Breaking: Fox News confirms Obama admin designated Benghazi sacking a terror attack within first 24 hours

posted at 10:35 am on September 27, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Fox News follows up on Eli Lake’s excellent reporting on the intel after the assassination of Ambassador Chris Stevens, confirming from their own sources that the US knew within the first twenty-four hours that the sacking of the Benghazi consulate was no “spontaneous demonstration” that spun out of control.  In fact, they already suspected al-Qaeda of masterminding the planned terrorist attack on the compound days before even admitting that it had been a terror attack at all — and had designated the incident as terrorism in order to pursue one suspect:

U.S. intelligence officials knew within 24 hours of the assault on the U.S. Consulate in Libya that it was a terrorist attack and suspected Al Qaeda-tied elements were involved, sources told Fox News — though it took the administration a week to acknowledge it.

The account conflicts with claims on the Sunday after the attack by U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice that the administration believed the strike was a “spontaneous” event triggered by protests in Egypt over an anti-Islam film.

Two senior U.S. officials said the Obama administration internally labeled the attack terrorism from the first day in order to unlock and mobilize certain resources to respond, and that officials were looking for one specific suspect.

Four days later, the White House sent UN Ambassador Susan Rice to five different Sunday talk shows to claim that the sacking and assassination sprang from a “spontaneous” demonstration.  That no longer can be explained as initial confusion over conflicting reports; it is now clearly a lie told by the White House.  Jennifer Rubin pointed this out at the Washington Post even before the Fox report, and wondered where the national media that screeched at every claim by George W. Bush has suddenly become so comfortable with an administration that flat-out lies to them:

Eli Lake let loose a bombshell yesterday: “Within 24 hours of the 9-11 anniversary attack on the United States consulate in Benghazi, U.S. intelligence agencies had strong indications al Qaeda–affiliated operatives were behind the attack, and had even pinpointed the location of one of those attackers. Three separate U.S. intelligence officials who spoke to The Daily Beast said the early information was enough to show that the attack was planned and the work of al Qaeda affiliates operating in Eastern Libya.”

Obviously the report, if true, suggests that the White House lied to the American people by insisting for over a week that this was a spontaneous attack. It is one thing for the president to be so benighted as to think a video sets off multiple attacks on Sept. 11. It is quite another to send out his advisers, including his own spokesman, to mislead voters. …

And finally, now is the time when we see if reporters and pundits are more than shills for the president. The incompetency, and perhaps mendacity, of thee White House here is severe. The media’s glaring unwillingness to hold the president accountable for his actions can be at least partially remedied if they pursue the story vigorously. Even though Bush in good faith believed his intelligence community’s take on weapons of mass destruction, the left-leaning elites hollered, “Bush lied, people died!” But here we have dead Americans and an cover story in shreds. Why is there not, at a bare minimum, a call for answers? Isn’t this a top-of-the-fold issue? Well, my guess is that pundits and reporters alike in the mainstream media will do their best to soften and downplay the story.

I hope I’m wrong and that the media live up to their journalistic responsibilities, but I see little evidence that an epidemic of fairness is breaking out in the mainstream media. All the more reason, then, for lawmakers and Romney to push for answers. Certainly, we shouldn’t have a president in office who would lie to the American people about a critical national security issue for the sake of his own reelection, right?

Jennifer should start by asking her own colleagues at the Post.  Aside from Glenn Kessler, who began pointing out the politics involved in the cover story today, the newspaper hasn’t done much to challenge Rice’s account or the fallout from its collapse.

Update: Jim DeMint called for a complete investigation into the White House’s “misleading” statements even before Fox broke this news:

Officials claimed the attacks were “spontaneous” and a result of a
 protest that had “spun out of control.”  Ambassador Rice denied it was 
premeditated, stating that the protest was “hijacked by some
 individual clusters of extremists…and then it evolved from there.”

Then, finally, the National Counterterrosim Center Director Matthew 
Olsen stated in a Senate hearing the four Americans were killed “in
 the course of a terror attack” that may have connections to al Qaeda, but that we do not have specific intelligence of “significant advance
 planning”.

