Obama on “The View”: The world should ignore that Mohammed movie that my administration’s been talking about for two weeks
posted at 8:41 pm on September 25, 2012 by Allahpundit
Via the Standard, a fine idea that I would take more seriously if he had mentioned it before the movie was condemned by the Cairo embassy, blamed for the Benghazi attack by Susan Rice, apologized for by the State Department via TV ads in Pakistan, and then discussed at length by The One himself in his UN speech today. Scrambling to denounce the film the way the administration did made it that much more lucrative a pretext for Islamists to exploit; the U.S. government can’t ban the film, but attack an embassy or two and by golly they’ll fall all over themselves to reassure you that it’s a wicked, awful, evil piece of expression. Matt Welch is one of the many free-speech fans who’s had enough:
Why this video, and not Theo Van Gogh’s Submission, or Lars Vilks’ animation of Mohammed wanting to go to a gay bar, the “Super Best Friends” episode of South Park, or Funny or Die’s “How to Pick a Pocket”? Is it the degree of the insult, the craptasticness of the production values, the size of the release, or the vociferousness of the outrage expressed?
Given the track record of our past two administrations, I think we know the answer to that question, which suggests another thing terrible about this sentence: As Eugene Volokh recently pointed out, “Behavior that gets rewarded, gets repeated.” If all it takes to earn a White House call for global condemnation of a single piece of expression is some violent protests outside a dozen or two diplomatic missions, then the perpetually aggrieved know exactly what to do the next time they pluck out some bit of cultural detritus to be offended by.
It is not any politician’s job, and certainly not any American politician’s job, to instruct the entire world on which films to criticize.
Are we sure about that? Over at Slate, law prof(!) Eric Posner weighs the old liberal cardinal virtue of free speech against the new liberal cardinal virtue of multiculturalism. Guess which is heavier:
But there is another possible response. This is that Americans need to learn that the rest of the world—and not just Muslims—see no sense in the First Amendment. Even other Western nations take a more circumspect position on freedom of expression than we do, realizing that often free speech must yield to other values and the need for order. Our own history suggests that they might have a point…
Meanwhile, some liberals began to have second thoughts. They supported enactment of hate-crime laws that raised criminal penalties for people who commit crimes against minorities because of racist or other invidious motives. They agreed that hate speech directed at women in the workplace could be the basis of sexual harassment claims against employers as well. However, the old First Amendment victories in the Supreme Court continued to play an important role in progressive mythology. For the left, the amendment today is like a dear old uncle who enacted heroic deeds in his youth but on occasion says embarrassing things about taboo subjects in his decline.
We have to remember that our First Amendment values are not universal; they emerged contingently from our own political history, a set of cobbled-together compromises among political and ideological factions responding to localized events. As often happens, what starts out as a grudging political settlement has become, when challenged from abroad, a dogmatic principle to be imposed universally. Suddenly, the disparagement of other people and their beliefs is not an unfortunate fact but a positive good. It contributes to the “marketplace of ideas,” as though we would seriously admit that Nazis or terrorist fanatics might turn out to be right after all. Salman Rushdie recently claimed that bad ideas, “like vampires … die in the sunlight” rather than persist in a glamorized underground existence. But bad ideas never die: They are zombies, not vampires. Bad ideas like fascism, Communism, and white supremacy have roamed the countryside of many an open society.
The positive good isn’t the disparagement of other people’s beliefs, it’s the freedom to “disparage,” a.k.a. criticize, those beliefs without fear of being locked up by the sensitivity police. Savor the irony of this guy hinting that we should go ahead and criminalize some especially dangerous retrograde ideas while he and a few select others on the left are busy reviving the idea of blasphemy laws to appease violent Islamist fanatics. I’m not sure how closely fascist regimes in the Middle East follow left/right debates in America, but if they do, they have every incentive to burn more buildings and kill more ambassadors in the name of avenging insults to the faith. There’s a small but apparently growing movement on one side of the aisle here that’s ready to hear them out and rebalance free-speech principles against, in Posner’s creepy phrase, “the need for order.”
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How about we just ignore Obama instead, especially at the voting booth.
natasha333 on September 25, 2012 at 8:43 PM
How about ignoring President Eye Candy..
He is dangerous..
Electrongod on September 25, 2012 at 8:44 PM
THIS
Electrongod on September 25, 2012 at 8:44 PM
How about we just ignore Obama instead — especially at the voting booth.
natasha333 on September 25, 2012 at 8:44 PM
Ignore it very closely.
Go RBNY on September 25, 2012 at 8:45 PM
0dumbo never does shut up.
