Certain illegal immigrants now eligible for drivers’ licenses in California

posted at 4:01 pm on October 1, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

On Sunday, California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law Assembly Bill 2189, which will allow hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants to legally obtain drivers’ licenses in the state. The eligibility requirements are comparable to those expected for President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program (that little tidbit of ‘prosecutorial discretion’ the Obama administration unveiled earlier this year that will allow illegal immigrants who meet the criteria to obtain work permits), i.e., people who came into the country before the age of 16, are under 31 years of age, are in/have been to school or have served in the military, and have not since committed any other crimes after entering the United States. Via the NYDN:

AB2189 by Assemblyman Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, will let the Department of Motor Vehicles issue licenses to illegal immigrants eligible for work permits under a new Obama administration policy. The bill requires the department to accept as proof of legal residence whatever document the federal government provides to participants in its deferred action program.

Cedillo said his bill will make roads safer while letting young immigrants drive to school and to work. His reasoning drew support from several Republican lawmakers, while other Republicans argued the state should leave immigration issues to the federal government. …

He said California is the first state to grant drivers’ licenses to the group singled out under the Obama administration’s policy. Cedillo praised Brown for choosing “public safety over politics” by signing the bill.

The law’s advocates argue that the law will increase public safety by ensuring that people who are here anyway can now be trained and tested as drivers without fear and that they’ll be more likely to buy car insurance, while the opposition argument runs more along the lines of, ‘Why don’t we just roll out the welcome wagon while we’re at it?’ One does have to wonder at deeply-in-the-red California’s seemingly impervious-to-fiscal-realities rush to implement programs that will come at a significant financial and bureaucratic cost to the state, without figuring out how to pay for them, especially while implicitly inviting more non-taxpaying illegal aliens to come and find sanctuary there. I wonder if any of the motivation could perhaps be similar to the federal government’s reasoning behind doing things like this? Via the Daily Caller:

Department of Agriculture personnel in the Obama administration have met with Mexican Government officials dozens of times since the president took office to promote nutrition assistance programs — notably food stamps — among Mexican Americans, Mexican nationals and migrant communities in America.

Writing in response to Alabama Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions’ July request for information about the USDA’s little known partnership with the Mexican government to educate citizen and noncitizen immigrants from Mexico about the availability of food stamps and other nutrition assistance programs, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack defended the partnership as a way to curb hunger in America — and the continuation of a program formed under the Bush administration in 2004.

“The Mexico-U.S. Partnership for Nutrition Assistance Initiative is just one of a wide range of USDA partnership activities intended to promote awareness of nutrition assistance among those who need benefits and meet all program requirements under current law.” Vilsack wrote to Sessions in a letter obtained by The Daily Caller.


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States can just refuse to acknowledge any California DL period.

darwin on October 1, 2012 at 4:47 PM

They cannot.

Dante on October 1, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Federalism does not include abetting illegal action or behavior, which this clearly does.

darwin on October 1, 2012 at 4:54 PM

It is neither abetting illegal action or behavior.

Dante on October 1, 2012 at 4:57 PM

They cannot.

Dante on October 1, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Sure they can. California can sue them for all it’ll be worth.

darwin on October 1, 2012 at 4:59 PM

It is neither abetting illegal action or behavior.

Dante on October 1, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Of course it is. They’re giving drivers licenses to people who are neither sponsored or santioned by the US government to be here.

darwin on October 1, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Yup.

Liberal Logic 101:

Giving scofflaw criminal illegal immigrants a legal state issued driver’s license enabling them to register to vote — among other privileges and rights afforded legal state identification holders — is much MUCH more likely to motivate scofflaw criminals to operate within the boundaries of law and order — and buy friggin’ auto insurance as if that is actually the true motivation for such asinine legislation — because if anything makes scofflaw criminal illegal immigrants into law abiding illegal immigrants it is the rewarding them for their scofflaw criminal ways rather than enforcing the laws already on the books intended to mitigate scofflaw criminals from being scofflaw criminals.

Liberal Logic — aside from the obvious pandering for a lifetime of votes for Liberals and their personal agendas — more mysterious and dumbfounding than the Higgs-Boson.

FlatFoot on October 1, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Like I said, they gave us Clenis (Ross Perot votes) and now will give us 4 more years of HUSSEIN.

All the while being a heavily induced drugged state and claiming they love freedom while in reality voting, time and again, against it.