Again, this is a different narrative described by Libyan President
 Megariaf, who said the attack was carried out by foreign militants who
 had infiltrated Libya and had been planning these events for months.
 The contradictory and changing stories stemming from the same events 
are worrisome.

It’s far past time to get all the facts. We need a comprehensive
 detailed report rather than waiting for various officials to dribble
 them out one interview at a time.

Senator Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) and I have introduced legislation to require the Obama
 Administration to conduct an official investigation and issue a report
on the September 11-13, 2012 attacks on United States missions in
 Libya, Egypt, and Yemen within 30 days. It also requires the Secretary 
of State to submit recommended changes to security procedures.

It’s time to flush out the liars.  As Glenn Reynolds says — faster, please.


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hawkdriver on September 27, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Hawk, it has lost the arguement (as always) and is now dancing around it’s basement with an eyepatch and a sword pretending it is jack sparrow.

VegasRick on September 27, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Mrs. Hawkdriver actually called upstairs and asked what I was laughing so hard at. :-)

hawkdriver on September 27, 2012 at 11:41 AM

They also lied to the Senate and House Intelligence Committees. So there goes that theory.

I would bet that American weapons were used in the attack.

Naturally Curly on September 27, 2012 at 11:34 AM

yeah, i know. i was just hoping thse limosine socialits pampered peter princpled commies would somewhere somehow by accident perhaps be running some disinformation, a psy-op campaign against AQ. something productive. something to help win this war rather than intentionally losing. its just so hard to take sometimes.

t8stlikchkn on September 27, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Well, this is damned interesting. Can anyone say coverup?

BacaDog on September 27, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Coverup!

Like Fast & Furious

(Part of Obama’s doctrine to aid and abet Arab Spring Enterprise)

workingclass artist on September 27, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Look, sh** head, it seems that your ‘point’ is that the label “terrorist act” is a justification for what you perceive as an U.S. military over-reaction, and as such, an expansion of Federal power.

M240H on September 27, 2012 at 11:29 AM

It certainly is used as a justification for future government expansion and continued abuse and infringement of our liberties. Have you not been paying attention over the past 12 years?

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 11:42 AM

A charlatan is president.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 11:36 AM

And his campaign keeps dispatching charlatan trolls to poison blog threads like this and attempt to suppress turnout.

Honestly, is anyone who is inclined to vote against this seditious punk in the White House going to be dissuaded from going to the polls when, week after week, outrage upon outrage is piled upon us like this?

Our President is an international disgrace, and his acolytes cannot defend him, his actions or his record, so they continue to try to divert attention with “Mitt’s rich” or “Mitt’s weak” stories.

Right Mover on September 27, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Mrs. Hawkdriver actually called upstairs and asked what I was laughing so hard at. :-)

hawkdriver on September 27, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Dammit! I just shot coffee out of my nose! Crap!

VegasRick on September 27, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Politico trying to cover dear leader’s butt insisting he did say the word terror in the rose garden

Puhleeze

cmsinaz on September 27, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 11:28 AM

You’re right. Terrorist attacks only involve Israel and Mossad, right?

wargamer6 on September 27, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Wasn’t great to see. And just because you’ve got an isolationist mentality doesn’t mean every attack on US Citizens are “action” justified by some other previous transgression on our part.

School us, what would you call a coordinated attack on sovereign embassy soil?

hawkdriver on September 27, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Non-interventionist, not isolationist. Learn the difference. Also, embassies and other diplomatic missions are not sovereign soil.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 11:44 AM

But they DID get the perp… the guy who made the video.

VA Jacket on September 27, 2012 at 11:39 AM

yeah right. and i even used a police action word to describe him. yeah, send in the FBI. this admin is running a psy-ops campaign against US. good lord.

t8stlikchkn on September 27, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Also, embassies and other diplomatic missions are not sovereign soil.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Yes, they are, you cowardly liar.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2012 at 11:45 AM

All of this arm-flailing is OLD. WAY past time for action. Where are the Republicans? I’m tired of them biatching and doing nothing about it. MAKE this front page news. IMPEACH HIS ASS.

