About that “Romney-Ryan” chanting on MSNBC – Updated

posted at 8:31 am on September 29, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

(See updates below – Jazz)

There was yet another story this week making the rounds regarding a Romney-Ryan stop on the campaign trail, alleging some dirty tricks by the media in their coverage. But this one really serves more to highlight what happens when politicos wind up with too much time on their hands during the silly season. In it, we find charges of media skullduggery in their attempts to get Barack Obama elected to a second term. (Nothing new there, I’m sure.) But this one seems to have problems.

Here’s the clip in question, where MSNBC host Joe Scarborough reacts to a clip of Paul Ryan introducing Mitt Romney during the event in question, and Mitt responding to the chants of the crowd.

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After Ryan finishes the intro, Mitt grabs the mic and says, “Wow! That’s quite a guy, isn’t it? Paul Ryan! Isn’t that something?” At this point the crowd breaks out into a chant. This is where the “controversy” begins.

If you listen closely, it’s obvious the audio in the clip has been adjusted. However, that’s not uncommon — and that doesn‘t necessarily mean it’s MSNBC who did it. Sound technicians usually cut out the audience to ensure speakers aren’t drowned out (which you can do by simply turning the mics up and down — or you can do after the fact). However, where the controversy comes in is in the caption on the screen quoting the audience as chanting “Ryan!” Why is that controversial? Because people who attended the event say that’s not what happened, and that the MSNBC video grossly misrepresents what actually occurred.

Yes, the caption on the screen reads, “Ryan! Ryan!” And when Mitt jumps in to urge the crowd to say, “Romney Ryan” it comes off looking kind of awkward. But that’s the entire point that Scarborough seems to be reacting to… that it was a brief, forgettable moment which wound up coming off poorly on video and simply opened the door to another event “gaffe.”

But more to the point, it’s a bit of a leap to try to assume some sort of conspiracy on the part of MSNBC here, no matter what your normal inclinations are. I pulled the audio line of the clip out using Audacity and played it several times at high volume with some background noise dampening. (And without.) A lot of people were chanting “Ryan.” Why wouldn’t they? The guy is very popular and had not only just finished speaking, but was also complimented by the candidate. And without a doubt, some other people were chanting “Romney.”

But the way it played on video was… awkward. Was it a campaign ending – or even influencing – flub? No.. it’s a nothingburger. But was it a conspiracy by MSNBC? As the original article admits, it’s pretty much standard editing. How each person interprets it is up to them. But… a MSM conspiracy? Sorry… I’m just not seeing it. I believe Romney heard some of the people yelling “Romney!” and wanted to spread the credit around, but did so at a moment which left the reaction open to any interpretation partisans might like.

So what was this in the end? It’s us having way too much time on our hands while we wait for the first debate. You can find more than enough incidents of media bias all around the dial to keep things clicking along, but in this case, there simply wasn’t any “there there” on either side. Scarborough is one of the few conservatives given time on MSNBC (though you should also check out S.E. Cupp on “The Cycle” in the afternoon) and it’s kind of self defeating to tear down one of the reasonable voices on the network. If you really think Scarborough is trying to get Obama reelected, I honestly don’t know what to say to you. This was really a case of nothing to see here… move along.

UPDATE 9/30: Jazz

Given the, shall we say, “energetic” response to this piece which I’ve received through multiple channels, a fair portion of the weekend was spent digging further into this story. (A fact I am still gobsmacked by, given the completely trivial nature of the original clip.) Yet a few more interesting twists and turns to the tale have emerged.

First of all, as was previously reported, MSNBC picked up on the story via Politico. Here is their original video, still available on line, where they ran the fifteen seconds of film from the event with the headline, “Romney changes crowd’s chant to include his name.” Even if they backed off on the story later, this was the source MSNBC originally picked up. I’ve run that video against the one shown on Morning Joe, including the audio tracks, and they are identical. But there’s another twist to come.

In an effort to verify the story, I contacted MSNBC. In the process of preparing to air the clip, they sought out confirmation and located an article from the New York Times, which many readers referenced as proof that Politico’s line about what the crowd was chanting was incorrect. (Leading to the suggestion that Morning Joe must have cooked the books on it.) That article in its current form ends as follows:

The other is that the PowerPoint slides and wonky talk work powerfully well with many people who leave feeling that they have not been lectured to, but empowered.

“He speaks the truth, and he gives us facts,” Jackie Sullivan said after a rally in Orlando, Fla., last weekend that drew more than 2,000 people.

But avoiding missteps is now critical for the both of them, as they fight together to chip into Mr. Obama’s lead.

After Mr. Ryan whooped up the crowd in Vandalia on Tuesday, Mr. Romney moved to the front of the stage. As the crowd began chanting “Romney! Romney!” he cut them off.“Wait a second,” Mr. Romney said, instructing the audience to cheer for “Romney-Ryan! Romney-Ryan!” They did.

“There we go,” he said, pleased.

Michael Barbaro contributed reporting from New York.

But early in the news cycle, when MSNBC was checking into it, there was something else there. A correction was posted on the story, which has since disappeared. Here’s how the end of the article looked that morning, as captured by another site’s RSS feed.

The other is that the PowerPoint slides and wonky talk work powerfully well with many people who leave feeling that they have not been lectured to, but empowered.

“He speaks the truth, and he gives us facts,” Jackie Sullivan said after a rally in Orlando, Fla., last weekend that drew more than 2,000 people.

Michael Barbaro contributed reporting from New York.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: September 25, 2012

An earlier version of this article referred to the crowd at a rally in Vandalia, Ohio, chanting “Romney! Romney!” as Mr. Romney took the stage. Upon closer review of the audio, it was unclear if the crowd was chanting for Mr. Romney, his running mate, Paul Ryan, or for both men.

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So, when MSNBC went to check on the story, the Gray Lady had included a correction saying that the crowd reaction may have been the same as that reported in Politico. While the correction has since disappeared, I reached out to a source familiar with the processing of the story who confirmed that the retraction had been been there, but was no longer present.

The bottom line to this entire sad tale is that the original story – involving fifteen seconds of a crowd chanting at a campaign rally – has now morphed beyond what was at first nothing more than a potentially amusing moment on the campaign trail and become a meta-story in a pair of campaigns which frequently remain about nothing. But in this case, too many people who are ostensibly fighting for the conservative cause have chosen to concoct a conspiracy theory in which one of the conservative voices in the mainstream media is secretly trying to undermine the Romney campaign and facilitate President Obama’s reelection. And for suggesting that we might be jumping the gun on this, I received a near record number of responses suggesting that I’m all too willing to buy into this media narrative and lend a hand. Morning Joe took a fast moving story from a frequently cited source – Politico – and checked with the New York Times and ran it.

