Are we too sensitive to partisan skew in polls?

posted at 9:21 am on September 25, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Critics of media polling have long complained about the sample skew that tends to favor Democrats in their surveys.  We do a lot of poll analysis here at Hot Air and we routinely compare the modeling to exit polling in past elections.  National Journal reports today that pollsters, especially those who work with media outlets, have begun to fight back against the criticism leveled by conservatives of institutional sample skew, claiming that they’re seeing trends on the ground that previous electoral models won’t capture:

Critics allege that pollsters are interviewing too many Democrats — and too few Republicans or independents — and artificially inflating the Democratic candidates’ performance. Pollsters counter that the results they are finding reflect slight changes in public sentiment — and, moreover, adjusting their polls to match arbitrary party-identification targets would be unscientific.

Unlike race, gender or age, all demographic traits for which pollsters weight their samples, party identification is considered an attitude that pollsters say they should be measuring. When party identification numbers change, it’s an indication of deeper political change that a poll can spot.

“If a pollster weights by party ID, they are substituting their own judgment as to what the electorate is going to look like. It’s not scientific,” said Doug Schwartz, the director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute, which doesn’t weight its surveys by party identification. …

On Monday, the news website Buzzfeed interviewed a Virginia-based blogger who re-weights public polls to reflect the partisan trends reported by automated pollster Rasmussen Reports. Dean Chambers, the blogger, then presents the adjusted data in charts on his website, unskewedpolls.com.

As of late Monday, Chambers’ website claimed that an average of polls conducted since Labor Day show Mitt Romney leading Obama, 52 percent to 44 percent. The website and its findings were trumpeted on the Drudge Report, the conservative-leaning news-aggregation site that has tended to highlight polls more favorable to Romney and less favorable to the president.

The pollsters claim that they’re seeing a big shift towards identification with the Democratic Party.  If so, then Gallup and Rasmussen have both missed it.  Both organizations routinely do general-population polling for partisan identification.  In fact, the latest state-by-state polling from Gallup (August 2012) shows that the shift has gone the other way:

Thus far in 2012, the two major parties have been closely matched nationally in terms of the absolute number of states each can claim as politically favorable, representing a dramatic change from 2008 and 2009 when the Democratic Party had an overwhelming advantage on this score. This doesn’t translate directly into likely election outcomes, given differences that can exist between the party leanings of adults versus registered voters, as well as differing turnout patterns and voting behavior of Republicans vs. Democrats in some states.

Polls are intended to be predictive.  In order to be predictive, the sample has to hew closely to the turnout model of the actual election. The best way to calculate that is to check the trends from the most recent election cycles.  One can get surprised by this when turnout shifts dramatically, as it did in 2008 — but that was in favor of the Democrats for a D+7 result, and it’s unlikely to happen a second time, especially after the all-even turnout model from the 2010 midterms.  That means that D+11 on national samples aren’t going to be terribly predictive of the outcome in November, nor would R+11 samples, and so it’s difficult to take those results seriously.  Furthermore, with just a few weeks before the election, pollsters need to start finding likely voters rather than just registered voters or general-population samples if they expect consumers to rely on them for predictions of voter behavior — again, the entire point of polling.

If there is one valid criticism of conservative poll analysis, it’s that we tend to focus on just party ID rather than a broader range of demographic categories — gender, age, income, and geography.  Most of that data exists in exit polling, too, so it isn’t terribly difficult to check, but it is time consuming.  However, if a national poll features a turnout model of D+11 or R+11, that’s enough to make the results unreliable without checking the rest of the demos, just as one with 60% men would be.

The pollsters complaining in this piece sound as though they resent the idea of having their models put into question at all.  They want consumers to simply swallow what they deliver without asking any questions.  If so, they’re relying on an outdated media-consumer model.


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Sanford should tell Busch to go back to wherever the hell she came from.

Happy Nomad on May 6, 2013 at 10:46 AM

“You heard congressman Clyburn himself say, sometimes you agree and sometimes you don’t, but let’s get to May 7th and let’s get elected, and then we’ll sit down and we’ll all talk to each other, we’ll collaborate with each other, we’ll work with each other,” she told the group.

Good God, could this woman be any more obvious that she’s lying her ass off in order to get elected? Any right-leaning voter who pulls the lever for Sister of Colbert and then acts surprised when she becomes a lapdog for Pelosi once in office deserves to have the crap kicked out of them.

Doughboy on May 6, 2013 at 10:46 AM

“I have to see the bill,” she responded,

She was asked about repealing ObamaCare, not passing new stuff. But then, I doubt she’s read ObamaCare either.

Fenris on May 6, 2013 at 10:48 AM

What a choice! If I lived in S.C., I would vote for Sanford. Every two years you get a chance to find a better Republican.