Sasha List on September 25, 2012 at 8:45 PM
Oops, sorry for the double post.
natasha333 on September 25, 2012 at 8:45 PM
THIS
Again…:)
Electrongod on September 25, 2012 at 8:45 PM
Beyond belief. The marxist runs his mouth about the movie for two weeks then says forget about it to the world. This guy is going to get more Americans killed. He is the clear danger to our country more than the movie eve3r was.
bgibbs1000 on September 25, 2012 at 8:46 PM
No one has done more to publicize it then Obama.
Ben Hur on September 25, 2012 at 8:46 PM
Maybe later we will have big fun with moose & squirrel.
Lanceman on September 25, 2012 at 8:46 PM
Some things are worth repeating.
malclave on September 25, 2012 at 8:47 PM
If Romney doesn’t say something now then he is trying to lose the election.
bgibbs1000 on September 25, 2012 at 8:47 PM
Similar words have been expressed by tyrants through history, “You need to be controlled so that order can be maintained”.
Bishop on September 25, 2012 at 8:47 PM
This man is the most dangerous to reside in the White House ever…
He is not that smart but his entire life experience has perfected his anti-American ideology.
d1carter on September 25, 2012 at 8:48 PM
Agree 100%.
Might teach Obama the true meaning of marginalizing.
Deserves to be said twice…if not more often.
coldwarrior on September 25, 2012 at 8:48 PM
I refuse to waste time watching President Eye Candy anymore. He says NOTHING of value.
PrincipleStand on September 25, 2012 at 8:48 PM
Obama today at the UN:
You got that, America? Free speech is an insult to you! (Now forget I ever mentioned that crude and disgusting video.)
de rigueur on September 25, 2012 at 8:51 PM
Sorry I didn’t see what see said.
I’m far too busy ignoring Obummer.
OTTO on September 25, 2012 at 8:52 PM
Someone told him to shut up about it because he is acting as the Chief advertising agent of this movie… This is the most incompetent man to ever become President… If you go to the street you can pick 80 out of 100 people who can do better job at being President than he does… Folks, we have no other choice, on November 6 2012 let us go and vote in numbers that have never seen before to defeat the incompetent communist fool…
mnjg on September 25, 2012 at 8:52 PM
If only it were that simple. There are so many mesmerized morons.
Curtiss on September 25, 2012 at 8:53 PM
Mr. Teflon gets away with blood on his hands, and all other.
Schadenfreude on September 25, 2012 at 8:53 PM
Hands off the 1st Amendment. Ban violent Muslim extremists and then ban Barry.
Slainte on September 25, 2012 at 8:54 PM
Oh for the love of God, hasn’t anyone here actually seen the “Movie” in question? If anyone should genuinely be offended by “The Innocence of Muslims” it should be Monty Pythons Graham Chapman and John Cleese, since “The Innocence of Muslims” is a poorly done
parodyRip-off of Monty Pythons “The Life of Brian”.SWalker on September 25, 2012 at 8:54 PM
Mr. This and That, then and now.
Same BS, different venue/year.
Schadenfreude on September 25, 2012 at 8:54 PM
It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.
– Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
OTTO on September 25, 2012 at 8:55 PM
Jordan is next.
Obama’s Arab ‘Spring’, in full bloom.
Schadenfreude on September 25, 2012 at 8:55 PM
I approve!
Peace in our time!
~Zombie Neville Chamberlain
Joe Mama on September 25, 2012 at 8:56 PM
OT: Seattle Seahawks – Green Bay Packers – Blown Call? Not So Fast ESPN … and Obama
Obama: “ESPN acted stupidly”
faraway on September 25, 2012 at 8:56 PM
And how often are the very words of dictators and tyrants ignored before they become fully empowered and begin their deadly paths of destruction?
Obama and others fail to understand that free speech means free speech.
And yes, with free speech comes personal responseiblity on the part of the speaker. That is it. If people think one is a jerk because of what a person says…well…so what?
But to suppress free speech in order to placate a group or other government or people?
No government, nor some “enlightened progressive” out to “save us from ourselves” nor anyone else shall come between free people freely expressing in freedom their free thoughts, ideas and beliefs.
One of the most dangerous things Obama said at the UN was:
That, my friend, is a very scary notion coming from the lips of the President of the United States, charged, lawfully, to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.
coldwarrior on September 25, 2012 at 8:56 PM
Jornolists. Evil , everyone of them.
the_nile on September 25, 2012 at 8:57 PM
I just want one blog, or one news organization to break the news that the Obama shills were the first ones to suggest it was the movie that caused this as a cover for the planned terrorist attack in Benghazi. Just one. And I want to know which one(shill) it was.
canditaylor68 on September 25, 2012 at 8:58 PM
Send the Naked Madonna to the ME…
Electrongod on September 25, 2012 at 8:59 PM
I have a strong feeling that those who would subvert the 1st Amendment would only do so IF THEY ARE THE ARBITERS of what constitutes a ‘violation’.
