A parting shot in the war on coal

posted at 8:31 am on September 22, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

The least busy Congress in recent memory has taken flight yet again, this time until the election. But before hitting the bricks, the House managed to sneak through one final vote.

In the ongoing effort to protect jobs and affordable energy, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R.3409, the Stop the War on Coal Act. The legislative package passed the full House with bipartisan support by a vote of 233 to 175. This important jobs and energy package, sponsored by Rep. Bill Johnson (R-OH), includes key measures advanced by the Energy and Commerce Committee: the Energy Tax Prevention Act, the TRAIN Act, and the Coal Residuals Reuse and Management Act. The legislation also includes important measures advanced by the Natural Resources Committee and the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee.

“Today, the House took a stand for jobs, families, and affordable energy. On Tuesday this week, we learned of Alpha Natural Resources will be closing 8 mines and laying off 1200 workers. I met with the Alpha CEO shortly after the announcement, and he lamented the administration’s regulatory assault on coal. Sadly, the list of layoffs goes on because of the administration’s ‘all of the above, but nothing from below,’ energy policy,” said Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-MI). “Coal is the cornerstone of our economy – estimates suggest that every mining job creates an additional 3.5 jobs. We are electricity independent – and we want to stay that way.”

Of course, we shouldn’t get too excited over the idea that anything will be happening any time soon. The prevailing view of opponents was that it was simply eleventh hour electioneering to deliver a quick shot across the President’s bow before the debates. Of course, these same people – primarily Democrats and their supporters – took time out before heading to the airports for the same thing.

Over in the Democratic Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., delayed that chamber’s getaway to force a procedural vote on legislation by endangered Democrat Jon Tester of Montana to boost access to public lands for hunting and fishing. Republicans protested that the move was nakedly political and had tried to block it.

The sad truth is that the Stop the War on Coal Act has no chance of getting through the Senate and the president would simply veto it anyway. (At least with the current occupants of the White House and the Senate leadership.) So the layoffs currently taking place at Alpha Natural Resources and their subsequent losses on the market will still take place. This pattern is being repeated across places like Ohio and Pennsylvania, but if there is help in sight, it’s not coming soon.


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Loretta Lynn’s dad gave us coal and Loretta Lynn. He did a hell of a lot more to make America great than President Obama ever did.

radjah shelduck on September 22, 2012 at 8:35 AM

add this to the already very long list of measures that will HELP starting Jan 2013. they’re lined up, written, passed the house and ready to go. Jan-May 2013 is going to be a very busy time for the GOP senate and potus romney. energy policy, sane budget, tax reform, regulation rollback. now over the next 4 years if they can clean out the rats nest of true prog believers at the agencies they’ll start to get somewhere. DOJ, State, DOE, HHS, they’re going to take years to repair.

t8stlikchkn on September 22, 2012 at 8:39 AM

It amazes me that these states are still in the D side of polls.

ChicagoBlues on September 22, 2012 at 8:39 AM

Without coal how am I going to charge my Volt?

dumbasses..

HoustonRight on September 22, 2012 at 8:43 AM

It amazes me that these states are still in the D side of polls.

ChicagoBlues on September 22, 2012 at 8:39 AM

…D is for dumb!

KOOLAID2 on September 22, 2012 at 8:46 AM

I want to know how the unions square what is happening to the jobs with their rabid non failing support of the job killer in chief…

Answer me that ..

And yes I AM a conservative 20 year union member.

RockyJ. on September 22, 2012 at 8:47 AM

It’s not just a war on coal. It’s a war on affordable energy, hence a war on American prosperity. The only energy these crony socialists support, wind and solar, is too inefficient and unreliable, to be affordable. Look at Spain. Look at Germany. Countries that ventured down the wind/solar rabbit hole are now making a hasty retreat.

petefrt on September 22, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Without coal how am I going to charge my Volt?

dumbasses..

