About that “Romney-Ryan” chanting on MSNBC – Updated

posted at 8:31 am on September 29, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

(See updates below – Jazz)

There was yet another story this week making the rounds regarding a Romney-Ryan stop on the campaign trail, alleging some dirty tricks by the media in their coverage. But this one really serves more to highlight what happens when politicos wind up with too much time on their hands during the silly season. In it, we find charges of media skullduggery in their attempts to get Barack Obama elected to a second term. (Nothing new there, I’m sure.) But this one seems to have problems.

Here’s the clip in question, where MSNBC host Joe Scarborough reacts to a clip of Paul Ryan introducing Mitt Romney during the event in question, and Mitt responding to the chants of the crowd.

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After Ryan finishes the intro, Mitt grabs the mic and says, “Wow! That’s quite a guy, isn’t it? Paul Ryan! Isn’t that something?” At this point the crowd breaks out into a chant. This is where the “controversy” begins.

If you listen closely, it’s obvious the audio in the clip has been adjusted. However, that’s not uncommon — and that doesn‘t necessarily mean it’s MSNBC who did it. Sound technicians usually cut out the audience to ensure speakers aren’t drowned out (which you can do by simply turning the mics up and down — or you can do after the fact). However, where the controversy comes in is in the caption on the screen quoting the audience as chanting “Ryan!” Why is that controversial? Because people who attended the event say that’s not what happened, and that the MSNBC video grossly misrepresents what actually occurred.

Yes, the caption on the screen reads, “Ryan! Ryan!” And when Mitt jumps in to urge the crowd to say, “Romney Ryan” it comes off looking kind of awkward. But that’s the entire point that Scarborough seems to be reacting to… that it was a brief, forgettable moment which wound up coming off poorly on video and simply opened the door to another event “gaffe.”

But more to the point, it’s a bit of a leap to try to assume some sort of conspiracy on the part of MSNBC here, no matter what your normal inclinations are. I pulled the audio line of the clip out using Audacity and played it several times at high volume with some background noise dampening. (And without.) A lot of people were chanting “Ryan.” Why wouldn’t they? The guy is very popular and had not only just finished speaking, but was also complimented by the candidate. And without a doubt, some other people were chanting “Romney.”

But the way it played on video was… awkward. Was it a campaign ending – or even influencing – flub? No.. it’s a nothingburger. But was it a conspiracy by MSNBC? As the original article admits, it’s pretty much standard editing. How each person interprets it is up to them. But… a MSM conspiracy? Sorry… I’m just not seeing it. I believe Romney heard some of the people yelling “Romney!” and wanted to spread the credit around, but did so at a moment which left the reaction open to any interpretation partisans might like.

So what was this in the end? It’s us having way too much time on our hands while we wait for the first debate. You can find more than enough incidents of media bias all around the dial to keep things clicking along, but in this case, there simply wasn’t any “there there” on either side. Scarborough is one of the few conservatives given time on MSNBC (though you should also check out S.E. Cupp on “The Cycle” in the afternoon) and it’s kind of self defeating to tear down one of the reasonable voices on the network. If you really think Scarborough is trying to get Obama reelected, I honestly don’t know what to say to you. This was really a case of nothing to see here… move along.

UPDATE 9/30: Jazz

Given the, shall we say, “energetic” response to this piece which I’ve received through multiple channels, a fair portion of the weekend was spent digging further into this story. (A fact I am still gobsmacked by, given the completely trivial nature of the original clip.) Yet a few more interesting twists and turns to the tale have emerged.

First of all, as was previously reported, MSNBC picked up on the story via Politico. Here is their original video, still available on line, where they ran the fifteen seconds of film from the event with the headline, “Romney changes crowd’s chant to include his name.” Even if they backed off on the story later, this was the source MSNBC originally picked up. I’ve run that video against the one shown on Morning Joe, including the audio tracks, and they are identical. But there’s another twist to come.

In an effort to verify the story, I contacted MSNBC. In the process of preparing to air the clip, they sought out confirmation and located an article from the New York Times, which many readers referenced as proof that Politico’s line about what the crowd was chanting was incorrect. (Leading to the suggestion that Morning Joe must have cooked the books on it.) That article in its current form ends as follows:

The other is that the PowerPoint slides and wonky talk work powerfully well with many people who leave feeling that they have not been lectured to, but empowered.

“He speaks the truth, and he gives us facts,” Jackie Sullivan said after a rally in Orlando, Fla., last weekend that drew more than 2,000 people.

But avoiding missteps is now critical for the both of them, as they fight together to chip into Mr. Obama’s lead.

After Mr. Ryan whooped up the crowd in Vandalia on Tuesday, Mr. Romney moved to the front of the stage. As the crowd began chanting “Romney! Romney!” he cut them off.“Wait a second,” Mr. Romney said, instructing the audience to cheer for “Romney-Ryan! Romney-Ryan!” They did.

