NFL: We stand by the terrible, terrible call at the end of that Packers/Seahawks game

posted at 4:41 pm on September 25, 2012 by Allahpundit

So terrible was it that bookies are feeling moral qualms about collecting from Green Bay bettors. So terrible was it that even Scott Walker is pro-union this morning. So terrible was it that Jay Carney is denouncing it in strident terms usually reserved for horrors like YouTube videos that criticize Mohammed.

The punchline? The league now admits that the replacement refs blew the call. Not the call on the interception — which was also blown, make no mistake — but the call on Golden Tate’s obvious offensive pass interference in the end zone, which the league acknowledges should have ended the game. Help me figure this out, then. The NFL has two options: Stand by its replacement refs by going full Orwell and insisting that they got everything right, or stand with the fans by admitting that the call was blown and award Green Bay the victory. Because the key call came on the final play, this is a rare case where you can definitively say that the outcome of the game would have been different had the proper call been made. In which case, what’s the argument for letting the Seahawks keep the win?

While the ball is in the air, Tate can be seen shoving Green Bay cornerback Sam Shields to the ground. This should have been a penalty for offensive pass interference, which would have ended the game. It was not called and is not reviewable in instant replay.

When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball. Under the rule for simultaneous catch, the ball belongs to Tate, the offensive player. The result of the play was a touchdown.

Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone.

Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review.

If the pass interference call’s not reviewable, why bother to publicly second-guess it the way they did here? Just say, “We take no position on whether Tate pushed off. It’s in the discretion of the field officials.” They’ve somehow found the worst of both worlds, cutting their own guys off at the knees by acknowledging that blew the game and giving the fans no satisfaction by refusing to reverse the result.

One of the professional refs currently on strike e-mailed BuzzFeed to reassure them that, yes, the replacements ruined everything last night:

“I’m not very forgiving about officials who know they don’t know the rules and know they aren’t qualified to be working at that level. They have embarrassed themselves and officials at all levels in all sports. If there is one overriding ingredient of an official it is ‘integrity.’ They showed no integrity whatsoever by taking a job they knew they weren’t even close to being qualified to do. And they continue to go out there each week and prove it all over again. My advice to them is to look in the mirror and admit to themselves they aren’t capable of doing this job. No one has forced them to go out there. They took a job that they knew they weren’t qualified for. I have no sympathy for that. That is the antithesis of integrity.”

There’s a fledgling boycott afoot on Facebook, which surely won’t do much nationally — although I am suddenly curious to see what the TV ratings are like in Green Bay for the next Packers game. Here’s the VP nominee, a Wisconsin native of course, making hay on the trail today by needling another guy who’s not good at his job. Exit question: This story is a joke, right? The NFL replacement refs weren’t actually unqualified for … the Lingerie Football League, were they?


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Has there ever been a case in professional sports where an errant official call which changed the outcome of a game was later reversed?

There have been bad calls which changed the outcome of baseball, basketball, and yes NFL games with “real refs” on any number of occasions, NONE of which have been reversed. It doesn’t happen.

Do the replacement refs suck? Yep! Did the replacement players from the strike season a few years back suck? Yep – but they didn’t wipe out the results when the real players returned.

It’s a freakin’ game. Get over yourselves.

Adjoran on September 25, 2012 at 6:00 PM

I hope the creators of Madden13 create an expansion pack that allows you to play the season with the replacement refs.
Mike Honcho on September 25, 2012 at 5:44 PM

+ 1

NebCon on September 25, 2012 at 6:01 PM

I’ve seen kids playing ball in a sandlot settle a call more fairly than that between themselves with no referee at all.

It takes all of the fun out of the game to see such an awful, and obvious, bad call allowed to stand.

thatsafactjack on September 25, 2012 at 6:01 PM

ESPN has gone with this all day. They’ve shown every angle from every camera, motion and still. Not one person on any program has called it anything other than an interception. The Seahawks benefited from a bad call- it happens.

But the people here saying it wasn’t a horrible call, and those that are trying to rationalize it with mention of past bad calls, well… you beclown thyself.

M240H on September 25, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Dear Roger:

I dislike hypocrisy at any level. I really dislike hypocrisy when it is crammed down my throat as some form of moralism. So I’ll start by quoting . . . you:

“We are all accountable and responsible for player health and safety and the integrity of the game,” Commissioner Goodell said. “We will not tolerate conduct or a culture that undermines those priorities. No one is above the game or the rules that govern it. Respect for the game and the people who participate in it will not be compromised.” NFL Communications, March 21, 2012

If only your actions (and to be fair, those of the owners) followed your lofty (but highly hypocritical) words!

Let’s take some of your points one at a time:

Player Health and Safety – Let’s see . . . Week 3 we have a torn ear, a player whose neck was almost broken, and, I think every fan has seen some sort of late hit, spearing, or other potentially injurious act go unpunished. Time. After Time. After Time.