HoustonRight on September 22, 2012 at 8:43 AM

With nuclear of course…Oh wait…

Thomas More on September 22, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Roll Call Vote:

H R 3409 RECORDED VOTE 21-Sep-2012 12:08 PM
QUESTION: On Passage
BILL TITLE: To limit the authority of the Secretary of the Interior to issue regulations before December 31, 2013, under the Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act of 1977

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll603.xml

canopfor on September 22, 2012 at 2:34 AM

canopfor on September 22, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Even House Democrats Vote To Stop Obama’s War On Coal
Posted September 21, 2012
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Today, 19 Democrats Joined 233 Republicans In Support Of H.R. 3409, “Stop The War On Coal Act of 2012 .” “The House approved a bill Friday morning that would significantly deregulate the coal industry, in a vote that was the last legislative act of the House before the November election. The Stop the War on Coal Act, H.R. 3409, was approved in a 233-175 vote, although as usual, the bill many Democrats described as anti-environmental still found some Democratic support — 19 Democrats voted for it.” (Pete Kasperowicz and Ben Geman, “House Approves Coal Regulation Bill In Last Act Before Election,”

The Hill, 9/21/12)

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/250957-house-approves-coal-deregulation-bill-in-last-act-before-election

http://www.gop.com/news/research/even-house-democrats-vote-to-stop-obamas-war-on-coal/
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canopfor on September 22, 2012 at 9:01 AM

The prevailing view of opponents was that it was simply eleventh hour electioneering to deliver a quick shot across the President’s bow before the debate

The “Stop the War on Coal Act” was “eleventh hour electioneering? You think?

It amazes me that these states are still in the D side of polls.

ChicagoBlues on September 22, 2012 at 8:39 AM

…D is for dumb!

KOOLAID2 on September 22, 2012 at 8:46 AM

The number of coal miners is declining significantly, significantly diminshing their electoral influence. Only 8 thousand coal miners in Pennsylvania, only 3 thousand in Ohio. The two biggest states, West Virginia (21k) and Kentucky (18k) aren’t going for Obama anyway.

In addition, the Republicans have traditionally stood on the side of mine owners who want to break unions, slash pay and benefits, and force workers into unsafe mines.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Without coal how am I going to charge my Volt?

dumbasses..

HoustonRight on September 22, 2012 at 8:43 AM

Odumbnuts is getting ready to unleash the unicorn farts power industry on us. It’ll be glorious.

msupertas on September 22, 2012 at 9:13 AM

…force workers into unsafe mines.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Forcing workers into unsafe mines. That’s traditionally been a practice of your heros, like Mao and Stalin, hasn’t it?

oldleprechaun on September 22, 2012 at 9:15 AM

O/t but this is as good a place as any.
Here in the Portland/Vancouver market Obama is running campaign adds and at the end instead of saying: “This is Barack Obama snd I approve the message”, There is a plea to donate $10 to a supplied number. I have never seen such crap.

Rio Linda Refugee on September 22, 2012 at 9:22 AM

In addition, the Republicans have traditionally stood on the side of mine owners who want to break unions, slash pay and benefits, and force workers into unsafe mines. urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Your concern for the proletariat is touching.

Break unions? What mining companies tossed the UMW or Southern Labor Union?

Slash pay and benefits? As opposed to closing mines and laying off miners?

Unsafe mines? All mines are unsafe, which is why mining is among the most regulated industries in the nation and unsafe mining practices are prosecuted.

Akzed on September 22, 2012 at 9:25 AM

The number of coal miners is declining significantly, significantly diminshing their electoral influence. Only 8 thousand coal miners in Pennsylvania, only 3 thousand in Ohio. The two biggest states, West Virginia (21k) and Kentucky (18k) aren’t going for Obama anyway.

In addition, the Republicans have traditionally stood on the side of mine owners who want to break unions, slash pay and benefits, and force workers into unsafe mines.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 9:03 AM

I fear the curr is right here in that coal workers are Dem voters and they have no idea why.