Saltyron on September 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Like I said… Obama’s Operation Eagle Claw. The original Operation Eagle Claw cost President Jimmy Carter any hope he might have had of reelection, both the Obama Administration and the Fifth Column Treasonous Media are terrified that the terrorist attack and the subsequent failed rescue mission will have the same impact on Barack Obama’s hope for reelection that is why they denied obfuscated and lied about it.

SWalker on September 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Also, embassies and other diplomatic missions are not sovereign soil.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Like hell they’re not!

ted c on September 27, 2012 at 11:47 AM

I’m sure there will be media outrage over the lies and cover-up any time now. . . . . . . . .

WannabeAnglican on September 27, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Yes, there are. But, it furthers your purposes to lie about it. Spit it out, weasel.

kingsjester on September 27, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Non-interventionist, not isolationist. Learn the difference. Also, embassies and other diplomatic missions are not sovereign soil.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Anti-Semitic Ronulan would be a much more accurate description.

SWalker on September 27, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Obama and his regime are using the mainstream media for their own political and personal purposes. There is no “news” media in this country any more, there’s only large socialist, pandering propaganda machines like CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post et al. This poor sick Republic in in a steep decline.

rplat on September 27, 2012 at 11:48 AM

I often complain legitimately about the trend toward mediocrity at Fox News, but God bless them for reporting this when the rest of the clownish media won’t.

22044 on September 27, 2012 at 11:49 AM

With his lies about the video, Obama was the instigator of the riots and protests in the Muslim countries after the 9/11 attack in Libya.

albill on September 27, 2012 at 11:49 AM

I’m not sure why the good posters of HA argue with a total asshat but it is funny to watch.

VegasRick on September 27, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Impeachment, prosecution, epithets, meh. There is only one meaningful way to assuage your outrageous indignation. At the dawn of the day, November 6, 2012.

Finbar on September 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Yes, they are, you cowardly liar.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Like hell they’re not!

ted c on September 27, 2012 at 11:47 AM

They are not.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 11:52 AM

FBI agents have requested for the crime scene to be secured, but that, too, has not yet occurred.
canopfor on September 27, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Unbelievable! This is just an extension of the lies. CNN got in the Consulate office and obtained the diary of Ambassador Stevens. What a farce.

I like this comment from a Headline thread:
The FBI investigation is a scam to stonewall the Congressional investigation. It looks like Keystone Cops, with people falling over each other in the rush to CYA.
petefrt on September 27, 2012 at 8:35 AM

Thanks canopfor.

bluefox on September 27, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Somebody needs to drag Susan Rice’s lying ass up Congress to testify under oath. And I’d make sure she was perp walked into the chamber.

Happy Nomad on September 27, 2012 at 11:53 AM

This poor sick Republic in in a steep decline.

rplat on September 27, 2012 at 11:48 AM

No, that is the propaganda being pushed by the Fifth Column Treasonous Media. It is being pushed super hard right now because the Fifth Column Treasonous Media knows that the political pendulum in America has already stated it’s swing back towards the conservative right.

They are desperate to disillusion conservatives in an attempt to limit just how far to the right the swing extends. So they are throwing up a Potemkin Village Marxist illusion of America in hopes that some conservatives will fall for it and thus the swing back to traditional conservative Constitutional values will not be equal to the unconstitutional Marxist swing that they foisted off on America.

SWalker on September 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM

hawkdriver on September 27, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Non-interventionist, not isolationist. Learn the difference. Also, embassies and other diplomatic missions are not sovereign soil.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Aside from your other inane assertions, what would you call the attack?

hawkdriver on September 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 11:52 AM

I notice the coward has still quivered too much to explain how to categorize the attack, and what the reaction should be. The coward still hasn’t even condemned the thing.

Everything the US or Israel does is terroristic, but accusing any other country of terrorism is just neocon warmongering.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Anti-Semitic Ronulan would be a much more accurate description.

SWalker on September 27, 2012 at 11:48 AM

You’ve got it right. And there isn’t a bit of difference between non-interventionist and isolationist.