Do you still want me to believe that your fining of coaches and players for being upset about clear rule violations is even remotely tied to the health and safey of players?

Integrity of the Game – “Roll tape . . ..”

Today’s pages (everywhere) are filled with examples of the laughstock you are making the NFL into.

No one is above the game or the rules that govern it – Wow! Now I feel like you work for the White House, trying to blame a video for what everyone knows is a policy failure.

To talk about the rules, you first need people on the field that (a) know them, (b) can recognize the violation of them in real-time, (c) have the courage to enforce them, and (d) the integrity to reverse themselves when they are clearly wrong. You cannot talk about the integrity of the “rules” being enforced on the field when it’s clear to everyone that it’s not the rules, but your posturing and image that are being protected.

Respect for the game and the people who participate in it will not be compromised – Nice words, Roger, when you think you’re preaching from the moral high ground, but they make you out to be a hypocrite. You are preachy when you think you have a big stick and can act without opposition (sort of like China), but appear completely inept at dealing with people when they have the ability to say “No.”

Roger, please don’t get me wrong, I’m no fan of unions (or zebras, for that matter). But in all candor, isn’t it the NFL structure that forces the players and referees to collectively bargain with the League?

So let me ask, do YOU have what it takes to lead? Or are you just another tailor-suited hypocrite whose words cannot be trusted.

EB

EdmundBurke247 on September 25, 2012 at 6:05 PM

although I am suddenly curious to see what the TV ratings are like in Green Bay for the next Packers game.

They’ll be great, of course. Who Dats don’t bail at the first sign of adversity. I hear GB has somewhat dependable fans, too.

GOODELL MUST GEAUX!

Christien on September 25, 2012 at 6:05 PM

So terrible was it that even Scott Walker is pro-union this morning

Please don’t feed the left’s meme that what Walker said was pro-union, it was only anti-bad calls.

Common Sense on September 25, 2012 at 6:09 PM

I knew I could count on Seahawks fans to demand that the NFL make this right after the NFL stole a SB from them.
/

Heh.

CW on September 25, 2012 at 6:10 PM

My only question for the Green Bay defenders would be: why are you trying to catch an interception on a fourth-down play with no time remaining, anyway? Instead of playing jump ball with the receivers, wouldn’t it be better to just bat it away, knock it down, and end the game?

That notwithstanding, it was a terrible, awful, very bad, no good call by the replacement refs. These guys are a disaster.

Hayabusa on September 25, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Whenever you leave the game up to the officials you have a good chance to walk away disappointed.

phadedjaded on September 25, 2012 at 4:48 PM

While I think the refs and replay officials screwed the pooch on the “Inaccurate Reception” (and the refs alone on the OPI non-call), the NFL had no real choice but to uphold both calls, given the status of union negotiations. (And, I’m certainly no Packers fan.)

However, the NFL deserves considerable blame for the way they prepared, or failed to prepare, for the negotiations to begin with. The league should’ve selected and begun training all the replacement officials starting a year ago, an act which itself would’ve put it in a position of strength against the union in the negotiations and would’ve helped avoid many of these errant calls we’re seeing today, should the negotiations prove unfruitful.

TXUS on September 25, 2012 at 6:13 PM

They both had possession so it goes to the offense. The defensive guy didn’t even need possession but he wanted an interception on his stats. That is what lost it for Green Bay. He should have used his grasp on the football to ensure the play was made incomplete, but he chose dual possession.

I’m really curious about this claim that there was offensive pass interference because it looks to me like the defensive guy was between the receiver and the football. Are you saying a receiver can’t go for the football if a defensive player is standing flat footed right in his way?

Buddahpundit on September 25, 2012 at 6:17 PM

although I am suddenly curious to see what the TV ratings are like in Green Bay for the next Packers game.

They’ll be great, of course. Who Dats don’t bail at the first sign of adversity. I hear GB has somewhat dependable fans, too.

GOODELL MUST GEAUX!

Christien on September 25, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Yesterday Sports Illustrated’s Peter King wrote that if this season goes as badly for the Saints as it’s been going so far, Goodell won’t even be able to leave his hotel in NOLA during Super Bowl Week.

Del Dolemonte on September 25, 2012 at 6:18 PM

BHO feels that the disintegration of the NFL replacement refs is more important than the collapse of American foreign policy and the economy.

vilebody on September 25, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Goodell should suspend himself for the remainder of the season. Barring that, no private establishment in NOLA should serve him. Maybe Sean Payton can have him over for Super Bowl Sunday.

Christien on September 25, 2012 at 6:22 PM

My only question for the Green Bay defenders would be: why are you trying to catch an interception on a fourth-down play with no time remaining, anyway?