Cindy Munford on May 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Lesser of two evils, I suppose.

Let’s not forget, he was a pretty reliable budget hawk. We don’t need more Al Frankens.

BuckeyeSam on May 6, 2013 at 10:52 AM

She was asked about repealing ObamaCare, not passing new stuff. But then, I doubt she’s read ObamaCare either.

Fenris on May 6, 2013 at 10:48 AM

And she doesn’t want to talk about anything but winning on May 7th. You’d think a woman who wants to become a member of Congress would be able to speak intelligently about something so invasive as Obamacare. Just calling it problematic doesn’t answer the mail.

Happy Nomad on May 6, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Fenris on May 6, 2013 at 10:48 AM

I thought that also, but I think she is talking about repeal legislation. Of course as far as I’m concern Obamacare, with all the fill in the blank stuff, was hypothetical.

Cindy Munford on May 6, 2013 at 10:55 AM

You gotta pass bills to see what’s in it, and you have to wait till she’s elected to see if she’ll vote for any of them. Just mind-boggling. She’d be a reliable vote for Obama and company, and shame on any Republican in that distrcit who’s folled into thinking otherwise. I know Sanford’s no prize, but really.

changer1701 on May 6, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Been burned too many times with polls last time….. President Romney anyone?

sandee on May 6, 2013 at 10:56 AM

If I were charged with First Degree Murder and Mark Sanford a criminal defense lawyer with a 100% acquittal rate, I might not like him but I’d definitely hire him.

Just saying…

Drained Brain on May 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Yeah but the Republican establishment finds Sanford so horrible that they pulled their support from him! I guess they like Pelosi and her minions.

Purity!

Vince on May 6, 2013 at 10:59 AM

“Let’s see it,” she responded. “Let’s get elected on May 7th, and then we’ll go from there. And then when they bring it to the desk, we’ll go from there.”

I wasn’t rooting for Sanford, but I sure as hell am now. This woman can’t win.

Marcus on May 6, 2013 at 10:59 AM

…with all the fill in the blank stuff…

Cindy Munford on May 6, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Seems like that’s how all legislation is these days, and likely there will be no legislation that just says “Repealed”. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t call them out on their dereliction of duty.

Fenris on May 6, 2013 at 11:00 AM

PPP’s final poll of the special election in South Carolina’s 1st Congressional District finds a race that’s too close to call, with Republican Mark Sanford leading Democrat Elizabeth Colbert Busch 47-46. The 1 point lead for Sanford represents a 10 point reversal from PPP’s poll of the race two weeks ago, when Colbert Busch led by 9 points at 50-41.

I don’t buy that big of a swing in 2 weeks. I think PPP either cooked the earlier poll, cooked the recent one, or both.

I think they are just attempting to tighten the race so they can make sure the D’s are inspired to GOTV.

weaselyone on May 6, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Here’s the problem.

In recent years, the DCCC has proven pretty good (better than the NRCC, anyway) at winning special Congressional elections. Sanford’s operating alone without any help from the nationals in terms of getting the GOP base vote to turnout. If African-American turnout is higher than expected tomorrow (which is the core of the DCCC’s strategy here) Colbert-Busch probably takes this race.

Robert_Paulson on May 6, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Nothing a truckload a “lost votes” from the military and conservative distiricts can’t solve.

Add in some felons, illegal aliens, dead and multiple voters and it’s a “referendum” on the liberalizing of SC.

acyl72 on May 6, 2013 at 11:21 AM

People of SC, please vote for Sanford and then in two years run someone who isnt a dirt bag and vote that person in.

Jack_Burton on May 6, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Elizabeth Colbert Busch is no sweetheart. She was involved in a messy divorce, one that landed her in jail on contempt of court charges in 1988. You can see her mugshot and more in this link.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/must-see-elizabeth-colbert-busch-arrested-mug-shot-video/

Commonsense13 on May 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM

What in heaven’s name is wrong with you people in SC? I am in Augusta, just across the river, and you are scaring me!

ultracon on May 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Been burned too many times with polls last time….. President Romney anyone?

sandee on May 6, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Use your brain. All polls are not the same. Still, polls are based on empirical data. If you can’t parse/interpret data sets and outcomes I recommend more schooling.

Capitalist Hog on May 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM

What a choice! If I lived in S.C., I would vote for Sanford. Every two years you get a chance to find a better Republican.

Cindy Munford on May 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM

yeah, in this day and age, I can’t imagine not supporting Sanford just to send a message to the gop elite. We need that seat and he’s no worse than a lot of them up there with their personal lives.

