet.

matthew8787 on October 3, 2012 at 5:03 PM

I kinda figured you knew so I took it for an opening, of sorts.

But I have this bug, you see: I find sport in tweaking liberal noses. ;-)

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Not mocking, but definitely pointing to it in some fashion. Gingrich was good at it.

Why act as if your enemy’s not the one framing the debate?

Cleombrotus on October 3, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Gingrich was excellent at it. And I think that Romney can, in his own way, choose to reframe the question and give his own answer.

But this is not a primary debate…firing up the media-hating right is not what will win him any points tonight, and he would be a fool to mock or alienate the moderator.

I agree he needs to take control,if necessary, and I think that he will do that.

Priscilla on October 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Clint Eastwood’s “empty chair” is the reason the candidates have to stand for the entire debate.

weaselyone on October 3, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Also, I couldn’t help chuckling as I thought of the consternation each and every one of those bumper stickers causes Van Jones and the other progressive extremists who haunt dear old Princeton.

thatsafactjack on October 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Was van jones educated at Princeton??? Was that before or after he was arrested for participating in the ‘peaceful’ rodney king protest? ? Guess affirnative action has longer reach than I thought…

jimver on October 3, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Tonight, Mitt Romney has the opportunity to change the trajectory of this race against Barack Obama in the first of three presidential debates.

Romney’s trajectory is just fine, thank you. You can go along with the delusional turnout models that so many opinion polls rely on, but you are only functioning as on of the media’s useful idiots by doing so. The fact is that this race is Mitt’s to lose. In all of the polls, when one looks at their sampling, Obama fails to exceed the Democratic skew in projected turnout. A perceptive observer would be asking what Obama will try do to change the trajectory of this race, because he is behind and trending downward.

If one buys the absurd notion that D’s will out show R’s by the margins of 2008 the results STILL show Mitt within the margin of error. The absurdity of that assumption, of course, is that Obama now has a record, the unpopular Bush is not in the WH and his opponent is not Senator Neo-Con John.

All one needs to do, is look at Mitt’s commanding and growing lead among independent voters. He is up by close to double digits in this group nationally and in the swing states. Obama, having failed to paint Mitt as Snidely Whiplash, has gone on to pretending that he is the real tax cutting, budget slashing fiscal con in this race. His efforts are desperate and well beyond risible.

Willard Mitt Romney, the 45th President of the United States of America!

MJBrutus on October 3, 2012 at 5:15 PM

thatsafactjack on October 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Thanks for the scoop. We need to keep up a steady surveillance on the Donks cause they mess up everything they touch.

SparkPlug on October 3, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Willard Mitt Romney, the 45th President of the United States of America!

MJBrutus on October 3, 2012 at 5:15 PM

From your mouth to God’s ears

What time is the debate anyways 9 est?

Conservative4ev on October 3, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Remember Mitt blowing John King from CNN out of the water during one of the GOP debates:

JOHN KING, CNN: Governor Romney?

MITT ROMNEY: We’ve got to restore America’s promise in this country, where people know that with hard work and education that they’re going to be secure and prosperous and that their kids will have a brighter future than they’ve had.

For that to happen we’re going to have to have dramatic fundamental change in Washington, D.C. We’re going to have to create more jobs, have less debt, and shrink the size of government. I’m the only person in this race…

KING: Is there a misconception about you? The question is the misconception.

ROMNEY: You know, you get to ask the questions you want, I get to give the answers I want.

KING: Fair enough.

That is the Romney that needs to show up.

weaselyone on October 3, 2012 at 5:19 PM

moderator, PBS’ Jim Lehrer, has all the leeway he needs to go beyond the announced agenda:

“So, Mr. Romney, when did you stop beating your wife?”

Well…all the political equivalents of that.

squint on October 3, 2012 at 5:19 PM

I just wish tax dodgers like Romney would be more patriotic and pay their taxes like I do. They could lower everyone’s taxes if there were less of these tax cheats around.

ZippyZ

It’s bad enough that you’re such a huge liar, but do you have to be so dumb about it?

I use H&R Tax Cut to complete my taxes. It can be confusing sometimes due to the selling of stocks and some stock options. The stock market has shot through the roof since Obama got into office so my investments have done very well.

So, you’re paying the capital gains rate then. That makes you a tax cheat. Why are you a tax dodger, you tax cheat? Stop being an unpatriotic tax cheat and start paying your fair share, moocher.

Scratch my earlier question….it’s pretty clear you can’t help being so dumb, lol.

xblade on October 3, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Is this right ??
Only half-heard that each will have a period of time for an answer, then, they’ll ‘discuss’ ??

pambi on October 3, 2012 at 5:23 PM

squint on October 3, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Mister President, could you use some more ice in your drink?

