NFL Week 4 open thread

posted at 11:01 am on September 30, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I had big plans for this week’s NFL open-thread post if the officials hadn’t returned to duty.  Instead of handicapping the teams, I was going to handicap the refs, making a few references to Lingerie Bowl-reject officiating, and offer crazy predictions … well, crazier than normal, I guess.  The debacle in Seattle derailed those plans, however, and the regular officials returned on Thursday night, and brought back a modicum of sanity in the Ravens’ close win over the Browns.

This week, the Steelers have a bye, so I’ll pick six other games rather than five.  Last week I went 2-4, which I totally blame on the replacement refs, to put me back to .500 at 9-9 for the season.  Let’s see if I can’t get out from behind last week’s eight-ball:

  • Vikings at Lions — The Vikes took care of business against an excellent 49ers team at the Marshmallow Dome, but this week they face a pretty decent Lions team on the road.  Christian Ponder is a little dinged up, too.  I’m picking the Lions at home in a tough divisional contest, 34-30, but if the Vikes can win their first road game today, they may be for real.
  • 49ers at Jets — The 49ers are going to be looking to rebound from their upset loss to the Vikes last week.  The Jets play tough at home — but Darrell Revis is out for the season, too.  I’m going with San Francisco to get out ahead early and keep Mark Sanchez under pressure, with the 49ers outlasting the Jets 24-20.Note: Jazz almost certainly disagrees with me.
  • Raiders at Broncos – The Raiders won their first game of the season last week at home against the Steelers, who played sloppy defense.  I don’t think the Raiders can duplicate that performance against the Broncos at Mile High.  Look for Peyton Manning to start getting hot earlier in games, stick with the no-huddle from the start, and put some big points up on Oakland, 38-27.
  • Dolphins at Cardinals – There are three undefeated teams still left in the NFL, a pretty low number after just three weeks.  This might be the most competitive of the three games today in which they play. Don’t expect Arizona to slow down against Miami, though, which lost a tough OT game last week against the Jets at home.  Arizona should win by a TD, 27-20, without OT.
  • Panthers at Atanta – Another of the unbeaten teams takes the field against a 1-2 opponent — and also should have no trouble with them.  The Panthers have some ability to surprise people, but I don’t think they can stack up against the Falcons in Atlanta.  31-20, Falcons.  (The Titans-Texans game is so lopsided that I won’t bother to make a pick.)
  • Giants at Eagles – This should be a really good game between two division rivals, both at 2-1.  Giants have won their only road game, while Philly won their only home game so far.  Philly’s looked a little ragged, though, and I think the Giants are the stronger team overall, with Michael Vick the real wildcard in the equation.  I wouldn’t be surprised to see this go to OT, but I think the Giants will edge the Eagles, 31-28.

 


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Right? I had no idea he was/is a felon.

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 1:32 PM

I wasn’t either, but it was actually the Viking’s receiver they were talking about. The Lion’s have had many off season problems with players this last summer, so I just assumed it was one I didn’t hear about.

NotCoach on September 30, 2012 at 1:38 PM

NotCoach on September 30, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Oh! That’s okay then =) I feel sooo much better about the 1st quarter now.

But seriously? Stafford had better get busy, and soon.

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Colin Kaepernick 7 Yard Run–TD!

Rovin on September 30, 2012 at 1:45 PM

…(notice…I’m being quiet after the Lions kickoff…I’m cleaning the carpet!…I just accused our cats of coughing up hairballs… in front of our TV!)

KOOLAID2 on September 30, 2012 at 1:46 PM

It’s a close game in Houston. The Titans haven’t been more than 100 yards away from the play all game, so far.

Wino on September 30, 2012 at 1:47 PM

…well, I can always switch over to NASCAR @ Dover.

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 1:53 PM

KOOLAID2 on September 30, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Stupid cat!

;)

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Patriots fumble the ball away for the first time this season. Bills immediately cash in. 7-7.