The gop eats their own.

hawkdriver on May 6, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Capitalist Hog on May 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Do you walk this Earth with a perpetual stick up your ass? Take a break, you don’t have to be a prick every day of your life.

hawkdriver on May 6, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Capitalist Hog on May 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Do you walk this Earth with a perpetual stick up your ass? Take a break, you don’t have to be a pr!ck every day of your life.

hawkdriver on May 6, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Elizabeth Colbert Busch is no sweetheart. She was involved in a messy divorce, one that landed her in jail on contempt of court charges in 1988. You can see her mugshot and more in this link.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/must-see-elizabeth-colbert-busch-arrested-mug-shot-video/

Commonsense13 on May 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Woo. Raising her voice in court because her ex-husband was trying to get custody of the kids.

stingray9813 on May 6, 2013 at 11:40 AM

I don’t buy that big of a swing in 2 weeks. I think PPP either cooked the earlier poll, cooked the recent one, or both.

I think they are just attempting to tighten the race so they can make sure the D’s are inspired to GOTV.

weaselyone on May 6, 2013 at 11:07 AM

PPP means Piss-Poor Polling. They can be accurate when they want to, but they often use push-polling and fake polls to advance their political positions, and you have no way of knowing which is which.

slickwillie2001 on May 6, 2013 at 11:42 AM

As much as the RNC (and many here) may crave an abortion supporting, global warming zealot to beat Sanford on ‘principal’, they lose again. Sanford wins in a walk and will owe them nothing. The RNC, meanwhile will have no such qualms about supporting countless DC lifers who are habitual adulterers, but DON’T marry their girlfriends. Sanford left his wife to marry a woman he fell in love with. That’s a Disney movie compared to what goes on every day in the DC cesspool most congressmen swim in.

AmeriCuda on May 6, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Everyone who thinks she’d be a place-holder for two years then get tossed needs to remember Claire McCaskill. You can’t let a snake in the house and guarantee you can sweep it out later no problem.

Marcus on May 6, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Commonsense13 on May 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Something Gov. Sanford would probably never dream of bringing up.

Cindy Munford on May 6, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Sanford should tell Busch to go back to wherever the hell she came from.

Happy Nomad on May 6, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Going back to being his worst nightmare is not a valid option.

Myron Falwell on May 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM

“Can Sanford succeed in his improbable comeback?” is a question that has little or nothing to do with this race. Of course he will win election, as he should in this R+lots district.

But he will never get elected anywhere else though, and hopefully this race has made that fact clear; so his “improbable comeback” is an epithet that will never be written.

The real question is not about some dream of a comeback, it’s will he spend election night with his supporters or will he be out walking the Appalachian trail?

MTF on May 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM

hawkdriver on May 6, 2013 at 11:36 AM

LOL! Sometimes they need to eat their own. I would just suggest that they chew more slowly and consider carefully whether swallowing a less than tasty but harmless offering or embracing two years unfortunate side effects. I was under the impression that this was a conservative district and they nominated him, it doesn’t seem like it should even be a contest but here we are.

Cindy Munford on May 6, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Happy Nomad on May 6, 2013 at 10:46 AM

You know that only liberals can get away with that crap. I’m sure the Dems think that Gov. Haley’s Indian heritage is far scarier than Ms. Busch’s Canadian roots. Democrats seem to imply that their own constituency is less that cosmopolitan. You would think that they would get tired of being insulted.

Cindy Munford on May 6, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Sod off Captain Danvers.

There are scenarios wherein I edit, abridge or soften my words out of concern for my audience. As a mentor and frequent guest at the homes of friends, family and employees I am around kids a lot. When kids are in the room their presence is a priority. Aside from that….get bent.

I am very plainly spoken. I don’t insult without acknowledging that I am doing so. I don’t mask my flaws to make my point. True, I go hard…most of the time. Why should I express my thoughts about others with any less scrutiny than I apply to myself?

Thank you for your service. Now, why don’t you do what you’re always making a grand production to others about doing? Ignore me.

Capitalist Hog on May 6, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Capitalist Hog on May 6, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Wow, you are so cool.

Cindy Munford on May 6, 2013 at 12:10 PM

As one who lives in this district and didn’t vote for Sanford in the primary or the runoff, I will be pulling the lever for him tomorrow. My wife is ready to vote for him as well. It isn’t that we have come around to being pro Sanford so much as being sick of the negative campaign ads being purchased by the Dem/ liberal money pouring into the state. You can’t find a single reason to vote FOR Colbert-Busch…. only reasons NOT to vote for Sanford. We’re frackin’ sick of it!

Storybec on May 6, 2013 at 12:33 PM

I, thankfully, have no dog in that hunt; being in Colorado. Both candidates make a football bat look perfectly functional. And both are detestable. Still and all, a Sanford win, against all odds and with the RNC pulling out AND celebrity support for the Democrat; would have to cause more than a little concern on the Left. If they cannot pull that one out, or have to resort to the normal Democrat vote fraud tactics in a race they should walk away with; means that they are going to have to crank the fraud up to 11 or 12 as a starting point for any putative midterm elections.