Hayabusa on September 25, 2012 at 6:11 PM

In fact, an official would have to assume that the Green Bay player didn’t make the ball incomplete because he couldn’t, which proves the Seattle player’s possession ( or dual possession ) of the ball.

Buddahpundit on September 25, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Too bad Fred Rogan’s Hall of Shame isn’t around for this.

Christien on September 25, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Del Dolemonte on September 25, 2012 at 6:18 PM

That’s awesome. Hope no one puts a bounty on Rog. Sean Payton should greet him at MSY and tell him, “DO YOUR JOB!”

Christien on September 25, 2012 at 6:27 PM

But the people here saying it wasn’t a horrible call, and those that are trying to rationalize it with mention of past bad calls, well… you beclown thyself.

M240H on September 25, 2012 at 6:01 PM

You union hacks are coming out of the woodwork today. You missed this.

Make no mistake, the pro-union folks at ESPN are howling over this. Let them howl.

faraway on September 25, 2012 at 6:30 PM

In fact, … blah, blah, blah …

Buddahpundit on September 25, 2012 at 6:23 PM

For the third tome, ESPN has run this all day long. Every camera, every angle. Not one person there says anything but interception and blown call. Every camera recording reinforces that. You are completely alone in your assessment because you are completely wrong.

M240H on September 25, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Has there ever been a case in professional sports where an errant official call which changed the outcome of a game was later reversed?

There have been bad calls which changed the outcome of baseball, basketball, and yes NFL games with “real refs” on any number of occasions, NONE of which have been reversed. It doesn’t happen.

Adjoran on September 25, 2012 at 6:00 PM

None have been reversed to my knowledge.

However, there have been instances where the officials were “punished” for their bad calls. The one I lived thru for example.

In 1976 NFL ref Ben Dreith made a horrible call in an AFC playoff game in Oakland. The call went against the New England Patriots, who were well on their way to winning the game.

Dreith was later forbidden by the NFL from working any Patriots games-for 11 full seasons. Now to him, that may or may not have been “punishment”, but to the Patriots it was an admission from the NFL that he had in fact blown the call, and blown it badly.

Del Dolemonte on September 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Gosh are we sports-conservatives supporting union power against management? Tsk, tsk.?

Don L on September 25, 2012 at 6:35 PM

faraway on September 25, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Yeah.. I’m pro-union. R-r-r-r-r-i-i-i-ight. Damn my lying eyes and forty different cameras.

M240H on September 25, 2012 at 6:35 PM

And in that screenshot Tate’s right hand isn’t even on the ball.

M240H on September 25, 2012 at 6:38 PM

faraway on September 25, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Romney helped save the SLC Olympics. How awesome would it be if he saved the NFL, too.

Christien on September 25, 2012 at 6:40 PM

For the third tome, ESPN has run this all day long. Every camera, every angle. Not one person there says anything but interception and blown call. Every camera recording reinforces that. You are completely alone in your assessment because you are completely wrong.

M240H on September 25, 2012 at 6:32 PM

I notice you couldn’t respond to what I wrote so you actually changed my words in the quote field. Kind of pointless to have a quote feature if people are going to change the words therein.

Buddahpundit on September 25, 2012 at 6:43 PM

If anything the rules should be changed to eject any team Wisconsin-based team from the NFL.

Bishop on September 25, 2012 at 4:59 PM

You misspelled “Minnesota”.

Steve Eggleston on September 25, 2012 at 6:43 PM

And in that screenshot Tate’s right hand isn’t even on the ball.

M240H on September 25, 2012 at 6:38 PM

What about this one? Come on man.

faraway on September 25, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Has there ever been a case in professional sports where an errant official call which changed the outcome of a game was later reversed?

Adjoran on September 25, 2012 at 6:00 PM

I posted this on Page 1 of the thread, but here’s the Wikipedia link to the George Brett Pine Tar game where the final call was changed by the league office in New York, negating the ump’s out call for Brett’s illegal bat and allowing his two-run homer off Goose Gossage to count.

They finished the game at Yankee Stadium 25 days after it started, and the Royals held on for the victory. So what was the final out of the game now wasn’t and the team that won on July 24 lost on August 18. Nothing like that’s happened in 29 years, but a winning team in U.S. pro sports has seen their on-field victory reversed under protest.

jon1979 on September 25, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Saints get their first win of the season:

“Ironic that our league punishes those based on conduct detrimental. Whose CONDUCT is DETRIMENTAL now?”

~Drew Brees via Twitter

Christien on September 25, 2012 at 6:49 PM

They both had possession so it goes to the offense. The defensive guy didn’t even need possession but he wanted an interception on his stats. That is what lost it for Green Bay. He should have used his grasp on the football to ensure the play was made incomplete, but he chose dual possession.