Happy Nomad on September 27, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Also, embassies and other diplomatic missions are not sovereign soil.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 11:44 AM
Yes, they are, you cowardly liar.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2012 at 11:45 AM

As a Non-interventionalist, Dante would have no clue as to the status of either an embassy or diplomatic mission.
They represent something he does not believe.
Ignorence compounding itself.

Jabberwock on September 27, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Don’t like the job the media is doing?
Write to media and complain:

Email Address of Journalists, News Editors, TV Anchors & Web Reporters

AND

The Free Speech Zone Media Contact List

albill on September 27, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Something is not right…

The Marine Corp reported that no Marines were in Libya at the time of the Benghazi attack…see link below

Reuters reported at the time of the attack that a squad of eight Marines arrived by helicopter on a rescue mission and were attacked with casualties…see link below

Marines say there were no Marines in Libya

Reuters reports that an eight man squad was flown from Tripoli by helicopter to Benghazi and were in the firefight

d1carter on September 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM

I suspect a bunch more of them were killed, and that is being hidden from us in order to keep the death toll down. Maybe the helicopter was even shot down and all dead. At this point my imagination is as credible as what we get from Jackass.

slickwillie2001 on September 27, 2012 at 11:56 AM

I’m sure there will be media outrage over the lies and cover-up any time now. . . . . . . . .

WannabeAnglican on September 27, 2012 at 11:47 AM

If the MSM mention this at all, I doubt it’ll be a straight news story. They’ll assemble a panel discussion that I would expect to run like this:

Q: “President Obama is being accused of a scandal that rivals Watergate. What do you think of that? Is there a comparison?”

A: “Oh, no way! Nixon tried to stifle the election chances of the Democrat Party–an assault on free speech and the right of Americans to vote…”

Then, for the next hour, the audience will be treated to a rehashing of Watergate.

Liam on September 27, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Aside from your other inane assertions, what would you call the attack?

hawkdriver on September 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM

I’m sure Dante would catagorize it the same as Ron Paul- All our own fault. Paul’s stupid economic theories truly mask just how dangerous and absurd his foreign policy ideas are.

Happy Nomad on September 27, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Yea…Jim Demint wants ‘answers’…and Fox News is ‘breaking’ this.
Well, we know where this is all going.

verbaluce on September 27, 2012 at 11:59 AM

The anti-semite is right, unfortunately.

http://travel.state.gov/law/judicial/judicial_678.html#extraterritoriality

U.S. Diplomatic and Consular Premises and Extraterritoriality: All depositions taken in Japan for use in the United States must take place on U.S. Embassy or consulate premises. Diplomatic and consular premises are not extraterritorial. The status of diplomatic and consular premises arises from the rules of law relating to immunity from the prescriptive and enforcement jurisdiction of the receiving state (Japan); the premises are not part of the territory of the sending state (the United States of America). See Restatement (Third) of Foreign Relations Law, Vol. 1, Sec. 466, Comment a and c (1987). See also, Persinger v. Iran, 729 F.2d 835, (D.C. Cir. 1984).

wargamer6 on September 27, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Also, embassies and other diplomatic missions are not sovereign soil.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 11:44 AM

No since arguing with stupid. Dante will just drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Bitter Clinger on September 27, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Right Mover on September 27, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Indeed. The stupid will not vote. Nov. 6 will be telling.

They are not.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 11:52 AM

You fool, you persist in your idiocy, then you triple down.

KT McFarland was just on. They are sovereign territory, in any land. If a baby is born in an embassy it is a citizen of that land. If an embassy is attacked it’s as if the state department of that country is attacked.

Go back to school, you moron.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Yea…Jim Demint wants ‘answers’…and Fox News is ‘breaking’ this.
Well, we know where this is all going.

verbaluce on September 27, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Awww, your little Bam-Bam has been outed as the liar we always knew he was. Bless your little heart.