Subotai Bahadur on May 6, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Storybec on May 6, 2013 at 12:33 PM

If Dems put a lot of money in your area and still lose, I think that’s my definition of a successful stimulus program. I’m praying for y’all.

Cindy Munford on May 6, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Show polls with Democrats up big amounts right up until a week before the election and then report accurate numbers right before the election to protect their professional reputation – Typical PPP manuever.

[That said I'm hoping for a Colbert-Busch win in this meaningless election just to dump all of Sanford's baggage that will just feed the "war on women" meme. Irrelevant stuff like that gets nationalized if Sanford sticks around.]

blammm on May 6, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Another black eye for the republican party.

rubberneck on May 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM

“You heard congressman Clyburn himself say, sometimes you agree and sometimes you don’t, but let’s get to May 7th and let’s get elected, and then we’ll sit down and we’ll all talk to each other, we’ll collaborate with each other, we’ll work with each other,” she told the group.

Why does that sound so much like “We need to pass it to see what’s in it?”

This shouldn’t even be close, much less this close. I guess there was no one else who could have gone for the position? That’s sadder than anything else involving this election.

DrAllecon on May 6, 2013 at 12:47 PM

rubberneck on May 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Black eyes are temporary.

Cindy Munford on May 6, 2013 at 12:49 PM

I don’t buy that big of a swing in 2 weeks. I think PPP either cooked the earlier poll, cooked the recent one, or both.

I think they are just attempting to tighten the race so they can make sure the D’s are inspired to GOTV.

weaselyone on May 6, 2013 at 11:07 AM

After PPP was proven to be one of the most accurate pollsters in 2012 you are still going for this “the polls are lying” conspiracy crap. The only tomfoolery was the “unskewed” polling sites.

libfreeordie on May 6, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I set the “over/under” for the GOP nominee at 53% BEFORE the primaries and nothing has changed, despite the unions and national Democrats spending over $1 million in attack ads. SC-CD-1 isn’t going to send a union stooge to DC, no matter how much lipstick you put on the pig.

SC incumbents don’t get “primaried” out of office, so all you meddling outsiders shouldn’t get your hopes up. OTOH, in your pathetic ignorance and self-righteous posturing, you may not know about Mark Sanford:

1. Won congressional primary in 1994 vs several establishment Republicans including state party chairman
2. Pledged not to accept PAC $$ and didn’t
3. Pledged to serve no more than three terms and did it
4. Slept on office couch first year in office to save money
5. Shared apartment with other Republican congressmen, never bought house in DC
6. Came home to SC every weekend at own expense
7. Was only Member of Congress who returned office expense money to Treasury every year from 1995-2001 – including Ron Paul
8. Retired, but was talked into running for Governor by grassroots Republicans
9. Won primary vs former Governor, sitting AG & Secretary of State
10. Was mentor and encouraged reformers Haley and Scott to seek higher office
11. Brought pigs to legislature to protest pork

WHO in the GOP has a better record of proposed reform and spending cuts than Sanford? Other than nuts like Paul, no one.

But we thank you interlopers for your interference, we will persevere despite no help countering the unions and Pelosi PACs from outside. We invite you to visit, spend lots of money, and then go home.

We don’t care how you do it up north, mmmkay?

Adjoran on May 6, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Adjoran on May 6, 2013 at 2:47 PM

I can’t speak for anyone else but I hope he wins. Don’t they get multiple votes up north?

Cindy Munford on May 6, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Dead heat goes to the dem. GOP voters aren’t going to be anxious to head to the polls to vote for this guy. They might say over the phone that they support him, but actually showing up? Nah. Not going to happen.

Rational Thought on May 6, 2013 at 3:32 PM

So Sanford had an affair and lied about it? And THAT is supposed to make him poison to women? As I recall, we had a President with that on his record and women love him. Perhaps Sanford is on to something here. The worse he treats women, the more they love him. This might be something for future Republican candidates to think about. Have an affair and then run for office.

duggersd on May 6, 2013 at 4:31 PM

She was asked about repealing ObamaCare, not passing new stuff. But then, I doubt she’s read ObamaCare either.

Fenris on May 6, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Shortly after she clarified that she would NOT vote to repal Obama’care’, that she misspoke.

Schadenfreude on May 6, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Another black eye for the republican party.

rubberneck on May 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Bill Clinton has two black eyes? Really?

Schadenfreude on May 6, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Sanford by 3+

SouthernGent on May 6, 2013 at 6:44 PM