Was the story flawed? Almost certainly. Did it hold any great importance for voters considering their choices in November? No. But vilifying one of our own during the silly season near the end of the election isn’t helping anyone. Let’s close the book on this one, folks.


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Wow, way to miss the point entirely genius, there’s been reporters and members of the audience say that the crowd wasn’t chanting Ryan but was in fact chanting Romney which entirely negates your premise. Even Buzzfeed, hardly a friend of Romney, says Scarborough’s full of it, but hey, guess you saw lil’joey’s warning that he would “take note” of anyone who didn’t kiss his a** and decided whose side you’d be on, great work champ.

clearbluesky on September 29, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Home run.

Jazz does some really good work, especially on climate and energy. But on this matter, we part company.

If once in a blue moon MSM is falsely accused, after all the times we have been falsely accused by MSM, don’t expect me to waste ink on making their defense.

petefrt on September 29, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Don’t know if you guys have noticed, but even the ridiculous “unskewedpolls.com” site is showing huge movement to Obama in their tracking poll, moving from Romney +12 to Romney +3 this week.

gumbyandpokey on September 29, 2012 at 9:53 AM

This is like a contagion – the lies and bullshit are everywhere….

FORGET the polls – VOTE for ROMNEY….

A vote for Obummer is lost to the criminals.

redguy on September 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Read Caddell’s piece on Breitbart from yesterday if you haven’t.

RepubChica on September 29, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Thanks. I’m at a loss over this. It’s not just Romney that’s weak tea. It’s almost the entire GOP.

If they wuss this one away, it’ll be the last time I support their spineless establishment candidates.

petefrt on September 29, 2012 at 12:01 PM

So now Mitt is behind EVEN IN RASMUSSEN?

We are really stupid aren’t we?

The gop nominates ANOTHER Limp handshake/ nicey nice republican and they lose?……and we are told every election cycle it will be different.

1976……..the establishment denies Reagan and picks Ford and that gives us Jimmy Carter and a radicalized Iran.

1992……..after he failed to deliver a third Reagan term and showed us he was really a big gov loving RINO Bush 41 loses after floundering for weeks in a re-elect campaign for nothing.

1996……next in line RINO Bob Dole who we found out later the Doles were dinner buddies with Bill and Hillary!!!

2008…….McCain “fight with me”, but the fire in the belly in that campaign was the Yukon Barbie not the old desert RINO who said we had nothing to fear from an Obama Presidency.

2012…..another gop nominee that carpet bombs the primary contenders and the nominates a young fire in the belly VP but the Mitt goes all squishy.

Notice a trend??? Another day lost in the effort to unseat the worst President in American History.

And you think Andrew Cuomo the next Democrat nominee in 2016 is going to play nice and easy with the gop nominee?

Most likely to happen 2016…….September 29th we”‘ll be saying the same thing about someone running against Cuomo.

PappyD61 on September 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Romney is now officially the only major party candidate in history whose unfavorable (50) rating is higher than his favorable rating (43). He was no Mr. Congeniality before, but The 47% percent gaffe sent him spiraling downward. His recent attempts to soften his image on such shows as Kelly Ripa’s show comes off as awkward at best. Obama is just running out the clock at this point.

ZippyZ on September 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM

But I, for one, saw it in broad daylight. Romney staff are really jealous of how warmly the conservatives are receiving Ryan in the campaign trail.

TheAlamos on September 29, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Nope, sorry. You’re just another lying Obama troll desperately trying to get free checks and cell phones.

What’s your excuse? Too fat? Too lazy? Don’t want to miss a minute of daytime TV?

Don’t know if you guys have noticed, but even the ridiculous “unskewedpolls.com” site is showing huge movement to Obama in their tracking poll, moving from Romney +12 to Romney +3 this week.

gumbyandpokey on September 29, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Nope, sorry. You’re just another lying Obama troll desperately trying to get free checks and cell phones.

What’s your excuse? Too fat? Too lazy? Don’t want to miss a minute of daytime TV?

And also, let me add something. The day after Obama loses, when you and your fellow leeches are planning to riot in the streets, think about this:

1) Conservatives have put up for years with you calling them everything but nice.

2) Conservatives will be able to finally see what you look like and who you are.

From that part forward, how likely do you think you are to be hired, socialized with, befriended, or helped — when you’ve made it obvious that you think all conservatives are idiots who you wish would drop dead, to whom you have no problem with lying, and who you do things for the sheer purpose of antagonizing them?

You and your fellow Obamabots are all-in on this election, which I think you dimly realize. That’s why your owner Obama has been dialing the free-sh*t machine up to 11 and screaming Fuhrer-like from his teleprompters that Romney/Ryan means that you would have to work for your income instead of getting everything for free!

There will indeed be a crash following Romney’s election — in the lifestyle of the parasite class to which you and yours belong that has been bleeding the productive class dry.

So think about that — and the fact that the only people who will be willing to pay you and take care of you after Election Day are the productive, the business owners, and Christians/churches that you have been lambasting.

northdallasthirty on September 29, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Romney is now officially the only major party candidate in history whose unfavorable (50) rating is higher than his favorable rating (43). He was no Mr. Congeniality before, but The 47% percent gaffe sent him spiraling downward. His recent attempts to soften his image on such shows as Kelly Ripa’s show comes off as awkward at best. Obama is just running out the clock at this point.

ZippyZ on September 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Nope, sorry. You’re just another lying Obama troll desperately trying to get free checks and cell phones.

We’ve seen your lies about Romney before, and we’ve sent you running away screaming with facts exploding all around you.

What’s your excuse? Too fat? Too lazy? Don’t want to miss a minute of daytime TV?

northdallasthirty on September 29, 2012 at 12:12 PM

9/29/2012, the day Jazz Shaw officially jumped the shark and Hotair lost it’s way.

Sad.

JPeterman on September 29, 2012 at 12:17 PM

JPeterman on September 29, 2012 at 12:17 PM

It’s not as bad as all that. The nicest and most maddening thing about Republicans is they want to be fair.

Cindy Munford on September 29, 2012 at 12:20 PM

This story is another distraction. It was an awkward moment for Romney–he’s kind of an awkward guy, and it’s part of his dad-charm. Did MSNBC doctor the clip? Probably. Who knows? Who cares?

I’m sad to say that MSNBC (or major media) doctoring this clip isn’t a scandal. At least, it isn’t the most important scandal of the day. Sadly, we have much bigger problems. The big story that really matters here is that the president’s foreign policy is in shambles, our embassies are being attacked, AQ remains enough of a threat coordinate at least one of these embassy attacks, and the Obama Administration lies about all of it, trying to conceal it. And the press won’t hold Obama to account; the press won’t even talk about this story–truly an epic scandal!

