Lockheed: Sure, we’ll keep our workers in the dark about layoffs

posted at 8:41 am on October 2, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

To quote Glenn Reynolds, they told me if I voted for John McCain that the corporations would conspire with the government to keep the working class in the dark — and they were right! Normally, Democrats would demand that companies considering layoffs tell their employees about it.  In fact, Democrats passed a law requiring corporations to do so, the WARN Act of 1988, which they passed with veto-proof majorities and which became law without then-President Ronald Reagan’s signature.

These days, they’re pressuring companies to keep quiet about layoffs that will occur when sequestration kicks in, and Lockheed has buckled:

Defense contractor Lockheed Martin heeded a request from the White House today – one with political overtones – and announced it will not issue layoff notices to thousands of employees just days before the November presidential election.

Lockheed, one of the biggest employers in the key battleground state of Virginia, previously warned it would have to issue notices to employees, required by law, due to looming defense cuts set to begin to take effect after Jan. 2 because of the failure of the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction – the so-called Super-committee, which was created to find a way to cut $1.5 trillion from the federal deficit over the next decade.

The law requires any company with 100 or more employees to provide a 60-day warning ahead of planned layoffs.  However, both the Department of Labor and OMB insisted that it didn’t apply to the sequestration issue, because no one really believes that Congress will allow the automatic cuts to go through.  That can be said about other kinds of layoffs as well, including those that don’t hinge on the whim of elections and politicians.

The kicker for Lockheed came when the Obama administration indemnified corporations for keeping workers in the dark:

So the Office of Management and Budget went a step further in guidance issued late Friday afternoon. If an agency terminates or modifies a contract, and the contractor must close a plant or lay off workers en masse, the company could treat employee compensation costs for WARN Act liability, attorneys’ fees and other litigation costs as allowable costs to be covered by the contracting agency—so long as the contractor has followed a course of action consistent with the Labor Department’s guidance. The legal fees would be covered regardless of the outcome of the litigation, according to the OMB guidance issued by Daniel Werfel, controller of the Office of Federal Financial Management, and Joseph Jordan, the Administrator for Federal Procurement Policy.

Democrats have now gone from demanding the WARN Act to paying companies to violate it.  I guess the working class is only valuable when they serve as a talking point, eh?  They told me that if I voted for John McCain, the working man would get screwed by Washington and the board room, and … well, you know.


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bigmacdaddy on October 2, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Remember, ” The-most-ethical-administration-evar”.

TX-96 on October 2, 2012 at 8:45 AM

Another example of Obama far exceeding his authority and our gutless wonders in Congress let him get away with it.

karenhasfreedom on October 2, 2012 at 8:45 AM

All lockheed employees must be aware of impending layoffs. So now instead of a subset of employees upset about getting layoff notices ALL employees will be anxious as we head to election day.

Fail.

Uncledave on October 2, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Unstinkingbelievable

Another what if bush did this part 10,634

cmsinaz on October 2, 2012 at 8:46 AM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/259641-obama-calls-debate-prep-a-drag

Powhr wittle Preezie…..he havin to workie workie. :-(((

Are you listening voters in Virginia? This link to the Lockheed story should be emailed/tweeted/”socialized” all over Virginia especially.

Work it HotAirians…….so the Preezie won’t have to in January.

PappyD61 on October 2, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Lone voices in the wilderness. If the MSM doesn’t tell anyone about this, is it really happening? Surely Mitt will bring it up at the debate Wednesday.

Vince on October 2, 2012 at 8:48 AM

And we the people will pick up the tab if this goes to court.

Isn’t America great?

SmallGovtGuy on October 2, 2012 at 8:49 AM

It’s not quite so…my brother in law works for lokheed martin and his employer basically told them yesterday that they wouldn’t issue the pink slips in Nov because even if the sequestration goes off in Jan they will not start laying off people right away, not until March/Apr and some possibly in early summer…so they will still send the pink slips two months prior, but Nov is too early, since they are not planning on laying them off in Jan or Febr….that’s at least the reality with his Lockheed project…I know there are many lockheed projects and plants throughout the country…

jimver on October 2, 2012 at 8:49 AM

It baffles me how some people can actually still want to see another 4 years of this Bozo in office!

pilamaye on October 2, 2012 at 8:49 AM

The laugh is on Lockheed Martin. They will be on the hook anyway. This is the Obama administration we’re talking about, there’s no way they keep this promise after the election when they no longer have to.

zmdavid on October 2, 2012 at 8:49 AM

So Lockheed Martin employees can’t read?

ctmom on October 2, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Lockheed shouldn’t have buckled. Obama thinks he’s above everyone else, so no wonder his admin thinks it’s above the law. From sidestepping Congress on Libya to having Cabinet officials engage in political cheerleading, they’ve shown nothing but contempt for it.