Bitter Clinger on September 27, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Also, embassies and other diplomatic missions are not sovereign soil.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Every day I think “this is the stupidest comment on HA”. Today yours came along for the win.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:01 PM

COVERUP SCANDAL DEATH and LIES
or as the MSM calls it “Mitt Romney sure is weird and hates women”

Jackalope on September 27, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Aside from your other inane assertions, what would you call the attack?

hawkdriver on September 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Just that: an attack.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Soon the media will switch to everyone is picking on Barry, feel sorry for him…

albill on September 27, 2012 at 12:02 PM

I suspect a bunch more of them were killed, and that is being hidden from us in order to keep the death toll down. Maybe the helicopter was even shot down and all dead. At this point my imagination is as credible as what we get from Jackass.

slickwillie2001 on September 27, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Face it, this is a cover-up of massive proportions.

What we don’t know at this point includes:

-Why was the ambassador at the consulate?

-Was Stevens in the facility or a safe house?

-Who were those SEALS working for?

-Were the victims betrayed from local staff?

-Why didn’t State secure the facility?

-What was the cause of death of the ambassador and other victims?

-Did the terrorist leader really get released from Gitmo?

Seriously, this is getting to close to Watergate-like proportions.

Happy Nomad on September 27, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Yea…Jim Demint wants ‘answers’…and Fox News is ‘breaking’ this.
Well, we know where this is all going.

verbaluce on September 27, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Great to own the media on your side, right? Makes you smug and condescending. You take it, I guess, none of this will gain traction? It’s not even worth reporting? That Fox is biased for even mentioning what are facts?

hawkdriver on September 27, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Yes, they are, you cowardly liar.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2012 at 11:45 AM
Like hell they’re not!

ted c on September 27, 2012 at 11:47 AM
They are not.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 11:52 AM

According to the government, it is.

brut4ce on September 27, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Just that: an attack.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Still playing your lttle rhetorical games, you weasel.

By the way, your tin foil hat is askew.

kingsjester on September 27, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Doesn’t involve Jews, so in Dante world it’s not terrorism.

wargamer6 on September 27, 2012 at 12:03 PM

For foolish Dante

Because an embassy represents a sovereign state, any attack on an embassy is considered an attack on the country it represents.

Besides the ambassador, embassy staff is typically made up of a deputy chief of mission, Foreign Service Officers, Foreign Service Specialists, and representatives of many other U.S. agencies, such as the Department of Defense and the Department of Agriculture. The staff of all of these agencies reports to the ambassador.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Go back to school, you moron.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Clarity.

VegasRick on September 27, 2012 at 12:04 PM

….the liar we always knew he was…

Bitter Clinger on September 27, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Yes, BC –
You’ve always ‘known’, Jim Demint has always ‘known’, Fox News has always ‘known’.
Ha.

verbaluce on September 27, 2012 at 12:05 PM

KT McFarland was just on. They are sovereign territory, in any land. If a baby is born in an embassy it is a citizen of that land. If an embassy is attacked it’s as if the state department of that country is attacked.

Go back to school, you moron.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:00 PM

I couldn’t care less what McFarland said (and by “just on,” do you mean she was just on HotAir?). That a country would grant citizenship status to someone born within their diplomatic mission does not make that mission sovereign territory.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:05 PM

So first segment on msdnc right now

Mitt. Romney and healthcare

Unstinkingbelievable

cmsinaz on September 27, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Dante, Wiki is not a credible source.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Our President is an international disgrace, …

Right Mover on September 27, 2012 at 11:42 AM

But, but but… He looks so GOOD on the View! Real eye candy there!

And Mrs. BO has such beautiful bare arms too!

Come on, isn’t that what really counts???

climbnjump on September 27, 2012 at 12:05 PM

(and by “just on,” do you mean she was just on HotAir?).

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:05 PM

You take the word “pedantic” to new heights, coward.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2012 at 12:06 PM

For foolish Dante

Because an embassy represents a sovereign state, any attack on an embassy is considered an attack on the country it represents.