And we’re sitting around b*itching about some meaningless 30-second piece of tape, watching it and re-watching it for evidence of tampering? Really? We really need to keep our eye on the ball, folks. These endless discussions about the latest so-called gaffe of the day (or about the accuracy of public opinion polling) aren’t getting us anywhere.

When we aren’t talking about Obama’s failure with the economy, we need to be talking about Obama’s failure on foreign policy. And if we must talk about the media, we ought to focus on the fact that they aren’t covering the glaring failures of Obama’s time in office, and the other major issues of the campaign.

ghostwriter on September 29, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Like a lot of other questionable stories, it sticks because it fits the narrative. IOW, it sounds exactly like the kind of thing a somewhat-awkward politician like Romney might do.

Add in the unquestionable hostility that the media has to even a squishy Republican, and the whole thing starts looking inevitable.

Yes, it’s probably unfair to Romney. That doesn’t mean you’ll be able to convince more than a few.

tom on September 29, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Romney is now officially the only major party candidate in history blahblahblah who has the entire mainstream media as well as a whole suite of those purportedly in his party bought and paid for by the opposition to stream out non-stop lies and disinformation, and even so remain in a virtual dead heat with the anointed establishment candidate.

ZippyZ on September 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM

FIFY.

And how’s that working out for you, anyway? With nearly EVERYONE in the bag for him, your guy is lucky to get 50% approval.

Major, epic fail for you and your MSM fellow travelers, and an ongoing victory for rationality and reason.

But really, thanks for playing our game.

AJsDaddie on September 29, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 11:36 AM

that facepalm would be deserved if indeed only romney was being chanted.

I see the cspan video again it this is curious:
if you try to hear ryan, I can hear ryan. if you try to hear romney, you will hear romney.

its some kind of psychological thing, that hearing a garbled choir of voices, you preconceived bias can help you filter out stuff so you hear what you expect to hear.

so my assumption is that both names were being chanted. in my opinion it makes more sense to chant ryan after that praise, but maybe some in the crowd were just on automatic romney chant no matter what he said, so, both chants mixed.

assuming this, it explains a lot. the journalists that hear romney might have been closer to a romney chanters. we can never be sure.
regarding romney, what did he hear? romney? ryan? or both? his reaction seems to make sense if he hears both. and its a true nothing burger!

however, yeah, the partisans will hear what they want to hear:
msnbc want to hear ryan so they label romney and spins it in a negative for romney.
townhall want to hear romney so the they show the same video, but with the introduction they give, people expect romney and then hear Romney. then townhall spins this as a positive for romney, trying to include ryan in his chant.

it quite possible that both msnbc and townhall were unaware that its just a psychological phenomena at play when they proceeded with their spins. at least they have the benefit of the doubt.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 12:28 PM

It’s not as bad as all that. The nicest and most maddening thing about Republicans is they want to be fair.

Cindy Munford on September 29, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Cindy, I love you dearly, but it really is as bad as all that. We’re less than six weeks out and it’s time to make it clear: you’re with us or against us. The independents aren’t going to be swayed by how fair or nice we are, but by whether we counter immediately and forcefully every lie put forth by the opposition.

And those like Jazz who have chosen to represent us are especially required to take up that fight. If they don’t, they are traitors. It’s an ugly word, but it’s the only one that applies at this point.

Sorry, but I’m fighting for AJ. Who are you fighting for? (That’s rhetorical, by the way; I know you’re fighting the good fight.)

AJsDaddie on September 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM

How hard is it to just get a REAL LIMITED GOVERNMENT CONSERVATIVE nominated in the gop?

Well since it hasn’t happened since 1984……I’d say nearly impossible.

So if the gop isn’t going to do it we have two options:

Either abandon the gop to the RINOs and let them continue to whine and cry like Boehner or:

Realize we are going to have to start a third party and make it Conservative.

I bet if you go in the offices of the Romney campaign…….you’ll see another day they are doing “just fine”.

September 29th, another day lost to go after Obama the Allen West jugular way.

Forward……over the cliff America!!!

PappyD61 on September 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Yes, it’s probably unfair to Romney. That doesn’t mean you’ll be able to convince more than a few.

tom on September 29, 2012 at 12:23 PM

But Tom, that may be all we need: to convince a few. And Jazz is not doing his job in that regard.

AJsDaddie on September 29, 2012 at 12:31 PM

It’s not as bad as all that. The nicest and most maddening thing about Republicans is they want to be fair.

Cindy Munford on September 29, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Sure it is Ms.Munford. If I wanted to read stuff defending MSNBC and making excuses for them, I’d go and read at HuffPoo or KOS.

JPeterman on September 29, 2012 at 12:34 PM

JPeterman on September 29, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I said maddening!

Cindy Munford on September 29, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Joe Scarborough and S.E. Cupp are conservatives?

News to me.

jawkneemusic on September 29, 2012 at 12:47 PM

AJsDaddie on September 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM

I know. I don’t even understand how it is close. The only thing I can cling to is that Carter had big leads in the “polls” at this same point in 80.

Cindy Munford on September 29, 2012 at 12:47 PM

that facepalm would be deserved if indeed only romney was being chanted.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Bless your little heart.

Believe me, that facepalm is deserved. And it has nothing to do with whose name the crowd was chanting.

i dont think msnbc doctored the video, they just put there some subtitles to induce viwers to think ryan was being chanted.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 11:25 AM

If you can’t grasp that MSNBC adding “some subtitles to induce viwers to think ryan was being chanted” to the video IS doctoring the video, then not only is the facepalm deserved…

here’s your sign.

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 12:48 PM

The fact is that Scarborough is certainly not what I’d even remotely call a ‘conservative’.

That’s almost as absurd as calling David Brooks, Frum, and Noonan ‘conservatives’.

thatsafactjack on September 29, 2012 at 12:48 PM

If Mitt Romney wins, Mr. Shaw, he should make you Ambassador to Bali for your high-wire even-handedness skillz.

:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on September 29, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Cindy Munford on September 29, 2012 at 12:47 PM
You’re exactly right, of course. But, how would you know, when you only turn 21 today?:)

P.S. I’m bettin’ my FB friend takes you someplace special.

kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 12:50 PM

If you can’t grasp that MSNBC adding “some subtitles to induce viwers to think ryan was being chanted” to the video IS doctoring the video, then not only is the facepalm deserved…

…here’s your sign.

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 12:48 PM

the question is, was MSNBC aware of the that both names are in chant or not? if they were, and they in purpose labeled in to induce error, they yes, you are right. or maybe they just thought the ryan was not clear enough and labeled to make it clear but still thinking to themselves that only ryan was being chanted.
its hard to know. and we cannot be sure.

yeah, maybe i am being naive, msnbc does love to spin it for the dems and starts to be a mirror image of fox.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Extra soft — with a heaping side order of squishy.