The GOP needs to pound away on this. I know they’re back home campaigning, but this is an outrage. He’s deliberately trying to mask the effects of his failed leadership.

changer1701 on October 2, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Lockheed: Sure, we’ll keep our workers in the dark about layoffs

I have a question. Seeing as how this is now being reported, and Lockheed is not going to tell who is being set up for a lay off, doesn’t this make the situation WORSE for them and by extension Obama? Now everyone will be on pins and needles and wondering if the hammer will fall on them.

Gatsu on October 2, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Hello. Gop… can anyone stop this and actually enforce the ka

cmsinaz on October 2, 2012 at 8:53 AM

…again!…laws for thee but not for me!

KOOLAID2 on October 2, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Obama: If you ever again hope to get a government contract, you will NOT tell your employees about the layoffs.

petefrt on October 2, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Lockheed Martin

Cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Uh, heh dunderheads, you’re a defense contractor, aren’t ya? Romney plans on strengthening our defense department – which would mean MORE contracts for you.

Flora Duh on October 2, 2012 at 8:56 AM

The whole point of the WARN act is to protect the workers. So now we’ve got the rat-eared coward talking about Mitt Romney’s harming the middle class while his administration is conspiring with big business to harm the middle class????

Lockheed should be shamed into obeying the law.

Happy Nomad on October 2, 2012 at 8:56 AM

However, both the Department of Labor and OMB insisted that it didn’t apply to the sequestration issue, because no one really believes that Congress will allow the automatic cuts to go through.

That’s not the point, the point is Obama picking an choosing what laws he will follow and enforce.

lowandslow on October 2, 2012 at 8:56 AM

How is this freaking legal?

gophergirl on October 2, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Hello. Gop… can anyone stop this and actually enforce the ka

cmsinaz on October 2, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Hell no. This is backfiring beautifully.

katy the mean old lady on October 2, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Sometimes counties or municipalities have their own independent mini-WARN requirements. (Virginia doesn’t appear to have such a law.) It is worth a check to see if any of these locations have such obligations:

Alexandria
Fairfax
Hampton
Herndon
Manassas
Arlington County
Fairfax County

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on October 2, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Come on folks…quit your b.i.tching about a few bumps in the road…

SWalker on October 2, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Please, will some Republican stand up and say something about this?

itsspideyman on October 2, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Can you blame Lockhead? If they didn’t buckle, they would likely lose government contracts, get audited, not be paid for current work and then demonized in the press. Obama’s enemies list makes Nixon look like a boy scout.

Paraphrasing our founders; When the government fears the people you have freedom. When the people fear government you have tyranny

ratherbskiing on October 2, 2012 at 8:59 AM

How is this freaking legal?

gophergirl on October 2, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Shut up! That’s how.

-The Democrat Party

Flora Duh on October 2, 2012 at 8:59 AM

How is this freaking legal?

gophergirl on October 2, 2012 at 8:57 AM

The same damned way that Obama waging war against Libya was. Because nobody has the testicular fortitude to to stand up to Comrade Obama.

SWalker on October 2, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Thats a gift to the Romney campaign!

And it will be especially useful in Virginia: If defense industry employees are kept in the dark about lay-offs, nobody will know for sure that he is actually going to keep his job.

Instead of having a finite number of disgruntled lay-offs, we will see the entire workforce of an industry having to confront the possibility of being unemployed soon and in an important swing state at that.

Add how corrupt this whole manuverig looks and that these people owe this insecurity about their future directly to Obama and you probably see the dumbest move this administration has ever made. Which is saying quite a lot.

Valkyriepundit on October 2, 2012 at 9:02 AM

gophergirl on October 2, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Shut up! That’s how.

-The Democrat Party

Flora Duh on October 2, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Exactly…. I’m starting to think that even Obama’s daughters have a higher testosterone count than anyone in Congress.

SWalker on October 2, 2012 at 9:02 AM

The laugh is on Lockheed Martin. They will be on the hook anyway. This is the Obama administration we’re talking about, there’s no way they keep this promise after the election when they no longer have to.

zmdavid on October 2, 2012 at 8:49 AM

No, the unions will sue, and the government will pay. Funneling taxpayer dollars to unions is S.O.P, this is just the latest delivery vehicle.