MJBrutus on October 3, 2012 at 5:23 PM

“So, Mr. Romney, when did you stop beating your wife?”

Well…all the political equivalents of that.

squint

Romney: The day Obama started molesting his children. ;)

xblade on October 3, 2012 at 5:23 PM

moderator, PBS’ Jim Lehrer, has all the leeway he needs to go beyond the announced agenda:

“So, Mr. Romney, when did you stop beating your wife?”

Well…all the political equivalents of that.

squint on October 3, 2012 at 5:19 PM

That, plus he probably gave all the questions to the obama campaign long time ago…bama probably has the short and the long answer versions to all of them…the context will determine which one he will use :)…

jimver on October 3, 2012 at 5:26 PM

xblade on October 3, 2012 at 5:22 PM

The cap gains tax only applies to long term gains, so he may or may not be paying that rate.

What the pinhead fails to understand is that market valuations are up as a result of a monetary bubble. Nor does he understand that the market is not the economy, which is skirting the very edge of recession. Furthermore he is too dumb to see that it is Obama’s (and Bernanke’s who Obama has encouraged) who are pampering the rich by juicing the markets. He is practicing the very kind of policy he loves to rail against, TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS! The strategy is to produce a wealth effect among the affluent through stock equity inflation in the hopes that they will be encouraged to consume more and have their wealth trickle down. Obama is the very politician he claims to hate the most.

MJBrutus on October 3, 2012 at 5:28 PM

“So, Mr. Romney, when did you stop beating your wife?”

Well…all the political equivalents of that.

squint

Romney: The day Obama started molesting his children. ;)

xblade on October 3, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Violence shich in turn is related to his childhood trauma of having been force-fed dog meat by lolo :)…

jimver on October 3, 2012 at 5:29 PM

‘Which in turn’ that is….

jimver on October 3, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Not to try starting an argument or getting involved with your private life. But…

Why are you so worried about Romney? You have marketable skills, you claim (and I won’t question your word), while Obama can’t match you. You’re also a One-percenter according to OWS and Obama. I bet you live in a suburb, too–not in the inner city.

Obama, and as echoed by Rosanne Barr (who is worth $50 million), believe there comes a point when people ‘have enough money’.

You’re ‘the enemy’ to Obama and to many of his supporters.

I wonder why you back him. (and, no–I don’t want a public answer…I ask only for your own head)

PS–I can’t match your claimed skills and income, and never will. But I have NO malice for the wealth you claim. Good for you! As your wealth and gaining more doesn’t affect or steal from my life, why should you say that Mitt’s circumstance somehow damage yours?

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

I appreciate your honest question, and I will answer honestly. If you see one of my posts before, Romany’s income at Bain got preferential tax treatment over the income of people with normal jobs. That is not fair and should change. I do resent that part of the tax code. Half of my posts here are for comedic value so I may come across as wackier than I am.

I live in a very diverse community. It is an upscale community but it is 6 blocks from drug dealers and gunshots.

I do not think I am the enemy to Obama. I am also voting against the Republicans more than I am voting for Obama.

Here is why:

1. Social Issues – I will never vote Republican until they kick the socons out. The libertarians have it right.
2. Tax Issues: get rid of loopholes, raise the taxes on the rich a couple of percent, and broaden the base (yes…47% not paying taxes is too high)
3. Health Care – Obama-care should be better….but I agree with the foundation. You guys know the Obama-care was what the conservatives wanted when Hilliary-care was proposed?
4. How about lowering military spending a little?
5. Please..more regulation for the Banks. Too big to fail must be stopped.

Most of my friends are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Most vote Democrat. After this election, the Republicans will need to regroup and look at the electoral map. There are reasons why Obama is a heavy favorite. The demographics in the swing states are moving more blue very year.

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 5:31 PM

There are reasons why Obama is a heavy favorite. The demographics in the swing states are moving more blue very year.

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 5:31 PM

It must be beautiful in Pandora this time of year.

squint on October 3, 2012 at 5:35 PM

I really want to be at least moderately optimistic but am having trouble. Even if Romney wins, the press will say he lost. They’re going to beat 47% like a drum and Obama will smug it up and get away with murder. While any even vaguely off comment by Romney will be blown up huge and pushed hard from the early shows to late night tv tomorrow.

I’ve been around for many an election and this is the worst the press has ever been, imo, in terms of obvious insane bias and completely bankrupt journalistic integrity. Almost a complete black out of the Syria debacle? The assault on free speech that should have the ACLU running in the streets with their hair on fire?

kit9 on October 3, 2012 at 5:43 PM

This WILL be seen @ CSPAN.org tonight.
They say that COVERAGE begins @ 7ET … DEBATE @ 9ET.
2 hours of what ? Questions ??

