Quotes of the day

posted at 10:52 pm on September 27, 2012 by Allahpundit

Justice Department documents released today by the ACLU reveal that federal law enforcement agencies are increasingly monitoring Americans’ electronic communications, and doing so without warrants, sufficient oversight, or meaningful accountability.

The documents, handed over by the government only after months of litigation, are the attorney general’s 2010 and 2011 reports on the use of “pen register” and “trap and trace” surveillance powers. The reports show a dramatic increase in the use of these surveillance tools, which are used to gather information about telephone, email, and other Internet communications. The revelations underscore the importance of regulating and overseeing the government’s surveillance power…

In fact, more people were subjected to pen register and trap and trace surveillance in the past two years than in the entire previous decade.

***

For the government, the usual goal of a pen/trap tap is to identify who you are communicating with and when. In particular, individuals can often be identified based on the IP address assigned to their computer. IP addresses are generally allotted in batches, semi-permanently, to institutions such as universities, Internet service providers (ISPs), and businesses. Depending how the institution distributes its IP address allotment, it may be more or less difficult to link specific computers, and users, to certain IP addresses. It is often surprisingly easy. ISPs often keep detailed logs about IP address allotment, and as we’ll discuss later, those logs are easy for the government to get using a subpoena. Similarly, if the government is collecting email addresses with a pen/trap, it’s easy for them to go to the email provider and subpoena the identity of the person who registered that address.

Another purpose of pen/trap taps is to access information about your cell phone’s location in real-time. When your handset is powered on, it connects to nearby cell towers to signal its proximity, so that the towers can rapidly route a call when it comes through. Law enforcement can use pen/trap devices to monitor these connections, or “pings”, to pinpoint the physical location of the handset, sometimes within a few meters. And although Congress has made clear that pen/trap orders alone cannot be used to authorize this sort of location surveillance, it hasn’t yet clarified what type of court order would suffice. So, although many courts have chosen to require warrants for location tracking, others have not, and the government has routinely been able to get court authorization for such tracking without probable cause.

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Even more alarming, the latest figures — which were for years 2010 and 2011 — open only a tiny window into the U.S. surveillance society.

Consider that last year mobile carriers responded to a staggering 1.3 million law enforcement requests — which come from federal, state and local police, as well as from administrative offices – for subscriber information, including text messages and phone location data. That’s according to data provided to Congress that was released in July.

The nation’s major phone providers said they were working around the clock and charging millions in fees to keep up with ever-growing demands…

All of this only concerns disclosed monitoring. The Electronic Frontier Foundation, in ongoing litigation, claims the National Security Agency, with the help of the nation’s telecoms, is hijacking all electronic communications.

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More troubling still, says Crump, is just how hard the surveillance data was for the ACLU to obtain. Despite requirements that the warrantless surveillance orders be reported to Congress annually, Congress hasn’t bothered to publish the data for the last two years. The ACLU instead was forced to file Freedom of Information Act requests for the data and then sue the Department of Justice in May to force it to comply.

Even the documents the ACLU has succeeded in publishing, Crump points out, only cover the Department of Justice. That means surveillance orders by the Secret Service, the Department of Homeland Security, and every state and local police force aren’t included. In reports of wiretaps, those state-by-state orders often outnumber the federal surveillance cases.

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Gee, and all this time I thought Democrats hated wiretaps and warrantless surveillance.

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Among these likely libertarian voters, the presidential horserace currently stands:

Romney 77%
Obama 20%
Other 3%

Romney’s share of the libertarian vote represents a high water mark for Republican presidential candidates in recent elections.

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Via the ACLU.


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First?!

Jvette on September 27, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Bishop takes queen. Checkmate.

John the Libertarian on September 27, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Condoms for Computers..

Electrongod on September 27, 2012 at 10:54 PM

WooHOOO!

That’s a first, first for me:?)

Jvette on September 27, 2012 at 10:54 PM

I blame Bush!

aunursa on September 27, 2012 at 10:55 PM

And they’re just getting warmed up.

Rational Thought on September 27, 2012 at 10:55 PM

HA conservative posters We will be the frst sent to the gulag.

they lie on September 27, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Gimme

So many free perk,
No reason to work.
Free health care if you ill;
Gimme free birth control pill.
I ain’t tryin’ to be no drone,
Gimme free Obama phone.
Food stamp if you hungry,
Welfare to spend.
We keep it all comin’
As long as Obama win.