I’m really curious about this claim that there was offensive pass interference because it looks to me like the defensive guy was between the receiver and the football. Are you saying a receiver can’t go for the football if a defensive player is standing flat footed right in his way?

Buddahpundit on September 25, 2012 at 6:17 PM

You really need to go back to peewee flag football. I won’t even waste my time ….

RockyJ. on September 25, 2012 at 7:03 PM

<blockquote.One of the professional refs currently on strike e-mailed BuzzFeed to reassure them that, yes, the replacements ruined everything last night:
If you believe a union crew, had they been out there, would have called the play any differently, I have a bridge to sell you. The ONLY reason that anonymous ref said what he said is it benefits him and his union to say it.

Steve Eggleston on September 25, 2012 at 7:08 PM

You really need to go back to peewee flag football. I won’t even waste my time ….

RockyJ. on September 25, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Are you saying that forcing an incompletion wasn’t what the defense was supposed to do on that play?

Buddahpundit on September 25, 2012 at 7:08 PM

What about this one? Come on man.

faraway on September 25, 2012 at 6:44 PM

You’re kidding, right? Left hand between the ball and Jennings’ chest and the right hand in the crook of Nennings’ right elbow. I’ve watched this from three different angles at least six times each today. And I’ve seen at least twenty different still shots from sideline photographers.

It was a horrible call. It happens… with even the best of refs. But quit trying to say it was anything but that.

M240H on September 25, 2012 at 7:10 PM

I’m really curious about this claim that there was offensive pass interference because it looks to me like the defensive guy was between the receiver and the football. Are you saying a receiver can’t go for the football if a defensive player is standing flat footed right in his way?

Buddahpundit on September 25, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Do you watch any pro football? Do you know anything about pro football? Apparently not. But to answer your question, you can’t push a defensive player away from the ball like Tate did. It’s called Offensive Pass Interference.

Are you a Bears fan, or a Seahawks fan?

asc85 on September 25, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Voter from WA State on September 25, 2012 at 7:01 PM

What are you, twelve? I don’t care about your emotional trauma and I don’t dislike the Seahawks. We’re talking about ONE call. It happened last night. It doesn’t matter who made the call; it only matters that is was a bad call after way too many others this season. And it is making the NFL not worth watching.

That is my only assertion regarding this matter.

M240H on September 25, 2012 at 7:17 PM

As a Seahawk fan, that is what the defensive player should have done. That is what they are taught. He should have bat the ball to the ground. Especially with a Hail Mary.

Voter from WA State on September 25, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Right, and you’d have to assume if you’re a ref that he couldn’t cause the ball to go incomplete because the receiver had enough possession. That’s what a reasonable ref would go by because he only gets to see the play once and from one angle.

It might not have been the right call from the replay booth, but it was the right call in that circumstance.

Buddahpundit on September 25, 2012 at 7:20 PM

No, that is not what you are doing. You are interpreting the call in just about any way that makes it look like it was not a TD.

Voter from WA State on September 25, 2012 at 7:22 PM

CW on September 25, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Voter open your eyes. This stupidity needs to end.

CW on September 25, 2012 at 7:28 PM

it would not even make 5 minutes on either network. ….
Voter from WA State on September 25, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Oh please.

CW on September 25, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Tuck rule.

lorien1973 on September 25, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Do you watch any pro football? Do you know anything about pro football? Apparently not. But to answer your question, you can’t push a defensive player away from the ball like Tate did. It’s called Offensive Pass Interference.

Are you a Bears fan, or a Seahawks fan?

asc85 on September 25, 2012 at 7:16 PM

I can’t just take your word for it, buddy.

Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

….

(b) Playing through the back of a receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.

That qualifier is absent from the OPI list.

Your best argument would be:

Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(c) Driving through a defender who has established a position on the field.

I don’t think he “drove” through the defender but was instead trying to get to the football. If they wanted “playing through the back” to include offense, they would have put that in the rule book.

There is a good reason that they didn’t include playing through the back as a penalty against the offense. The offensive guys are the primary receivers and the defense is the interceptors. The word “intercept” has meaning.

Buddahpundit on September 25, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Do you watch any pro football? Do you know anything about pro football? Apparently not. But to answer your question, you can’t push a defensive player away from the ball like Tate did. It’s called Offensive Pass Interference.

Are you a Bears fan, or a Seahawks fan?

asc85 on September 25, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Do you realize that in Hail Mary passes like that one that pass interference is NEVER called? NEVER! Everyone is in a scrum. That is why if there is the rule that if a defensive player and an offensive player both have their hands on the ball that it has been ruled it goes to the offense.