Unreal.

FlatFoot on September 29, 2012 at 1:02 PM

kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 12:50 PM

We are still celebrating with the newlyweds, when you get to be “21″ commemorating the day isn’t as fun as it use to be. Although it still beats the alternative.

Cindy Munford on September 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM

And those like Jazz who have chosen to represent us are especially required to take up that fight. If they don’t, they are traitors. It’s an ugly word, but it’s the only one that applies at this point.

Sorry, but I’m fighting for AJ. Who are you fighting for? (That’s rhetorical, by the way; I know you’re fighting the good fight.)

AJsDaddie on September 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM

You have it backwards. It’s we Democrats who are supposed to — by tradition — form the circular firing squads. But is you want to turn viciously on a good conservative simply because he hasn’t gone along with a particularly pathetic whine of the day, I’m happy to pass the ammo.

Yet another sign that the Romney campaign is collapsing.

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM

yeah, maybe i am being naive, msnbc does love to spin it for the dems and starts to be a mirror image of fox.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM

When does Fox “spin it for the” Republicans? Really. When have they ever been caught doctoring a video? The thing that makes Fox a right-of-center news organization is their willingness to cover stories that may challenge the left’s preconceived notions, and their willingness to give right-of-center commentators a fair hearing of their views. MSNBC is nothing like a mirror image of Fox, excluding funhouse mirrors.

ghostwriter on September 29, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Cindy Munford on September 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM

You got that right.

kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Scarborough is one of the few conservatives given time on MSNBC (though you should also check out S.E. Cupp on “The Cycle” in the afternoon) and it’s kind of self defeating to tear down one of the reasonable voices on the network.

There is so much wrong with that statement I wouldn’t know where to begin.

lowandslow on September 29, 2012 at 1:09 PM

maybe they just thought the ryan was not clear enough and labeled to make it clear but still thinking to themselves that only ryan was being chanted. its hard to know. and we cannot be sure.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Yes, we can, from eyewitness accounts of reporters for other liberal media outlets that were actually there and heard what happened.

The fact that as of last night – after being told by several eyewitnesses what really happened – MSNBC, and especially Joe Scarborough, is sticking with their original report, is just doubling down on their deceptive lie.

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 1:09 PM

There’s going to be a landslide victory in November. President Romney is coming.

balkanmom on September 29, 2012 at 1:10 PM

There’s going to be a landslide victory in November. President Romney is coming.

balkanmom on September 29, 2012 at 1:10 PM

I sure hope so. This campaign makes me very nervous. It seems to me that in a free country, one election shouldn’t matter as much as this one does. Far, far too many of our countrymen–very nearly half the country– seems unmoored from any understanding of what having a constitutional republic means.

ghostwriter on September 29, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Yet another sign that the Romney campaign is collapsing.

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM

You just keep telling yourself that, troll.

JPeterman on September 29, 2012 at 1:19 PM

When does Fox “spin it for the” Republicans? Really. When have they ever been caught doctoring a video?

ohhh that is tooo easy:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-november-10-2009/sean-hannity-uses-glenn-beck-s-protest-footage

The thing that makes Fox a right-of-center news organization is their willingness to cover stories that may challenge the left’s preconceived notions, and their willingness to give right-of-center commentators a fair hearing of their views.

I am too much a fan of the daily show to buy that. time and time again they were caught red handed with their double standards and hypocrisy that is just beyond ridiculous. fox news IS heavily partisan.

MSNBC is nothing like a mirror image of Fox, excluding funhouse mirrors.

ghostwriter on September 29, 2012 at 1:05 PM

a funny thing is that I actually don’t watch tv much and most of my political opinions are formed from a diverse set of web sites.
still I have not seen an republican john Stewart, ripping apart msnbc week after week. if msnbc was as badly partisan as fox, it should be an easy task.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 1:26 PM

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Hey ue, I searched and searched, but I didn’t see any of your comments on this thread:

Obama administration tries to block sequester layoff notices

hmmm, now why would that be?

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 1:27 PM

lol no one likes Mitt an unlikeable conservative what a shock

DBear on September 29, 2012 at 1:28 PM

You guys do know that even the biased Morning Joe thing helps Rs. Reporting that the crowd was chanting “Ryan” makes it seem that Ryan is more appealing as a candidate than Romney (which he is). It is another story added to the collection of stories that Romney is losing because he is an awkward, bad candidate (and yes, that Ohio rally was pretty cringeworthy.) However, while they’re pointing out that Romney is a bad candidate, the MSM is also pointing out that Ryan is an appealing one. There have been lots of stories popping up this week about Ryan rescuing Romney and charisma, energy, etc. is being used a lot to describe Ryan and his stump style. It’s ramped up a bit since Ryan friends and allies (especially his BFF Scott Walker) started complaining about Ryan being shackled in the campaign. It’s almost like they were trying to help their friend and bolster his 2016 chances. Why Romney lost is already being written.. He’s a bad candidate, especially in comparison to his VP. Notice that it isn’t about Ryan’s Medicare proposal. Ryan is going to end up in the free and clear on this as long as he skewers Biden into little pieces in the debate.

I think that there is a good chance that Romney loses. Image matters in politics. It’s why we have Obama now. This campaign reminds me of 2004, right down to the stiff MA politician. We should brace ourselves for a loss and think of happy stories (Mia Love.) However, Romney’s loss in 2012 probably means President Ryan in 2016, which isn’t such a bad deal.

Illinidiva on September 29, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Answer me this, if MSNBC had no agenda to promote; why would they find the need to put subtitles up on the screen? I can’t make the determination what was being said myself?

To all the non believers out there; MSNBC HAS AN AGENDA TO GET THEIR GUY OBAMA REELECTED, IF YOU CAN’T SEE THAT GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR A**

Carry on.

reddevil on September 29, 2012 at 1:32 PM

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Again, bless your little heart.

Let me introduce you to Newsbusters and Media Research Center.

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 1:33 PM

The fact that as of last night – after being told by several eyewitnesses what really happened – MSNBC, and especially Joe Scarborough, is sticking with their original report, is just doubling down on their deceptive lie.

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 1:09 PM

where where the eyewitnesses located? near romney chanters or ryan chanters?

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 1:37 PM

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Hey ue, I searched and searched, but I didn’t see any of your comments on this thread:

Obama administration tries to block sequester layoff notices

hmmm, now why would that be?

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 1:27 PM

DBear on September 29, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Gee, here’s another troll who is conspicuously absent from the above mentioned thread.