TarheelBen on September 27, 2012 at 10:56 PM

The nation’s major phone providers said they were working around the clock and charging millions in fees to keep up with ever-growing demands…

Growing the middle class…

Obama’s Forward..future crap..

Electrongod on September 27, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Dang, I thought “0bama phone” would make QOTD fer shur.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 10:57 PM

In case this is being montired by BIG BROTHER…up yours!

they lie on September 27, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Too bad this isn’t an election year…

Seven Percent Solution on September 27, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Sauron the ALL seeing EYE…

So corrupt…

I don’t like being monitored by anyone…

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Hi Scrumpy.

SparkPlug on September 27, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Dang, I thought “0bama phone” would make QOTD fer shur.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 10:57 PM

It just did…

If you don’t have an Obama phone..

You are targeted…

Electrongod on September 27, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Patriotic economy

Conservative4ev on September 27, 2012 at 10:59 PM

yeah a big V up yours!!

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 10:59 PM

That’s a first, first for me:?)

Jvette on September 27, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Bishop was first. You’re just an arrogant poseur who’s probably going to die in a freak snowmobiling accident.

Axe on September 27, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Dang, I thought “0bama phone” would make QOTD fer shur.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Me too. All the shows hit on it today.

Lanceman on September 27, 2012 at 10:59 PM

WooHOOO!

That’s a first, first for me:?)

Jvette on September 27, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Now that that is out of the way…

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Hi Scrumpy.

SparkPlug on September 27, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Say hey to the Scrumper for me.

Lanceman on September 27, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Dang, I thought “0bama phone” would make QOTD fer shur.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Maybe all of those Obama phones are being traced. How funny would that be?

JPeterman on September 27, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Lanceman will be along shortly to tell me to say “Hey” to S.

SparkPlug on September 27, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Gee, and all this time I thought Democrats hated wiretaps and warrantless surveillance.

only if their patrons/clients/handlers are targets,
you know anti-American terrorists, jihadies and other killers.

burrata on September 27, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Bwaaahhhh. Too Funny. Lanceman.

SparkPlug on September 27, 2012 at 11:01 PM

I mean not the V for Victory 2 fingered sign, turn your palm in and jerk your hand in an upward fashion lol yeah like that! Means FU or FO…

Oh I am bad tonight…

Hi Sparky :-)

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Lanceman on September 27, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Come say Hi yourself!! :-)

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:02 PM

I hear there’s a debate next week…

wolly4321 on September 27, 2012 at 11:02 PM

…the Dems ARE the Big Brother!

KOOLAID2 on September 27, 2012 at 11:03 PM

I’m quite certain that Google is evil.

Fallon on September 27, 2012 at 11:04 PM

It is too early for the chittin’ and chattin’ y’all.

The forum monitors will not be happy with this.

Its a good thing that a noob can only get their “firstest” cherry broke once per thread.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 11:04 PM

That any libertarian could consider voting for a man who tied every single citizen to the national government for the entirety of their life, while at the same time executing American citizens without benefit of trial or even judicial oversight, is shocking.

To my fellow libertarians, I can only say we must defeat this scum, even if it means supporting Mitt Romney.

JohnGalt23 on September 27, 2012 at 11:04 PM

To all the Department of Jihad flunkies lurking here tonite,
guess which finger I’m using to salute you right now
:O

burrata on September 27, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Evening all.

Took the Romney sweatshirt out for it’s inaugural spin tonight. A few glares but that’s it. Kinda of disappointed LOL!

gophergirl on September 27, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Bishop was first. You’re just an arrogant poseur who’s probably going to die in a freak snowmobiling accident.

Axe on September 27, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Since I live in Vegas and daily temps are still in the 90s, that would be a freak accident.

Bishop!

Jvette on September 27, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Dang, I thought “0bama phone” would make QOTD fer shur.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 10:57 PM

It did. Only as “0bama phone taps.” I guess we’re all pretty much screwed around here if 0 is able to steal this election.

cynccook on September 27, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Aw man, I’m devastated. I just got exposed:

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 11:01 PM

As I predicted. Reduced to name calling.
Or should I refer to astonerii.