Voter from WA State on September 25, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Nice try. But your original pronouncement was, and I quote:

I’m really curious about this claim that there was offensive pass interference because it looks to me like the defensive guy was between the receiver and the football. Are you saying a receiver can’t go for the football if a defensive player is standing flat footed right in his way?

Your feeble response to my reply doesn’t address what you originally said. Instead, now you’re claiming that refs don’t typically make that call. And again, you’re changing the argument…I wasn’t talking about a “simultaneous catch.” I was addressing your ridiculous question about whether it’s OK to push a defensive player out of the way. Which you can’t.

Still haven’t told us who you root for…

asc85 on September 25, 2012 at 7:38 PM

At this point it doesnt even matter if the LFL thing is true, people believe it.
Just like people believe that the replacements are being paid by either someone in Vegas or the actual Refs to blow the game.

Just the fact that people believe this tells you all you need to know. The image of the NFL, which it worked for decades to get, has come crashing down in 3 weeks.

Whats even worse is that lame excuse that the NFL gave us today. Its almost like they think we are all idiots.

The NFL is burning to the ground, and its doing it in a epic way.

Blu3Yeti on September 25, 2012 at 7:40 PM

The real game winner was Vegas.The line was Packers 3.5.Chaos in the casino rooms.The betters on GB had their throats ripped out.

docflash on September 25, 2012 at 7:41 PM

I can’t just take your word for it, buddy.

Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

….

(b) Playing through the back of a receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.

That qualifier is absent from the OPI list.

Your best argument would be:

Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(c) Driving through a defender who has established a position on the field.

I don’t think he “drove” through the defender but was instead trying to get to the football. If they wanted “playing through the back” to include offense, they would have put that in the rule book.

There is a good reason that they didn’t include playing through the back as a penalty against the offense. The offensive guys are the primary receivers and the defense is the interceptors. The word “intercept” has meaning.

Buddahpundit on September 25, 2012 at 7:37 PM

You’re an idiot, who knows nothing about pro football. Or at the very least, you’re letting your emotions cloud your objectivity. Therefore, I’m done trying to educate you. Live in your fantasy world where you’re right, and the vast majority (including the NFL’s statement on this matter) are wrong.

asc85 on September 25, 2012 at 7:43 PM

You’re an idiot.

asc85 on September 25, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Convince me.

Buddahpundit on September 25, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Why is this even an issue? You have a union of people making $150,000 a year for working 16 games a year asking for more money from billionaire owners who never have the money to build their own damn stadiums, only to please millionaire players, who also have an union asking for more money regularly, and who are so smart that they couldn’t figure out years ago that there might be a chance you can get a concussion from playing a contact sport. Oh, and let’s not forget the sports media who will always side with “labor” against “owners”, and criticize corporatism all the way, but in the same breath will be the first ones to demand that taxpayers pay the bill for a new stadium.

It is mind blowing to see that after how many generations of organized sports anyone can still be shocked that there will be bad calls. There are even under the “official” officials!!! This is more the teams, coaches, and players throwing a temper tantrum when calls don’t go their way. I guess they want a participation trophy.

It is even sadder to see that with a critical election on the line that will define the direction of the Supreme Court and the country, on top of the economic debacles and the conflicts around the world, this is the issue of the day and the week.

Bread and circuses… Bread and circuses…

ptcamn on September 25, 2012 at 7:56 PM

cynccook said it best last night.

Those so-called ‘inferior’ refs probably didn’t have the same benefits of background or training as the ‘privileged’ or ‘competent’ refs. In fact, in the future they [the NFL] should require a certain percentage of those spots be filled by the disadvantaged ref classes.

cynccook on September 25, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Everyone in business knows exactly how that works. Government even more so.

jaime on September 25, 2012 at 8:05 PM

The ball is in Jennings two hands in his gut while Tate’s arm is still a foot away.

CW on September 25, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Maybe for a fraction of second at one point it was. How about before and after that? Are you cherry picking a fraction of a second out of the middle of the battle and want possession to be determined at that fraction?

Item 5: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players
retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an
opponent subsequently gains joint control.

In this instance, there was joint control initially. I’d have to go back and look but I think the receiver had both feet on the ground with the joint possession and the interceptor was still in the air. The caveat in the rule book applies to someone controlling initially and an opponent later on trying to get joint control of it.

Buddahpundit on September 25, 2012 at 8:17 PM

jon1979 on September 25, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Thanks, I had forgotten about the pine tar fiasco. The call was correct but ludicrous as no one had been called out for tar in decades at least. The typical ruling – when it was noticed, which was rarely – was to make the player use another bat. AFTER his AB, never heard of it being called – but that Billy Martin was nothing but resourceful and knew the rules pretty well.

Tate certainly did commit OPI in the end zone, he clearly pushed the GB player down. He didn’t go through him to the ball at all. But it is also true that OPI in the end zone on game-ending Hail Mary plays just isn’t called, even by regular refs, and non-calls like that are NOT reviewable.