FineasFinn on October 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Lockheed Martin “we never forget who we’re working for.”

Ruh roh…

the_nile on October 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Obama and his merry band of Marxist crooks are the most disgusting thing on the face of this earth. Furthermore, Lockheed has absolutely no integrity and at some point in time should suffer for its complicity.

rplat on October 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM

If Romney had a brain in his head he would use this against Obama and the Democrats. If he was opposed to it when it was first passed, no problem.

“We are facing massive cuts in defense spending. Congress passed the WARN act to give workers notice that they were going to lose their jobs. I did oppose this when it was first proposed, but it IS the law of the land and we are ALL required to obey it.

Unless you are Barack Obama or the Democratic Party.

I’m Mitt Romney and I approved this message”

If he didn’t oppose the law then this could be modified and really used to hammer King Putt.
(King Putt refers to Obama’s tendency to play golf rather then do his job)

evilned on October 2, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Instead of having a finite number of disgruntled lay-offs, we will see the entire workforce of an industry having to confront the possibility of being unemployed soon and in an important swing state at that.

Valkyriepundit on October 2, 2012 at 9:02 AM

Exactly. Lockheed has just thrown a big monkey wrench right into the Obama engine.

katy the mean old lady on October 2, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Shut up! That’s how.

-The Democrat Party

Flora Duh on October 2, 2012 at 8:59 AM

The same damned way that Obama waging war against Libya was. Because nobody has the testicular fortitude to to stand up to Comrade Obama.

SWalker on October 2, 2012 at 9:00 AM

This is so brazen – they are basically bribing companies to break the law. I’m speechless.

gophergirl on October 2, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Good gawd, “do what we say or it will go badly for you”? This is a rogue administration and all you fence-sitters better get your shiite in order, because if Mr. Flexible wins another term, it’s over.

Bishop on October 2, 2012 at 9:05 AM

How is this freaking legal?

gophergirl on October 2, 2012 at 8:57 AM

It isn’t. Greta had a good segment on this last night.

BettyRuth on October 2, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Lockheed’s Best engineers now leaving the company to look for work elsewhere. Why wait for there to be 10’000s of competitors when you get out now?

astonerii on October 2, 2012 at 9:06 AM

And it will be especially useful in Virginia: If defense industry employees are kept in the dark about lay-offs, nobody will know for sure that he is actually going to keep his job.

Instead of having a finite number of disgruntled lay-offs, we will see the entire workforce of an industry having to confront the possibility of being unemployed soon and in an important swing state at that.

Add how corrupt this whole manuverig looks and that these people owe this insecurity about their future directly to Obama and you probably see the dumbest move this administration has ever made. Which is saying quite a lot.

Valkyriepundit on October 2, 2012 at 9:02 AM

Correct. Shame them publicly + employee word of mouth + local lawsuits picked up by local media; and make the larger point that NO ONE’s job is safe if Bam-Bam is re-elected

“Obama is using YOUR tax dollars to coerce your employer to lie to you.”

An aside: Lockheed Martin’s cowardice is disgraceful; and they are being conned by a street hustler with a nice title.

matthew8787 on October 2, 2012 at 9:07 AM

The Vampire can’t hurt you unless you invite him in.

Naturally Curly on October 2, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Can you blame Lockhead? If they didn’t buckle, they would likely lose government contracts, get audited, not be paid for current work and then demonized in the press. Obama’s enemies list makes Nixon look like a boy scout.

Paraphrasing our founders; When the government fears the people you have freedom. When the people fear government you have tyranny

ratherbskiing on October 2, 2012 at 8:59 AM

If lockheed is afraid of the Obama regime now , how would things change with four more years?

Shortsighted as hell.

the_nile on October 2, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Good gawd, “do what we say or it will go badly for you”? This is a rogue administration and all you fence-sitters better get your shiite in order, because if Mr. Flexible wins another term, it’s over.

Bishop on October 2, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Obama: Say, that’s a nice business you got there Lockheed, be a damn shame if anything happened to it…

Lockheed: But we don’t even do business in Chicago…

Obama: Youse wants your left leg or your right leg broken for sayin dat?