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Go Rams! Beat the Seahags

Green_Bay_Packers on September 30, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Ugh. C’mon Lions… at least ‘meow’

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Gonna be a long season for New England.

abobo on September 30, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Gonna be a long season all ’round

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Gonna be a long season for New England.
abobo on September 30, 2012 at 2:10 PM

I’m sure there’s a great deal of sympathy for them in the rest of the league. They should go videotape something to get their mind off their problems

Green_Bay_Packers on September 30, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Go Rams! Beat the Seahags

Green_Bay_Packers on September 30, 2012 at 2:03 PM

THAT …..

conservative tarheel on September 30, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Go Steelers!

(ducks for cover)

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 11:13 AM

go where …. aren’t they still in Oakland picking up their pride ???

/ducks for cover ….

I have a new found respect for the regular refs. It’s not that I won’t get PO’d when they make a bad call, but the last few weeks has made me realize just how often they do get it right!

Go 49ers…they need to redeem themselves after getting beat by the VikQueens last week!

Liberty or Death on September 30, 2012 at 11:29 AM

the next time a coach gets in a refs face over a call … the ref can ask him … would you rather bring back the other guys?
heh

conservative tarheel on September 30, 2012 at 2:26 PM

NotCoach:

Have them shoot me next.

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 2:40 PM

come ON lions … your better then THIS …..

conservative tarheel on September 30, 2012 at 2:47 PM

…my cats a coughing and puking up Lion special team hairballs again!

KOOLAID2 on September 30, 2012 at 2:48 PM

OT: AL East Pennant Race Update. Baltimore and NY are tied for first place going into today’s games.

Toronto 5
NY Yankees 1 (6th Inning)

Baltimore 4
Boston 1

(5th Inning; this game started 30 minutes after the Tor/NY game)

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Come on Baltimore!

gophergirl on September 30, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Damn the Vikings are playing a HELL of a game. Damn them.

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Just great…Ed just had to opine about the Jets…may has well congratulate 49ers fans for a win and get it over with :/

JetBoy on September 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM

*cough*

JetBoy on September 30, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Fellow Patriots fan, 15 minutes ago:

New offensive coordinator Bobby Valentine needs to step up.

N.E. then went out and scored 14 points in 4+ minutes; game now tied 21-21 near the end of the 3rd quarter.

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 3:16 PM

AL East Update

Baltimore 6
Boston 1

(Top of 7th)

Toronto 5
NY Yankees 5

(Bottom of 7th)

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Matthew Stafford is about 9 minutes away from losing my bromance with him.

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 3:28 PM

I notice Ed won’t touch the N.O. vs G.B game.

Just to hang it out there, I’ll give my gut prediction I’ve been feeling all week:

Set your DVRs, as this one may be one of those NFL classics that comes along once every season or two.

Pack feels gypped by the refs – NFL not having its s*** together, starts the season 1-2, and they’re at home.

Saints feel scapegoated by Goodell’s crazy-quilt Torquemada punishments – again, NFL not having its s*** together, Who-Dat nation starts the season 0-3, away.

Two Hall-of-Fame quarterbacks. Two franchises with a lot of pride who are getting knocked about by the fickle finger of fate.

First game of last season was an epic clash that G.B. won by the skin of their teeth. Saints want payback.

Prediction – both QBs come out on fire; epic high-scoring slugfest for the ages that goes to OT, the teams trade field goals, then each gets near the goal line, only to be thrown back.. goes to second OT and one team wins it after a long bomb, brilliantly caught, is then fumbled at the goal line after a crushing hit, returned 99-1/2 yards for a winning TD.

Yeah, one can only hope – but I’m feeling it… epic game coming :-)

cane_loader on September 30, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Okay Stafford. You can sleep with me ex now.

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Looks like the lay-over in Ohio worked out for the Niners #killin’ the Jets.

Rovin on September 30, 2012 at 3:46 PM

me = *my

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 3:47 PM

New England now taking it to the house. 5 TDs in their last 5 drives, and it’s 42-21 with 10 minutes left in the game.

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 3:45 PM

…our cornerbacks think their job is to just stay in stride with the receivers and raise an arm once in a while…then they done good!