Pretty sure that having two accounts talking to yourself is against the TOS.

Steveangell on September 27, 2012 at 11:04 PM

So much for my secret identity. That little stevie isn’t as stupid as we all thought.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Since I live in Vegas and daily temps are still in the 90s, that would be a freak accident.

Bishop!

Jvette on September 27, 2012 at 11:08 PM

It’s been nice knowing you.

cynccook on September 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM

To those in charge of that file containing all of my internet communications, carefully enshrined on Washington D.C.:

Take good care of it, keep it tidy. I may wish to publish it all someday. Meanwhile… I sincerely hope you choke on it.

thatsafactjack on September 27, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Maybe all of those Obama phones are being traced. How funny would that be?

JPeterman on September 27, 2012 at 11:00 PM

EBT cards are tracked and no one has a problem with that .

burrata on September 27, 2012 at 11:10 PM

New Propaganda Posters!!!

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/09/propaganda-revisited-we-wuz-robbed-way_27.html

What WWII posters would look like today!

Resist We Much on September 27, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Ok Lets talk politics.

Barry is an ineffectual hermaphroditic worm with a prehensile tongue-like appendage that licks itself clean after plowing through a column of dung, savoring the slimy glue as if it were goose pate served on a silver platter.

SparkPlug on September 27, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Come say Hi yourself!! :-)

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Hey, Scrumpy.

Lanceman on September 27, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Those nerds you made fun of in high school are now listening to all of your telephone calls.

Sgt Steve on September 27, 2012 at 11:10 PM

*sip*

Dave was first too. I still remember his last words.

“FIRST!”

Poor bastard.

That means surveillance orders by the Secret Service, the Department of Homeland Security, and every state and local police force aren’t included.

Huh.

Axe on September 27, 2012 at 11:10 PM

This is my song for Obama and the Dems…

Yes, this is how I feel and I never thought that this admin would bring me down like this…

Every time I hear them spout their lies I play this full blast!!

Play it LOUD!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkBU1aD88z8&feature=related

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Its a good thing that a noob can only get their “firstest” cherry broke once per thread.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 11:04 PM

LOl, I am not a noob:)

Jvette on September 27, 2012 at 11:11 PM

So much for my secret identity. That little stevie isn’t as stupid as we all thought.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM

You’re confusing stupid with nuts again.

cynccook on September 27, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Lanceman on September 27, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Hi Lanceman…

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Justice Department documents released today by the ACLU reveal that federal law enforcement agencies are increasingly monitoring Americans’ electronic communications, and doing so without warrants, sufficient oversight, or meaningful accountability.

I’m shocked,shocked I tell you, that the Obamanation Administration would perpetrate such a heinous crime against the American people…

Oh… Wait….no I’m not…

SWalker on September 27, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Bishop!

Jvette on September 27, 2012 at 11:08 PM

whew

Axe on September 27, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Every time I hear them spout their lies I play this full blast!!

Play it LOUD!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkBU1aD88z8&feature=related

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Oh my Lord! I guess I shan’t be thinking of crumpets after this!

cynccook on September 27, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Too bad this isn’t an election year…

… Wait a tic, there’s someone at my door.

I’ll be right ba..

Seven Percent Solution on September 27, 2012 at 11:13 PM

SparkPlug on September 27, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Oh my my my!! I am shocked I tell ya…

I am stealing that!

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Among these likely libertarian voters, the presidential horserace currently stands:

Romney 77%
Obama 20%
Other 3%

A Libertarian voting for Obama is like a Jew voting for Hitler.

VorDaj on September 27, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Lanceman will be along shortly to tell me to say “Hey” to S.

SparkPlug on September 27, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Better make sure your bicycle tires have air in them… ;p

SWalker on September 27, 2012 at 11:14 PM

The GOPe will betray you!!..:)

Dire Straits on September 27, 2012 at 11:14 PM

This is my song for Obama and the Dems…

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:11 PM

You did well……

Electrongod on September 27, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Not as good as this.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 11:15 PM

cynccook on September 27, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Nope… sorry…

Oh tea and crumpets with fresh clotted cream and fresh strawberries
lightly buttered, and thru the tiny holes in the crumpets the butter escapes and will lightly drip onto your chin… sigh… :-)

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:15 PM

All of this only concerns disclosed monitoring. The Electronic Frontier Foundation, in ongoing litigation, claims the National Security Agency, with the help of the nation’s telecoms, is hijacking all electronic communications.