SWalker on October 2, 2012 at 9:09 AM

In a statement Friday, GOP Senators John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Kelly Ayotte accused Obama of putting “his own reelection ahead of the interests of working Americans and our national security by promising government contractors that their salary and liability costs will be covered at taxpayer expense if they do not follow the law that requires advance warning to employees of jobs that may be lost due to sequestration. … Apparently, President Obama puts politics ahead of American workers by denying them adequate time to plan their finances and take care of their families. The people who work in the defense industry and other government contracting companies deserve as much notice as possible that they are on track to lose their jobs.” Source

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, a Virginia Republican, said the administration was playing politics with its guidance on layoff notifications. Cantor’s home-state economy is the nation’s most dependent on defense spending, according to a Bloomberg Government study last year, and Virginia is a swing state that can go either way in presidential elections.

“For an administration that talks a lot about transparency, it is disappointing that they apparently think it is more important to protect their political interests than give hard-working families any indication that they might in fact lose their job in 60 to 90 days due to inaction by the president and Senate Democrats,” Cantor said today in a statement. Source

Flora Duh on October 2, 2012 at 9:09 AM

What are you seeing Katy that i dont?

cmsinaz on October 2, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Please, will some Republican stand up and say something about this?

itsspideyman on October 2, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Well,Lindsey Graham came out with a strongly worded statement so we have that going for us.

docflash on October 2, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Seems to be the logical choice, with the WH picking winners/losers.

socalcon on October 2, 2012 at 9:13 AM

it is a gift to mitt’s campaign. all mitt’s gotta say is obama wants to keep you defense workers in the dark…he won’t tell u what he’s going to do if re-elected. but i’ll tell you. he’ll gut lockheed martin and all the other defense industries and kick u to the street to the bread lines. and i can promise u i won’t.

gracie on October 2, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Rank political corruption.

gwelf on October 2, 2012 at 9:14 AM

An aside: Lockheed Martin’s cowardice is disgraceful; and they are being conned by a street hustler with a nice title.

matthew8787 on October 2, 2012 at 9:07 AM

It is , people risking and losing their life fighting so others can live in freedom.

Lockheed Martin selling freedom for a buck.

Skunk works…

the_nile on October 2, 2012 at 9:15 AM

What are you seeing Katy that i dont?

cmsinaz on October 2, 2012 at 9:10 AM

The whole idea was to keep workers in the dark about lay offs. Oops, that bocat is out of the bag.

katy the mean old lady on October 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Cooperating in that sort of blatant illegality should cost every one of them there federal contracts.

Since we are cutting defense spending anyway.

Hurt them where it hurts most.

Sorry, Grumman, Lockheed, and others, none of you are irreplaceable.

coldwarrior on October 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

What are you seeing Katy that i dont?

cmsinaz on October 2, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Probably the same thing I’m seeing. (Disclosure: I used to work for a Lockheed-Martin Subcontractor) Lockheed knows how to play hardball, don’t get that phucked up. This story is getting out because Lockheed-Martin is making damned sure it gets out.

They are doting their i’s and crossing their t’s in front of the Obamanation Administration so that Obama and company cannot do anything publicly or officially to them and they are slipping a huge banana up Obama’s tailpipe at the exact same time.

Obama has already screwed Lockheed big time (that’s why I am unemployed right now) and believe me, the big boys at Lockheed are just itching for some major serious payback.

SWalker on October 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

I contract for Northrop Grumman on a non-DOD contract in MA. I don’t know that I won’t be affected by this. My management hasn’t said that our group is safe so I have to assume that we may be in danger. I’ve made sure my yellow-dog Democrat is aware too… I’ll be so glad when 11/6 is here.

catquilt on October 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

If lockheed is afraid of the Obama regime now , how would things change with four more years?

Shortsighted as hell.

the_nile on October 2, 2012 at 9:08 AM

I think their hedging their bets in case he does win. They need tp be in good graces with their bread and butter. When Obama no longer has elections to worry about, think about how vindictive his regime will be. Business is Business.

ratherbskiing on October 2, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Lockheed’s Best engineers now leaving the company to look for work elsewhere. Why wait for there to be 10’000s of competitors when you get out now?

astonerii on October 2, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Look for work elsewhere, where exactly, genius, the whole defence industry will be struck if the sequestration goes off…Lockheed is just one of them, and most likely one to keep a lot of its work force since it’s one of the biggest defence contractors., but the smaller ones will be obliterated completely…besides, use your brain, all defence companies are paralysed right now and not hiring, waiting to see what is going to happen, if the sequestration goes off or not….so you have to be dumb to leave your engineer job with lockheed and go where, be hired by who, when it’s not even clear at this point if the sequestration will be triggered or not…

jimver on October 2, 2012 at 9:18 AM

Sen. Graham: Obama move on defense layoff notices ‘patently illegal’

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) says that he will do anything he can to block the Obama administration from reimbursing defense contractors for severance costs if the firms don’t send layoff notices to employees.