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Answer me this, if MSNBC had no agenda to promote; why would they find the need to put subtitles up on the screen? I can’t make the determination what was being said myself?

To all the non believers out there; MSNBC HAS AN AGENDA TO GET THEIR GUY OBAMA REELECTED, IF YOU CAN’T SEE THAT GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR A**

Carry on.

reddevil on September 29, 2012 at 1:32 PM

I just logged in to write the same thing (albeit less emphatically), before your post appeared. If they hadn’t put the misleading subtitles up, Jazz’s take on the situation may have been arguable. As it is, it’s just another nail in the coffin of the rotting corpse that was, long ago, Morning Joe’s last shred of credibility.

RRFCL on September 29, 2012 at 1:41 PM

a funny thing is that I actually don’t watch tv much and most of my political opinions are formed from a diverse set of web sites.
still I have not seen an republican john Stewart, ripping apart msnbc week after week. if msnbc was as badly partisan as fox, it should be an easy task.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 1:26 PM

You’re kidding, right? MSNBC is so bad they’re a national joke. Their convention coverage anchored by Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews and Lawrence O’Donnell? Please.

TarheelBen on September 29, 2012 at 1:43 PM

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Links to their eyewitness accounts have been posted several times in this thread, check them yourself.

kthnxbi

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Again, bless your little heart.

Let me introduce you to Newsbusters and Media Research Center.

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 1:33 PM

where is the comedy! its boring stuff, like, “Piers Morgan Ignores Libya While Pounding Romney Campaign”

bah, it seems more like crying that the media are not paying attention to the talking points that give more advantage to repubs. it quite boring and not comic.
also, its posts a lot from fox news that have 0 credibility to criticize any media outlet of bias.
again, I want comedy or else i wont see it.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM

You have it backwards. It’s we Democrats who are supposed to — by tradition — form the circular firing squads. But is you want to turn viciously on a good conservative simply because he hasn’t gone along with a particularly pathetic whine of the day, I’m happy to pass the ammo.

Yet another sign that the Romney campaign is collapsing.

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Or so says the proven tax cheat, liar, and welfare fraud supporter.

northdallasthirty on September 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM

You’re kidding, right? MSNBC is so bad they’re a national joke. Their convention coverage anchored by Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews and Lawrence O’Donnell? Please.

TarheelBen on September 29, 2012 at 1:43 PM

sure, they are partisan, I was saying msnbc starts to be a mirror image of fox and some ppl interject claiming that fox is respectable news source. ah!

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 1:48 PM

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM

You want comedy? Try reading your own posts. You write at about a third grade level. (typical liberal)

TarheelBen on September 29, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Gee, here’s another troll who is conspicuously absent from the above mentioned thread.

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 1:39 PM

I was in bed by the time this was posted last night (just checked it) and was busy all morning with real life and not on the computer.

But, in case you’re wondering, it doesn’t much bother me. It’s the Republicans who put defense cuts on the table and Republican intransigence on taxes that makes sequestration likely. Democrats would have preferred automatic tax increases as a penalty, but no – Boehner couldn’t deliver his caucus for a rational (as rational as this sort of thing can ever be) deal.

Let’s be clear: Obama’s going to win, the Democrats are going to hold the Senate and — while both the Prez and the Senate are willing to compromise (too willing) — no deal is going to get done unless the Republicans compromise as well. You can have a few rich people pay a little bit more (maybe cut some loopholes and have an even smaller few pay a lot more) or you can gut the defense of our nation. It’s your call.

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 1:50 PM

where where the eyewitnesses located? near romney chanters or ryan chanters?

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 1:37 PM

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The fact that this was newsworthy IN THE FIRST PLACE- a setup for Mourning Bloe and Mikapoo facepalming a concern for the Super Mitt campaign – is laughable. They are lousy actors.

And you are in denial.

Let me help you further.

Research —THE BRADLEY EFFECT.

FlaMurph on September 29, 2012 at 1:51 PM

If the polls are right……ALL the polls…..now showing that well oiled Romney campaign machine being beaten by the worst President in American history……

Then Obama really did speak the truth for the generations when he said “We are five days away from FUNDAMENTALLY transforming the United States of America.”

If Obama wins then white guilt and race have supplanted personal and national economic success as the key drivers in American political races. If that’s true then they just need to nominate Texas Governor in waiting Castro in 2016 and the country will be finished off and just be another Teater filled socialist utopia.

No more will people care about gas prices, home values, their kids futures, foreign policy disasters, or even rising food prices and generational slavery to our national debt.

Wow, if true……..this country has been transformed, fundamentally.

PappyD61 on September 29, 2012 at 1:52 PM

again, I want comedy or else i wont see it.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Good grief, I didn’t think it was possible for someone to do it, but you’ve passed Steve A in the running for HA’s Dumb as a Box of Rocks Award.

NewsBusted

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 1:53 PM

being beaten by the worst President in American history……

Bush is running again? Nixon? Hoover? Harding?

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 1:55 PM

But, in case you’re wondering, it doesn’t much bother me. It’s the Republicans who put defense cuts on the table and Republican intransigence on taxes that makes sequestration likely. Democrats would have preferred automatic tax increases as a penalty, but no – Boehner couldn’t deliver his caucus for a rational (as rational as this sort of thing can ever be) deal.

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Of course; that’s because, as we know, Obama supporters like yourself don’t pay taxes. Ever.

Which also puts the lie to your statement about making people pay more, because as we see, rich Obama supporters don’t have to pay their taxes.

Of course this is how you do it. Obama supporters like you don’t want to work; you want free welfare checks and phones, and you won’t pay the taxes to fund them.

Come on, duplicitous liar. You screamed and cried and complained about taxes and how anyone who avoided paying them was unfit for public office; now you’re caught. You screamed and cried and complained that no Obama supporters were voting based on skin color or for free stuff; now you’re exposed.

northdallasthirty on September 29, 2012 at 1:55 PM

I was in bed by the time this was posted last night (just checked it) and was busy all morning with real life and not on the computer.

But, in case you’re wondering, it doesn’t much bother me. It’s the Republicans who put defense cuts on the table and Republican intransigence on taxes that makes sequestration likely. Democrats would have preferred automatic tax increases as a penalty, but no – Boehner couldn’t deliver his caucus for a rational (as rational as this sort of thing can ever be) deal.

Let’s be clear: Obama’s going to win, the Democrats are going to hold the Senate and — while both the Prez and the Senate are willing to compromise (too willing) — no deal is going to get done unless the Republicans compromise as well. You can have a few rich people pay a little bit more (maybe cut some loopholes and have an even smaller few pay a lot more) or you can gut the defense of our nation. It’s your call.

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Tell us another one.

Obama administration tries to block sequester layoff notices
posted at 10:01 am on September 29, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Bush is running again? Nixon? Hoover? Harding?