But that’s not new. Haven’t we been using Canada to spy on us for a while now?

Axe on September 27, 2012 at 11:16 PM

and thru the tiny holes in the crumpets the butter escapes and will lightly drip onto your chin… sigh… :-)

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Those must be GOPe crumpets…

SWalker on September 27, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:15 PM

As long as it isn’t those dang cucumber sandwiches.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Jackie!

KCB on September 27, 2012 at 11:16 PM

We are government of the people, for the people. When the government is that scared of its citizenry, what does that tell you?

KMC1 on September 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Obysmal is lying to us (Libyan clusterfark), spying on us, and devaluing our currency: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/09/president-flexible.php

Great ad by American Crossroads

onlineanalyst on September 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 11:15 PM

cozmo! she don’t hate you… awwwwwwwww

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM

The GOPe will betray you!!..:)

Dire Straits on September 27, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Dire!!!

How ya doin’?

Electrongod on September 27, 2012 at 11:18 PM

cozmo! she don’t hate you… awwwwwwwww

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Give it time. Everybody does before long.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 11:18 PM

It’s been nice knowing you.

cynccook on September 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM

It’s been nice being known.

Jvette on September 27, 2012 at 11:19 PM

WooHOOO!

That’s a first, first for me:?)

Jvette on September 27, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Wait…what?

Move.

Bishop on September 27, 2012 at 11:19 PM

The GOPe will betray you!!..:)

Dire Straits on September 27, 2012 at 11:14 PM

I resent that! How the hell do you know if I’m a trucon or not?

Lanceman on September 27, 2012 at 11:19 PM

KCB on September 27, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Good evening, Ken! :)

thatsafactjack on September 27, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Cucumber sandwiches are delightful…served with the crust cut off, dainty to eat…must be served on an ornate white china plate to give the sandwich some dignity…

Earl Grey is a must! With just a light squeeze of lemon…

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:19 PM

To my fellow libertarians, I can only say we must defeat this scum, even if it means supporting Mitt Romney.

JohnGalt23 on September 27, 2012 at 11:04 PM

+ 100..You have your work cut out for you!!..:)

Dire Straits on September 27, 2012 at 11:20 PM

It is too early for the chittin’ and chattin’ y’all.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 11:04 PM

C’mon down to AllahP’s Sam Adams post and grab a brew. Don’t cost nothin’.

Fallon on September 27, 2012 at 11:21 PM

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Whats to hate? Not a thing…

Love makes the world go round… or so I have been told…

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:21 PM

David Burge
‏@iowahawkblog

America: where half the phones are free, the other half are tapped.

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/251500887778930689

Hockey stick graph: watch it bend at 2009 http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security-technology-and-liberty/new-justice-department-documents-show-huge-increase

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/251503161469186048

ITguy on September 27, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Cucumber sandwiches are delightful…

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Those are treats that can remain on the other side of the pond.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 11:21 PM

I resent that! How the hell do you know if I’m a trucon or not?

Lanceman on September 27, 2012 at 11:19 PM

LoLz..Kinda like what is a “mittbot”??!!??..:)

Dire Straits on September 27, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:19 PM

I agree totally. Earl Grey best Tea ever. I drink it all the time.
But I don’t put any Lemon at all. Its perfect in my book. Never tire of drinking it.

Plus I love cucumber salad with vinegar.

SparkPlug on September 27, 2012 at 11:23 PM

We are government of the people, for the people. When the government is that scared of its citizenry, what does that tell you?

KMC1 on September 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM

I guess it might tighten the rope more and more.

Axe on September 27, 2012 at 11:24 PM

C’mon down to AllahP’s Sam Adams post and grab a brew. Don’t cost nothin’.

Fallon on September 27, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Too many 0bama fluffin’ ABR batcrap crazy nutball trolls in the “polls and experts” thread to jump around very much. Plus, I’m tired.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Since I live in Vegas and daily temps are still in the 90s, that would be a freak accident.

Bishop!

Jvette on September 27, 2012 at 11:08 PM


Especially the part where you tied yourself onto it and then tried to run it across Lake Mead ….