“There we go,” he said, pleased.

Michael Barbaro contributed reporting from New York.

But early in the news cycle, when MSNBC was checking into it, there was something else there. A correction was posted on the story, which has since disappeared. Here’s how the end of the article looked that morning, as captured by another site’s RSS feed.

The other is that the PowerPoint slides and wonky talk work powerfully well with many people who leave feeling that they have not been lectured to, but empowered.

“He speaks the truth, and he gives us facts,” Jackie Sullivan said after a rally in Orlando, Fla., last weekend that drew more than 2,000 people.

Michael Barbaro contributed reporting from New York.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: September 25, 2012

An earlier version of this article referred to the crowd at a rally in Vandalia, Ohio, chanting “Romney! Romney!” as Mr. Romney took the stage. Upon closer review of the audio, it was unclear if the crowd was chanting for Mr. Romney, his running mate, Paul Ryan, or for both men.

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So, when MSNBC went to check on the story, the Gray Lady had included a correction saying that the crowd reaction may have been the same as that reported in Politico. While the correction has since disappeared, I reached out to a source familiar with the processing of the story who confirmed that the retraction had been been there, but was no longer present.

The bottom line to this entire sad tale is that the original story – involving fifteen seconds of a crowd chanting at a campaign rally – has now morphed beyond what was at first nothing more than a potentially amusing moment on the campaign trail and become a meta-story in a pair of campaigns which frequently remain about nothing. But in this case, too many people who are ostensibly fighting for the conservative cause have chosen to concoct a conspiracy theory in which one of the conservative voices in the mainstream media is secretly trying to undermine the Romney campaign and facilitate President Obama’s reelection. And for suggesting that we might be jumping the gun on this, I received a near record number of responses suggesting that I’m all too willing to buy into this media narrative and lend a hand. Morning Joe took a fast moving story from a frequently cited source – Politico – and checked with the New York Times and ran it.

Was the story flawed? Almost certainly. Did it hold any great importance for voters considering their choices in November? No. But vilifying one of our own during the silly season near the end of the election isn’t helping anyone. Let’s close the book on this one, folks.


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Well, at least they didnt chant “Stench! Stench! Stench!”. On the other hand: Give pMSDNC a week, maybe their sound technicians can get it done…

Valkyriepundit on September 29, 2012 at 8:39 AM

If MSNBC misrepresents something on its own it’s just MSNBC being MSNBC, not a “conspiracy”.

forest on September 29, 2012 at 8:41 AM

Not sure what to do with the sensible reality based post….

libfreeordie on September 29, 2012 at 8:43 AM

1.) It seems like the crowd was initially shouting “Ryan-Romney!”, and the sound-editing dulled the “Romney” shout-out. The inclusion of just Ryan’s name in the caption is where the dishonesty crops p.

2.) It’s still embarassing for the crowd chant to mix-up the order and put the VP first, which is what made Mitt’s interjection only highlight the awkwardness.

3.) As already mentioned, this is a nothingburger. With fries.

Stoic Patriot on September 29, 2012 at 8:43 AM

Talk about spin……way to go Jazz!

dmann on September 29, 2012 at 8:43 AM

I’m so grateful at least that during this particular silly season, there are no real, important, consequential events occurring in the world, and the media is free to focus on this fun, silly stuff!

ellifint on September 29, 2012 at 8:45 AM

So sick and tired of the “Romney is awkward” canard. Let’s vote for the guy who is actively destroying the country…cuz the other guy is sometimes…awkward? And in this case, awkward because people are screaming his name over and over in adulation. Humility. It’s so damn…awkward. He’s also sincere. Accomplished. Honest. Entirely decent. But Oh. My. God.…he’s awkward!…so we’re going with the other guy instead — the insincere, unaccomplished, dishonest, indecent guy who wants to wreck everything. Because he’s cool. Never awkward. And he loves it when people scream his name over and over again. Loves it so much, lets its wash over him, basks in the adulation, pleads for more, nourishes himself with it like all hungry tyrants do…but never awkwardly.

Wake up, America.

Rational Thought on September 29, 2012 at 8:46 AM

did NBC edit the clip and add misleading captions? yes

no one is calling it a conspiracy. That’s a term the left uses to make us look nuts – this IS media bias. Maybe it’s not a vast conspiracy, but it’s par for the course in Dem propaganda

Slade73 on September 29, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Rush had a fellow on Friday that was there………crowd was shouting Romney..Romney..Romney, Romney actually was gracious enough to encourage support for Ryan…..

MSLSD completly distorted the tape…..thought Scarbouroh was a little better than that…but the fix is on i guess.

and this fellow that called Rush was a 30 yr Dem’cat Black American converted in the last 3 yrs mainly due to ObamaCare…..