Meanwhile, Obama is ruling by edict with regulations and EOs at unprecedented rate and with unheard of disregard for statutory law, but we get excited about a sports call.

No wonder we are so screwed as a country.

Adjoran on September 25, 2012 at 8:26 PM

I love the chaos. Keep the refs al season. After Ed Hoculi’s royal fisting of the Chargers I can’t bring myself to give a damn…

Theworldisnotenough on September 25, 2012 at 8:30 PM

This is all bullshyte. The refs missed a call? Big deal. In 2008, the best ref in the league – Ed Hochuli – totally booted a call in the Chargers-Broncos game that cost the Chargers the game. All refs make mistakes. At least these replacement bozos aren’t asking for pensions for part-time jobs.

As for the pass interference non-call, the regular refs NEVER call that on the final play. That they didn’t here is par for the course. Funny thing is that if that moron Packer player did what every football player has been taught since the Flutie play in ’84 and just batted the ball down, none of this would have happened.

rcpjr on September 25, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Thank you!

Or Green Bay could have not given up a record for sacks in a half.

Theworldisnotenough on September 25, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Here’s what i want..i want the replacement refs to just quit..just quit and see what happens then NFL

sadsushi on September 25, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Seattle Seahawks – Green Bay Packers – Blown Call? Not So Fast ESPN …

Definitive… touchdown

faraway on September 25, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Voter from WA State on September 25, 2012 at 7:03 PM

You’re right. But it would still be fun to see Mitt at least offer to sort out the ref strike/lockout. Maybe it’s not in his wheelhouse, though.

Christien on September 25, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Obama: “INTERCEPTION!”

Christien on September 25, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Too may Hot Air readers going pro pension on me…head hurts…

Guys, the league has offered to replace the FULL amount of the pension contribution into a 401K for the refs (35K per anum) but the refs are sticking on the pension issue. They are also being offered a pay raise with this deal…but the union will not budge on the pension…So stop defending these guys unless you want me to call you a hypocrite the next time a GM union story comes up.

P.S. We all know no matter how much you bitch you are still going to watch your team on sunday…and probably other teams as well.

airmonkey on September 26, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Among legitimate refs, the current champ has to be Denniker’s blown call in the 1985 World Series which literally stole the championship from St. Louis. Not that I cared either way.

PackerBronco on September 25, 2012 at 5:41 PM

For us hockey fans the champ is the overtime goal that gave the Dallas Stars their Stanley Cup win in 1999. Brett Hull was in the crease and the rules at that time didn’t allow that, so the goal should not have counted. That isn’t to say that the Stars would not have prevailed anyway – they could have still scored in that game or won the next if it had been necessary, but that goal shouldn’t have won it for them.

It is because of that call that video replay was finally instituted in the NHL and all scoring plays are reviewed before being allowed.

IamDA on September 26, 2012 at 12:11 AM

really? I cant use the female dog word in a sentance without getting my comment pulled?…i did not even use it at anyone…sad panda–>not retyping the whole thing…too tired

airmonkey on September 26, 2012 at 12:13 AM

also…its too late to spell good (see what I did there?)

airmonkey on September 26, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Definitive… touchdown

faraway on September 25, 2012 at 9:11 PM

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. But … let’s go to your link and see that the video you’re posting shows that it was not simultaneous possession.

Frame 36: Jennings clearly has the ball in his hands and just as clearly Tate hands are not even touching the ball and he is falling below Jennings.

Frame 59: Tate’s feet are touching the ground. His left hand is touching the bottom of the ball and his right hand is touching Jenning’s right wrist NOT the ball at all. Jennings still has the ball in his hands and is clutching it to his chest.

Frame 75: Tate shifts his right hand away from Jenning’s right wrist, now he is not touching anything. Jennings is still clutching the ball with both hands to his chest.

Frame 101: The end of the animated GIF. At this point Tate does get both hands on the ball and Jennings continues to clutch the ball to his chest. It’s not clear from the video whether Jennings is on the ground or not.

However we also have images from another angle that show when Jennings hits the ground, Tate’s left hand again loses contact with the ball and he has to reach out and grab it again.

By the time Ref #26 arrives on the scene, Tate has managed to get both hands on the ball. The ref sees that and assumes that Tate had his hands on the ball the whole time. The line judge with the better angle on the play signals interception.

Now the argument you’re trying to make is simultaneous catch. Clearly ridiculous from any angle. Jennings catches the ball and never loses it ONCE during the whole sequence. Tate doesn’t catch the ball, loses contact with the ball several times and only manages to get both hands solidly on the ball once Jennings is already on the ground.

Simultaneous possession does NOT occur if Tate snatches the ball from Jennings or tries to claim equal possession after the fact.