Rio Linda Refugee on September 22, 2012 at 9:25 AM

The number of coal miners is declining significantly, significantly diminshing their electoral influence. urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 9:03 AM

“So, if somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can — it’s just that it will bankrupt them, because they are going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.” -Obooba

“You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.” -Obooba

Akzed on September 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM

The full movie 2016 Obamas America is on Youtube…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tDY6v8KdSYs

dforston on September 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM

The world must be laughing at us. We have so many abundant natural resources including coal, untapped oil reserves, natural gas along with the best nuclear technologies on earth. Yet with the exception of natural gas we do not utilize them except in marginal ways. Even natural gas would be more plentiful as with each oilwell drilled there is natural gas retrieved along with the crude.

So many countries covet our resources and we still bow to our enemies for fear of upseting the econuts. I’d laugh too but I can’t help but cry.

HoustonRight on September 22, 2012 at 9:31 AM

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Delusional at best.

Mimzey on September 22, 2012 at 9:32 AM

It’s not just a war on coal. It’s a war on affordable energy, hence a war on American prosperity. The only energy these crony socialists support, wind and solar, is too inefficient and unreliable, to be affordable. Look at Spain. Look at Germany. Countries that ventured down the wind/solar rabbit hole are now making a hasty retreat.

petefrt on September 22, 2012 at 8:49 AM

The crux of the problem is the EPA is filled with environmental Zealots who care only about their warped concept of what is good for their mother earth. And what is good for mother earth is of course bad for the human inhabitants — too bad for us.

Dasher on September 22, 2012 at 9:36 AM

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 9:03 AM

…I live in one of the most beautiful but dumbest states in the Union….Michigan…we’re in the top 5 for the “D” award.

KOOLAID2 on September 22, 2012 at 9:39 AM

yes, yes the Preezy is costing us jobs left and right.

But let’s talk about what’s really important. Why does Mitt hate poor people?

Slade73 on September 22, 2012 at 9:40 AM

The full movie 2016 Obamas America is on Youtube…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tDY6v8KdSYs

dforston on September 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM

dforston:Thank-You,I’ll scrutenize it,later!:)

canopfor on September 22, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Your concern for the proletariat is touching.

Break unions? What mining companies tossed the UMW or Southern Labor Union?

Peabody, among others. And hyou’re seriously going to make the case that the GOP is pro-union are you?

Slash pay and benefits? As opposed to closing mines and laying off miners?

You’re right. American miners should make what Chinese miners make. And coal company executives earnings should conmtinue to increase.

Unsafe mines? All mines are unsafe, which is why mining is among the most regulated industries in the nation and unsafe mining practices are prosecuted.

Akzed on September 22, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Mine safety prosecutions are laughable.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Without coal how am I going to charge my Volt?

dumbasses..

HoustonRight on September 22, 2012 at 8:43 AM

The same place we’re going to have to get our oil since we can’t drill locally, we’ll import it from all of those friendly muslim countries that just love us…….

Oh wait.

UncleOlaf on September 22, 2012 at 9:44 AM

In addition, the Republicans have traditionally stood on the side of mine owners who want to break unions, slash pay and benefits, and force workers into unsafe mines.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 9:03 AM

So you support strip-mining? Interesting…

What you say about the Republicans is true. As a party, we generally feel that you have the right to quit your job if you’re that miserable or if you feel it’s too dangerous. Of course, you may argue that in Appalachia jobs are hard to come by and therefore quitting is not a viable option for men who have families to support. But a counter-argument is that there is no Berlin Wall surrounding this region and in fact hundreds of thousands did indeed leave over the decades for better opportunities elsewhere.

I don’t recall the Democratic Party rushing down to Harlan County in order to support the striking miners or to protect them from the company’s hired thugs. I also never heard of the Republican Party spending resources during that strike on behalf of the mining company.

Maybe the moral of the story is that we Citizens are basically on our own and can’t count on support from either political party? Perhaps the second part is that both parties will only get involved with what benefits them?

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 22, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Here’s the link to a Peabody story.

The NLRB’s action last week comes in the wake of a major court victory for labor against Peabody and its subsidiary, Big Ridge Inc. On April 30, U.S. District Court Judge G. Patrick Murphy ordered the company to cease an illegal anti-union campaign against the UMWA, and to reinstate Wade Waller, an outspoken Big Ridge employee who had been fired for supporting the union.