The Left is using Islamic tactics….ie its OK to flat out lie if the ultimate victory is acheived…..

sbark on September 29, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Not sure what to do with the sensible reality based post….

libfreeordie on September 29, 2012 at 8:43 AM

go back to your reality based community and pine for the last few Polar Bears

Slade73 on September 29, 2012 at 8:48 AM

The only person with to much time on his hands may be Jazz Shaw. I just wasted some of mine reading a rehash of a MSNBC story that shows why Morning Joe is no longer credible. As far as his leaning left or right i think he needs that job.

RickinNH on September 29, 2012 at 8:48 AM

I agree that the chanting was mixed, some Ryans and some Romneys. It was perfectly reasonable for Mitt to try to sync the crowd with both. About Joe Scarborough though, the guy has clearly taken too many MSNBC Koolaid enemas. Either that or he has some personal issues with Mitt. He looks for opportunities to criticize the Romney campaign. He even creates them out of thin air.

TedInATL on September 29, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Jazz,
You interested in winning this election?

rob verdi on September 29, 2012 at 8:51 AM

I thought that this was a Conservative website.

kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 8:52 AM

But was it a conspiracy by MSNBC? As the original article admits, it’s pretty much standard editing. How each person interprets it is up to them. But… a MSM conspiracy?

Sure, dude. MSNBC had hours of footage to use for their segment and it was just a coincidence that they used this one that was awkwardly edited to make Romney look awkward. It’s not like they don’t have a history of fluffing the d candidate while trashing anyone with a R next to their name.

I’m sure it was just a coincidence they cropped up the race of the “tea-bagger” carrying the AR-15 at one of the town hall meetings.

And it was just a coincidence that Rachel Mancow trotted out a debunked fax that claimed a R representative knew about the OKC bombing in advance. Just a honest mistake, right?

When someone tells you who they are..beleive them.

And Joe Scarborough…a reasonable conservative voice? ROFLMAO.

What’s the deal Jazz, you looking for the writing gig at HuffPo?

HumpBot Salvation on September 29, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Jazz – this ain’t where we make excuses for NBC

Slade73 on September 29, 2012 at 8:53 AM

MSNBC (and their parent, NBC) makes the old Pravada look totally objective, unbiased and non-political. As for Scarborough . . . he’s always been a two-bit, pandering loser.

rplat on September 29, 2012 at 8:54 AM

“It’s us having way too much time on our hands while we wait for the first debate.”

Really? I mean really…the world is on fire-our country
in the toilet
but you all are just twiddling your thumbs with
so much time on your hands. Got it.

bazil9 on September 29, 2012 at 8:54 AM

I pulled the audio line of the clip out using Audacity and played it several times at high volume with some background noise dampening. (And without.) A lot of people were chanting “Ryan.”

And some people hear ghosts talkin’ up a storm when they listen to white noise.

whatcat on September 29, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Listened to both the MSNBC and the CSPAN videos with my eyes closed. I definitely heard “Romney” a lot more than “Ryan” in both. I have no idea what video Jazz was listening to.

PerceptorII on September 29, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Jazz probably thinks George Zimmerman is a racist White hispanic

Slade73 on September 29, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Jazz- the context of the event says otherwise. Paul Ryan had just introduced Romney, welcoming him to the stage. He was playing Ed McMahon. If you listen again, you’ll notice that the “Romney” chant was going on as Romney was first speaking (the sound people had the audience cut out then too, but you can hear it on the tape.)

Besides- both Buzzfeed and the New York Times were there and reported it differently.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/morning-joe-mocks-romney-for-something-that-didn

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/26/us/politics/romney-and-ryan-to-start-campaigning-together-more-often.html?_r=0

Coach Marty on September 29, 2012 at 8:56 AM

The Chicago Way

The Repub nerds better be ready for dirty tricks on the road, whoppers and put-ons during the debates, government officials lying and a grand gesture to an interest group before the election.

The Dem ticket can do about anything and will not hear a drumbeat for justice.

Whatever else you say about our POTUS, most of us would be worse without an investigative media or law enforcement to curb our wicked ways.

IlikedAUH2O on September 29, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Media bias is such
the norm that when you seen it-its a
nothingburger-just another day in the O’l US of A.

Joe reminds me of Crist.
We produce some real winners here.

bazil9 on September 29, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Scarborough is one of the few conservatives given time on MSNBC

Actually made my morning joe snort outta my nose!

whatcat on September 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

. . . . . . it’s a bit of a leap to try to assume some sort of conspiracy on the part of MSNBC here, no matter what your normal inclinations are. I pulled the audio line of the clip out using Audacity and played it several times at high volume with some background noise dampening. (And without.) A lot of people were chanting “Ryan.” Why wouldn’t they? The guy is very popular and had not only just finished speaking, but was also complimented by the candidate. And without a doubt, some other people were chanting “Romney.”