The Obama administration issued guidance Friday that said defense firms’ costs would be covered if they have to layoff workers due to canceled contracts under the across-the-board cuts set to take effect Jan. 2.

The layoff notices have become a politically charged issue because they could have come just four days ahead of the election because of a 60-day notice required by federal law for mass layoffs.

Graham and other Republicans were livid after the Obama administration issued the guidance on Friday telling contractors that their legal costs would be covered due to canceled contracts under sequestration, but only if they did not issue layoff notices before sequestration occurs — and before the November election.

“I will do everything in my power to make sure not one taxpayer dollar is spent reimbursing companies for failure to comply with WARN Act,” Graham told The Hill in a phone interview Monday. “That is so beyond the pale — I think it’s patently illegal.”

Flora Duh on October 2, 2012 at 9:18 AM

Lockheed Martin selling freedom for a buck.

Skunk works…

the_nile on October 2, 2012 at 9:15 AM

That is probably one of the ten stupidest comments I have ever read on the internet.

SWalker on October 2, 2012 at 9:18 AM

Ingredients for a great ad. Hello, anyone out there?

Kissmygrits on October 2, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Lockheed has absolutely no integrity and at some point in time should suffer for its complicity.

rplat on October 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Perhaps when the new Prez/Congress calls for more defense spending, Lockheed may be on the losing end of the bids

skeeterbite on October 2, 2012 at 9:20 AM

“I will do everything in my power to make sure not one taxpayer dollar is spent reimbursing companies for failure to comply with WARN Act,” Graham told The Hill in a phone interview Monday.

Whelp, y’all know what that means!

SouthernGent on October 2, 2012 at 9:21 AM

oops, my yellow-dog Democrat *husband*

catquilt on October 2, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Obama has already screwed Lockheed big time (that’s why I am unemployed right now) and believe me, the big boys at Lockheed are just itching for some major serious payback.

SWalker on October 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Yup. I am sure this was a big FU to old Barry.

katy the mean old lady on October 2, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Unsat, but not unexpected for the “Do as I say, not as I do” Democrats…

Khun Joe on October 2, 2012 at 9:24 AM

“I will do everything in my power to make sure not one taxpayer dollar is spent reimbursing companies for failure to comply with WARN Act,” Graham told The Hill in a phone interview Monday. “That is so beyond the pale — I think it’s patently illegal.”

If you think it’s illegal then DO SOMETHING about it instead of whining and threatening to cut off funding, you pathetic sack of noodles. Damn this GOP, bunch of seat-warming sissies.

Bishop on October 2, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Brilliantly corrupt political move. Prevent some of the negative consequences of your own decisions from affecting voters before they vote and potentially throw some money towards one of your constituencies (lawyers).

These corrupt Chicago politicians really know their stuff.

gwelf on October 2, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Lockheed’s Best engineers now leaving the company to look for work elsewhere. Why wait for there to be 10’000s of competitors when you get out now?

astonerii on October 2, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Look for work elsewhere, where exactly, genius, the whole defence industry will be struck if the sequestration goes off…Lockheed is just one of them, and most likely one to keep a lot of its work force since it’s one of the biggest defence contractors., but the smaller ones will be obliterated completely…besides, use your brain, all defence companies are paralysed right now and not hiring, waiting to see what is going to happen, if the sequestration goes off or not….so you have to be dumb to leave your engineer job with lockheed and go where, be hired by who, when it’s not even clear at this point if the sequestration will be triggered or not…

jimver on October 2, 2012 at 9:18 AM

No actually he is right, the Aerospace Industry aspect of the Defense Industry is not locked to government contracts. Only about half of what they do is Defense Industry contracts. And I do know several up until recently Lockheed Engineers who have jumped ship.

SWalker on October 2, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Yet another criminal act committed by this Administration, in plain sight for all to see.

So, when are the Republicans (voters and pols) gonna take ACTION on it? Start investigations, bring charges, camp outside of offices until action is taken, drag people out if necessary?

All this is is more rampant and blatant Dem criminality, Republican whining, all without any consequence, except to the people/voters/taxpayers.

Saltyron on October 2, 2012 at 9:26 AM

So Lockheed Martin employees can’t read?

ctmom on October 2, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Exactly. This is nothing more than a great ad script for Romney in VA regarding the layoffs and for an overall ad across the states for its corruption.

hillsoftx on October 2, 2012 at 9:28 AM

All lockheed employees must be aware of impending layoffs. So now instead of a subset of employees upset about getting layoff notices ALL employees will be anxious as we head to election day.