In 2007, Peabody created a new company, Patriot Coal Corp., to operate most of its unionized coal mines in Appalachia. As part of the deal, Patriot assumed the liabilities for healthcare benefits for thousand of former Peabody employees and retirees, in addition to benefits for many dependents, UMWA said.

But in July, Patriot filed a Chapter 11 bankruptcy petition in federal court, saying it could no longer sustain its healthcare costs, which it estimated might exceed $100 million this year.

UMWA’s Roberts has charged that the spinoff of Patriot and the subsequent bankruptcy are both part of a deliberate attempt by Peabody to avoid paying the benefits that are due to union members and their families.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 9:45 AM

you mean my Volt doesn’t run on Prairie Dust and Rainbow Farts?

Slade73 on September 22, 2012 at 9:53 AM

The number of coal miners is declining significantly, significantly diminshing their electoral influence. Only 8 thousand coal miners in Pennsylvania, only 3 thousand in Ohio. The two biggest states, West Virginia (21k) and Kentucky (18k) aren’t going for Obama anyway.

In addition, the Republicans have traditionally stood on the side of mine owners who want to break unions, slash pay and benefits, and force workers into unsafe mines.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Nice to know that the livelihoods of 50,000 middle class Americans really don’t matter much to you. How progressive!

rockmom on September 22, 2012 at 9:54 AM

I want to know how the unions square what is happening to the jobs with their rabid non failing support of the job killer in chief…

Answer me that ..

And yes I AM a conservative 20 year union member.

RockyJ. on September 22, 2012 at 8:47 AM

About 1984, I read a book proposing an alliance between labor and environmentalists to create a permanent Democratic Party majority that would confront business and the GOP on many fronts. At the time I felt Labor would get the worst of that bargain as the Enviros I knew in the Buffalo area wanted heavy manufacturing to “just go away” rather than just be environmentally friendly. This alliance indeed took place and on every front, the Enviros get there way from the Dem politicians while labor gets its very livelihood threatened. Restrictions on oil and gas production, pipelines blocked,nuclear power plants sidelined, hard rock mining throttled, logging curtailed, coal mining’s very existence threatened. I see the political access that big labor leaders have gotten; but what has the individual union member gotten?

I spent 25 years in a United Steelworkers plant. They had a Grievance Chairman who kept pushing “Zero Discharge” regulations down in Washington as the “Business Representative” in one of the Clinton administrations sham regulatory review committees. At the same time, I on was a real “Business Representative” on a Planning Committee with representatives from Great Lakes United that wanted the Western New York heavy manufacturers to close. Both the Steelworkers and GLU supported the Dem party both pursued zero discharge regulations but their ultimate goals were not the same.

Hopefully, labor members will wake up before it is too late and their jobs are gone for good.

KW64 on September 22, 2012 at 9:56 AM

and force workers into unsafe mines.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Utter loon. Ever heard of MSHA. Sort of like OSHA on steroids. Large mines have internal safety inspectors who can run a board member off the mine if they break the rules. I have had personal friends who ran gold mines of 2,500 employees and I can tell you safety comes first with them and its personal. Both Union and non Union.

BullShooterAsInElk on September 22, 2012 at 9:57 AM

BTW, urban elitist,

The United Mine Workers has not endorsed a candidate for President this year. First time in its history that it has not endorsed the Democrat for President. So yeah, even the union understands this IS a war on coal.

rockmom on September 22, 2012 at 10:00 AM

I want to be sympathetic to my fellow Americans in Ohio and Pennsylvania…and I think this is horrendous….however, they continually vote Democrate and union…they are the only ones who can change this by changing their vote

obsessedinga on September 22, 2012 at 10:00 AM

I personally don’t use electricity because the oceans will recede that way

Slade73 on September 22, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Nice to know that the livelihoods of 50,000 middle class Americans really don’t matter much to you. How progressive!

rockmom on September 22, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Nice projection, but wrong. The question was why coal states were falling into the Democratic column in recent polling, and I answered the question.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Mine safety prosecutions are laughable.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 9:42 AM

My grandfather was a State Coal mine inspector. I can tell you that mining fatalities per ton of coal produced have plummetted in the US over the last two generations. Not so much in China where the coal industry will have to move thanks to the administration’s war on coal.