But the way it played on video was… awkward. Was it a campaign ending – or even influencing – flub? No.. it’s a nothingburger. But was it a conspiracy by MSNBC? As the original article admits, it’s pretty much standard editing. How each person interprets it is up to them. But… a MSM conspiracy? Sorry… I’m just not seeing it.
.
Jazz Shaw

.
.
We’ll see on tomorrow’s talking head shows, how much attention this gets.

listens2glenn on September 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

JAZZ: SHAME ON YOU!!!!

First of all, it’s not a “bit of a leap” at all.

It’s a huge, flailing, plunge, over the cliff and into the abyss of sewer-dwelling STENCH, to use a recent media flap as an example.

REMEMBER if you can Jazz–because I worry about your sanity after reading your piece of laughable lacky lunacy!–the George Zimmerman tape which “proved” he was a racist? Remember how that turned out? Remember that NBC edited it, not once, but TWICE, and continued to flout it about for weeks before it was finally revealed to be a complete lie?

You cannot–I REPEAT, CANNOT–believe ANYTHING that comes from NBC or it’s half-sister, MSNBC. They lie. And, they lie with brazen intent.

In this case, MSNBC deliberately LIED AGAIN.

Even the New York Times has published an account which proves MSNBC LIED.

There were ACTUAL reporters on the ground at the rally and in fact, what happened was that the CROWD WAS CHANTING FOR ROMNEY and he introduced Ryan and encouraged the crowed to cheer for RYAN TOO as a way of INCLUDING RYAN.

Yes. I’ve actually heard the ENTIRE AUDIO.

So “a bit of a leap” to blame MSNBC for deliberately misrepresenting this audio from the rally?

Maybe in your ALTERNATE UNIVERSE JAZZ SHAW, but certainly not in the universe of REALITY.

Ferchrissakes!!!!

mountainaires on September 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Coach Marty on September 29, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Thank you. I was so pissed off, all I could do was rant.

Jazz, get your head out of your ass.

mountainaires on September 29, 2012 at 9:02 AM

Well, at least they didnt chant “Stench! Stench! Stench!”. On the other hand: Give pMSDNC a week, maybe their sound technicians can get it done…

Valkyriepundit on September 29, 2012 at 8:39 AM

I’m surprised SNL didn’t have that bit ready for their corporate sister. OTOH, SNL probably wanted more than 5 people to see that particular stunt.

Steve Eggleston on September 29, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Quick! do Jazz Fingers and sneak out with your tail tucked Shaw

Slade73 on September 29, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Scarborough is one of the few conservatives given time on MSNBC

Jazz Shaw

.
Actually made my morning joe snort outta my nose!

whatcat on September 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

.
.
Nothing like starting the day with a good chuckle. : )

listens2glenn on September 29, 2012 at 9:04 AM

You cannot–I REPEAT, CANNOT–believe ANYTHING that comes from NBC or it’s half-sister, MSNBC. They lie. And, they lie with brazen intent.
mountainaires on September 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Yeah, but on other hand, they blow up trucks real good.

whatcat on September 29, 2012 at 9:07 AM

If you really think Scarborough is trying to get Obama reelected, I honestly don’t know what to say to you.

Don’t say anything. It is no secret that Scarborough hopes against all hopes to have a run for potus and he would have a better shot at it in 2016 rather than 2020.

Blake on September 29, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Yeah, but on other hand, they blow up trucks real good.

whatcat on September 29, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Little did NBC know that less than 2 decades later, they and GM would be corporate cousins.

Steve Eggleston on September 29, 2012 at 9:09 AM

this one really serves more to highlight what happens when politicos wind up with too much time on their hands during the silly season.

Was there some huge controvesy that I missed? Isn’t there some news to over instead of twisting yourself into a pretzel just to prove you have fair coverage of what liberals are doing?

Scarborough is one of the few conservatives given time on MSNBC

I you would have made this your first sentence I wouldn’t have had to read all the way through.

Vince on September 29, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Reading posts like this makes me realize that so many on our side received countless weggies and were slammed into lockers in high school, but they still want to give their bullies the benefit of the doubt.

RedRedRice on September 29, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Nothing like starting the day with a good chuckle. : )

listens2glenn on September 29, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Or a loud guffaw. :)

bazil9 on September 29, 2012 at 9:10 AM

I heard it live and what I heard was “Romney, Romney” with no discernible mention of Ryan, but Jazz is a Journalist and has spent a few minutes editing the tape like they did and come to the same conclusion as the folks she is hoping to work for. So there. Shut-up. With friends like this…

TrueNorthist on September 29, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Scarborough is one of the few conservatives given time on MSNBC
Jazz Shaw

Actually made my morning joe snort outta my nose!
whatcat on September 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Nothing like starting the day with a good chuckle. : )
listens2glenn on September 29, 2012 at 9:04 AM

If Jazz would use sarc tags, I wouldn’t be cleaning off my monitor right now. (Or if he had written “Joe Gergen Scarborough”).

whatcat on September 29, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Ummm…Jazz…I don’t believe that this is going over too well with the Hot Air readership. Of course, if this is meant to be Allahpundit type snark, designed to fire us all up, you did a masterful job.