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 4:52 PM

They’re more “social issues first” type voters. Their reason to exist was always primarily to advocate for liberal social issues. Economics has always been of secondary importance to them at best. As for handing the election to Obama, I doubt it. The “large L” libertarian vote is very small, and is primarily a focus for protest votes.

Doomberg on October 1, 2012 at 5:02 PM

coz he’s insane…

jimver on October 1, 2012 at 4:50 PM

And I enjoy my insanity.

Then all states should be required to respect concealed carry permits. Get a CC in one state and it’s good for all.

Thanks constitutional scholar.

darwin on October 1, 2012 at 4:41 PM

dante is only a scholar over the constitutional birther issues. And then he is like a an imam with the Koran…he makes crap up to suit his view.

cozmo on October 1, 2012 at 5:05 PM

As for handing the election to Obama, I doubt it. The “large L” libertarian vote is very small, and is primarily a focus for protest votes.

Doomberg on October 1, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Johnson is getting single digits numbers in polls, but ALL those votes come from the GOP ticket. Same as Perrot, albeit on a smaller scale. Even small numbers will matter this year. I hope I am wrong, but something tells me Johnson will take some votes from GOP.

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 5:05 PM

I’m soooooo glad I left CA and moved to Arizona. Here, we don’t let illegals have tax-payer funded services, unless of course you want to have an anchor-baby here then, wooooohoooooo, let’er rip!!!

Not sure how much I oppose or support this. Arizona has 1/6th the population of CA (~6M versus ~36M people) and many fewer cars on the road. However, auto insurance rates are just as high or higher than
California (metro Phoenix area is the worst). My insurance agent and I talked about that and she said it was mainly due to the high number of accidents caused by illegal drivers with no insurance. So, in the end, we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t……

I know some would say just go Sheriff Joe on them all and deport, but that’s just not going to happen given the political climate in this country….

powerpickle on October 1, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Seems like the only way California could go. How else can illegals vote what with all the racist voter ID laws starting to appear…

Rightyismighty on October 1, 2012 at 5:08 PM

They cannot.

Dante on October 1, 2012 at 4:56 PM

OK, let me get your position straight. Are you saying that anyone with an unrestricted license in any state can drive unrestricted in any other state?

Oldnuke on October 1, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Other than being with us on (some) economic issues, there’s virtually no difference in practice between a libertarian and a liberal. When push comes to shove, they will vote with the Democrats.

Doomberg on October 1, 2012 at 4:44 PM

That’s almost a stupid as the stuff dante is spewing.

Like I said, they gave us Clenis (Ross Perot votes) and now will give us 4 more years of HUSSEIN.

All the while being a heavily induced drugged state and claiming they love freedom while in reality voting, time and again, against it.

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Um no, Bush forty one lost. Mostly because of “no new taxes”. Blame it on others all you want, that doesn’t make it so.

cozmo on October 1, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Well, how else are they going to get from the immigrant camps to the street corner where landscaping companies pick them up en masse?

/sarc

VastRightWingConspirator on October 1, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Sure they can. California can sue them for all it’ll be worth.

darwin on October 1, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Not according to the Constitution. You should read it some time.

Dante on October 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM

“I am not here to listen to your life story, I just need a name”.

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 4:50 PM

The parallels to prescription “tonics” during prohibition are hilarious.

Time marches on….but not much else.

Tim_CA on October 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM

2ndMAW68 on October 1, 2012 at 4:21 PM

arrrgghhh

cmsinaz on October 1, 2012 at 5:17 PM

I’m soooooo glad I left CA and moved to Arizona. Here, we don’t let illegals have tax-payer funded services, unless of course you want to have an anchor-baby here then, wooooohoooooo, let’er rip!!!

word

Drunk Report on October 1, 2012 at 5:18 PM

States can just refuse to acknowledge any California DL period.

darwin on October 1, 2012 at 4:47 PM

They cannot.

Dante on October 1, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Actually, they can. When you move from one state to another you must get another license issued by the new state. There’s no such thing as a USA Driver’s License.

Mitoch55 on October 1, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Um no, Bush forty one lost. Mostly because of “no new taxes”. Blame it on others all you want, that doesn’t make it so.

cozmo on October 1, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Nah, I’ll stay with the factual numbers. Perrot got ~20% and Bush was still within striking distance, what with “read my lips” and all. The only reason we got Clenis was due to liberals, err, libertarians taking ~20% of the votes off the table.

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Not according to the Constitution. You should read it some time.