KW64 on September 22, 2012 at 10:04 AM

The thing that i will never be able to understand.People in states like Pennsylvanian who will loose thousand of jobs and have their power bills triple still will vote for Obama .Can anyone tell me why this is?

logman1 on September 22, 2012 at 10:08 AM

The question was why coal states were falling into the Democratic column in recent polling, and I answered the question.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 10:04 AM

I’ll answer it differently. PA and OH are full of stupid impotent liberals with absolutely zero vision. I’d know, I’ve lived in both.

Slade73 on September 22, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Can anyone tell me why this is?

logman1 on September 22, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Philadelphia

Slade73 on September 22, 2012 at 10:10 AM

dforston on September 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM

THANKS !!
Had heard they’d do this, and the link has now been distributed throughout my entire social network !!
We’ll watch it after yard work. ;-)

pambi on September 22, 2012 at 10:13 AM

My grandfather was a State Coal mine inspector. I can tell you that mining fatalities per ton of coal produced have plummetted in the US over the last two generations. Not so much in China where the coal industry will have to move thanks to the administration’s war on coal.

KW64 on September 22, 2012 at 10:04 AM

They have indeed (I was looking at the stats earlier) thanks to the growth of union and Democratic power. And the inspectors do a great job. However, the penalties that can imposed for violations tend to be small and easily avoidable by companies who’ve decided it’s more profitable to violate the regs and pay the fines despite the risk to miners.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 10:14 AM

this is typical of libs

obsess over Union power and regulations to the point that you drive the industry out of business or overseas. Then blame a Republican.

Slade73 on September 22, 2012 at 10:16 AM

this is typical of libs

obsess over Union power and regulations to the point that you drive the industry out of business or overseas. Then blame a Republican.

Slade73 on September 22, 2012 at 10:16 AM

And the workers and residents of these areas are so ignorant that they believe Brian Williams et. al..

Rio Linda Refugee on September 22, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Rio Linda Refugee on September 22, 2012 at 10:21 AM

not all of them, but the people in the big cities and surrounding suburbs whom have nothing to do with the mining industry are all insufferable liberals. Too stupid to function. Thank Philadelphia and Cleveland.

Slade73 on September 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM

I ask the question why in Pennsylvania people were still going to vote for Obama and some of you said Philly.True thats part of it .But i have meet a lot of people in other parts of Penn. just regular folks who said even if they loose their jobs and their power bills go threw the roof will still vote democrat and for Obama.If this is true in the rest of the country this country is over and we might as well pack it up.

logman1 on September 22, 2012 at 10:31 AM

However, the penalties that can imposed for violations tend to be small and easily avoidable by companies who’ve decided it’s more profitable to violate the regs and pay the fines despite the risk to miners.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 10:14 AM

And yet, these assumed risks are still translating into fewer deaths. So which is it, that regulations make the mines safer or the ability of mine owners to ignore regulations makes them unsafe? You’re trying to have it both ways.

To say nothing of the twisted logic that suggests they imagine there’s a way to make more money on a coal mine when it’s collapsed, trapping both the coal and the people who are trying to get it out of the ground for you.

The Schaef on September 22, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Not trying to sound silly but i truly believe if a video came out showing Obama was a Muslim and a card carrying member of the Muslim Brotherhood .He would still carry states like Penn.,Michigan,New York,Calf. and possibly Ohio.After all the head of the teachers union in Chicago was a admitted Communist and yet he was still elected to represent the teachers.

logman1 on September 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM

I worked in the mines for twelve years…Know who the biggest contributor to the acid rain lobby was? The Burlington Northern Railroad. They owned thousands of acres of strip mine low sulfur coal in Montana and Wyoming. Of course it’s also much lower in BTU’s than mid west and eastern coal.