If it wasn’t…well…

kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM

…I believe Romney heard some of the people yelling “Romney!” and wanted to spread the credit around, but did so at a moment which left the reaction open to any interpretation partisans might like.

…If you really think Scarborough is trying to get Obama reelected, I honestly don’t know what to say to you.

Hoo boy, okay. Their truth and our truth? That’s a bit weird. I like reading you, Jazz, even if I disagree with you or think you are missing the point, like now. This wasn’t some silly mash-up video. This was a purposeful misrepresentation by a news organization, er, or whatever that channel is.

Do you think Scarborough was duped by some interns clever editing or do you think he just wants to keep his gig at MSDNC? And, I don’t think he is in Romney’s camp. He is the political verson of being asexual but still flirting with Obama.

Fallon on September 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Yeah, but on other hand, they blow up trucks real good.
whatcat on September 29, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Little did NBC know that less than 2 decades later, they and GM would be corporate cousins.
Steve Eggleston on September 29, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Via the Bill Ayer’s approach to automotive reviews.

whatcat on September 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Jazz, I’m interested – did you think anyone would agree with you? Besides libfree (that’s not a good thing)

Slade73 on September 29, 2012 at 9:15 AM

This is the only blog I visit that it is a chore to type a comment. Why are some letters that I type skipped so that I have to go back and insert them and the space bar doesn’t always space?

Vince on September 29, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Rush had a fellow on Friday that was there………crowd was shouting Romney..Romney..Romney, Romney actually was gracious enough to encourage support for Ryan…..

rush can suck it! romney introduces the ryan to the crowd and they would chant “romney romney”? that is just not believable.

MSLSD completly distorted the tape…..thought Scarbouroh was a little better than that…but the fix is on i guess.

and this fellow that called Rush was a 30 yr Dem’cat Black American converted in the last 3 yrs mainly due to ObamaCare…..

The Left is using Islamic tactics….ie its OK to flat out lie if the ultimate victory is acheived…..

sbark on September 29, 2012 at 8:47 AM

ignoring the rant, romney still asked for people to chant his name together with ryan. that is just weird. but he also moved away from the flub quickly, and started introducing some senator. and that is it! silly story with little influence.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 9:17 AM

I await MSDNC running the Obama biatch screeching about her free cell phone…..

hillsoftx on September 29, 2012 at 9:17 AM

I got’s a Obamaphone!

Slade73 on September 29, 2012 at 9:19 AM

To call it a Conspiracy imply that it is hidden. MSNBC complete bias against Mitt Romney and the whole right is not a conspiracy, it is out in the open. If Mitt Romney pushed a door that said pull it would lead the “news” on how bad he is and should not dare, as just challenging the man-god Obama that is racist. There is nothing that would stop them from put Mitt in bad light and bow too the king Obama at the same time.

When a crowd is chanting something at a event how often do they worry about what they are chanting about if not to make the person look bad. Sure some could be chanting Ryan and some Romney but MSNBC did not care about that all they cared about was smearing the out of touch Mitt Romney. By any means necessary. Who cares what was said at the stop he wanted them to chant for him, like the drones that they are. But when Obama has an event and they chant Obama he does not stop them to add Biden or look embarrassed as he is not worthy. He tilts his head to the classic dictator pose and welcomes the praise of his subjects.

The media are actively campaigning against Mitt and actively campaigning for Obama. Now is the time to realize it and noting is to small to smear or lie about in that quest.

tjexcite on September 29, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Do you think Scarborough was duped by some interns clever editing or do you think he just wants to keep his gig at MSDNC?
Fallon on September 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM

I’m thinking Jazz hasn’t watched MJ all that often.

whatcat on September 29, 2012 at 9:20 AM

It’s odd that Jazz Shaw didn’t bother to take note of all the blogs that had postings from participants in the rally. I didn’t see a one that was willing to go anywhere near a “nothingburger”. Not only that, but the clip was shown over and over again on both NBC and MSNBC. They knew what they were doing.

As someone before me commented, Joe Scarborough has some kind of personal problem with Mitt Romney and NEVER gives him the benefit of the doubt. I agree that all he cares about is keeping his job. (and making every effort he can to try and impress us with his vast political knowledge…) Scarborough is about as much a conservative as Geraldo Rivera, and surprisingly, even more annoying.

I don’t appreciate seeing articles that are not only poorly researched, but written favorably towards MSNBC. There is nothing “innocent” about that network.

BettyRuth on September 29, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Scarborough is one of the few faux conservatives given time on MSNBC

fify

hillsoftx on September 29, 2012 at 9:22 AM

What if they had reported that the crowd spit on a black Congressman or called him the N-word. Oh, right…

Man, I miss Breitbart.