Dante on October 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Look pal … if California wishes to reward people for breaking our laws, draining public coffers and taking jobs from American citizens then have at it. Other states can and I hope will declare their licenses invalid. California can then take any action they feel necessary, which states will also ignore.

Get the point?

darwin on October 1, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Not according to the Constitution. You should read it some time.

Dante on October 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Some day, you must share with us the special version you have of the constitution. It must be a hoot with all the scribbles in the margins and passages written in ink that is invisible to normal people.

cozmo on October 1, 2012 at 5:23 PM

For California or any other State or local government to offer assistance to any illegal alien is a felony.

Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

It is a violation of law for any person to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection in any place, including any building or means of transportation, any alien who is in the United States in violation of law. HARBORING MEANS ANY CONDUCT THAT TENDS TO SUBSTANTIALLY FACILITATE AN ALIEN TO REMAIN IN THE U.S. ILLEGALLY. The sheltering need not be clandestine, and harboring covers aliens arrested outdoors, as well as in a building. This provision includes harboring an alien who entered the U.S. legally but has since lost his legal status.

I’m pretty sure that giving them a driver’s license would substantially facilitate.

Oldnuke on October 1, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Oldnuke on October 1, 2012 at 5:24 PM

You’re assuming liberals running the place even know what Constitution is. Their schools now teach the kids all about homosexuals, but god forbid they learn about USA history and laws that (supposed to) govern us.

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Nah, I’ll stay with the factual numbers.
riddick on October 1, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Only factual according to some analysis. If you want to discount a lackluster campaign, tepid economy, general feeling that things in the world were going pretty good and an electorate craving something different, go ahead. You would be wrong, but that is up to you.

cozmo on October 1, 2012 at 5:27 PM

You would be wrong, but that is up to you.

cozmo on October 1, 2012 at 5:27 PM

I would be wrong about Perrot usurping GOP votes for the most part? OK, then.

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 5:29 PM

I would be wrong about Perrot usurping GOP votes for the most part? OK, then.

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 5:29 PM

No, that is not what I wrote. Nor what I took issue with.

You blamed 1992 on libertarians. That would be wrong.

cozmo on October 1, 2012 at 5:31 PM

…. BUT, Dont try to buy a gun with more than a 10 round capacity. Give DRIVER LICENSES to anyone to drive a 4000LB killing machine.

TX-96 on October 1, 2012 at 5:33 PM

AB2189 by Assemblyman Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles Mexico.

“One-bill Gil” has been pushing driver’s licenses for illegals for years.

And since when does “deferred action” = legal status? Only in the wonderful world of liberal NewSpeak. Somewhere George Orwell is laughing his ass off.

GarandFan on October 1, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Um no, Bush forty one lost. Mostly because of “no new taxes”. Blame it on others all you want, that doesn’t make it so.

cozmo on October 1, 2012 at 5:11 PM

That was MY reason for voting for Perot.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Time for Californians to start a RECALL Petition to get Governor Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown OUT OF OFFICE!

By granting ILLEGAL aliens driver’s licenses, Govenor Brown just showed everbody that he no longer represents the interests of LEGAL California residents.

Recalling Gov. Gray Davis proved that Recalls can be successful.

But this time Californians need to vote for Rep. Tom McClintock as the replacement Governor.

wren on October 1, 2012 at 5:38 PM

But this time Californians need to vote for Rep. Tom McClintock as the replacement Governor.

wren on October 1, 2012 at 5:38 PM

What good will that do if you don’t first clean out the Sacramento entrenched establishment?

Oldnuke on October 1, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Um no, Bush forty one lost. Mostly because of “no new taxes”. Blame it on others all you want, that doesn’t make it so.

cozmo on October 1, 2012 at 5:11 PM

That was MY reason for voting for Perot.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 1, 2012 at 5:37 PM

And I somehow do not recall any conservative voting for either Perrot or Clenis.

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 5:42 PM

And the walls come tumbling down.

Tim_CA on October 1, 2012 at 4:05 PM

…run!…RUN!…run buddy…run!

KOOLAID2 on October 1, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Another pressing issue here in California is banning parents from helping their kids who may struggle with homosexuality.

http://bluecollarphilosophy.com/2012/10/democrats-in-california-attack-parental-rights-and-ban-conversion-therapy-for-gay-teens/

Blue Collar Todd on October 1, 2012 at 5:47 PM

And I somehow do not recall any conservative voting for either Perrot or Clenis.