Fail.

Uncledave on October 2, 2012 at 8:46 AM

I agree, Obozo just increased the pool from some employees to all who work for Locheed/Martin. Better to vote for Romney and have a chance to get sequestration off the table than vote for Obozo and take your chances.

banzaibob on October 2, 2012 at 9:28 AM

But will Congress stand up and do something? No. They can’t even get a single document out of the WH regarding the death of a Border Patrol agent and guns illegally given to the mexican drug cartel.

smfic on October 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM

What are you seeing Katy that i dont?

cmsinaz on October 2, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Probably the same thing I’m seeing. (Disclosure: I used to work for a Lockheed-Martin Subcontractor) Lockheed knows how to play hardball, don’t get that phucked up. This story is getting out because Lockheed-Martin is making damned sure it gets out.

They are doting their i’s and crossing their t’s in front of the Obamanation Administration so that Obama and company cannot do anything publicly or officially to them and they are slipping a huge banana up Obama’s tailpipe at the exact same time.

Obama has already screwed Lockheed big time (that’s why I am unemployed right now) and believe me, the big boys at Lockheed are just itching for some major serious payback.

SWalker on October 2, 2012 at 9:16

Guess that’s why you are my fave cali commenter here :) ….Finally, somebody with a lot of sense amidst this lockheed generated hysteria. i got exactly the same feedback from my lockheed employed system engineer brother in law (the Palmdale plant), who was in a meeting with management yesterday exactly on this topic. They know what they are doing, and they will not break any law, WARN or otherwise, if not for other reasons, because they will not lay off people effective immediate the sequestration is triggered (if it is, on jan 1 that is) …they won’t lay off people until March anyways, so they told him, in case the sequestration goes off and then it gets reversed (assuming romney wins he presidency)…so they are within the law time frame to send them pink slips in jan and gebr if they don’t plan on laying people off till March…different story with subcontractors though…

jimver on October 2, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Where are all the “conservative” and “watchdog” legal groups, and why aren’t any of them filing lawsuits?

Nutstuyu on October 2, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Oh, ooh, I know. Pick me!!!

The GOP House is going to set up a special committee…and then send a stern letter to the Dem-controlled Senate.

Then they are going to huff and puff and threaten to hold their breath until “something is done.”

And that’ll be it.

If Romney does not bring this up in the debates, and directly demand Obama explain fully, with details, why the White House is complicit in this blatant illegal subversion of the WARN Act…and not let Obama obfuscate and wiggle around the answer…and hound Obama until we all have a full answer, Romney will lose in November.

coldwarrior on October 2, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Thanks Katy and swalker

cmsinaz on October 2, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Gotcha Jim

cmsinaz on October 2, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Good gawd, “do what we say or it will go badly for you”? This is a rogue administration and all you fence-sitters better get your shiite in order, because if Mr. Flexible wins another term, it’s over.

Bishop on October 2, 2012 at 9:05 AM

You sure it’s not ALREADY over?

What part of a MARXIST with no legislative accomplishments being elected to the Presidency of the United States don’t you understand?

Cleombrotus on October 2, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Well,Lindsey Graham came out with a strongly worded statement so we have that going for us.

docflash on October 2, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Ooh, that will leave a mark! /s

RoadRunner on October 2, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Look for work elsewhere, where exactly, genius, the whole defence industry will be struck if the sequestration goes off…Lockheed is just one of them, and most likely one to keep a lot of its work force since it’s one of the biggest defence contractors., but the smaller ones will be obliterated completely…besides, use your brain, all defence companies are paralysed right now and not hiring, waiting to see what is going to happen, if the sequestration goes off or not….so you have to be dumb to leave your engineer job with lockheed and go where, be hired by who, when it’s not even clear at this point if the sequestration will be triggered or not…

jimver on October 2, 2012 at 9:18 AM

Now that I am employed again, I get job offers from competing companies on a regular basis. If I were to become unemployed again, those offers would stop about 3 months later. Eventually, I would become almost unemployable after 6 months off work. I just got lucky that I had very specific experience and got a job after 53 weeks of being unemployed after Paulson tanked the economy and I ended up out of work along with thousands of other people at the same time.