Fallon on September 29, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Is this opposites day? HA switches with MMfA or something?

Slade73 on September 29, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Obama now beginning to open up a decent lead in Rasmussen, up 48-46. With leaners, the lead is 49-47. Looks like Ras will be moving to Gallup rather than the reverse.

When Ras shows what all the other polls show, what will be the excuse for the poll deniers?

gumbyandpokey on September 29, 2012 at 9:24 AM

gumbyandpokey on September 29, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Quit Poll Trolling, Poll Troller.

kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 9:26 AM

gumbyandpokey on September 29, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Live by the polls, die by the polls…

Fallon on September 29, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Dick Morris on the bias in the polls. Interesting.

http://www.dickmorris.com/why-the-polls-under-state-romney-vote/

JellyToast on September 29, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Don’t say anything. It is no secret that Scarborough hopes against all hopes to have a run for potus and he would have a better shot at it in 2016 rather than 2020.

Blake on September 29, 2012 at 9:09 AM

I dont believe that. Even somebody as severely limited as our Slow-Joe knows that he’s got no chance becoming potus. Congressmen dont become President, not even popular, active Congressmen. So a has-been, who is out of step with his own party on an endless number of issues has no snowballs chance in hell. Jeronymo Huntsman has a better shot at becoming the Republican nominee and President, since he at least was a Governor, even though he shares Dopey-Joes contempt for the base of the Republican Party.

Valkyriepundit on September 29, 2012 at 9:30 AM

How do they account for people like me and so many I know
who do not have a land line but only a cell? I am on the do not call list as well.
I never get polled- nor does anyone I know except my senior parents and family who still have a land line.

bazil9 on September 29, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Huh. Because I saw the unedited video/audio from C-Span and I think that you’re wrong in your assumptions. All of them.

Just an FYI: this is part of the larger network that falsely edited the Zimmerman audio and added incendiary rockets to make a truck explode on impact. Giving them the benefit of the doubt is a fool’s errand.

Physics Geek on September 29, 2012 at 9:33 AM

“Quit Poll Trolling, Poll Troller.

kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 9:26 AM”

In an election season, winning and losing is all that matters.

gumbyandpokey on September 29, 2012 at 9:33 AM

It’s odd that Jazz Shaw didn’t bother to take note of all the blogs that had postings from participants in the rally.
BettyRuth on September 29, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Not to mention the reporters who were
at
the
rally.

whatcat on September 29, 2012 at 9:34 AM

So what was this in the end? It’s us having way too much time on our hands while we wait for the first debate.

On the contrary, Jazz, you evidently don’t have enough time on your hands, as you didn’t see fit to read or include in your MSNBC lite post the accounts of people who were actually at the event, noted above, by Ace, and by the NYT, for Pete’s sake. I know that this is a site for conservative opinion, but, in your case, an occasional fact might be nice.

Mr. Arkadin on September 29, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Do you think Scarborough was duped by some interns clever editing or do you think he just wants to keep his gig at MSDNC?

Fallon on September 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Jazz, if I may offer the following, it’d likely inspire as much traffic as the tripe you posted…

After having endured Mica’s school-girl cheer leading in introducing the video, and then the rather amateurish editing/captioning of the video by MSNBC technicians, isn’t it even more likely Morning Joe’s ‘Sweet Jesus’ was intended for their blatant bias. Not a swipe against a pseudo-insecurity of Romney?

socalcon on September 29, 2012 at 9:35 AM

In an election season, winning and losing is all that matters.

gumbyandpokey on September 29, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Even if you have to Troll a Conservative website for the purpose of attention and disruption.

kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 9:36 AM

I’m so grateful at least that during this particular silly season, there are no real, important, consequential events occurring in the world, and the media is free to focus on this fun, silly stuff!

Yes, that is so true. I know I’ve spent too much time on this, yet another distraction from real issues, but I do find it almost comical that this is portrayed as another Romney “gaffe” by our “friend” at MSNBC when the the Gov was just being his normal gracious self.

I also think it’s unnecessary to attack Jazz on this one. Even knowing what I know now, the tape is still ambiguous. I think the point is that this is just the type of minutia that the MSM would like everybody to focus on rather than the real issues like the economy and dead Americans in the Middle East. I know I’ve spent too much time listening to that clip eyes open and closed to try and disceern what was being chanted (until I found the Times and Buzzfeed articles.)

And honestly- Yes Scarborough (along with Cupp) IS one of the only conservative voices on that network, and while he does have way too many Frum/Brooks/Noonan moments, he also has plenty “voice of reason” moments where he makes Mika look even more ridiculous than she is. Gotta take what you can get over there.

