Asking the experts: Which polls are, or aren’t, legitimate?
posted at 7:47 pm on September 27, 2012 by Allahpundit
After yesterday’s post on poll trustworthiness, I started wondering whether there’s any poll or model that’s been consistently accurate over time and therefore worth watching down the stretch as a weathervane of where the race really stands. I e-mailed two experts whom I trust and put that question to them. Is there any steady signal they trust amid the cacophony of statistical noise? Anyone we can look to as a beacon in the darkness when the NYT drops its next D+10 sample of Utah or whatever on us?
Short answer: No, there’s no one whom they count on to get it more or less right every time. Polling averages did well in 2008 and 2004 but not so well in 2000 and 1996. The first person I spoke to told me flatly that it’s not worth paying much attention to the numbers now because the assumptions being made about the composition of the electorate on November 6 differ too widely among individual pollsters to distill a truly useful average. That uncertainty is compounded by the fact that, with six weeks left until America votes, there’s still an ocean full of potential “black swans” — wonderful/terrible jobs reports, war with Iran, a new eurozone spasm, etc — that could send the trendlines fluttering. (Team Romney told Rich Lowry they think their dip in Gallup’s tracker lately is due to one such black-swan moment whose effects are already fading.) Once we get to within a week or two of election day and pollsters’ assumptions finally start to coalesce, the polling averages will become more reliable as an indicator of where the race really stands. As my own addendum to that, I think we’re close enough to the first debate that there’s no point picking through polls until late next week at the earliest. Why worry about this week’s data when there’s a hugely important event that’s bound to affect the race right around the corner?
My other source had less to say about the reliability of polling averages generally than their reliability with respect to specific candidates. He told me that if you look at historical averages, you find that they underestimated Gore in 2000, Dole in 1996, and Bush 41 in 1992 — all of them dull, somewhat stiff candidates whom their respective bases weren’t thrilled about. Why would polls miss the mark on people like that? His theory is that pollsters pay lots of attention to voter enthusiasm but less attention to whether voters say they’re “certain” to vote, and in the case of candidates who aren’t beloved by their base, those two variables don’t match up especially well. There were plenty of Republicans who weren’t enthusiastic about Bush and Dole but who were nonetheless certain to vote for them in hopes of defeating the Democrat. Ditto for Gore vis-a-vis the GOP. (Kerry and McCain were also dim lights to their bases and the polls gauged their support pretty well, but in McCain’s case he had a huge shot of enthusiasm late from adding Palin to the ticket.) He thinks the same thing could be happening this year — essentially, pollsters are keying off of the Dems’ slight edge in “enthusiasm” and missing the fact that plenty of unenthusiastic Republicans will be at the polls anyway to vote for a guy who’s taken to citing RomneyCare lately as proof of his empathy. If that’s the case, then they’re lowballing Romney’s support. And in a tight race, that’s potentially a decisive error.
See? I am capable of writing a poll post that’s not hopelessly eeyorish. Although I’d be lying if I said this wasn’t how I felt when I saw those Gallup numbers yesterday. Oof.
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And then..
There will be tens of millions of Americans that had health care..
That will have it dropped or drop it themselves due to expense.
Thanks Nancy.
Electrongod on April 25, 2013 at 8:05 PM
Surely, the poll was taken of Rush fans of 98% when most other polls are ‘more fair’ by running D45, I35, and R20.
Liam on April 25, 2013 at 8:11 PM
Pelosi and shumer can you think of a combination
That would be more evil?
Well now that I think about it reid and waxman oblamer
Wow just too much evil to list .. Sorry
I should have thought this through.
MrMoe on April 25, 2013 at 8:17 PM
So 21% of the population lives in a vacuum and has no idea who she is? These aren’t “low information voters”, these are DEAD voters.
Nancy-poo is the reason the Democrats won’t retake the House.
GarandFan on April 25, 2013 at 8:18 PM
Evil is hard to contemplate if you’re not in its fold.
Liam on April 25, 2013 at 8:19 PM
About 21% of Americans identify as liberal.
Maybe that’s why the numbers match — not even THEY want to be identified with her?