Definitive: Interception

And you know it’s true b/c if it had been called the other way; no one, including Seattle fans would be complaining today about the call. They would be complaining about some other calls but not that one.

PackerBronco on September 26, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Seattle has a QB that threw 2 picks, one TD and netted 130 yards.

Good luck against AZ and the 49ers you’re going to need it. At the end of the year you’re trophy case will still be empty.

Maybe you can but a picture of your GB “win” in there to fill the void.

Green_Bay_Packers on September 26, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Touching the ball dosen’t mean you have possession – you must control it.

Jennings was able to bring it into his chest. He had conrol of the ball. Tate NEVER did.

Green_Bay_Packers on September 26, 2012 at 12:25 AM

The NFL is right to just let the score stand. If they overturned the official result in this instance, there’s no telling where that would end in the future.

For the record, I think the Packers wuz robbed. But as an NFL management decision, the suits did the right thing.

J.E. Dyer on September 26, 2012 at 12:35 AM

I am betting that you thought SB XL was all fair and square, didn’t you?

What you do not understand is that Seahawk fans are completely aware of bad calls. They even assume that any flag will be against them. That is how bad it has been for them through the years.

You can think whatever you wish . . . just like the Steeler fans after SB XL. It does not change the outcome. We know. We lived it.

Voter from WA State on September 25, 2012 at 7:01 PM

There were two bad calls in that game that gave points to the Steelers, so Seahawk fans have a right to be angry about it. But, had those calls not happened, the game would’ve been tied. It could’ve gone either way, at that point. What annoys me about Seahawk fans is that they insist they would have won the game, but for those calls. Maybe, but maybe not.

NbyNW on September 26, 2012 at 2:08 AM

What annoys me is how much it costs to go a game in person, thank you to the unions and owners. If only the unions and owners were affected it would not annoy me to shutdown the season completely.

Wade on September 26, 2012 at 10:08 AM

I think it’s ironic how many of you that thought Chicago should have just fired every teacher and started over now think the NFL should just cave to the refs

Redglen on September 26, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Don’t care. If it means more stolen bases for the tight ends then great. I don’t watch football much.

jake49 on September 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

You all still going on about this. AP and ED please grow up it was a bad call yes. it affected the outcome of the game yes. Is it the first time a bad call has done this NO. Is it the last time a bad call will do this NO. I can think of at least a half dozen times in recent history bad calls have had a affect on the outcome of a game. The example that was brought up time and time again is the Steelers/ Seahawks superbowl. With what is supposed to be the best of the professional referees. I don’t remember this much whining after that travesty as we have in this one game. Is it really because the call or is it because the lowly Seahawks came out on top because of this bad call? The bottom line is bad calls happen even with the best of crews, it is part of the game. Now can we please let it go and move on or do I have to block hot air from my daily reading list.

JKotthoff on September 26, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I can almost guarantee you that whenever the “real” refs come back, the first couple of weeks will have horrible calls (like happens in any typical year), and then people will start whining about that, and why did we think they were so much better than the replacement refs, etc.

Maybe it’s just me, but in general, I’ve noticed the last few weeks that we’ve become more and more a whining culture.

asc85 on September 26, 2012 at 1:17 PM

What’s a professional DB supposed to do on a Hail Mary pass?

A: Knock it DOWN!.

Nobody gets it. By trying to keep it off the ground–they got shafted by some meaningless stat-grabbing and show-boating.

I’m s life-long Lion fan. Don’t tell me about blown calls. I witnessed the refs applying the rules for both a fumble and a forward pass for a Green Bay RB who was just running out of the endzone when he lost the handle on the ball. But because his arm was going forward as he fell down (in the grasp!!!) and reached for the ball, it was called an incomplete HB pass.

I also watched on the historic Lions winless season, a Viking reach over a fully prone Calvin Johnson, flip the ball out of his arms and “return” it for a TD. After a ticky-tacky penalty drive by the refs for a Viking TD.

Like I said, I’m a Lion fan. Blown calls are nothing new.

Axeman on September 26, 2012 at 1:27 PM

And btw, shouldn’t the Union shilling be coming from libfree or ernesto or somebody like that, rather than the main conservative posters.

This is union hype: Oh our players are dying out there and the fat cats in the owners offices are to blame!!

Again, as a Lion fan. After a streak of two wins to begin the season, The Lions were matched up with the equally undefeated Oilers. Our receivers told us that the Oiler DBs laughed saying that they were going to hold the heretofore productive Lion receivers “all day long” until the refs through a flag call it. The refs never threw a single flag for holding that game, despite it being spotted and complained about from the broadcast booth. Detroit played the better game, Home team Oilers won.

Keep believing the union propaganda. NFL refs are bad, blow plenty of calls, and if their strike is thwarted will be replaceable for enough bad calls.