If you are currently working in engineering, you pretty much have plenty of opportunities for lateral moves. Companies are looking to have the best employees while the pickings are good.

astonerii on October 2, 2012 at 9:41 AM

followed a course of action consistent with the Labor Department’s guidance. The legal fees would be covered regardless of the outcome of the litigation,

This is OUR money! OUR money! Being used to bribe Lockheed! To break the law!!

Where in hell are our Representatives!?!? Asleep?! Complicit?!?

I am outraged!!

KMC1 on October 2, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Exactly. Lockheed has just thrown a big monkey wrench right into the Obama engine.

katy the mean old lady on October 2, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Why do y’all have to refer to monkey wrench? It’s a racist dog whistle, I’m sure.

Archivarix on October 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Graham told The Hill in a phone interview Monday. “That is so beyond the pale — I think it’s patently illegal.”

Really? I don’t think the Court of King Barack (pbuh) would go to the trouble of patenting something. ‘Cuz that would involve doing something legal.

Nutstuyu on October 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM

So Obama has now put me on the hook for the legal fees, penalties, and costs of his transparent bribe to the defense contractors and coverup of his failed jobs plan?!I dont think so …

The class action payments excluding fees to lawyers and defense legal bills likely will be in the 100 of millions of dollars- 60 days of salary and benefits for each worker. Legal fees could be 10s of millions.

LASue on October 2, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Surely we can inform LM employees via LM blogs, Twitter, or Facebook.

Charlemagne on October 2, 2012 at 9:55 AM

NBC: Should we report on this?
CBS: On what? I don’t see a story here.
ABC: Yeah, let’s check into what Kim Kardashian is doing today.

The Rogue Tomato on October 2, 2012 at 9:55 AM

jimver on October 2, 2012 at 9:18

Now that I am employed again, I get job offers from competing companies on a regular basis. If I were to become unemployed again, those offers would stop about 3 months later. Eventually, I would become almost unemployable after 6 months off work. I just got lucky that I had very specific experience and got a job after 53 weeks of being unemployed after Paulson tanked the economy and I ended up out of work along with thousands of other people at the same time.

If you are currently working in engineering, you pretty much have plenty of opportunities for lateral moves. Companies are looking to have the best employees while the pickings are good.

astonerii on October 2, 2012 at 9:41 AM

My brother in law works for lockheed martin as a systems engineer, he’s young and v bright and he’s got very specific skills (integrated systems) and a MSc degree, but he is also an IT person (his bachelor degree) who can switch to that line of work if the shite hits the fan at lockheed, so I don’t think he is that worried right now… But also, a lot of it is speculation, it’s not clear what will happen with the sequestration…so to specuate that lockheed caved in and that it will break the law is idiotic…

jimver on October 2, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Legal fees could be 10s of millions.

LASue on October 2, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Peanuts. Pocket change.

After all, Solyndra got over a half-billion for doing zip.

What’s a few tens of millions to this Administration…they’ll just raise the tax rate next year to offset things.

And most Americans, most voters, could not care less about this entire thing because they gots free phones, or the new TV season starts this week, and they are too busy texting and stuff to pay attention to all the faux news from Fox and the depressing stuff from the other networks.

coldwarrior on October 2, 2012 at 9:56 AM

The laugh is on Lockheed Martin. They will be on the hook anyway. This is the Obama administration we’re talking about, there’s no way they keep this promise after the election when they no longer have to.

zmdavid on October 2, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Seems to me that an agreement to break the law is unenforceable.

BuckeyeSam on October 2, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Obama: “That’s a nice F-35 program you’ve got going there. It’d be a shame if it got canceled.”

ReaganWasRight on October 2, 2012 at 9:58 AM

“Fool me twice …” — recall the WH made all kinds of *promises* to ex-Rep Bart Stupak (D-MI) for his pocket votes for OBarkeyCare ..

Now, the WH thinks the Lockheed-Martin guys are just as gullible? Aren’t they supposed to be rocket-scientists .. or something!
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CaveatEmpty on October 2, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Do these fools think that the Lockheed Martin employees are bunch of fools who do not know that they are going to be laid off? In fact this political game by Obama is going to make them angrier at Obama…

mnjg on October 2, 2012 at 10:08 AM

My brother in law works for lockheed martin as a systems engineer, he’s young and v bright and he’s got very specific skills (integrated systems) and a MSc degree, but he is also an IT person (his bachelor degree) who can switch to that line of work if the shite hits the fan at lockheed, so I don’t think he is that worried right now… But also, a lot of it is speculation, it’s not clear what will happen with the sequestration…so to specuate that lockheed caved in and that it will break the law is idiotic…

jimver on October 2, 2012 at 9:56 AM

I am just saying that Lockheed is going to lose engineers to their competitors due to the fact that they are playing political games with those jobs. A top engineer is not going to sit idly by an wait to be put unemployed along with tens of thousands of others as competition. They will take the job offer they got a week before from a company not playing games with their lives.