They pushed through the strictures that made higher sulfur coal unuseable then prevented the second phase of scrubber installations from being mandated which would have made mid western coal competitive again. They then sold their coal and charged a hefty fuel transport fee to ship it back east. This isn’t environmental.

It’s a scam to drive coal out of business by G.E. and others. Of course the consumer will pay through the nose for windmill electricity. But hey they’re stupid. And some of the union miners are stupid enough to vote for Obama.

bluesdoc70 on September 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM

So the coal workers in those states will be voting for food stamps.Good for them.

docflash on September 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Congress is a pile of sh*t. Lazy, arrogant, career politicians that are their own best argument for term limits. Curse them all for ruining OUR country. Abhorrent SOB’s, Boehner and McConnell are at the head of the line.

And you know what? Because they view themselves as invincible and smarter than us, they could give a rat’s ass about the unfavorable ratings of congress.

ultracon on September 22, 2012 at 11:02 AM

They have indeed (I was looking at the stats earlier) thanks to the growth of union and Democratic power. And the inspectors do a great job. However, the penalties that can imposed for violations tend to be small and easily avoidable by companies who’ve decided it’s more profitable to violate the regs and pay the fines despite the risk to miners.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Fines are not the biggest penalty for poor safety performance. Lawsuits, compensation costs, lost production and distraction from operation of the business all play a bigger disincentive. They can put a company out of business while a regulatory agency rarely wants fines to be so large that they will put the operation out of business. I also do not think Democratic politicians had much to do with safety performance. I think companies have wised up and quit looking at Safety Departments as a place to warehouse production management that couldn’t cut it on the plant floor until they could retire. Safety management is a serious profession these days and gets a lot more attention and resources because it pays off.

In a ten year period as a new Safety & Environment Manager in a 100 year old union organized plant,I dropped the worker’s compensation cost from 5 million dollars a year to 1 million and dropped the OSHA recordable rate from 25 to 5. I did not do that because of government regulations or brilliant ideas from local Pols. Government regulations can be a helpful tool in convincing both labor and management that they have to accept something they would rather not do but it is not the real driving force.

The problem I found with the regulation proliferation at both the Federal and State level in recent years was that the writers did not take enough time to really understand the industry and have been pursuing a political agenda rather than trying to solve specific problems. I along with a lot of other business professionals wound up spending time trying to keep really stupid ideas from becoming mandates that were counterproductive. The best thing OSHA ever did was the original adoption of consensus standards that came out of the industries themselves. They were proven, cost-effective and did not engender resentment.

KW64 on September 22, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Perhaps the party of science can tell us how much the worldwide CO2 has dropped due to reduced use of coal for energy in the US, while China, et al continue to increase CO2 output exponentially?

STL_Vet on September 22, 2012 at 11:13 AM

I live in PA, and the War on Coal has cost us jobs and our electricity bills are through the roof. Can’t charge the Volt is right – can’t afford to. Winter is coming, meaning utility bills are going through the roof. I don’t want to know what heating oil costs. A good amount of people here rely on it to heat their homes, especially in Eastern PA.

Unemployment in PA just jumped from 7.9 percent to 8.1 percent for all the wrong reasons (not because people entered the job market; it was job loss). Coal miners are being laid off in the hundreds in PA, WV, and Eastern Ohio. Aluminum plants globally are shutting down production because they can’t afford the cost of electricity based upon the per ton cost of ore production. One of those plants is in Eastern Ohio and the world’s largest producer of aluminum is based in Pittsburgh.

C’mon, Mitt: Give PA a chance. Spend some money on a TV buy. Skip the People’s Republic of Philadelphia. People in the suburbs there are voting for you, though. I hardly see ads for you. You have nice sons, but don’t send one – you need to be here and appear statewide.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/business/news/jobless-rate-in-pa-creeps-up-to-81-654311/

Philly on September 22, 2012 at 11:14 AM

violations tend to be small and easily avoidable by companies who’ve decided it’s more profitable to violate the regs and pay the fines despite the risk to miners.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Your phony compassion is showing. I bet you don’t work in the mine industry where you might do some good. You’re just like Liveinbondageordie on the public education issues. All talk no action.