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Then your powers of recollection are wanting. I know several righties who voted for Perot and even a few for Clinton. Being a republican election judge during that period, I had to hear from plenty of republicans who wanted Bush 41 to lose so the party would shift right. Kind of Very much like the ABR idiots this go around.

cozmo on October 1, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Time for Californians to start a RECALL Petition to get Governor Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown OUT OF OFFICE!

wren on October 1, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Let me sum it up for you. Roughly 30% of the state is public dole. Another 7-12 Millions of illegals (depending on who does the estimate, liberal through conservative) are also on public dole and now will be able to cast votes (not that some didn’t abuse the privilege before).

And you expect a recall for a governor who does not but expand public dole and illegal’s ability to live for free?

200K of illegal students just in LA School district, do you think either they, their parents or teacher’s union will want to vote against teachers holding their jobs across the state if number of students goes down, drastically?

What about prior guards union, THE most powerful union in CA only beating teacher’s union to that? If number of illegals in CA prisons goes down what do youthink that will do to union numbers?

Yes, liberal Arnie was elected as replacement for Gray, but that was with Hollywood’s help. That won’t happen again.

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 5:49 PM

But in CA, who will be left to pay the taxes?

PattyJ on October 1, 2012 at 4:30 PM

This is real bad thing if you are of the 53%. Just like Rome subsisted for a long time on the spoils of war, though in time their conquered territories were fully plundered, when the welfare state in CA is about to fully capsize, California, with the aid of the low income Hispanic majority, will plunder the assets of the more affluent. So, we’re talking not income taxes, but leveling wealth taxes of say 10% yearly (applied to all assets, as cash and real estate and investments). A huge amount of money can be pilfered this way. And yes, when I say pilfered, I mean pilfered.

anotherJoe on October 1, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Gov. Jerry Brown’s new driver’s licenses for ILLEGAL Aliens better have the words “ILLEGAL ALIEN” stamped across the front of the license to distinguish it from the licenses that are used as identification by US Citizens and/or LEGAL residents.

And the information that the ILLEGALS provide on their application for a driver’s license should be used to round up and send home all of these ILLEGAL aliens as soon as Obama’s 2 year deferred deportation period ends.

wren on October 1, 2012 at 5:49 PM

And I somehow do not recall any conservative voting for either Perrot or Clenis.

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 5:42 PM

That also goes against your own argument that Perot took more votes from Bush 41 than from Clinton.

How do you round that square?

cozmo on October 1, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Then your powers of recollection are wanting. I know several righties who voted for Perot and even a few for Clinton. Being a republican election judge during that period, I had to hear from plenty of republicans who wanted Bush 41 to lose so the party would shift right. Kind of Very much like the ABR idiots this go around.

cozmo on October 1, 2012 at 5:48 PM

I was splitting time between NY area and CA back then, and yes, I do not recall even one conservative I knew who voted for Perrot since we all KNEW, without any doubt, that a vote for Perror is a vote for Clenis. We weren’t happy with Bush taxes stance, but overall that was not as negative as having Clenis repeat his Arkansas “success” on federal level.

If you run with different crowds, then, well, too bad. But I know of no one who voted for Perrot. Even in CA back then.

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 5:54 PM

A huge amount of money can be pilfered this way. And yes, when I say pilfered, I mean pilfered.

anotherJoe on October 1, 2012 at 5:49 PM

You mean what Stalin and Co. did in USSR? “Confiscation with no right to appeal” they called it.

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 5:56 PM

What good will that do if you don’t first clean out the Sacramento entrenched establishment?

Oldnuke on October 1, 2012 at 5:42 PM

I am all in favor of cleaning out the Sacramento establishment too!

Californians can make progress on that goal in the November election.

Gov. Brown just reminded Californians why they should never ever vote for a Democrat!

wren on October 1, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Illegal Immigrant Driver’s License + Motor Voter Law = n

Solve for n.

juanito on October 1, 2012 at 5:59 PM

motor vehicle act piggyback method.

dmacleo on October 1, 2012 at 6:02 PM

I was splitting time between NY area and CA back then, and yes, I do not recall even one conservative I knew who voted for Perrot since we all KNEW, without any doubt, that a vote for Perror is a vote for Clenis.
riddick on October 1, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Okay Pauline

I wouldn’t know what its like to live so insulated.

cozmo on October 1, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Gov. Brown just reminded Californians why they should never ever vote for a Democrat!

wren on October 1, 2012 at 5:56 PM

which californians? the welfare queens, the moochers, the illegals, I say au contraire, brown reminds them why they should always vote for a dimcrat, oh, and in case you missed that l’il detail, they have the numbers and the demographics on their side…

jimver on October 1, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Saddam’s dead.