Brain drain!

astonerii on October 2, 2012 at 10:12 AM

So Obama has now put me on the hook for the legal fees, penalties, and costs of his transparent bribe to the defense contractors and coverup of his failed jobs plan?!I dont think so …

The class action payments excluding fees to lawyers and defense legal bills likely will be in the 100 of millions of dollars- 60 days of salary and benefits for each worker. Legal fees could be 10s of millions.

LASue on October 2, 2012 at 9:51 AM

That’s just silly speculation, sequestration hasn’t gone off yet, and if it does in jan and lockheed does not lay people off until March and beyond, as they have instructed their employees at their plant in palmdale, they are way within the WARN act legal time frame to send them pink slips (2 months) and the taxpayers won’t pick any tab… Besides you realize the exercise in politicking of sending pink slips to all employees in nov….until sequestration happens, they won’t know exactly which projects go and which stay…so what good does that do to send a pink sliptoe everybody, people still won’t know exactly until later on (March and beyond) if they actually will keep their job (some will, obviously, some not) or not, or if their project made the cut or not…so, other than playing stupid politics with an otherwise serious matter, who exactly benefits from this? At this point all lockheed employees know that they can potentially lose their job following the sequestration, they have received already communication from their employer on this matter…what woud the pink slip sent in Nov accomplish, especially if the lay offs proper don’t start until March…

jimver on October 2, 2012 at 10:12 AM

So Lockheed Martin employees can’t read?

ctmom on October 2, 2012 at 8:51 AM

I’ve subcontracted on a couple of Lockheed efforts. Generally, I would say ‘no, they can’t'…

affenhauer on October 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM

If I were a Lockheed employee, I’d start looking for a new job right now.

Is there nothing illegal that this current administration won’t do?

sadatoni on October 2, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Wonder what other employment-related surprises he has in store for his serfs (including gov’t workers) after Election Day? Would not surprise me if he screws a boatload of gov’t workers as part of his “grand compromise” to force tax rates up. He just won’t tell the dupes about it until after they vote for him.

FiveG on October 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Let me get this straight. The Democrats passed a law with super majorities so that they did not need the President’s (Reagan’s) signature. Now, when their own law becomes inconvenient for them they encourage private businesses to violate the law and go so far as to say that they will not enforce the law if they ignore it. And then, to make matters worse (could they be?) they promise to indemnify (with tax dollars – taxes that they want to increase, by the way) the lawbreakers from possible lawsuits or monetary damages.

If I recall correctly, one of the complaints of the American people that swept the Republicans into Congress in 1994 was that our politicians thought they were above the laws that they themselves passed. As bad as things were then, the current Administration and Democrats in Congress have taken this to a whole new level.

And where are the investigative journalists? It’s time to throw the whole lot of them out… the President, Democrat congressmen, journalists, and then go after those companies that get in bed with them.

Harrell on October 2, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Please, will some Republican stand up and say something about this?

itsspideyman on October 2, 2012 at 8:59 AM

If you think it’s illegal then DO SOMETHING about it instead of whining and threatening to cut off funding, you pathetic sack of noodles. Damn this GOP, bunch of seat-warming sissies.

Bishop on October 2, 2012 at 9:24 AM

They aren’t going to do anything: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/yahoo-exclusive-republicans-disclose-private-call-too-dangerous-175828684.html

We should consider ourselves lucky that the GOP is even bothering to make strongly worded statements. If Romney actually has the stones to go after Obama on the illegality of this at the debates, I’ll eat my hat, JetBoy style.

Doomberg on October 2, 2012 at 10:25 AM

The Feds might have bought Lockheed’s silence but, according to a quick Google search, Virginia has its own WARN Act:

http://www.vec.virginia.gov/vecportal/employer/pdf/warnact.pdf

blammm on October 2, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Exactly. Lockheed has just thrown a big monkey wrench right into the Obama engine.

katy the mean old lady on October 2, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Why do y’all have to refer to monkey wrench? It’s a racist dog whistle, I’m sure.

He’s an engineer, that’s the only wrench he know how to use. If you want the correct wrench ask an A&P.

LeftCoastRight on October 2, 2012 at 10:32 AM

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