Just thankful I can watch on iPad during an outdoor smoke break. ;-)

pambi on October 3, 2012 at 5:47 PM

If you see one of my posts before, Romany’s income at Bain got preferential tax treatment over the income of people with normal jobs. That is not fair and should change. I do resent that part of the tax code. Half of my posts here are for comedic value so I may come across as wackier than I am.

I live in a very diverse community. It is an upscale community but it is 6 blocks from drug dealers and gunshots.

Then you should get honest with yourself and instead get cheesed at the politician who wrote the code, not those rich folk (like Hollywood limousine liberals and champagne socialists who use it, too).

Why be ‘wackier’ than you claim you are? Making jokes and using sarcams and satire are one thing. Just an idea.

You’re six blocks from drug dealers and shooting. Then really, you’re insulated.

You’re just another rich one-percenter, in the suburbs that Obama hates.

I work in an area of my town where I could either be shot by accident, or simply because I’m white. Where I live also has dealers, druggies, and guns.

There’s really not a lot you can tell me.

Liam on October 3, 2012 at 5:47 PM

I just wish tax dodgers like Romney would be more patriotic and pay their taxes like I do. They could lower everyone’s taxes if there were less of these tax cheats around.

ZippyZ

It’s bad enough that you’re such a huge liar, but do you have to be so dumb about it?

I use H&R Tax Cut to complete my taxes. It can be confusing sometimes due to the selling of stocks and some stock options. The stock market has shot through the roof since Obama got into office so my investments have done very well.

So, you’re paying the capital gains rate then. That makes you a tax cheat. Why are you a tax dodger, you tax cheat? Stop being an unpatriotic tax cheat and start paying your fair share, moocher.

Scratch my earlier question….it’s pretty clear you can’t help being so dumb, lol.

xblade on October 3, 2012 at 5:22 PM

And I’d like to see if Zipperhead donated as much to charity as the tax cheat… or even Obumbles, some how I doubt it :)

uncommon sense on October 3, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Most of my friends are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Most vote Democrat. After this election, the Republicans will need to regroup and look at the electoral map. There are reasons why Obama is a heavy favorite. The demographics in the swing states are moving more blue very year.

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 5:31 PM

hmmm, I see we have a delusional Escapee from Bellevue
in our midst….please post supporting data to the type
in Bold above. Also, you posted on an earlier thread something
about Romney being a tax dodger..you’re welcome to expound
all you like about the man, but to have any credibility you would
need to immediately follow his name with that of Obama,
Kerry, Kennedy, Dodd….of course you did not, and you won’t.

Your Declarations are simply Delusion wrapped in Authoritarian
tripe….the same old game by the Left.

ToddPA on October 3, 2012 at 5:50 PM

I appreciate your honest question, and I will answer honestly. If you see one of my posts before, Romany’s income at Bain got preferential tax treatment over the income of people with normal jobs. That is not fair and should change. I do resent that part of the tax code. Half of my posts here are for comedic value so I may come across as wackier than I am.

ZippyZ on October 3, 2012 at 5:31 PM

May I suggest that you read this article? It is pretty straight forward and explains capital gains rather well.

uncommon sense on October 3, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Despite the presses desire to spin in the post debate talk, it will be the first time Obama has been seriously challenged…..maybe ever. It may be Douglas – Tyson, BO may not be able to take a shot. He sure runs from it when ever he is asked something he doesn’t want to answer.

Tater Salad on October 3, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Where Romney needs to go, is to challenge Obama with a bit of belittling sarcasm. You need to be careful with this, however no one thinks more of themself than BHO. He could get rattled if he feels it getting personal.

Tater Salad on October 3, 2012 at 5:58 PM

I suppose it would be too inflammatory for Mitt to ask Preezy why his twitter account subscribes to a porn account. Via twitchy.com.

Yeah, beneath Mitt.

;-)

pambi on October 3, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Where Romney needs to go, is to challenge Obama with a bit of belittling sarcasm. You need to be careful with this, however no one thinks more of themself than BHO. He could get rattled if he feels it getting personal.

Tater Salad on October 3, 2012 at 5:58 PM

I just hope that Rmoney can manage to solicit a couple of the middle fingers to the nose or face that the one is capable of :)

uncommon sense on October 3, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Tater Salad on October 3, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Good point. The thinness of Obama’s skin has become the stuff of legend. A pointed remark could well cause the empty chair to fold.

MJBrutus on October 3, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Just this every time he address Obama direct about one of his commie lies.

“Now Comrade Obama, there you go again.”

Facts piss B. Obama off.

Just do it.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 3, 2012 at 6:03 PM

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