The dims are no more for safety than the pubs. They pass laws, useful or not, that will keep them in power. Look at the CAFE standards. They will kill additional drivers because of all the small cars. I don’t hear you whining about the unsafe cars your Jedi master is imposing on the nation.

Hypocrite.

chemman on September 22, 2012 at 11:16 AM

How in Gods name did we arrive at this state of affairs in this country??Believe it or not we did it to ourselves.For years we have turned over the education of our children to a bunch of socialist/Communists.They are taught them there is no God ,gay marriage is the norm ,rich people suck and are a bunch of crooks and thieves and the government owes you everything.A job ,food ,housing,car,heath care,Internet service and if the debt get to big just tax the rich more and all will be well.Just this week we saw people standing in line for days to get the new I phone and i bet a lot of them have no job.Have a subsidize apartment ,food stamps,Internet service and children they do not support and still have money to buy a new I phone .I saw a video a few days ago of a women going into a McDonald’s wearing very short pink shorts drunk a I phone in hand screaming at the manager were are my **** ***** ***** 20 piece nuggets.The manager trying to calm he down telling her the order was coming giving her a free 10 piece to eat until her order was ready.She threw them back at him while screaming you **** **** MF you owe me my GD 20 piece nuggets.God save us from ourselves

logman1 on September 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM

And hyou’re seriously going to make the case that the GOP is pro-union are you? urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 9:42 AM

No, that would mean that I was pro union.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Shame it wasn’t successful.

Akzed on September 22, 2012 at 11:32 AM

…and force workers into unsafe mines.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Whew – now those miners and their families won’t have to worry at all. Just show them where to line up for the Union benefits, the unemployment benefits, food stamps. It’s all good.

Hill60 on September 22, 2012 at 11:39 AM

I worked in the mines for twelve years…Know who the biggest contributor to the acid rain lobby was? The Burlington Northern Railroad. They owned thousands of acres of strip mine low sulfur coal in Montana and Wyoming. Of course it’s also much lower in BTU’s than mid west and eastern coal.

They pushed through the strictures that made higher sulfur coal unuseable then prevented the second phase of scrubber installations from being mandated which would have made mid western coal competitive again. They then sold their coal and charged a hefty fuel transport fee to ship it back east. This isn’t environmental.

It’s a scam to drive coal out of business by G.E. and others. Of course the consumer will pay through the nose for windmill electricity. But hey they’re stupid. And some of the union miners are stupid enough to vote for Obama.

bluesdoc70 on September 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Very good post… Learn something new every day..

TheGarbone on September 22, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Jesus Christ. Urban defeatist opining on yet another topic it more than likely knows absolutely nothing about.

Why don’t you clowns learn to ignore it?

Lanceman on September 22, 2012 at 11:58 AM

whole issue needs more Parthian Shot, The Obamunists need to wear that 2008 campaign ‘bankrupt the coal industry / necessarily skyrocket’ video. It ought to be in heavy TV rotation in every coal-producing state. Hell it ought to be put on a DVD and direct-mailed to every coalminer.

rayra on September 22, 2012 at 12:10 PM

it would be the most effective per dollar vote-getter out there.

rayra on September 22, 2012 at 12:11 PM

They have indeed (I was looking at the stats earlier) thanks to the growth of union and Democratic power. And the inspectors do a great job. However, the penalties that can imposed for violations tend to be small and easily avoidable by companies who’ve decided it’s more profitable to violate the regs and pay the fines despite the risk to miners.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 10:14 AM

MSHA itself was based on regulations instituted by mining companies themselves in western states who had already started the mine inspector’s offices on a state by state basis in the late 1800s, this not an example of “Democratic power”.

A company today would be insane to force “unsafe” practices and risk as a price of doing business. Their EMR rating would skyrocket and insurance would become generally unavailable for the entire enterprise.