Dante on October 1, 2012 at 4:21 PM

So what ?
This Hussein is a tyrant too.

burrata on October 1, 2012 at 6:07 PM

And I somehow do not recall any conservative voting for either Perrot or Clenis.

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 5:42 PM

I know folks who voted for Perot knowing it was pretty much a passive-aggressive vote for the Clenis.

And I am afraid I do know a couple of folks who will not vote for Romney because he’s a Mormon which to them is like being a Scientologist or Abu Mumia.

As for the driving license thing you sure as hell dont have to recognize another state’s if you don’t want to. Same applies to law licenses, medical licenses, real estate licenses etc. etc.

Dante, step away from the meth pipe.

CorporatePiggy on October 1, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Actually the law license comment is wrong.

If you have a law license and high cheekbones, you’re good in all 57 states + Guam until it capsizes.

CorporatePiggy on October 1, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Here is a link to the information about California Assembly Bill 2189 which Gov. Brown just signed to allow driver’s licenses for these ILLEGAL Aliens.

http://legiscan.com/gaits/view/405491

Here is a list of the Bill’s sponsors:

Sponsors
Asm Beall
Asm Bradford
Asm Charles Calderon
Asm Chesbro
Asm Eng
Asm Fong
Asm Hall
Asm Monning
Asm V. Manuel Perez
Asm Skinner
Asm Swanson
Asm Yamada
Sen Alquist
Sen Leno
Sen Yee
Asm Bonilla
Asm Cedillo
Asm Lara
Asm Mitchell
Sen De León
Asm Alejo

I recognize at least 2 Democrat names on the sponsor list. I am willing to bet that most of the other names are Democrats too.

wren on October 1, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Here is a link to the list of 55 California Assembly Members who voted in favor of giving these ILLEGAL Aliens driver’s licenses:

http://legiscan.com/gaits/rollcall/211520

wren on October 1, 2012 at 6:41 PM

I’m soooooo glad I left CA and moved to Arizona.

powerpickle on October 1, 2012 at 5:07 PM

30 years ago I’d have said good riddance.

Today…..I’m just jealous.

*sigh*

Tim_CA on October 1, 2012 at 6:43 PM

As for the driving license thing you sure as hell dont have to recognize another state’s if you don’t want to. Same applies to law licenses, medical licenses, real estate licenses etc. etc.

Dante, step away from the meth pipe.

CorporatePiggy on October 1, 2012 at 6:12 PM

But wait Dante said so . So it is so. He doesn’t have to support his charge.
/
Dude’s an idiot.

Dante please prove that a state could not do so. No matter the agreements between the states there is little doubt that one state could not decide to not honor one’s license.

CW on October 1, 2012 at 6:44 PM

CorporatePiggy on October 1, 2012 at 6:12 PM

CW on October 1, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Y’all, dante already ran away. He won’t come back until this thread is done with. Then he will make some claims, rattle off some BS, and demand answers. When none are forthcoming, because normal people moved on and forgot about it, dante will claim victory and do his dante dance.

Its dante SOP.

cozmo on October 1, 2012 at 7:02 PM

We’ve been suffering with this crap for years in New Mexico, courtesy of Bill Richardson. Illegals come to New Mexico in droves to get a state issued driver’s license (no questions asked, identical license to legal citizens) and then move to other states with a legal document.

Promising to repeal the law is the primary reason Susana Martinez was elected as our Governor. Unfortunately, the Democrat controlled legislature refuses to listen to 70+% of New Mexicans and repeal the law.

All I can say is thank goodness our population doesn’t come close to California’s.

conservative_student on October 1, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Does anyone realize that California driver’s licenses would no longer be valid for travel within the US if Romney decides to enforce the REAL ID Act as president? (IF he wins)

Imagine the hysterical MSM if President Romney invalidated all Californians and New Mexicans from commercial travel in the US!!

Theworldisnotenough on October 1, 2012 at 7:26 PM

The only thing keeping me in this effing state is season tickets. I expect San Diego State Men’s Basketball to have a great season, if not for that I’d take whatever I could get in Texas. Hell I’m still applying for jobs but not in my current job strata. If something comes though I’m out.

Oh and good job destroying whatever slim chances Brown had of getting tax hikes. It. Is. Over.