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Nope – empty chair is running.

TarheelBen on September 29, 2012 at 1:57 PM

When does Fox “spin it for the” Republicans? Really. When have they ever been caught doctoring a video?

ohhh that is tooo easy:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-november-10-2009/sean-hannity-uses-glenn-beck-s-protest-footage

The thing that makes Fox a right-of-center news organization is their willingness to cover stories that may challenge the left’s preconceived notions, and their willingness to give right-of-center commentators a fair hearing of their views.

I am too much a fan of the daily show to buy that. time and time again they were caught red handed with their double standards and hypocrisy that is just beyond ridiculous. fox news IS heavily partisan.

MSNBC is nothing like a mirror image of Fox, excluding funhouse mirrors.

ghostwriter on September 29, 2012 at 1:05 PM

a funny thing is that I actually don’t watch tv much and most of my political opinions are formed from a diverse set of web sites.
still I have not seen an republican john Stewart, ripping apart msnbc week after week. if msnbc was as badly partisan as fox, it should be an easy task.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Aj.. Now, I see what your problem is: You get your news coverage from a comedian. That explains a lot.

ghostwriter on September 29, 2012 at 1:59 PM

You can have a few rich people pay a little bit more (maybe cut some loopholes and have an even smaller few pay a lot more) or you can gut the defense of our nation. It’s your call.

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Let’s have a little reality-based math.

Obama shill urban elitist screams that “the rich” are the problem and that we need to confiscate their wealth in the name of “fairness”.

If you make a generous adjustment, the total of the Obama deficits for the past three years is $3.43 trillion dollars.

As Mary Katherine Ham so helpfully calculated, the grand total of wealth of every single one of the US’s billionaires is $1.3 trillion — or, put differently, a mere 38% of the total generously-adjusted Obama deficit.

Clearly, not enough. So let’s go even deeper than that. Let’s tax everyone who makes over $200k at 100% of their income.

That would raise a grand total of 2.4 trillion dollars — or 71% of the total generously-adjusted Obama budget.

Do you understand that, urban elitist? If you confiscated the total income of every single taxpayer making over $200k annually in the United States, you couldn’t even pay the entire generously-adjusted deficit that your “progressive” Obama Party and Barack Obama have run up in the past three years alone, never mind the cumulative deficit or the looming explosion in entitlement costs.

And that doesn’t even get into the economic effect of confiscating every single dollar of income that anyone making over $200k has.

You have a child’s view of economics, urban elitist. You see the economy as your parent’s wallet — an inexhaustible supply of funds that you didn’t have to lift a finger to earn and that belongs to you to spend as you like, and if they refuse you, they’re hateful bigots who abuse their child and want you to starve.

Obama appeals to children. You are a child.

northdallasthirty on September 29, 2012 at 2:00 PM

I was in bed by the time this was posted last night (just checked it) and was busy all morning with real life and not on the computer.

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 1:50 PM

It was posted a 10:01 a.m. this morning, which makes you a liar.

JPeterman on September 29, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Tell us another one.

Obama administration tries to block sequester layoff notices
posted at 10:01 am on September 29, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 1:57 PM

I know what time it was posted. I get up early these days.

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 2:03 PM

If Obama is so far out in front, and will win in a landslide, how is it, here in the Heartland, I see very few Obama Bumper stickers, nor have I run into very many people who are going to vote for the Manchurian President.

And, if he is comfortably leading, why is the MSM covering for him, in fact, lying for him, in a fashion which shows anything but confidence in his re-election?

Finally, if Obama is in the catbird seat, why, for the last couple of weeks, have every Troll left on the HA roster shown up, desperately trying to stifle Conservative Conversation, by blatantly lying, ignoring the facts of #BenghaziGate, and when challenged, putting their fingers in their eyes and saying “Lalalalala…I can’t hear you.”

I went thorough this polling garbage back in 1980. But then, we did not have the New Media available to us.

If you are swayed by any of these paid and unpaid Trolls, think again. America is sick and tired of this fool and his Administration. There are a lot more of us than there are of them. They are simply more vocal.

So, go vote on November 6th.

The night of November 6th will be very sweet.

kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 2:03 PM

It was posted a 10:01 a.m. this morning, which makes you a liar.

JPeterman on September 29, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Sorry, I just glanced at it and thought it was 10 at night.

I was out of the house by 8 today.

I know what time it was posted. I get up early these days.

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Sorry — that was to explain why I was in bed by 10 last night. My error. I shall repost my comments above on the thread, in case anyone is still reading it.

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 2:06 PM

northdallasthirty on September 29, 2012 at 2:00 PM

I wouldn’t bother with this one. It is only trying to deflect from the fact that his/her boy king is resorting to encouraging businesses to break the law and bribery to assure his reelection isn’t impacted by a bunch of layoffs.

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 2:07 PM

I know what time it was posted. I get up early these days.

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Then you were up early enough to see it, but chose to ignore it and then lie by stating it went up last night.

JPeterman on September 29, 2012 at 2:07 PM

kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Obama is winning in a landslide. This explains why he has spent the last month camped out in Ohio, Iowa, and at fundraising events. /sarc

ghostwriter on September 29, 2012 at 2:08 PM

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Good grief, I didn’t think it was possible for someone to do it, but you’ve passed Steve A in the running for HA’s Dumb as a Box of Rocks Award.

NewsBusted

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 1:53 PM

I saw 3 shows, many jokes are at the level of late night shows. jokes on biden(allways popular), and some jokes on the media non reporting some news(lame), some jokes seems to be on themselves, like, obama gets the muslim brotherwood vote? wtf? that seems a colbert joke!

but its not the daily show style. daily show confronts the opinions of todays fox news hosts with their previous positions and time and time again the double standards and hypocrisy are demonstrated.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 2:08 PM

What my ears hear and what seems to fit the context best is that the crowd is chanting “Romney” and “Ryan” at the same time and Romney coordinates the chanting. MSNBC’s fault is that it lead viewers to believe the crowd was only chanting “Ryan”.

John Mahan on September 29, 2012 at 2:09 PM

I saw 3 shows, many jokes are at the level of late night shows. jokes on biden(allways popular), and some jokes on the media non reporting some news(lame), some jokes seems to be on themselves, like, obama gets the muslim brotherwood vote? wtf? that seems a colbert joke!

but its not the daily show style. daily show confronts the opinions of todays fox news hosts with their previous positions and time and time again the double standards and hypocrisy are demonstrated.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 2:08 PM

How old are you, nathor? About 10 or 11?