Just a snarky idea…
Liam on April 25, 2013 at 8:21 PM
Right on its just natural for them
I am disgusted at these communists
MrMoe on April 25, 2013 at 8:22 PM
Sadly America knows only a FRACTION of her political dealings.
It the TRUTH came out in toto … she would be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. She is old enough to remember those days.
Missilengr on April 25, 2013 at 8:40 PM
I don’t like, despise pelosi ried et al. They are scum
But boehner, rubio, et al; they are supposed to be on our side.
davidk on April 25, 2013 at 8:44 PM
If you don’t want Nancy Pelosi to become Speaker of the House again, make sure you have a strong Republican candidate running for Congress in your district in 2014.
Pelosi’s district in San Francisco is almost certain to re-elect her to Congress in 2014.
In 2012, Pelosi got 253,709 votes to win re-election with 85.08% of the vote.http://sfelections.org/results/20121106/index.php
Nancy Pelosi may not be liked in 99.9% of the country, but San Francisco voters evidently love her. San Francisco is unique in so many ways.
wren on April 25, 2013 at 8:49 PM
Pelosi is human trash and if not for our completely dysfunctional political system she would be playing the part of an aging scorned wife, downing handfuls of Valium while her husband was out with his mistress.
Bishop on April 25, 2013 at 8:58 PM
Pelosi is human trash and if not for our completely dysfunctional political system she would be playing the part of an aging scorned wife, downing handfuls of Va1ium while her husband was out with his mistress.
Bishop on April 25, 2013 at 8:59 PM
Val.ium? Really? The filter hits on Val.ium?
Time to catch up with the rest of the world, HotGas, and maybe update your system, what a joke.
Bishop on April 25, 2013 at 9:00 PM
Well known, least liked–I can think of someone else who fits the bill.
hillsoftx on April 25, 2013 at 9:04 PM
Did they mention Nanzi could scare Nosferatu?
viking01 on April 25, 2013 at 9:04 PM
Scumhag on a broom!!!
Schadenfreude on April 25, 2013 at 9:38 PM
Only a district full of sodomites could elect such a despicable reprobate.
tom daschle concerned on April 25, 2013 at 9:41 PM
Welcome to Chicago, buddy.
Lanceman on April 25, 2013 at 10:27 PM
ditto
Plastic surgery addict moron. Replaced her brains with a silicon boob on her 1998 surgery. Gave brain to McCain.
pat on April 26, 2013 at 2:13 AM
Let me deliver the ultimate insult to Pelosi that I know will get under her skin.
If FDR himself was still alive, if he shook hands with Pelosi,he would immediately be washing them afterwards with scalding hot water and then applying half a bottle of hand sanitizer to them, because even HE would consider her that loathsome!
Have a nice day, SanFranNan!
pilamaye on April 26, 2013 at 5:46 AM
My idea of eternal damnation would be to spend all eternity listening to this creature blather on about her views on politics, communism and evil republicans.
acyl72 on April 26, 2013 at 7:09 AM
Do these people ever look any further than the tip of their noses? Libs are jumping up and down that an expansion of Medicaid will give another 70,000 access to health care in our state, but do not consider that we don’t have enough doctors to go around. Remember, ‘if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor’, well, you can if you can get an appointment when you need one.
Kissmygrits on April 26, 2013 at 9:47 AM
Pelosi really needs to be put out to pasture. She has an insane frame of mind in keeping this country strong. ObamaCare is a law that will criple American in a horrible way. Why isn’t Congress in this plan?
karlinsync on April 26, 2013 at 10:07 AM
Anything is possible in this great country.
The truly amazing phenomenon is how is it that someone who is so vacuous of fundamental knowledge and intelligence get to be FOURTH in line to be POTUS.
The baton is passed from VP then Secretary of State then Speaker of the House as I recall.
I’ll blame the Manure Stream Media for this and other recent atrocious situations. They’ve completely abandoned their fundamental purpose as journalists.
A friend in the circle of academe (local University) says they teach ‘advocacy journalism’ these days.
Curious, I always thought that was the arena of Used Car Salespersons?
Missilengr on April 26, 2013 at 7:07 PM