Strictures have gotten better as a way to improve efficiencies and safety in lockstep. Ever heard of “Browz”? that program is driven by real concerns for safety, not by regulations. I’ve seen responsible people get demoted and even fired over “near miss” incidents, which is far more effective than fines and regulations, getting people out of positions they cannot handle and replacing them with folks who can is a much better way to improve factors on the ground. Your hero’s methods just get rid of everyone and entire sectors of national wealth producing endeavors. Which is his goal anyway.

The characterization of mining that you use is entirely antiquated. Go back to thinking about that latte you’d like at lunch today, it’s what you know best.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on September 22, 2012 at 12:21 PM

But hey they’re stupid. And some of the union miners are stupid enough to vote for Obama.

bluesdoc70 on September 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Cause – effect….

Even so called “smart” people can be pretty stupid.

The democratic party is held together by a criminal cabal that is no less lethal
than the drug lords.

Until that iron grip of crony criminals is broken we will never have a “republic”.

And that is what a vote for ANY democrat is – a vote for criminals who care more
about holding on and growing their power than they do for “the voters”……

redguy on September 22, 2012 at 12:28 PM

The last Coal thread got me going last night. For the most part, I don’t like the government picking winners and losers.

A liberal straightened me out.

First, working people know that the Democratic party has their best interests at heart. This goes back for generations.

Second, I was a fool for buying coal mine stock.Investors make too much as it is.

And the best, the Volt and the other electric cars and clean energy will pay huge dividends in the future. When the whole economy is conspiring agains them, it is difficult but the POTUS is fighting hard.

IlikedAUH2O on September 22, 2012 at 12:29 PM

I nominate that coal miner’s face for Mt. Rushmore.

:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on September 22, 2012 at 12:36 PM

. The question was why coal states were falling into the Democratic column in recent polling, and I answered the question.

urban elitist on September 22, 2012 at 10:04 AM

…squirrel!

KOOLAID2 on September 22, 2012 at 1:04 PM

dforston on September 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM

“Obama’s America, 2016″ has been pulled off of YT due to a copyright claim by Lionsgate (says YT).
I watched it at 10:30 AM CST and now it is gone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tDY6v8KdSYs

jffree1 on September 22, 2012 at 2:38 PM

It’s a scam to drive coal out of business by G.E. and others. Of course the consumer will pay through the nose for windmill electricity. But hey they’re stupid. And some of the union miners are stupid enough to vote for Obama.

bluesdoc70 on September 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM

As usual, just follow the money.

Good post.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 22, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on September 22, 2012 at 12:21 PM

You are, apparently, the man.

Akzed on September 22, 2012 at 6:48 PM

The full movie 2016 Obamas America is on Youtube…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tDY6v8KdSYs

dforston on September 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM

This video has been removed by the user.

timberline on September 22, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Odumba epic 2016 not on UTube, just a lot of geek. Where did it go??

AReadyRepub on September 22, 2012 at 11:09 PM

It all comes down to economics.
Coal is the winner in ANY analysis, period. NO if’s and’s or butt’s.
If you believe wind and solar are capable of supplying ‘base power’ you are too stupid to educate on matters dealing with anything from economic analysis to thermodynamics.
Nuclear can hold it’s own if it is allowed to enter the economic equation fairly. But there are too many ignorant agitators firmly against nuclear power. But it WILL rise again in the future.

The Sun is the source of ALL power on thishere planet we live on.
Coal, oil, NG, carbohydrates, you name it. It ALL orginates from the Sun. If you don’t understand this simple relationship you will not comprehend the following. All of the carbon based fuels on or in the planet were either hear from the beginning OR they were transformed from carbohydrates into the high density fuel systems we’ve used for millineia. And COAL is King. All this crap about CO2 being a ‘polutant’ is beyond stupid. All the friggin’ carbohydrates from plants and such were once cycled through the atmosphere or else WHERE DID IT COME FROM?
Sometime System Engineering analysis must consider VERY large and very OLD SYSTEMS.

Missilengr on September 24, 2012 at 2:08 AM

I have a more elegant explanation but I’m tired. To bed now.
Sorry: SometimeS System Engineering ….
Grammar like math is hard … sometimes … if you need sleep.

Missilengr on September 24, 2012 at 2:11 AM