TarheelBen on September 29, 2012 at 2:11 PM

PappyD61 on September 29, 2012 at 1:52 PM

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Chillax.
You either trust the socialists and liberals running the media trash or you don’t. If you do then you are unconcerned about truth.

and here’s another heart breaker coming your way.
Romney loses in the debates. Forget the liberal bias moderators-Even if he had unbiased moderators and does a good job- THEY will still say he loses. Thats what your media will tell you. Palin kicked Slo Joe’s a$$ in her debate (4 yrs later we know why she was able to)- but the media couldn’t say that she won it.

The truth is secondary to their agenda. DO NOT put that on Romney- clearly one of the most decent men to apply for the job in recent memory.

For God’s sake- Adulterer and cigar afficionado Bill Clinton is REVERED by these clowns.

FlaMurph on September 29, 2012 at 2:13 PM

I’ll consider forgiving Joe Scarborough when he comes clean about the dead intern and why he resigned from Congress.

Adjoran on September 29, 2012 at 2:16 PM

kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 2:03 PM

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Ditto that – here in Fla.

Get the word out – The Bradley Effect is MSM now.

Its a powerful force – no doubt – but its not reality.

FlaMurph on September 29, 2012 at 2:18 PM

If Obama is so far out in front, and will win in a landslide, how is it, here in the Heartland, I see very few Obama Bumper stickers, nor have I run into very many people who are going to vote for the Manchurian President.

I don’t think anyone’s calling a landslide. I think what they’re saying is that he has a small but statistically significant lead and that the Romney campaign appears incapable of changing the momentum.

Palin kicked Slo Joe’s a$$ in her debate (4 yrs later we know why she was able to)- but the media couldn’t say that she won it.

Really, the idiot who winked at the camera won? What she campaigning for, prom queen?

urban elitist on September 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Aj.. Now, I see what your problem is: You get your news coverage from a comedian. That explains a lot.

ghostwriter on September 29, 2012 at 1:59 PM

no dude, lately my main political news sites have been hot air, politico and dkos. (right, middle and left)i also see mediaite and buzzfeed. RCP also points to many good articles. then i wait for the comic show the next day. for example, the 47% story I read first on dkos, went to politico to see if it would have any traction and then when to hot air to see the apologetics and then just eagerly awaited the trashing by the comic shows the next day. not disappointed.
sometimes the cycle starts in hot air but again ends in the comic shows next day.
for more generic news I just use google news.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 2:27 PM

How old are you, nathor? About 10 or 11?

TarheelBen on September 29, 2012 at 2:11 PM

2 and half!

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 2:28 PM

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Aj.. Now, I see what your problem is: You get your news coverage from a comedian. That explains a lot.

ghostwriter on September 29, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Huge difference ignoring actual reporters at an event and pushing a false narative off a doctored video. Than accidently using the wrong background video. Fox showed the correct video when the error was reported.

There are numerous reports from this rally every one says the same thing even the NY Times (you really saying they are biased for Romney?)

I am well known for saying Romney will lose. This here is a false story that destroys Joe’s credibility for life. It is a big deal. I believe in the truth. Truth here is MSNBC doctored this and ignored the truth.

By the way John Stewart while into comedy does a perty good job of making sure his basic facts are correct. He will and does correct himself. He is a valid source as as long as you take his bias into account. Not primary becuase you have to figure out what is comedy and what is reporting.

Steveangell on September 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 1:26 PM

That that was the best you could come up with defeats your argument.

Steveangell on September 29, 2012 at 2:40 PM

That that was the best you could come up with defeats your argument.

Steveangell on September 29, 2012 at 2:40 PM

i cannot really defend msnbc, but I can be more sure that fox news is very partisan. that was the argument no?

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 2:48 PM

I’ll consider forgiving Joe Scarborough when he comes clean about the dead intern and why he resigned from Congress.

Adjoran on September 29, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Squish conservatives talks about the war on women, Joe delivers.

the_nile on September 29, 2012 at 2:53 PM

This is the real link directly to CSpan will post when I find out where in the hour video this happened.

Steveangell on September 29, 2012 at 2:54 PM

So now Mitt is behind EVEN IN RASMUSSEN?

We are really stupid aren’t we?

(SNIP A WHOLE BUNCHA OFF MED SCREED)

PappyD61 on September 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Bless your unmedicated heart. Read this before or after your nap:

manipulation and lies

kim roy on September 29, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Bless your unmedicated heart. Read this before or after your nap:

manipulation and lies

kim roy on September 29, 2012 at 2:55 PM

the skewers are the new birthers! at least this new denial syndrome will have a quick end soon.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM

In the actual CSpan Link it is quite clear the Crowd was saying Romney Romney Romney. Not surprising after two lead up speeches praising Romney.

27:00 about

MSNBC will have no choice Monday but to retract that biased report. Shame on them.

Romney never gives the crowd tha chance to actually chant Romney Ryan. That was not the point. He immediately praises the two previous speeches by Portman and Ryan.

That report was 100% garbage. Pravda would be proud of MSMBC. Great Communist News Propaganda Service.

Steveangell on September 29, 2012 at 3:09 PM

But more to the point, it’s a bit of a leap to try to assume some sort of conspiracy on the part of MSNBC here, no matter what your normal inclinations are.

You are either out of your mind or a bitter Hillary voter.

Oh yeah…or both.

Noooo, msnbc is the paragon of virtue and journalistic ethics.

Now that we have the two conservative women can’t we send ed and allah over to politico?

peacenprosperity on September 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Geez, why all the concern about msnbc doctoring a video? I thought noone watched their silly network?
right?
Let’s stick to important issues; Bengaziegate and F&F.
Wait, I meant China and Iran…er Medicare and Medicaid…?
umm…has anyone seen the REAL birth certificate?

greataunty on September 29, 2012 at 3:14 PM

For the love of pete!!

I will scream it out loud…

DO NOT ENGAGE THE FRICKING TROLLS!!

Why do many of you let them get under your skin?

THEY ARE NOT WORTHY!!

Scrumpy on September 29, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Really Jazz? Coming to the defense of Scarborough? THIS article turned out to be a “nothingburger.” If THIS is how you spend your time then go find something else to do. Thanks.

cicerone on September 29, 2012 at 3:19 PM

manipulation and lies

kim roy on September 29, 2012 at 2:55 PM

All this says is that it is close enough that Soros is worried that Mitt Romney might still win.

Mitt Romney could still win. He would have to completely change into an attack dog in the debate and attack the biased moderator and Obama make it clear it was two against one in the debate and anounce a real plan to fix things. But he could do that. He does do that and does so convincenly he could still win.

As to what happened. My guess would be Romney told Soros he would not be his lap dog like Obama is.

Steveangell on September 29, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Nope, sorry. You’re just another lying Obama troll desperately trying to get free checks and cell phones.