Axeman on September 26, 2012 at 1:34 PM

In which case, what’s the argument for letting the Seahawks keep the win?

Simple. That penalty is never subject to review. Not on the first play. Not in the middle of the game. Not on the last play. Even if the regular refs were large and in charge, there would be tons of blown calls. There’s holding on almost every play if you look hard enough.

NFL refs are bad, blow plenty of calls, and if their strike is thwarted will be replaceable for enough bad calls.

Axeman on September 26, 2012 at 1:34 PM

I agree 100% with that statement.

I’ll go further: The Seattle/Packers game-ender is being made into a scapegoat of sorts. The call wasn’t that bad — it may not have been bad at all.

Note that in real time, Mike Turico, ESPN’s play-by-play man, had this call: “The game’s final play . . . is a Wilson lob to the end zone, which is . . . fought for by Tate . . and Jennings . . simultaneous …. Touchdown!” That’s right, as it happened, Turico used the word “simultaneous” to describe Tate and Jennings’ joint possession of the ball. The ref with the best view called it a touchdown. That’s the outcome when there is simultaneous possession of the ball in the end zone. If you’re neutral, I don’t see how you could call it any other way in realtime.

If you look at the replay closely and objectively (on a hi-def screen and frame by frame, not at the link), you’ll see that there are about 8 black gloves from 4 different players grasping for the ball and that the ball itself casts a shadow, blocking the light. You can’t see enough to tell if Tate had possession but you also can’t see enough to say he didn’t have possession either. Jennings, on the other hand, clearly has both hands on the ball. But the latter fact doesn’t matter for purposes of reviewing the call on the field. The only issue for the reviewer is if there is indisputable evidence that Tate did not have possession. The angles and lack of light don’t allow that to be seen. So the review resulted in the dreaded, “the ruling on the field stands”.

Packer Fan is understandably upset but Packer Fan is being played big time by the replacement ref controversy. The reality is that the Packers managed to score a whopping 12 points against freaking Seattle. Seattle! If they had scored just one more touchdown, the replacement refs are irrelevant. The simple fact is that almost nobody wins in the NFL with 12 points, or even 14 for that matter.

Yet the much heralded Aaron Rodgers came out crying about the refs yesterday. Boo freaking hoo. He’s using you, Packer Fan. Maybe if the Packers could run the ball, Rodgers wouldn’t be under pressure all night. Or maybe his Oline could mix in a pass block or two? Or a receiver could run a decent route or hang on to the ball? Do some of those things well and a rookie QB out of Wisconsin (oh, the irony), that QB factory, doesn’t beat you on the last play of the game. The only saving grace is that it wasn’t at Lambeau.

EconomicNeocon on September 26, 2012 at 3:00 PM

On a similar thread I called the referee’s call confirming Tate’s catch as a good call which was confirmed by an official review-performed by the regular reviewers-NOT substitutes. I was subsequently excoriated by union ass-kissers stating that the “dual-possession” could NOT be reviewed ONLY that the ball was caught by SOMEBODY. WRONG WRONG WRONG Union hacks-the DUAL POSSESSION WAS REVIEWED AND CONFIRMED. Further-The NFL REVIEWED THE REVIEWERS AND CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION.

A shove in the end zone by Golden Tate, in the interests of objectivity, should have been offensive pass interference but was NOT called (such calls are often missed by the regular zebras as well)-but this (unlike the catch) is NOT reviewable.-and justifiably, based on that shoving, Green Bay should have been declared the winner-BUT I AM SICK AND TIRED OF A LEGITIMATE CATCH WHICH WAS RULED GOOD ON THE FIELD AND REVIEWED TWICE as being the center of the controversy.

MaiDee on September 26, 2012 at 8:36 PM

The hold outs are all tight ends

Wade on September 26, 2012 at 10:58 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

YEAH!!!! – GO SEATTLE!!!!!

I FREAKING LOVE THIS SHHHHHHHHHHHT!!!

GIVE IT TO THE UNIONS!!!! GIVE IT TO THE UUUUUUUU-NNNNN-IONS!!!

There were 1985 words spoken at today’s White House Press Briefing. Of those words – there was a total of 7 questions that were NOT “Football-Related”

We have people like Allahpundit to Thank for HELPING keep the White House WALL OF DISTRACTION UP instead of Talking about HOW the Mid East is engulfed in Obama-Ignited FLAMES today!

Needed to make sure this was posted in both appropriate places.

williamg on September 27, 2012 at 12:50 AM

Bears repeating:

There were 1985 words spoken at today’s White House Press Briefing. Of those words – there was a total of 7 questions that were NOT “Football-Related”

Thanks for Helping keep The Lie alive…

williamg on September 27, 2012 at 12:51 AM

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