Theworldisnotenough on October 1, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Does anyone realize that California driver’s licenses would no longer be valid for travel within the US if Romney decides to enforce the REAL ID Act as president? (IF he wins)

Imagine the hysterical MSM if President Romney invalidated all Californians and New Mexicans from commercial travel in the US!!

Theworldisnotenough on October 1, 2012 at 7:26 PM

We’re well aware of the implications of that here in NM. That’s why those of us who travel have passports for the most part. Our driver’s license is useless as proof of anything.

conservative_student on October 1, 2012 at 7:33 PM

We’re well aware of the implications of that here in NM. That’s why those of us who travel have passports for the most part. Our driver’s license is useless as proof of anything.

conservative_student on October 1, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Right behind ya….guess I’ll go update my passport.

Tim_CA on October 1, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Okay Pauline

I wouldn’t know what its like to live so insulated.

You can cite whatever you want, I still do not know ANY conservative who voted for Perrot. Only because people call themselves “conservative” does not, in any shape or form, make them one. Plenty of RINOs around.

Good for you that you know so many. /s

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 9:23 PM

30 years ago I’d have said good riddance.

Today…..I’m just jealous.

*sigh*

Tim_CA on October 1, 2012 at 6:43 PM

All I can say is that along with conservatives leaving GULAG I still see a good number of idiots, err, liberals, leaving as well as they are fouling up other states as they migrate. Similar to USSR, it wasn’t enough to f**k up once great country, they then exported their idiocy outside. We’re paying for it now.

Ann Romney just spoke here in Henderson today, but similar to just a few enclaves in SF East Bay where I used to live, the rest of Clark County is now union labor/illegals who vote blindly for liberals like the good useful idiots they are. And seeing a sea of CA license plates here, increasingly so in the past few months (we’re talking way out of the strip in residential areas) I know liberals are close enough to ruining yet another state completely.

I am looking at AZ now, TX is just too humid for me.

riddick on October 1, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Given the lack of any real vetting of applicants for this program by federal officials it’s safe to say that we really will not actually know the identity of those who are approved. If one of them then uses his California driver’s license in the commission of a terrorist attack who do we blame, the feds or Calexico?

Nomas on October 2, 2012 at 8:19 AM

OK, fine, Gov. Moonbeam. If this is how you want to play it – illegals get driver’s licenses – then here are my demands, as I have occasion to drive in California once in a while:

1. When an illegal is caught at a checkpoint with a suspended license or drunk, his/her car gets impounded, just like those of citizens.

2. When an illegal is caught driving without insurance, he/she is given a ticket just like a citizen.

3. When an illegal gets in a wreck and refuses to provide a driver’s license, he/she is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

4. When an illegal gets in a wreck and causes damage to a citizen’s car, without insurance, his/her car is impounded to provide collateral for damage to the other driver’s car.

5. These licenses must be cleared marked with “UNLAWFULLY PRESENT NON-CITIZEN.”

5. If an illegal with a CA license tries to move to another state and use that license to get another state’s license – he/she must be arrested for illegal presence in the country if he/she can’t prove citizenship.

6. If an illegal with a CA license attempts to register to vote, he/she should be charged with attempt to tamper with an American election, charged with a felony, deported, and permanently banned from the USA.

7. An illegal attempting to drive in another state with an “UNLAWFULLY PRESENT NON-CITIZEN” CA license must be treated in the same manner as that state’s laws dictate for those illegals caught driving, CA license or no.

8. CA must demand a foreign birth certificate, take a full set of fingerprints, and ascertain the true identity of the appicant. No Jose Smiths allowed.

That’s a start, until a new president cleans up this mess.

cane_loader on October 2, 2012 at 9:32 AM

While I haven’t read every comment, what is glaringly absent from this discussion is: “Crash and Dash(not be confused with “dine and dash”, but even more important).

Illegals all across the Southwest are responsible for dozens, if not hundreds, of vehicular accidents every DAY. Because they are illegal, they just leave the scene. No harm, no foul right? Enabling this brazenly illegal behavior is the fact that States will issue a 30-day liability only insurance policy so that anyone can drive a car off of a used car lot.

In other words, this errant, as usual, Leftist ploy to gain the Hispanic vote has ramifications much deeper than the hand-wringing whiners want to admit. Meanwhile, also as usual, Americans are asleep at the switch.

Gerry Brown was, and is, a national disgrace.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on October 2, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Hotel Kalifornia.
Stupidity on display.
Enjoy

dirtengineer on October 2, 2012 at 2:04 PM

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