How convenient.
GarandFan on September 25, 2012 at 8:59 PM
Seriously….this is why I don’t understand what is going on. Between this and this….I’m seriously going to stop following the elections because I don’t think I can’t handle watching this incompetent idiot anymore!!!
Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 25, 2012 at 8:59 PM
As Ace wrote, where are the interjections of ‘polite speech needs no defense’?
It’s hard to think that there are any principles of leftism at all.
What is stridently demanded one day by the Left, is found wanting the next.
chimney sweep on September 25, 2012 at 9:00 PM
How about ignoring President Eye Candy..
I promise to ignore him after Nov 6th. Until then he’s my favorite plaything:
Obama thinks he’s “eye candy” for you guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNc7B7JWNK8
to the tune of Lollipop, Lollipop….
No Niks on September 25, 2012 at 9:01 PM
Posner has turned into a nutcase over the past few years.
ninjapirate on September 25, 2012 at 9:01 PM
Brilliant!
She needs a Holiday.
Curtiss on September 25, 2012 at 9:02 PM
Whoops, this is the son and not the father… still applies.
ninjapirate on September 25, 2012 at 9:02 PM
Strategy followed by Hot Air in dealing with Romney’s brilliant speech today.
Basilsbest on September 25, 2012 at 9:02 PM
Just because you didn’t hear something – or bother to look for it – doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.
Flora Duh on September 25, 2012 at 9:03 PM
There was a series of 3 blown calls on the drive that royally screwed over Green Bay.
ninjapirate on September 25, 2012 at 9:03 PM
My wild guess? He’ll close speech down, the crisis is opportunity meme, and the internet will be first, because rioters and terrorists need to be controlled. This he’ll say, is the cost of freedom, and his followers will nod–their souls already vacant.
i stand amazed at my friends and relatives that have been totally duped by this man, but then, this is the Northeast.
Don L on September 25, 2012 at 9:04 PM
who cares what others think?
unstinkingbelievable
cmsinaz on September 25, 2012 at 9:05 PM
Did he ignore the nose candy that was backstage?
SouthernGent on September 25, 2012 at 9:06 PM
+1000
JPeterman on September 25, 2012 at 9:06 PM
Same could be said about Obama..
Electrongod on September 25, 2012 at 9:06 PM
I can not stand this man…
BTW, this is OT but Mike Rowe is campaigning with Romney. Mike Rowe is a good guy.
Terrye on September 25, 2012 at 9:08 PM
If Romney doesn’t say something now then he is trying to lose the election.
bgibbs1000 on September 25, 2012 at 8:47 PM
Actually, he had quite a lot to say today in NYC at the Clinton Global Initiative Conference– not that you’ll ever hear anything about it from the national media:
h/t Latinos Post… NOT the Times, the Post, CNN, CBS, NBC or ABC…
de rigueur on September 25, 2012 at 9:09 PM
The government should make it a crime to criticize conservatives, the Tea Party, and Republicans.
If someone dares to criticize any of those protected groups and the government doesn’t react in the manner the protected groups agree with, it is permissible to punish the offender by mob standards. I’m looking at you, Chris Matthews. Nancy Pelosi.
Also, a crime to criticize Christians and Christianity. Death be the penalty. Anywhere in the world.
jaime on September 25, 2012 at 9:10 PM
And they see even less in the Second.
Joe Mama on September 25, 2012 at 9:10 PM
I’m talking about what the marxist said today at the UN. What he said today can get Americans killed and Romney needs to call him on it.
bgibbs1000 on September 25, 2012 at 9:10 PM
That works for me.
gophergirl on September 25, 2012 at 9:10 PM
BBC news continues with the film was the problem meme without hesitation…
cmsinaz on September 25, 2012 at 9:12 PM
The tweet was later deleted.
Flora Duh on September 25, 2012 at 9:12 PM
tru dat
cmsinaz on September 25, 2012 at 9:13 PM
Hell, I like your concept. Let’s try it out.
I’ll stand out in front of your office and toss Molotov cocktails through the windows if you stop expressing your dumba$$ ideas.
I mean, after all, I’m offended.
BacaDog on September 25, 2012 at 9:14 PM
He doesn’t get it. Not the First amendment and surely not the Second amendment. Ok none of the first 10.
jaywemm on September 25, 2012 at 9:14 PM
Did you read what Rowe wrote to Romney – it was brilliant.
gophergirl on September 25, 2012 at 9:14 PM
Your concern has been duly noted, please return to your master for reimbursement.
SWalker on September 25, 2012 at 9:15 PM
NAKED MADONNA on NOVEMBER 7th!!!!
That alone should scare the bahjeebees out of Independents!!!