Besides the ambassador, embassy staff is typically made up of a deputy chief of mission, Foreign Service Officers, Foreign Service Specialists, and representatives of many other U.S. agencies, such as the Department of Defense and the Department of Agriculture. The staff of all of these agencies reports to the ambassador.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Yes, none of that contradicts what I said. Note the use of the words “represent” and “considered”. If it were a sovereign territory, then it wouldn’t be “considered” an attack against the country it “represents”; it would be an attack against the country. The rest of your post regarding staff is irrelevant.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM

The leftists are soooo dumb that they won’t recognize the block when the terrorists line their heads onto them. Gosh, for that alone I’d like to see the world regress. You sure deserve it.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Yea…Jim Demint wants ‘answers’…and Fox News is ‘breaking’ this.
Well, we know where this is all going.

verbaluce on September 27, 2012 at 11:59 AM

It was first reported by CNN.

It is interesting though that you seem completely unconcerned that Obama and his administration are either liars or incompetent of some mixture of the two.

gwelf on September 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Yeppers, the terrorists will consider all that when your head is on the block, fool.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM

You are irrelevant, Father Coughlin.

kingsjester on September 27, 2012 at 12:08 PM

According to the government, it is.

brut4ce on September 27, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Oh, my. From your link:

While an embassy remains the territory of the host state, under international rules representatives of the host country may not enter an embassy without permission—even to put out a fire.”

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:08 PM

People still talk to Dante?

gwelf on September 27, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM

What is irrelevant is your ‘nuance’. I love delusional leftists the best.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Technically, embassies are not “US soil”. I can’t find any source that says otherwise.

But that’s a legal definition that creates a distinction without a difference. You can’t use the legalism to justify an attack on Americans at the embassy. “Oh, well, their deaths are just bumps in the road because it was an EMBASSY and not a US city, so here’s that sternly worded note in response”.

It was an attack on Americans, on soil Americans were authorized to be on. We’re fully justified in retaliating. Using the “it’s not US soil” is a bullshiat legal dodge to excuse inaction.

Saltyron on September 27, 2012 at 12:09 PM

KT McFarland was just on. They are sovereign territory, in any land. If a baby is born in an embassy it is a citizen of that land. If an embassy is attacked it’s as if the state department of that country is attacked.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:00 PM

So?
What hairs are you attempting to split here…and to make what point?

verbaluce on September 27, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Yep, but terrorists will ask for permission when you’re the ambassador, dork.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:09 PM

wargamer6 on September 27, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Only in the semantics. To be clear, an embassy may not be entered without demonstrating an act of aggression directed at the tenant nation.

Rather, the premises of diplomatic missions remain under the jurisdiction of the host state while being afforded special privileges (such as immunity from most local laws) by the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. Diplomats themselves still retain full diplomatic immunity, and (as an adherent to the Vienna Convention) the host country may not enter the premises of the mission without permission of the represented country. The term “extraterritoriality” is often applied to diplomatic missions, but only in this broader sense.

As the host country may not enter the representing country’s embassy without permission, embassies are sometimes used by refugees escaping from either the host country or a third country. For example, North Korean nationals, who would be arrested and deported from China upon discovery, have sought sanctuary at various third-country embassies in China. Once inside the embassy, diplomatic channels can be used to solve the issue and send the refugees to another country.

hawkdriver on September 27, 2012 at 12:10 PM

What hairs are you attempting to split here…and to make what point?

verbaluce on September 27, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Once again, you’re so obtuse that you have no clue what you just wrote. Your side is splitting hairs, while your heads are being chopped off…but eh, you’ll never know. I’ll just laugh at you.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Well, we know where this is all going.

verbaluce on September 27, 2012 at 11:59 AM

That’s the best you can do? That’s the best talking point that Organizing for Obama could send you out to Hot Air with?

Epic fail there.

And still, you cannot in any way actually defend the actions or the record of your hero, your sociopathic, racist, America-hating punk of a president.

Right Mover on September 27, 2012 at 12:11 PM

verbaluce on September 27, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Are you attempting to justify the murder of Ambassador Stevens?

kingsjester on September 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Recap of Dante’s assertions:

1) An attack by islamic jihadists, on the anniversary of the largest terrorist attack in our history, against our foreign consulate, with RPGs and automatic weapons is NOT a terrorist attack. It’s just an attack.

2) Calling it a terrorist attack would be playing into some nefarious government scheme to take away our liberty, even though it is the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, in this case, that wants to avoid calling it a terrorist attack.