KOOLAID2 on September 30, 2012 at 3:53 PM

AL East

Baltimore 6
Boston 3

(Final)

New York 7
Toronto 5

(End of 8 Innings)

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Goodbye Lions.

For today.

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Frustrating. And the Lion’s special teams play is atrocious once again.

NotCoach on September 30, 2012 at 4:05 PM

I keep hearing that the 49ers have the most talent and the deepest bench, there must be something to that.

Cindy Munford on September 30, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Atlanta FG!

10 secs

Tim_CA on September 30, 2012 at 4:22 PM

AL East

New York Yankees 9
Toronto 6

Combined with Baltimore’s earlier win over Boston, the O’s remain tied with the Yankees for 1st place, now with 3 games to go.

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Stat for the Ages:

In today’s Patriots-Bills game, New England had 2 rushers with 100+ yards each and 2 receivers with 100+ yards each.

When was the last time that happened? The announcers babbled something about it but I didn’t catch all of what they said.

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 4:39 PM

The call is confirmed: The real officials suck a little less.

CW on September 30, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Upon further review, maybe it wasn’t that the replacements were so bad as it is that the NFL has a vendetta against the Packers this year as the supposedly great regular refs just missed a blatant offensive interference call that resulted in a Saints touchdown that anybody sitting in the highest corners of Lambeau Field saw more clearly than the blindlings in stripes standing in front of the play on the field. Welcome back, overpaid incompetents!

stukinIL4now on September 30, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Hey Del, do you think that the Sox can play spoiler? Would be a small token for the fans if they did.

Patriots put up 50+ points and ahd two missed field goals and at least one dropped pass in the end zone. It could have been even a bigger smack down.

D-fusit on September 30, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Go Aaron! What a throw! And what a catch!!!!

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Hey Del, do you think that the Sox can play spoiler? Would be a small token for the fans if they did.

D-fusit on September 30, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Red Sox’ final 3 games are against the Yankees in New York. Meanwhile, Baltimore has to play their final 3 games in Tampa.

Should be interesting.

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 5:07 PM

We’re going to blow the Ryder Cup aren’t we?

gophergirl on September 30, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Red Sox’ final 3 games are against the Yankees in New York. Meanwhile, Baltimore has to play their final 3 games in Tampa.

Should be interesting.

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Exactly what I was thinking! Makes you go Hmmmmmm…..

D-fusit on September 30, 2012 at 5:16 PM

We’re going to blow the Ryder Cup aren’t we?

gophergirl on September 30, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Scary that it could come down to Tiger!

D-fusit on September 30, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Love it! Packers successfully pull off the fake punt ‘n’ run for a first down play for a second time this season. Could become a possibility on any punt the rest of the season.

stukinIL4now on September 30, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Red Sox’ final 3 games are against the Yankees in New York. Meanwhile, Baltimore has to play their final 3 games in Tampa.

Should be interesting.

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Exactly what I was thinking! Makes you go Hmmmmmm…..

D-fusit on September 30, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Over the past 10 games, each of the teams are:

Baltimore: 7-3

NY Yankees: 6-4

Tampa Bay: 9-1

Boston: 1-9

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Drew Brees looking very sharp for the very first time this year.

His arm has looked bad all year. I think he may be hurt. No zip on his passes. Today he’s gutting it out. On his last two TD drives he just went 16 out of his last 17 passes.

So now, with Brees in top gear, the big question is, what are we going to see from the rest of the Saints?

Big, big game.

cane_loader on September 30, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Next week I’m a huge Panthers fan. Screw the Seahags!

Green_Bay_Packers on September 30, 2012 at 6:10 PM

These refs aren’t any better than the replacements.

Rose on September 30, 2012 at 6:25 PM

We’re going to blow the Ryder Cup aren’t we?

gophergirl on September 30, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Done did.

Epic choke job.

BallisticBob on September 30, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Rodgers face-mask hold looked bad.

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Brutal, even. It seems he may have an eye injury.

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Maybe Brees isn’t hurt?!

WOOP!

cane_loader on September 30, 2012 at 6:41 PM

“Bring back the Replacement Refs!”