We’ve seen your lies about Romney before, and we’ve sent you running away screaming with facts exploding all around you.

What’s your excuse? Too fat? Too lazy? Don’t want to miss a minute of daytime TV?

northdallasthirty on September 29, 2012 at 12:12 PM

First of all…you chose not to challenge my post that Mitt’s likability is at historic lows for a major party candidate. People do not vote for a candidate they do not like. Google search it and find the polls yourself. That’s why O is leading in all of the swing state polls. Don’t shoot the messenger.

This just in…Vegas odds on Obama reelection just hit an all-time high. Obama is now a 5:1 favorite…amazing. For reference, Bush was favored at 1.75:1 at this point vs. Kerry. Just let me know if you need help with “math”.

http://www.betvega.com/2012-presidential-election-odds-020110/

I apologize to not rebutting your rants in the past. I pop onto the internet here and there and do not spend too much time on Hotair. The only government check I ever received in my life was an unemployment check for three months in 2008. BTW, I will be retiring in 5 years at the age of 52 with the money I made off of my investments. The last 3.5 years under Obama has sent the stock market to historic highs. The S&P 500 is up 79% since the day he took office. I save and invest my money in 401K’s and invest post-tax money in the stock market. Yes…I am much better off than I was 4 years ago. A better job..and investments through the roof. Thanks Obama and Bernanke for reversing the Bush economic collapse.

ZippyZ on September 29, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Jazz, maybe someone’s already written this, so, forgive me if I repeat but…

… it’s not so much about a conspiracy as it is about an edited tape and a group of people on a leftist network that desperately want the story to be so. That Scarborough wasn’t suspicious makes him culpable in getting a story out without checking irrespective of whether he’s got “people” that are supposed to do that sort of thing for him. It’s the whole Dan Rather thing again except with less importance, as you say.

Add this to the list of many things MSNBC needs to apologize for.

princetrumpet on September 29, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Jazz you should have gone to the original source before posting this.

There is is so obvious that this in the middle of an hour long event was not at all what they were saying it was on MSNBC. I expected to find it at the beginning not in the middle.

The actual video completely destroys what they were saying. Obviously in the middle of an event there is not going to be loud cheers.

Steveangell on September 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM

it’s not so much about a conspiracy as it is about an edited tape and a group of people on a leftist network that desperately want the story to be so.

princetrumpet on September 29, 2012 at 3:29 PM

yeah, i’m late to this party…but Jazz you need to learn to look at paralinguistic cues.

these people Loathe Romney…and their little black hearts are jumping for joy as they see him implode…and they just love watching the car wreck…just can’t get enough of Romney Epically Failing

make no mistake, these people 1. hate Republicans and 2. love to share their hatred with their audience, because we’re all on the same team…the O-team…ready to continue the Transformation of the World

and of course, in their small brains, they think they can lead us to a new world.

watch them.

and Joe is really a piece of work…a puke.

at least Mika has an excuse of being a born and raised Carterite

r keller on September 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM

If the polls are right……ALL the polls…..now showing that well oiled Romney campaign machine being beaten by the worst President in American history……

Then Obama really did speak the truth for the generations when he said “We are five days away from FUNDAMENTALLY transforming the United States of America.”

If Obama wins then white guilt and race have supplanted personal and national economic success as the key drivers in American political races. If that’s true then they just need to nominate Texas Governor in waiting Castro in 2016 and the country will be finished off and just be another Teater filled socialist utopia.

No more will people care about gas prices, home values, their kids futures, foreign policy disasters, or even rising food prices and generational slavery to our national debt.

Wow, if true……..this country has been transformed, fundamentally.

PappyD61 on September 29, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Geez are you ever an idiot. I hope you hide in your house and don’t go out and scare people with this nonsense. I hope it’s just us that you do this to and not people that might be voting or might be swayed to look to conservatism because if you are the first thing they see…

Did you look at the link I provided from Breitbart’s site? The Almighty Soros and Mother Jones are worried.

Go read it, take your meds and STFU. You have gone past tiresome.

kim roy on September 29, 2012 at 3:46 PM

What in the hell is the point in trying to explain away media bias Jazz? And this is not the first time Scarbs has done something like this, so why are you giving him the benefit of the doubt? That post is almost “useful idiot” level journalism.

guido911 on September 29, 2012 at 3:47 PM

First of all…you chose not to challenge my post that Mitt’s likability is at historic lows for a major party candidate. People do not vote for a candidate they do not like. Google search it and find the polls yourself. That’s why O is leading in all of the swing state polls. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Of course. When one samples people like yourself who are Obamabots at a rate not even seen in the 2008 elections, you can get any result you want.

People who know math understand that. You don’t.

And this became even more precious:

This just in…Vegas odds on Obama reelection just hit an all-time high. Obama is now a 5:1 favorite…amazing. For reference, Bush was favored at 1.75:1 at this point vs. Kerry. Just let me know if you need help with “math”.

Yes, because Las Vegas bookies are such a reliable predictor of everything.

People who know math understand otherwise. You don’t.

I apologize to not rebutting your rants in the past. I pop onto the internet here and there and do not spend too much time on Hotair. The only government check I ever received in my life was an unemployment check for three months in 2008. BTW, I will be retiring in 5 years at the age of 52 with the money I made off of my investments. The last 3.5 years under Obama has sent the stock market to historic highs. The S&P 500 is up 79% since the day he took office. I save and invest my money in 401K’s and invest post-tax money in the stock market. Yes…I am much better off than I was 4 years ago. A better job..and investments through the roof. Thanks Obama and Bernanke for reversing the Bush economic collapse.

ZippyZ on September 29, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Nope.

Because as we know, you make all your life decisions based on partisan push polls and Las Vegas bookies, so what you are desperately doing is calling sex hotlines with your mom’s credit card on your Obama phone and calling it an “investment”.

The trolls get more and more hilarious as we go. No surprise that they support the pathological liar Obama.

northdallasthirty on September 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM

kim roy on September 29, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Come on now.

That link does NOT say what you say it does.

It does not say Soros is planing for a Mitt Presidency now. It says Soros decided to kick in another million to make sure Obama wins. That he is less sure of an Obama win than he was in May.

So what?

Steveangell on September 29, 2012 at 3:50 PM

northdallasthirty on September 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM

In 2010 it was the Tea Party that gined up support for the Republicans.

Now in 2012 the Tea Party has been silienced and put down.

Americans are not stupid. They see this. They say to themselves hey I thought maybe the Republicans were OK because I liked what the Tea Party was saying. But I guess not no one is saying that anymore. 6% go back to the Democratic Party.

Why on earth is that so hard for Romney People to understand?

There are ramifications to shutting down the Tea Party.

Steveangell on September 29, 2012 at 3:55 PM

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