3) Dante likes to disagree just for the sake of it.

Longing4Lincoln on September 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Yes, BC –
You’ve always ‘known’, Jim Demint has always ‘known’, Fox News has always ‘known’.
Ha.

verbaluce on September 27, 2012 at 12:05 PM

That’s all you got? Wow, disappointing.

Bitter Clinger on September 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

You may not enter HA, or a house, without permission either…oh wait, of late the cops and others can do so, under Napolitano and her hoaxy charlatanic tyrannical boss. They consider you a terrorist but they consider the Benghazi savages “extraordinary acts”.

Yeppers, the leftists love ‘nuance’.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM

And the coward continues arguing semantics, while all relevant information continues to demonstrates that, while soil may not be literally sovereign, it is sovereign for all intents and purposes.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2012 at 12:13 PM

But that’s a legal definition that creates a distinction without a difference. You can’t use the legalism to justify an attack on Americans at the embassy. “Oh, well, their deaths are just bumps in the road because it was an EMBASSY and not a US city, so here’s that sternly worded note in response”.

It was an attack on Americans, on soil Americans were authorized to be on. We’re fully justified in retaliating. Using the “it’s not US soil” is a bullshiat legal dodge to excuse inaction.

Saltyron on September 27, 2012 at 12:09 PM

No one is justifying or trying to justify the attack.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:13 PM

3) Dante likes to disagree just for the sake of it.

Longing4Lincoln on September 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Yep. He loves to play Rhetorical Hide and Seek. Then, he has a temper tantrum when he’s found out and called on it.

kingsjester on September 27, 2012 at 12:14 PM

According to the government, it is.

brut4ce on September 27, 2012 at 12:03 PM
Oh, my. From your link:

“While an embassy remains the territory of the host state, under international rules representatives of the host country may not enter an embassy without permission—even to put out a fire.”

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:08 PM

What does the next line say?…..wait for it, wait for it…..

Because an embassy represents a sovereign state, any attack on an embassy is considered an attack on the country it represents.

brut4ce on September 27, 2012 at 12:14 PM

And the coward continues arguing semantics, while all relevant information continues to demonstrates that, while soil may not be literally sovereign, it is sovereign for all intents and purposes.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Interesting 180 you just did there, admitting I was correct couched in your invective.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:15 PM

So – what has been confirmed by this thread – verbalace and dante are fine with the gov lieing to them as long as the ones doing the lieing are liberal douchebags. Got it!

VegasRick on September 27, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Because an embassy represents a sovereign state, any attack on an embassy is considered an attack on the country it represents.

brut4ce on September 27, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Do you know what the word “represents” means? Do you know the difference between the word “represents” and “is”?

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:15 PM

They are not.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 11:52 AM

I thought you were wrong, but you may be correct:

There is a common misconception that Embassies and Consulates have extraterritoriality. As anecdotal evidence of this misconception, people will often say things like, “the US Embassy sits upon United States soil.” For the most part, this is not the case as extraterritoriality is not conferred upon an Embassy or Consulate, but in some situations extraterritoriality may be created by Treaty.

Source here.

I’d be interested to see further sources on the question if anyone has any.

DarkCurrent on September 27, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Where are the Republicans? I’m tired of them biatching and doing nothing about it. MAKE this front page news. IMPEACH HIS ASS.

Saltyron on September 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM

I’ve contacted the Romney campaign, Speaker Boehner, my Congressman and my Senators. Suggest others do the same.

Flora Duh on September 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM

The FBI hasn’t secured the consulate crime scene….

The FBI is in Detroit looking for Hoffa’s corpse…Priorities being what they are.

“The FBI and local police in Michigan plan to take soil samples from the backyard of a house in the Detroit suburb of Roseville on Friday, acting on a dying man’s tip that the body of former Teamsters President Jimmy Hoffa might be buried there…”

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/26/14114267-fbi-to-look-for-jimmy-hoffas-body-at-detroit-area-hom

workingclass artist on September 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Interesting 180 you just did there, admitting I was correct couched in your invective.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Actually, thank you for making our point.

hawkdriver on September 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Interesting 180 you just did there, admitting I was correct couched in your invective.