Coach Marty on September 29, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Jazz, I’m interested – did you think anyone would agree with you? Besides libfree (that’s not a good thing)

Slade73 on September 29, 2012 at 9:15 AM

“Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong.” Ayn Rand

Fallon on September 29, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Even somebody as severely limited as our Slow-Joe knows that he’s got no chance becoming potus

Never stopped The Good Doctor’s three tries.

socalcon on September 29, 2012 at 9:39 AM

I can respect moderate voices Jazz, but you’re just being ignorant and naive.

Slade73 on September 29, 2012 at 9:40 AM

You really stepped in it this time, Mr. Shaw.

To give credence to MSLSD is one sure way to get a slew of hits.

Oh….

tru2tx on September 29, 2012 at 9:41 AM

I don’t appreciate seeing articles that are not only poorly researched, but written favorably towards MSNBC. There is nothing “innocent” about that network.

BettyRuth on September 29, 2012 at 9:20 AM

This. With so much time on the hands-
could have at least researched it.

bazil9 on September 29, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Quit Poll Trolling, Poll Troller.

kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 9:26 AM

reality is tuff

Live by the polls, die by the polls…

Fallon on September 29, 2012 at 9:28 AM

you dont have to die by the polls. you can correct course to get better poll results.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Obama now beginning to open up a decent lead in Rasmussen, up 48-46.

gumbyandpokey on September 29, 2012 at 9:24 AM

A 2 pt lead within the MOE and an incumbent who can’t break 50=Happy Hour for Gummy…

hillsoftx on September 29, 2012 at 9:42 AM

reality is tuff
nathor on September 29, 2012 at 9:41 AM

And, the results of a landline-based poll are incomplete, at best, jackwagon.

kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 9:43 AM

So what was this in the end? It’s us having way too much time on our hands while we wait for the first debate.

Heh, the 2012 version of the Fourth Estate’s complaint efforts toward the 2008 coronation of the First ( ahem, second) Black POTUS.

Fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me.

Get to work, Slackers!

socalcon on September 29, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Do you think Scarborough was duped by some interns clever editing or do you think he just wants to keep his gig at MSDNC?
Fallon on September 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM

.
If this Scarborough phony does NOT give an on air apology ( to the level that Shep did)- than you know they are in up to their ears with this Pravda crap.(See Putin, staged events)

Both he and Mikapoo deserve Academy awards for their reaction to the clip for the utter disbelief and FACE PALMING over their staged phony humiliation of the total collapse of Romney and his supporters don’t like him.- or something like that. OH THE HUMANITY! Mitt , you should just concede now!

Apologize now Dorothy! Or have phony Barnacle claim that – they haven’t authenticated the tape yet.

FlaMurph on September 29, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Even if you have to Troll a Conservative website for the purpose of attention and disruption.

kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 9:36 AM

and what you want? everybody to play the echo chamber and agree with everything without an ounce of criticism?

one thing I am sure, echo chambers wont win the election, so better disrupt the deluded general consensus here, than having reality slap you hard on election day.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 9:47 AM

rush can suck it! romney introduces the ryan to the crowd and they would chant “romney romney”? that is just not believable.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Umm, Ryan had just introduced Romney, so the crowd chanting “Romney, Romney” is believable. Have you been paying attention?

Mr. Arkadin on September 29, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Hahahaha! He should have picked Portman. Would lose either way but at least not as number two on his own ticket.

lester on September 29, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Do you think Scarborough was duped by some interns clever editing or do you think he just wants to keep his gig at MSDNC?

Fallon on September 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM

I watched a video where Joe is saying that Bill Clinton was the only President that deserved to be re-elected more than twice. That he understood the constitution more than anyone. It was sickening.

Who the heck watches these people. We have to be the ones giving them more attention than they normally get.

JellyToast on September 29, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Not sure what to do with the sensible reality based post….

libfreeordie on September 29, 2012 at 8:43 AM

…just stick it where you store everything else…and where you come up with all of your drivel…that orifice you have that’s approximately 34 inches off the ground!

KOOLAID2 on September 29, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Don’t know if you guys have noticed, but even the ridiculous “unskewedpolls.com” site is showing huge movement to Obama in their tracking poll, moving from Romney +12 to Romney +3 this week. When even they show him tanking, you know something is going on. But keep sticking your head in the sand and be shocked…SHOCKED…on election night. And it’s going to be called very early when Ohio goes for Obama.

gumbyandpokey on September 29, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Dumb

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Dumber

gumbyandpokey on September 29, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Dumbest

lester on September 29, 2012 at 9:48 AM

HumpBot Salvation on September 29, 2012 at 9:53 AM

I don’t know if msnbc doctored the tape, but given their history there is no way I would put it past them to do it.

I DO know msnbc will do everything in their power,including the misrepresenting and doctoring of media clips to advance their dumb and unsubstantiated narrative that Romney is not popular with his base of support, or something.

And Scarborough has been as snarky and sensitive as a middle school cheerleader ever since Bay Buchanan outed him as just another Romney hating liberal on Meet the Press last week. His lashing out on twitter over criticism of his over the top foolery is amusing.