Talk about a View???
PappyD61 on September 25, 2012 at 9:16 PM
There is a fundamental difference between Romney and Dear Leader…and if for no other reason I will vote for Romney. I am tired of having a POTUS that does not believe in America…
The damage Obama has done in four years will take decades to overcome. Let’s start now.
d1carter on September 25, 2012 at 9:18 PM
Romney’s good to go jugular on this, and I hope he does at the debates, too, but he’s got to quit calling the Benghazi thing a “terrorist attack”. It was a planned and targeted assassination of a US ambassador, pure and simple, carried out by forces also known for their involvement in terrorism. But that does not make it a “terrorist attack”.
It’s not a parsing of words to understand that “terrorist attacks” are those aimed at innocent civilians to create fear and chaos among the populace of your much stronger enemy (in this case, America). And, here, I wouldn’t be surprised at all that Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood knew the ambassador was going to be in Benghazi on 9/11 and let the word go down to the AQ assassins and the Libyan “troops” protecting the consulate to stand down.
In the meantime, President Kardashian addresses the UN and again blames it all on a months-old video critical of the “prophet” of the religion of peace. Dis-f**king-gusting!!!
TXUS on September 25, 2012 at 9:21 PM
He wants to nurture any excuse to silence critical voices.
the_nile on September 25, 2012 at 9:21 PM
I’m thinking that it will be in the Quote of the Day.
esr1951 on September 25, 2012 at 9:22 PM
A utube video. To save the ego of one man. Irrespective in a time of great peril that such a weakness could lead to worldwide conflaguration. And for the most part our other instruments of Governance are silent. Where is Congress?
WWIII approaches rapidly and they allow this buffoon to stagger on.
wolly4321 on September 25, 2012 at 9:24 PM
Only if Allah’s cat write the QOTD…
SWalker on September 25, 2012 at 9:24 PM
And sadly, not Hot Air.
Basilsbest on September 25, 2012 at 9:25 PM
The tongue of a snake.
bazil9 on September 25, 2012 at 9:25 PM
Wait for another post or qotd squid.
bazil9 on September 25, 2012 at 9:29 PM
Who cares, I certainly don’t. Leave the First Amendment alone. If you don’t like ours make your own.
chemman on September 25, 2012 at 9:31 PM
I’m with you.
Maybe instead of “a terrorist attack,” Romney could call it “an attack by terrorists,” which would be somewhat stronger than “an attack by forces also known for their involvement in terrorism.” Or just cut to the chase and call it “an attack by assassins,” a not unfair allusion to an old Ismaili institution anyway.
de rigueur on September 25, 2012 at 9:33 PM
That would be an off-the-charts violation of the Geneva Conventions. See the sections on “weapons of mass destruction” and “weapons designed to inflict unnecessary cruelty”.
SubmarineDoc on September 25, 2012 at 9:37 PM
The Piss Christ exhibit is taking place at the Brooklyn Museum this Thursday.
The Brooklyn Museum is located in the northern part of Brooklyn, which is home to some of the most Left wing, pretentious, hipster neighborhoods like Park Slope and Williamsburg. These neighborhoods were run down and dangerous for many years, and home to large Black and Hispanic populations. Little by little, starving White
art students started moving in, who were followed by more successful Left wing professionals, and finally, yuppies who fancy themselves as hipsters. And as all these White Left wingers and Liberals started flooding into these neighborhoods, the Blacks and Hispanics got driven out due to sky rocketing rents.
While I don’t advocate violence, it would sure be interesting to see the reaction of Obama, the Democrats, and the Left if religious Christians caused a considerable disturbance to protest this exhibit.
ardenenoch on September 25, 2012 at 9:48 PM
PackerBronco on September 25, 2012 at 10:19 PM
…such a good piece…and 77 comments?
the hypocrisy doesn’t shock anybody anymore…people are numb!
KOOLAID2 on September 26, 2012 at 12:02 AM
Obama lied about the video to distract from his failure and because of his lies people and property were destroyed.
Obama is a terrible President.
albill on September 26, 2012 at 6:18 AM
This man-child prez,
says ‘its the film” that caused all this unrest.
i’m thinking your victory laps at the DNC just might have had something to do with it, im just sayin.
then, every single time you or one of your cronnies open your mouth you blame someone else, NO SHOCKER THERE.
Hey Mr. Prez, it’s YOUR fault.
mmcnamer1 on September 26, 2012 at 7:09 AM
I wish someone would ask Obama what in this low budget B movie was so offensive to him? What was the most offensive part??
Dollayo on September 26, 2012 at 7:29 AM
Congratulations, Eric Posner. You and your ilk have become the man you loathed above all others – Richard Nixon.
jangle12 on September 26, 2012 at 8:02 AM