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Interesting cowardice you show there, only responding when you can claim victory on semantics. Now you can comfortably return to whining like a b*tch when anyone infers meaning from your statements.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Way to go Senator McCain!!!!!!

Via Breitbart—Great Video!

Sen. McCain: ‘C’mon Honey, Bring Your Mortars, We’re Going To A Spontaneous Demonstration’

And the lovely Norah O’Donnell just couldn’t hardly get a word in—priceless.

Rovin on September 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Flora Duh on September 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Do you have a Tweet on the subject rolling, yet?

kingsjester on September 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Do you know what the word “represents” means? Do you know the difference between the word “represents” and “is”?

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Holy s**t. The coward is now in Bill Clinton territory.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

On the 11th anniversary of the 9/11/2001 attacks on the US, AlQuida attacked the embassy in Cairo, replaced the US flag with their black flag. They also attacked the non-secured consulate in Benghazi and killed the ambassador and 3 others, 2 SEALs.

Due to Obama and Hillary’s dereliction the 4 people are dead.

Then Obama and Hillary covered up the lack of security, the fact that these are AlQuida terrorists, sent Rice out to lie with impunity.

The FBI lingers in Tripoli, for who knows what reasons, other than the elections are coming up and any report might be damaging to Obama. It was easy for CNN to go there and retrieve Ambassador Stevens’ journal, for just one example.

The leftist plankton argue semantics.

The right doesn’t fight to expose the hoax upon the land which is Obama. Hillary has allowed her legacy et all to be destroyed.

Media, you can most all spontaneously combust for dereliction of duty.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

No mater how many mountains of lies Obama tells, if you call him a liar, you are a racist. If the thought even occurs to you, you are a closet racist.

VorDaj on September 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Do you know what the word “represents” means? Do you know the difference between the word “represents” and “is”?

Dante on September 27, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Wow, Dante is Bill Clinton. Who knew?

Bitter Clinger on September 27, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Holy s**t. The coward is now in Bill Clinton territory.

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

He might be Bill Clinton’s thingy.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:20 PM

It was first reported by CNN.

It is interesting though that you seem completely unconcerned that Obama and his administration are either liars or incompetent of some mixture of the two.

gwelf on September 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Go to both CNN’s Fox News’ homepages.
Please don’t try and claim this isn’t another example of a ‘story’ that lives almost sole on and is propelled by Fox News.

What I am not concerned with is the latest ‘outrage’ from the right that is primarily motivated by unhinged rage over Obama.
The narrative you’re buying/selling is all spin – driven by a (yet again) desperate attempt to vilify Obama’s foreign policy credentials. It’s not criticism or analysis. It’s just another political attack. This is just further residue from the deep conflict the right has suffered through following Bin Laden’s killing.

verbaluce on September 27, 2012 at 12:21 PM

No mater how many mountains of lies Obama tells, if you call him a liar, you are a racist. If the thought even occurs to you, you are a closet racist.

VorDaj on September 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

He makes teflon rich. To ask this little of the first half black president is the ultimate form of racism.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:21 PM

verbaluce on September 27, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Here, verbosity. Have a new box of Kleenex…and some cheese to go with that whine.

kingsjester on September 27, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Once again, you’re so obtuse that you have no clue what you just wrote. Your side is splitting hairs, while your heads are being chopped off…but eh, you’ll never know. I’ll just laugh at you.

Schadenfreude on September 27, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Non-answer.
Fine.

verbaluce on September 27, 2012 at 12:22 PM

verbaluce on September 27, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Are you actually arguing that the President calling an incident terrorism behind closed doors, and intentionally lying about it publicly and treating it as a result of some movie…effectively creating a public discussion on whether speech should be limited against violent religions…is all an overblown story because Fox News disagrees with your political viewpoint?

MadisonConservative on September 27, 2012 at 12:22 PM

THIS is when Romney needs to call a press conference and demand answers. Get it out there and force the MSM to be present.

BettyRuth on September 27, 2012 at 12:23 PM

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