/GB Packers fans

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 6:42 PM

80 YRD TD! GB will pay that one back =)

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 6:42 PM

It almost looked like Rodgers’ helmet scraped his eye as it got twisted. I hope he’s not hurt.

cane_loader on September 30, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Apparently it was. Interception.

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Done did.

Epic choke job.

BallisticBob on September 30, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Unbelievable *shakes head*

gophergirl on September 30, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Brees brought his “A” game.

For several seasons now, that means that average opponents get blown out, and good opponents lose by 10 to 14.

So what I’m watching right now is to see how much worse this year’s team is, aside from Brees. This game is an important weather vane for where the Saints need to go.

cane_loader on September 30, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Do the Saints always play dirty?

Rose on September 30, 2012 at 6:59 PM

GB FTW

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Carda going into OT

cmsinaz on September 30, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Oh here we go again.

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Brees down!

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 7:25 PM

I thought these were the real refs, not the ones who couldn’t shoot straight.

Ygritte on September 30, 2012 at 7:30 PM

1 point!! Go Green Bay!! Keep it!!

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 7:37 PM

This is the most screwed up entertaining game I’ve seen in a long time.

I can’t stand the Packers or the Saints so I’m enjoying this.

gophergirl on September 30, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Done and DONE!!!

Great job Packers!!!

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Well, one of two things today turned out OK.

I didn’t burn the Lump Crabmeat au Gratin.

cane_loader on September 30, 2012 at 7:45 PM

The regular refs do suck as bad as the replacements and they were so awful in the Packers-Saints game today that I almost decided to quit watching NFL after 50 years–who needs the aggravation. All those freakin’ billions of dollars and Goodell can’t deliver better than this. NFL fans deserve way better.

stukinIL4now on September 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM

OMG!…are all the games going to be decided in the last minute today?

KOOLAID2 on September 30, 2012 at 8:26 PM

12-2 not bad
will try to honor my best

smitty41 on September 30, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Well, one of two things today turned out OK.

I didn’t burn the Lump Crabmeat au Gratin.

cane_loader on September 30, 2012 at 7:45 PM

I have no idea what that is, but it sounds delicious.

Ugly on September 30, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Astonishingly bad officiating in the New Orleans/Green Bay game, but my beloved Packers survive it. Two fumbles missed and an obvious offensive pass interference, but the key thing was, none of them happened on the last play of the game.

Mr. D on September 30, 2012 at 8:55 PM

49ERS, GROUNDED, POUNDED AND SHUT OUT THE JETS IN NY!! WOOO…HOOO!

Liberty or Death on September 30, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Drew Brees tied Johnny Unitas’s “Unbreakable Record” streak of consecutive games with at least one TD pass. He will break it next week versus his old team, the Chargers.

Christien on September 30, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Patriots owner Robert Kraft was formally given the George Halas award on the field, prior to today’s game between the Patriots and Bills.

The award is handed out annually by the Professional Football Writers of America, It’s given to the NFL player, coach or staff member who overcomes the most adversity to succeed.

Kraft was cited for his role in ending the NFL lockout, while also dealing with his late wife Myra’s cancer battle. With her blessing, Kraft shuttled back and forth between her hospital bed and the labor negotiations.

It was five days after she passed away on July 20, that a 10-year CBA agreement was announced.

Del Dolemonte on September 30, 2012 at 11:50 PM

If any NFL fans were wondering “Why did Buddy Ryan punch out Kevin Gilbride on the sidelines in Houston 20 years ago?” the play calling in the last 45 seconds of the Giants-Eagles game pretty much explains it.

jon1979 on October 1, 2012 at 12:04 AM

jon1979 on October 1, 2012 at 12:04 AM

ah fun times..Houston fans are in a better place now

DanMan on October 1, 2012 at 8:03 AM

“Only in Philadelphia can one experience the thrill of victory and the agony of reading about it the next day.”
Mike Schmidt

Bevan on October 1, 2012 at 8:34 AM

Tim_CA I owe you a Sam Adams, but as bad as the 49ers beat the Jets making it a 6 pack

smitty41 on October 1, 2012 at 10:41 AM

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