FREAKY

PolAgnostic on September 27, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Can’t hang tonight folks. Have a wonderful discussion! Don’t forget teh Won is listening! Take care!

KCB on September 27, 2012 at 11:25 PM

LoLz..Kinda like what is a “mittbot”??!!??..:)

Dire Straits on September 27, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Alls I know is I ain’t no Mittbot.

I was a Bushbot.

Lanceman on September 27, 2012 at 11:25 PM

A Libertarian voting for Obama is like a Jew voting for Hitler Oboma.

VorDaj on September 27, 2012 at 11:13 PM


FIFY

PolAgnostic on September 27, 2012 at 11:26 PM

SparkPlug on September 27, 2012 at 11:23 PM

I knew there was something wrong with you. Never trust a personality with jumping sparks in their handle.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Axe on September 27, 2012 at 11:24 PM

So…did you finally get your feet back on the ground? My, oh, my… Axefellow… Kelly Maher’s favorite! I was there… I saw it with my own eyes! :)

thatsafactjack on September 27, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Too many 0bama fluffin’ ABR batcrap crazy nutball trolls in the “polls and experts” thread to jump around very much. Plus, I’m tired.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Yeah, no kidding. I don’t think I can take any more of astonerii tonight.

At least FloatingCrock limits his stuff.

Lanceman on September 27, 2012 at 11:26 PM

KCB on September 27, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Goodnight, Ken! See you soon!:)

thatsafactjack on September 27, 2012 at 11:27 PM

My very thinly sliced cucumber salad has yogurt and sour cream and a little dill and a dash of malt vinegar in it with tiny bits of onion… has to get real cold… oh it’s delicious on a hot summer evening… with a tall glass of real lemonade…

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Yeah, no kidding. I don’t think I can take any more of astonerii tonight.

Lanceman on September 27, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Not again.

gophergirl on September 27, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Nite KCB!

Scrumpy on September 27, 2012 at 11:28 PM

I’m with the ACLU all the way on this, something I thought I’d never say. Most people don’t know that we have been under a continuous State of Emergency since 9/11. In a State of Emergency, the laws allow the president to, among other things, suspend the Constitutional right of Habeas Corpus (the right of an individual to get a hearing on why she or he should be detained or kept imprisoned), something the “beloved” Lincoln was the first to invoke, and to suspend the right of a member of the National Guard to be judged by a state grand jury instead of military court, thus putting a state defense force under the thumb of a military tribunal where not following orders can subject the guard member to execution.

Now, when you add into the mix the unfettered right of the government to surveil you electronically during this “State of Emergency”, you’re talking very dangerous stuff. If Obama is re-elected, just imagine the kind of misdeeds in this regard he would order. That said, no president and no congress should ever be go where they can go right now, as I write.

Tyranny is knock, knock, knocking at the door.

TXUS on September 27, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Yeah, no kidding. I don’t think I can take any more of astonerii tonight.

At least FloatingCrock limits his stuff.

Lanceman on September 27, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Astroturdii is still going strong in that thread. He’s found an audience.

JPeterman on September 27, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Other than the morons at the ACLU, would EVERYONE who is surprised a Chicago Machine politician is running amok with the national security apparatus please speak up!

…….*………*………*………*……….*……..*…….*………*………*………*……….*……..*…….*………*………*………*……….*……..*…….*………*………*………*……….*……..*…….*………*………*………*……….*……..*…….*………*………*………*……….*……..*……….

(the tumbleweeds and the wind have it – it IS only the morons at the ACLU)

PolAgnostic on September 27, 2012 at 11:30 PM

In fact, more people were subjected to pen register and trap and trace surveillance in the past two years than in the entire previous decade.

Does it have anything to do with the Right-Wing Extremist™ Tea Partiers? Is it related to all those bullets the government’s bought? A great flipping day to be a conspiracy theorist. Holding Obama’s government up in this light misses only the music.

Axe on September 27, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Not again.

gophergirl on September 27, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Heh, add in stevieangleironhead and drintintin. They are jerkin’ each other off and claiming everybody else is.

cozmo on September 27, 2012 at 11:31 PM

I was a Bushbot.

Lanceman on September 27, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Ditto that!!..:)

Dire Straits on September 27, 2012 at 11:31 PM

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