Cavalry on September 29, 2012 at 9:53 AM

And, the results of a landline-based poll are incomplete, at best, jackwagon.

kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 9:43 AM

I allways found this hanging on to the ras polls a bit pathetic. its the RCP average that I pay more attention and sure it does not look good for romney.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 9:54 AM

This. With so much time on the hands-
could have at least researched it.
bazil9 on September 29, 2012 at 9:41 AM

But he even used a sound filter on Audacity, a free sound recording program. Good for finding otherwise-missed backwards messages hidden in “Herman’s Hermits” albums that invoke Satan and seduce listeners to buy British-made cars.

whatcat on September 29, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Who the heck watches these people. We have to be the ones giving them more attention than they normally get.

JellyToast on September 29, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Nobody.

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tru2tx on September 29, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Don’t know if you guys have noticed, but even the ridiculous “unskewedpolls.com” site is showing huge movement to Obama in their tracking poll, moving from Romney +12 to Romney +3 this week. When even they show him tanking, you know something is going on. But keep sticking your head in the sand and be shocked…SHOCKED…on election night. And it’s going to be called very early when Ohio goes for Obama.

gumbyandpokey on September 29, 2012 at 9:53 AM

People dont give up the fight for freedom just because evil looks strong.

It aint over till it’s over, Phone boy.

the_nile on September 29, 2012 at 9:56 AM

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Considering your history here, I am fully prepared to give your post the consideration it so richly deserves./

kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 9:57 AM

This is the media.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=JWToUATLGzs#t=5

Eventually they all fall in line.

TrueNorthist on September 29, 2012 at 9:57 AM

You really stepped in it this time, Mr. Shaw.

To give credence to MSLSD is one sure way to get a slew of hits.

Oh….

tru2tx on September 29, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Either way , he’s an ass.

the_nile on September 29, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Even if you have to Troll a Conservative website for the purpose of attention and disruption.
kingsjester on September 29, 2012 at 9:36 AM

It’s always a good sign when the trolls are in total panic mode.

whatcat on September 29, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Another “turd in a punchbowl” post from Jazz. With the exception of when he talked about his dog that died, I really haven’t appreciated reading what he has had to say.

gracie on September 29, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Can we remove all of these replacement ref posts from HotGas please?

gatorboy on September 29, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Polls are made in a Hollywood studio, just like moon landing.

- Desperate 2008 2012 Conservative

lester on September 29, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Don’t know if you guys have noticed, but even the ridiculous “unskewedpolls.com” site is showing huge movement to Obama in their tracking poll, moving from Romney +12 to Romney +3 this week. When even they show him tanking, you know something is going on. But keep sticking your head in the sand and be shocked…SHOCKED…on election night. And it’s going to be called very early when Ohio goes for Obama.

gumbyandpokey on September 29, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Well…duh.

After the awesome week the administration had with those foreign policy victories, and all the great PR they received from the masses learning about the new Obama-phone program, of COURSE the polls are going to move in his direction.

/Reality

bigmacdaddy on September 29, 2012 at 10:00 AM

WOW. Think I’ll back out of this thread.

gophergirl on September 29, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Umm, Ryan had just introduced Romney, so the crowd chanting “Romney, Romney” is believable. Have you been paying attention?

Mr. Arkadin on September 29, 2012 at 9:48 AM

romney says this:

“Wow! That’s quite a guy, isn’t it? Paul Ryan! Isn’t that something?”

and the crowd would chant romney,romney after this? i cannot believe it!

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Remember when Coca-Cola (Malkin’s HOT-AIR) became New Coke (Townhall’s HOT-AIR)?

AmeriCuda on September 29, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Jazz needs to go back to the green room. Never was a fan and not excited about him being the weekend guy here. Followed him on twitter for awhile and could not take it. He is cut from the same cloth of Morning Joe.
Maybe there were a couple of people near a mike that said Ryan. The majority was chanting Romney.

Joe is a RINO A$$hat and Jazz is the Holder! ;)

BTW – my favorite comment.

So sick and tired of the “Romney is awkward” canard. Let’s vote for the guy who is actively destroying the country…cuz the other guy is sometimes…awkward? And in this case, awkward because people are screaming his name over and over in adulation. Humility. It’s so damn…awkward. He’s also sincere. Accomplished. Honest. Entirely decent. But Oh. My. God.…he’s awkward!…so we’re going with the other guy instead — the insincere, unaccomplished, dishonest, indecent guy who wants to wreck everything. Because he’s cool. Never awkward. And he loves it when people scream his name over and over again. Loves it so much, lets its wash over him, basks in the adulation, pleads for more, nourishes himself with it like all hungry tyrants do…but never awkwardly.

Wake up, America.

Rational Thought on September 29, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Right on the money RT right on the money.

kara26 on September 29, 2012 at 10:04 AM

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